Why Knights of the Blazing sun?

[Ironrook]

So why, out of all the knightly orders of the Empire...

Why the Order of the Blazing Sun?

I'll definetly roll a knight. Might wind up being my main, but why did the devolopers at Mythic choose them of all the Orders? I've got nothing against The Blazing sun, but why not Reiksgaurd, Broken Sword or any of the other orders (It would be badass to play a Knight of Moor imo)

[Krulltak]

Well first of all, they chose only one to avoid genercy, as well as to keep it unique.

Can't say much more than that, because I do not know Mythic's intentions.

However, I know I won't be playing one. Only thing Imperial I would ever play is a Knight of Morr or a Warrior Priest of Ulric.

[Bloosquig]

Knigts of the Blazing Sun and Bright Wizards are pyros.

Witchhunters burn people at the stake.

And Warrior-priests burn with religious fervor.

The Empire are all flame crazy psychos thus tying them together on the battlefield. ;)

Thats my two teef.

[Krulltak]

Knigts of the Blazing Sun and Bright Wizards are pyros.

Witchhunters burn people at the stake.

And Warrior-priests burn with religious fervor.

The Empire are all flame crazy psychos thus tying them together on the battlefield. ;)

Thats my two teef.


Uhhhhhh, well Knights of the Blazing sun have nothing to do with pyromaniacy.

[Sickpup]

Wouldn't greatswords have been better,graphically at least.The knight of BS looks like karmen Maranda in armor.

[Krulltak]

Wouldn't greatswords have been better,graphically at least.The knight of BS looks like karmen Maranda in armor.


Greatswords are just soldiers, and thus would not allow for much freedom in an MMO.

[MacMerritt]

I would like to have seen them make a basic knight class and let people choose a specialization once they reached say 3rd or 4th Tier. Let them go Blazing Sun, White Wolfs, Rieksguard, etc. Maybe just 3 choices; offensive, defensive, and balanced.

The empire is fairly bland and I would have like to see them add in a bit of flavor by allowing people to somewhat steer themselves towards the various Orders.

[Vikingkingq]

I'll repost this argument I made in another thread:

I think it makes sense this way. Check out this quote from the Nordland description:

"The situation is dire and the Emperor knows that without help, Nordland will soon fall and the enemy will have a clear path to the very heart of the Empire. In a council with his chief advisors, Karl Franz devises the Order of the Griffon, an elite military force answerable only to the Emperor himself, with an authority that supersedes that of the Elector Counts and their provincial generals. Freed from these bureaucratic constraints, the Order will take swift action to unify all defensive measures being engineered in the north.

Soon afterward, emissaries from the Order of the Griffon pour into Nordland with a stern mandate: train and arm those willing to defend the Empire, and compel those who would turn tail and flee to join the fight, by any means necessary."

The way I see it, the Order of the Griffon is trying to pull troops into the North while the Empire is badly overstretched and still in the process of mobilizing for the war effort. Hence, they hire a mobile, mercenary order of knights because they are easy to mobilize and because they are unlikely to challenge the Order of the Griffon's command of the theater in the way that more established orders would.

[Noesis]

I'll repost this argument I made in another thread:

I think it makes sense this way. Check out this quote from the Nordland description:

"The situation is dire and the Emperor knows that without help, Nordland will soon fall and the enemy will have a clear path to the very heart of the Empire. In a council with his chief advisors, Karl Franz devises the Order of the Griffon, an elite military force answerable only to the Emperor himself, with an authority that supersedes that of the Elector Counts and their provincial generals. Freed from these bureaucratic constraints, the Order will take swift action to unify all defensive measures being engineered in the north.

Soon afterward, emissaries from the Order of the Griffon pour into Nordland with a stern mandate: train and arm those willing to defend the Empire, and compel those who would turn tail and flee to join the fight, by any means necessary."

The way I see it, the Order of the Griffon is trying to pull troops into the North while the Empire is badly overstretched and still in the process of mobilizing for the war effort. Hence, they hire a mobile, mercenary order of knights because they are easy to mobilize and because they are unlikely to challenge the Order of the Griffon's command of the theater in the way that more established orders would.

You win an award for creativity.

[gorgoth]

I don't have as creative of an answer, but i think they added the blazing sun order because they are the ones you hear the most about in imperial lore. This might be totally untrue though so sorry in advance just in case.

[Heno]

The reason it makes sense for me to be Knights of the Blazing Sun is they're the only Order that tend to go out into the world on thier own, and they use a "Any means fits the ends" method to problems. this both explains why you're running around without your order and why you'd group with Bright Wizard, Witch Hunters and Warrior Priests.

[Durolein]

Oh my god, look at their armour and crap, don't tell me that it doesn't look awesome! The KotBS isn't "stationary" unlike the Reiksguard and other orders nor are they as "mainstream" as for example the Reiksguard. And on the Kights of Morr.. Uhm... I think it's pretty selfexplanatory why they weren't chosen.

[Evander]

So why, out of all the knightly orders of the Empire...
Why the Order of the Blazing Sun?
I'll definetly roll a knight. Might wind up being my main, but why did the devolopers at Mythic choose them of all the Orders? I've got nothing against The Blazing sun, but why not Reiksgaurd, Broken Sword or any of the other orders (It would be badass to play a Knight of Moor imo)

To answer your questions:

Mythic is designing armor sets per class and their intention is that when you reach T4 people can look at your character from the distance and say: "Look it's a <Insert Class>"
Each and every knightly order in the Empire has their own unique look. This would mean that Mythic'd be developing tons of sets for T4 for each knightly order if this was a available option. That is just plain dificult.
So they had to choose one specific order to make a set of. And their oppinion was that Knights of the Blazing sun was the most interesting (/fun?) order to create the tier art for. Plus they do not worship Sigmar, I somehow think this has a play in the final concept as well.

That's about all we know :)

[Amelung]

The reason it makes sense for me to be Knights of the Blazing Sun is they're the only Order that tend to go out into the world on thier own, and they use a "Any means fits the ends" method to problems. this both explains why you're running around without your order and why you'd group with Bright Wizard, Witch Hunters and Warrior Priests.
I think also, its a reason and finally a good choice.
Before the decision was made, i thought we could play a knight of perhaps possible 6-7 orders :) for chosing, but we have only one. So first i thought, Reiksguard would be best, because they are the 'common' knights for warhammer empire. But meanwhile the 'Sunknights' are ok for me. They are knights, and thats most important ;)
Anyway i hope really we will have in future real classes for warhammer online, not only one possible example of four classes. A 'knight of the blazing sun' is absolutely no class, he is one small part of the class 'knights' of the empire.
But if he will be playable like a knight then its absolutely ok. I never played a fanatsyMMOG knights were playable as knights, never charge mounted with lances through enemylines, never storming against walls of enemies like knights would do.
Its in common fanatsygames not possible and so only bad designed.

[Flegler]

Anyway i hope really we will have in future real classes for warhammer online, not only one possible example of four classes. A 'knight of the blazing sun' is absolutely no class, he is one small part of the class 'knights' of the empire.

Well spoken, that man.

This has been bothering me since it was announced, to the extent that I had to be shouted into submission in more than one thread. But it hasn't stopped being a stupid idea! Picking a single order of knights as one of only four playable classes is ridiculous, and presents a very skewed view of the Empire.

Look, you silly designer-people! A 15th century German knight will be a unique and distinctive class no matter what! Why stick suns all over his armour? Why dictate what god he must worship.

Ditch the Knight of the Blazing Sun. Bring on the Free Lance, the Templar or the Hedge Knight.

[Flegler]

I would like to have seen them make a basic knight class and let people choose a specialization once they reached say 3rd or 4th Tier. Let them go Blazing Sun, White Wolfs, Rieksguard, etc. Maybe just 3 choices; offensive, defensive, and balanced.

The empire is fairly bland and I would have like to see them add in a bit of flavor by allowing people to somewhat steer themselves towards the various Orders.
I like this idea a lot, though it may require more work than they're willing to put in on a single class.

Boo on the empire-is-bland comment though. Just because we're not all showy like those Chaos posers doesn't mean we haven't got style.

[Gallas]

This is how I undertand it... I could be immesnsly wrong though, please dont hesitate to correct me ;)
Well... the conflict is Chaos VS Empire (North VS South) so this obviously means it will be set in the Northern provinces of the Empire. The Knighs of the Blazing Sun are based in the North, like Nordlnd or Ostermark (As far as I know) so they will be greatly involved in the fighting. You wouldn't get Knights from other areas fighting there, because quite simply they aren't stationed there... although having said that, I suppose they would come North to defend their lands from the Chaos threat... but the primary order would still be the Blazing Sun.

[Amelung]

Well spoken, that man.

This has been bothering me since it was announced, to the extent that I had to be shouted into submission in more than one thread. But it hasn't stopped being a stupid idea! Picking a single order of knights as one of only four playable classes is ridiculous, and presents a very skewed view of the Empire.

Look, you silly designer-people! A 15th century German knight will be a unique and distinctive class no matter what! Why stick suns all over his armour? Why dictate what god he must worship.

Ditch the Knight of the Blazing Sun. Bring on the Free Lance, the Templar or the Hedge Knight.
Hi, Flegler, it seems you think very close to me ;).
As an example for 'knights' (ok here jousting with lances) i will try to put a link of those fine fotographs. The winner of that tournament last year was Toby Capwell, he is meanwhile curator of arms and armour in the really famous wallace collection in London. Everyone interested in armour must know this collection :). So he is an expert for scientific research and perhaps one of the the 'best' active tournament-knights today :)
Important to know, most knights presented here, also jousting have normal warfare equipment of second half 15ct. Only Fred Piraux is equipped with a jousting helmet (in german 'Stechhelm') special made for jousting. All others have wargear. Also Toby.
So thats historical not absolutely correct because in late 15ct jousting equipment was really in many parts of the armour different to warfare armour ( heavier)
But anyway similar lancefight would be great also for warhammerknights. And also very similar in equipment all knights looking different. I have my own heat-hardened gothic armour, and also everyone recognize, 'ah german late gothic' its something unique (only fitting me), decorations surely similar to others, but not equal, also a copy of an old original.

But here the link for the tournament, also no video :( the fotos are surely entertaining everyone intersted in 'gothic' knights. Its not show what they are making its real jousting with winners and loosers.

http://flickr.com/photos/jonathanhodd/sets/72157594256848681/

[Leodestan of Tilea]

I think it is interesting to have a class with a name like this. It will give the class something unique I am sure. Plus, the name sounds so fun in my opinion.

Leodestan of Tilea

[Evander]

Hi, Flegler, it seems you think very close to me ;).
But here the link for the tournament, also no video :( the fotos are surely entertaining everyone intersted in 'gothic' knights. Its not show what they are making its real jousting with winners and loosers.

http://flickr.com/photos/jonathanhodd/sets/72157594256848681/

These photos are really neat!

[Flegler]

These photos are really neat!

Word. Mythic ought to be consulting these guys instead of Games Workshop.

[Amelung]

@Flegler, it would be really time for some knowledge about lances for mounted combat.
There are no statements about, its really planned? In development?
It would be absolutely typical warhammerlike if there would be fights with lances.
Its not only a small detail, mounted combat and its possibilities....

[The Mad Fiddler]

I'll repost this argument I made in another thread:

I think it makes sense this way. Check out this quote from the Nordland description:

"In a council with his chief advisors, Karl Franz devises the Order of the Griffon, an elite military force answerable only to the Emperor himself, with an authority that supersedes that of the Elector Counts and their provincial generals. Freed from these bureaucratic constraints, the Order will take swift action to unify all defensive measures being engineered in the north.

One catch though- the griffon order already exists. It is a group from Kislev who travel to, train in, and then fight for the Empire before returning to Kislev as part of the alliance between Kislev and the Empire. Otherwise an interesting idea, but I am not sure how happy GW would be about Mythic adding something new to the lore when there are already a large number of knightly orders available.

[Vikingkingq]

One catch though- the griffon order already exists. It is a group from Kislev who travel to, train in, and then fight for the Empire before returning to Kislev as part of the alliance between Kislev and the Empire. Otherwise an interesting idea, but I am not sure how happy GW would be about Mythic adding something new to the lore when there are already a large number of knightly orders available.

You're thinking of the Gryphon Legion.
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99110202196&orignav=13