Epic talisman - no timer - Screenshot

[Rizem]

Thought this might help a few people. It's the result of -

purple scarab
dormant essence
purple fragment i MS'd myself from a purple item
vendor bought container
vendor bought golden essence

Feel free to organise to see it for verification.

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=image&file=epic_tali.JPG

[Trollbane]

Thought this might help a few people. It's the result of -

purple scarab
dormant essence
purple fragment i MS'd myself from a purple item
vendor bought container
vendor bought golden essence

Feel free to organise to see it for verification.

http://8.3.233.228/dl/03660598a9de5730ad917db15ebf8a1a/48d42ef0/files15/image/epic_tali.JPG

Link's down for me.

[kr0xx]

...and for me.

[Rizem]

Edited it, i guess they don't allow direct linking.

There's another identical tali on the AH on my server right now btw.

so confirmed -

white - 8 hours
green - 2 days
blue - 5 days
purple - perma

I guess there's a big jump between blue and purple, i would rather see blue up at 10 days or so.

[Kryopsis]

Interesting! Thank you for sharing, this will go a long way to redeem Talisman Making in my eyes. :0)

[raykor]

So the curio is the key element to making talismans permanent?

I found a purple curio that only requires level 1 talisman making. My skill is still pretty low so any talismans I can make now are pretty craptastic. I don't want to waste this purple talisman to make a silly +2 permanent talisman that is nearly useless.

And so my question. Can I save this level 1 purple curio and use it much later when my talisman making skill is higher? Put another way, does the level of the purple curio have any effect on the resulting talisman?

[DunRaven]

Another question -

Does anyone know if there are BOP components for Talisman-making (if anyone knows if there's any for Apothacary too, might be useful to know for later)

Just wondering whether my main talisman-Maker should take Scavenging or Salvaging and the crucial factor would be whether either of those gathering professions found BOP-only parts for a certain profession..

Maybe WAR doesn't use such ?

[Rizem]

Only bop factor is the quest rewards and items you've already worn that you can MS yourself but can't send to an alt to do it.

[Ilmoran]

So the curio is the key element to making talismans permanent?

I found a purple curio that only requires level 1 talisman making. My skill is still pretty low so any talismans I can make now are pretty craptastic. I don't want to waste this purple talisman to make a silly +2 permanent talisman that is nearly useless.

And so my question. Can I save this level 1 purple curio and use it much later when my talisman making skill is higher? Put another way, does the level of the purple curio have any effect on the resulting talisman?

Curio is NOT the key element to permanent talismans. The fragment is. Curio and Gold essence increase the power rating of the talisman, giving it a better effect. The fragment determines the possible rarity of the talisman.

When salvaging, the fragment returned is normally one rarity lower than the item salvaged (probably why you can't salvage whites). Rarely, it will be the same rarity.
When making a talisman, the talisman is normally the rarity of the fragment used. Rarely, it will be one rarity higher.

So there are 4 paths to getting a purple talisman:
Lucky salvage on a purple, normal talisman result.
Normal salvage on a purple, lucky talisman result.
Lucky salvage on a blue, lucky talisman result.
Lucky salve on a purple, lucky talisman result (not sure what this would actually do. Maybe a mythic grade talisman :confused:)

[barqer]

Curio is NOT the key element to permanent talismans. The fragment is. Curio and Gold essence increase the power rating of the talisman, giving it a better effect. The fragment determines the possible rarity of the talisman.

When salvaging, the fragment returned is normally one rarity lower than the item salvaged (probably why you can't salvage whites). Rarely, it will be the same rarity.
When making a talisman, the talisman is normally the rarity of the fragment used. Rarely, it will be one rarity higher.

So there are 4 paths to getting a purple talisman:
Lucky salvage on a purple, normal talisman result.
Normal salvage on a purple, lucky talisman result.
Lucky salvage on a blue, lucky talisman result.
Lucky salve on a purple, lucky talisman result (not sure what this would actually do. Maybe a mythic grade talisman :confused:)

Meh, you are so wrong. I personally salvaged a blue weapon today, and got a blue fragment. I also created a perma talisman using only a purple curio and the rest was a white fragment and vendor purchased box, gold essence, and Silent Essence. It was a +7 willpower talisman.

[PImpslapper]

It seems nobody has a fookin' clue yet as to how exactly this works. It is all just speculation at this point.

[Spiffytastic]

This is all that is difinitively known...

Talisman-Making ingredients have 'power'. The higher the skill-level requirement and rarity, the higher the power. The final properties of a crafted Talisman depend on the total power of all ingredients used to make it.

The rarity of the Fragment used determines the rarity of the crafted Talisman. There is a small chance that whenever a Talisman is crafted it will be one rarity higher than expected.

[Bait]

I just got a +2 Toughness Talisman with no timer. I think it may have something to do with the curio.. since I created like 8 talismans with no curio (I didn't have one handy)... the talisman is weaker... but permanent.

[Rizem]

Barger "meh" he is not so wrong, he what he wrote is exactly my experience, so you're going to have to convince some more before concensus changes.

Everyone, information is king, please try to include as much as you can, full details of the tali color/stats etc, full details of ingredients.

Are these crappy perma's reported all purple?

Based on what i'm 90+% sure so far, if anyone has achieved a perma or purple talisman with anything other than a blue or epic fragment then my current theories are wrong.

[Lantash]

My best so far has been a perma +14 str Talisman.

I used:

Blue +Str Fragment
Skill 25 White txt Leaden Gold core
Everliving Eye Lvl 50 purple Curio
and Whatever the 50 skill Essence

Also think theres a "Crit" chance for Talismans, as ive used just store bought garbage and a white fragment and gotten 5 day talismans.

[Dilbon]

I made a purple +12 wounds talisman. I used a blue lvl 25 fragment, blue lvl 25 essence, AH bought blue lvl 25 curio and store bought lvl 1 gold essence and container.

[Bait]

Barger "meh" he is not so wrong, he what he wrote is exactly my experience, so you're going to have to convince some more before concensus changes.

Everyone, information is king, please try to include as much as you can, full details of the tali color/stats etc, full details of ingredients.

Are these crappy perma's reported all purple?

Based on what i'm 90+% sure so far, if anyone has achieved a perma or purple talisman with anything other than a blue or epic fragment then my current theories are wrong.

My crappy perma was white, requires level 9, +2 toughness no duration.

This was using all base-level mats (Vendor container, Golden Core, Whispering Essence... no curio).

[Ginnel]

Sure it wasn't a quest reward instead?
I've seen a perma +2 quest reward talisman, but when I've made stuff myself

blue is +8 and 5days

green is +4 and forgot the time think its 2days. (might update when I get back from work)

white is +2 and 8 hours

[Maxham]

I have also made the purple +10 wounds tailsman. Now I got to thinking this while reading... Since everything else I made in the past would of decayed, and now i made one that didnt... is there a way to remove said tailsmans from the armor?

[Rizem]

You can't reuse talismans, once it's in it's in.

Ok so we *may* have some crappy perma talismans crafted but i guess we need more confirmed reports to be sure

Sounds like talisman colour is defo determined by the fragment, standard result is the same colour but you can crit to one colour higher.

Curio's and gold essence we're still unsure of, certainly they effect the strength in terms of the numbers. Maybe one does strength one does crit chance? maybe both do both? maybe they both do strength and crit is random. Who knows.

[EmoTears]

This might already be noted, but thought I would give more details since I didn't really spot this anywhere.

Well I read the topic and thought since I had to do some talismans (29 of them) so I thought i would experiment a little. I didn't have a good supply of gold essences and only had magic essences (level 1) from salvaging so really only tested the curio's part of the talisman making process.

Using:
Battered Relic Box (store lvl 1 W)
Murky Golden Core (store lvl 1 W)
Silent Essence (salvage lvl 1 B)
Venomous Lavender Frost (salvage lvl 1 W)

Experimented with:
Mojo Coin (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=907501) (scavenge lvl 1 W)
Gold Skeleton Key (scavenge lvl 1 G)
Family Signet (scavenge lvl 1 P)
Rabbit's Foot (scavenge lvl 25 W)
Thrown Horseshoe (scavenge lvl 25 G)
Auspicious Scarab (scavenge lvl 25 P)

Test:
Did 6 tests on each combo with the curio's listed. Used the same color's of two different skill levels, 1 and 25, 4 times each. 24 tests done in all.

Results:
Using the level 1 curios, all three, resulted in the same results. A feeble +2 int talisman.
Using the level 25 curios, all three, resulted in the same results. A weak +3 int talisman.

Conclusion:
The color of the curio doesn't seem to affect the final product, But is possible might affect the pass or fail of the production. None of mine failed in the process so i can not conclude on that part.
The level of the curio does affect the final product by adding a extra + counters to the product. For the INT fragment it would only +1 for using a 25 skill level curio.
So using higher skill level curios will increase the power of the product. (ex. Feeble to Weak)

Now if anyone wants to test this with the other two, gold and magic, I would like to see the results from them. Then we can see what each section does with complete proof instead of guessing.

[Videa]

got a +12 life purple talisman too with a lv50 rare fragment, lv 50 rare curio, vendor bag and lv 50 essence

[Krynor]

Has anyone found a container besides the vendor ones?

[Tromm]

I think it may value people to look at the DAOC crafting system a bit.

An item could have varying degrees of quality, and I imagine this is the case in WAR also.

[Rizem]

Correct there is a random element, i made a bunch of whites with exactly the same materials and got ad end result of both +4 and +5.

I also made a bunch with various different green lvl 100 containers and exactly the same other mats and had results of +8 and +9

[RDMorpheus]

As I close in on 100 Talismaning, I can confirm that using the lv 1 curio/gold essence can affect your talismaning.

For instance - use a Lv 75 Fragment with a Murmering Essence (75). Then put in curio/Essence. You will make an "inferior" talisman. However, chance the curio to even a green drop and that goes up to "lesser".

However, you still get a roll which is influsenced by the essence/curio you use. Since cultivating is such a terribad tradeskill the amount of green+ essences are basically nonexistant. Plenty of Apothacarys to make them, but no goldleaf.

Sometimes an inferior can turn out to be weak or lesser. Sometimes a lesser can be inferior or one step higher (never happened to me).

My personal best in all this skilling was a +12 Wounds Talisman (5d) and a +10 int Talisman (5d)

[PNasty]

This might be a noobish question but here goes, If you equip a talisman to an armor for example is it permanently linked to that armor or can you take it off the armor and re-equip it to a different armor?

[Rizem]

you can't take them out once they're in, but you can put another one in it's place (destroying it in the process).

it's the same rules as gems for the wow players.

[Ralith]

Correct there is a random element, i made a bunch of whites with exactly the same materials and got ad end result of both +4 and +5.

I also made a bunch with various different green lvl 100 containers and exactly the same other mats and had results of +8 and +9

Where did you get level 100 containers?

[Makreth]

Prolly PQ bag reward, same as you get apo vials for lvl 100 apo
Tough thats just a wild guess...

Anyway, how the heck is it possible for you to level up TM without having salvaging?
I have scaveging at around 75 now and I find, bleu, purple and green items most of the time... but I can't use them because I don't have a fragment...
I'm rank 7 with no other chars higher than 8 (altaholic...:rolleyes: wanna try everything before I deside what I'm going to lvl up) so I can't afford buying fragments on auction...

I've had apo and cult on my other chars, cult is pretty funny, dont do sh*t besides every 3 minutes putting a new seed in it and continue questing, RVR or whatever you wanna do... and apo goes fairly easy... just buy same reagents (as for low lvl apo) and repeat the bubbling process ;)

Now my question is...
Should I respec Scavaging for Salvaging? now I'm still low rank it's not that hard to level it up...

[PekkaR]

Now my question is...
Should I respec Scavaging for Salvaging? now I'm still low rank it's not that hard to level it up...

Yes, but you don't have to do it now.

If you save the salvageable loot, you can do it at a later date and still end up having to buy the same amount of renown gear for the rest of the skill ups. Meanwhile you can scavenge some curios. :p

[Makreth]

You say
"and still end up having to buy the same amount of renown gear for the rest of the skill ups."

I don't understand the link between TM and renown gear, could you explain this? :rolleyes:

[Infares]

You say
"and still end up having to buy the same amount of renown gear for the rest of the skill ups."

I don't understand the link between TM and renown gear, could you explain this? :rolleyes:
You buy green quality Renown gear and salvage it for fragments.

[Rizem]

Sorry slip up in my last post, i meant 100 fragments ofc

remember, there are no level 2+ containers *waves hand*

[PekkaR]

You say
"and still end up having to buy the same amount of renown gear for the rest of the skill ups."

I don't understand the link between TM and renown gear, could you explain this? :rolleyes:

Infares already answered this, hehe. One person doesn't get enough salvageable drops that give fragments to skill up Talisman Making.

In related news, I'm currently waiting to get couple more renown ranks so I can buy higher renown gear (way above my rank) and boom it.

[creasian]

I made one as well. +16 wounds purple talisman.

Used a purple fragment and curio. Felt happy with the result. Purple frag was salvaged from a blue lvl 30 rune priest weapon.

[Nataska]

might be a stupid question and totally in the wrong section but where the hell is the AH in this game ?

capital city?

[DLAzerus]

1. There are no other containers past level 1. This profession isn't very well fleshed out yet.

2. Each item has a power rating. the higher your total rating, the higher the + and the higher the crit chance.

3. There are multiple types of crits. The three I've gotten are: You've made something better (Usually either a larger + or a rarity increase). You've made something awesome (larger stat + and a rarity increase). You've made something amazing (much larger stat + and an up to two quality increase. I've seen a white become a blue, but never a green become an epic.)

4. If you are trying to level, make sure that three of the four materials are the highest level you can make (usually your gold core will be the lower mat.) The higher level all your ingredients are, the higher the chance of leveling.

5. When using an blue or epic fragment, don't waste them by using lower quality ingredients. Use the highest level/best ingredients you can, because these are usually always level (unless they are 50 levels behind you) and you want the best possible permanent talisman. 16 wounds or 14 of another stat is my personal best.

6. Oh and the fragment rarity thing. The quality of fragments you get is directly related to the quality of the item you salvage and the level of your skill. If you can just barely salvage the item you will be lucky if you get a fragment at all, whereas if it is many levels below you, you will get a fragment every time and usually a green one. Greens give white/green frags with blues as crits. Blues give greens/blues (mostly blues) with purple crits. Purples give blues/purples with higher rank crits (i.e. a crit on an item that would normally give a rank 100 purple fragment will give a rank 150 purple fragment.