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Maderas
09-21-2008, 02:29 PM
Seriously. Right now I'm level 16 and can't salvage any of the greens I get (or even the level 14 greens I'm replacing...) because salvage fails nine times out of ten. Thus far I've yet to find a vendor with salvageable renown gear as people here are saying to do.

At any rate, low level salvagers shouldn't be forced to spend a ton of money buying greens on the AH/vendors just because of an over the top fail rate. 50% I would understand. It's still a bit harsh seeing as we seemingly get NO skill ups at all for failure, but understandable. As it is now? No way.

Lios
09-21-2008, 03:29 PM
I also am having this problem at rank 14 in troll country. I fail on most of the greens I get.

rilke
09-22-2008, 09:11 AM
I bought uncommon axes for 13.5 silver from the RR vendor in Chaos chapter 3. Expensive but in 20 salvaging attempts, I was able to get 12 points. If you have the gold, I suggest doing this before its too late.

MattRiddle
09-24-2008, 09:19 PM
failing? how do you fail. I've never failed on salvaging something. Now, I haven't gotten a fragment on every one, actually it's been probably 2 in 10, but i've never gotten nothing and gotten the 'failed' prompt.

EToaster
09-24-2008, 11:17 PM
failing? how do you fail. I've never failed on salvaging something. Now, I haven't gotten a fragment on every one, actually it's been probably 2 in 10, but i've never gotten nothing and gotten the 'failed' prompt.

It says your attempt failed, gives you a few echos, and doesn't give a skill-up.

Samcharles
09-26-2008, 09:24 AM
I bought uncommon axes for 13.5 silver from the RR vendor in Chaos chapter 3. Expensive but in 20 salvaging attempts, I was able to get 12 points. If you have the gold, I suggest doing this before its too late.
Another way is to buy low level gear off the auction house for salvaging. Hold out for the low prices if you can.

greatpumpkin
09-27-2008, 07:35 PM
I'm rank 15 with Salvaging stuck at 25... Basically everything I try to salvage results in a failure, so I stopped trying and just bank everything until they fix this.

ginobili
09-27-2008, 08:02 PM
I'm making so much money from running scenario that I easily brought my TM/Salage to 150/150 from buying renown gear.

If you having problem with it just wait till your in tier3. You'll be making too much money.

Armstrong
09-29-2008, 04:07 PM
If you did not get a fragment, then technically your salvaging failed. You'll still get some echoes and such.

(I'm not including the "Your skill is not high enough to salvage this item" results. This is not a failure, it's the game telling you that you cannot even try yet.)

Samcharles
09-30-2008, 12:11 PM
Right around 30 salvaging, (might be a little higher), I noticed a dramatic drop in failures rates salvaging lower level gear. Just about everything I was salvaging started giving me fragments.

WhiteZombie
10-02-2008, 08:05 AM
just because that increment of 30 salvaging skill allowed you to salvage higher level items, doesnt mean you always should. find the lowest level of item that will gain you skillups on a successful salvage and buy up/farm them. salvaging things that are slightly lower level than what you are able to not only still gives you skillups, but yields pretty much 100% success AND more whispers/echoes per green.

Kittimm
10-02-2008, 09:24 PM
The fail rate is indeed ridiculous.
My salvaging is at around 160 now and my god has it been a painful ride. Most of the time a level 16 (for example) item will give a near 100% success rate but a point maybe 5% of the time. Or a level 17 item will give a 50% success rate and a point 10% of the time.

So I can either get a point every 20 items and some decent components.
Or a point every 10 items and far fewer components.

That's actually a little harsher than reality but it isn't far off. Just how many greens do Mythic think I get every level? Not that bloody many. I've repeatedly bankrupted myself buying renown items to keep salvaging up to an item level equal to my rank.

Admittedly I've never had the best luck but it's getting a little tiring.

armchairbarbarian
10-06-2008, 08:38 AM
Failure rate is ridiculous.

Signed. Until they fix this, salvaging is basically throwing away money.

Stravanov
10-06-2008, 08:45 AM
You need to level up your salvaging by salvaging items of the appropriate level.

I failed maybe one in ten times when I levelled up my salvaging, because I saved my higher level items for when my salvaging skill was higher.

Nothing is broken about salvaging.

Gatsbury
10-06-2008, 10:54 AM
You need to level up your salvaging by salvaging items of the appropriate level.

I failed maybe one in ten times when I levelled up my salvaging, because I saved my higher level items for when my salvaging skill was higher.

Nothing is broken about salvaging.


Salvaging IS broken, but not because of high failure rates.

The broken part about salvaging is that there is a strict level requirement system for salvaging items, but there is currently no way to discern what items are of what difficulty to salvage, compared to what level you are at.

There needs to be a mouse-over tooltip for when you click over something that you are going to salvage that gives at least a broad suggested level.

Such as:

Item Requires: Rank 11
Requires Level 10 Renown
Suggested Salvaging Skill: 50


..or something to that end. Currently, the incredibly high fail rates are a result of people attempting to Salvage items that would suggest you be level 50 skilled, while being level 30 skilled.

At the moment, a good rule of thumb is to only salvage items that are either below your rank, or guess your Salvaging skill against what you think the Salvaging requirement might be. For example, if you just started Salvaging at Rank 40 and go buy some Rank 40 renown gear, it's probably not a good idea to try and Salvage it, since your level isn't high enough.

deniska
10-07-2008, 09:49 AM
This is completely and utterly retarded. I have 135+ salvaging and I was salvaging lvl 23 items. My skill is so much higher for that, I don't even get skill ups. After salvaging like 7 green items I fail on a blue. Jesus this must be the most retarded crafting profession ever in the history of MMOs.

LawLessOne
10-07-2008, 10:04 AM
I have noticed that blues and purples are harder to salvage.

Samcharles
10-07-2008, 01:38 PM
I have noticed that blues and purples are harder to salvage.

I believe you may be correct I always seem to have a harder time salvaging blue items than green of the same level. You probably get better salvaged items from blues and purples than greens, which could explain why they are harder to salvage.

Gatsbury
10-07-2008, 03:23 PM
I believe you may be correct I always seem to have a harder time salvaging blue items than green of the same level. You probably get better salvaged items from blues and purples than greens, which could explain why they are harder to salvage.

The higher quality materials should be offset by the fact that obtaining blues and purples is more difficult than obtaining greens in the first place, not by a high failure rate.

TikiDad
10-08-2008, 08:07 AM
The higher quality materials should be offset by the fact that obtaining blues and purples is more difficult than obtaining greens in the first place, not by a high failure rate.

I see your point but I can also see the point Samcharles is trying to make...

It is undeniable that, as you say, the rare and epic itmes are much more difficult to find. But as Samcharles mentioned the items themselves have better fragments to be gotten, just acquiring the gear is difficult, or expensive, but at that point if you want to get the creamy filling inside why should it be any easier than anything else? Maybe the guy (at Mythic) who made that gear spent so much time on making it well that you can potentially destroy it by trying to get the usable fragments out.

Flylighter
10-09-2008, 12:29 AM
Let's say one in every 10 greens I find is a blue instead (it's a much lower chance than that, in reality). I find it harder to salvage blues, too... maybe one in two tries. And I find that MAYBE one in 25 fragments is a critical salvage, so unless I salvage wounds,

1/10 x 1/2 x 1/25 = (conservative) 1/500 chance of getting a blue shard off a given salvagable item. Unless you salvage wounds, that's saying there's maybe a one in 50 chance of a blue item yielding a blue shard.

You are so much better off just auctioning the item. That's STUNNINGLY unworth it.