1000 sects of Warrior Priests decend upon you.

[Guilliam]

Anyone else worried that lots of people will choose them because of thier paladin-ness, or because they seem a good solo class, and the normal empire PvE group consisting of 4 warrior priests and two witchhunters?

This is in the general empire stuff because we'll all be affected;)


I too am shamefully a warrior priest:sad:

[Kron]

Just another reason to run with Chaos, but I do love paladins.

[Aenigma]

I don't know, I always found paladins the least appealing class in any game
But maybe im not that holy warrior type of guy

[Evander]

"Our maces will blot out the sun!"

No not really. I expect Dark Elves to be overrun with half-demon bisexual black haired vampires named in vast variaties of Vincent (FF7)
I also expect Witch Hunters to suffer a worse fate than Warrior Priests. I mean these guys are bald and can only fight with a mace. I don't think most of the youngsters aprieciate thier zeal.

[Hallborne]

Most of the dissapointed retribution paladins from wow will gladly play a Warrior Priest.

[Krulltak]

Yes I except them to be a highly popular class. Holy Warriors are ALWAYS the most popular class in any mmo I've seen.

[Guilliam]

"Our maces will blot out the sun!"

No not really. I expect Dark Elves to be overrun with half-demon bisexual black haired vampires named in vast variaties of Vincent (FF7)
I also expect Witch Hunters to suffer a worse fate than Warrior Priests. I mean these guys are bald and can only fight with a mace. I don't think most of the youngsters aprieciate thier zeal.

Evandar wins a quote completion cookie:o

[Evander]

Evandar wins a quote completion cookie:o

Thank you kind, but I'd like to tell you that my name is Evander ;D
I'd also like to point out that the Warrior Priest in the Intro movie lost the fight against the chosen. I think allot of people will view this as a weakness in iconichood.

Thus in result I can even be as bold to say that the only people choosing the WP might even ending out to be the hardcore Eletes of the Empire!

[Heno]

Anyone else worried that lots of people will choose them because of thier paladin-ness, or because they seem a good solo class, and the normal empire PvE group consisting of 4 warrior priests and two witchhunters?

This is in the general empire stuff because we'll all be affected;)


I too am shamefully a warrior priest:sad:

You'll notice nearly every class has that effect though.

There'll be tons of Warrior priests, because they're the fanatical Paladin like class.

Oh and Knights, because people love knights.

And Bright Wizards, because Pyromania is fun.

Don't forget the Van Helsing fanboys and the Sword and Pistol fanclub.

And that's just Empire, every race has thier classes stuffed so full of cool you can't posssibly see why people would want to play another class.

[Heno]

Thank you kind, but I'd like to tell you that my name is Evander ;D
I'd also like to point out that the Warrior Priest in the Intro movie lost the fight against the chosen. I think allot of people will view this as a weakness in iconichood.


But he looked BADASS regardless. And that's really the only deciding factor you need. :D

[Vikingkingq]

Thank you kind, but I'd like to tell you that my name is Evander ;D
I'd also like to point out that the Warrior Priest in the Intro movie lost the fight against the chosen. I think allot of people will view this as a weakness in iconichood.
!

Hey, Leonidas dies. Doesn't make him any less of a badass.

[Evander]

Hey, Leonidas dies. Doesn't make him any less of a badass.

Leonidas was badass befor he died. In fact in the movie 300 I couldn't remember a single instant where Leonidas wasn't badass. Nor in real history.
Not to mention that Leonidas died a death against imposible odds, the WP in the movie just died in a fair dual.

[boiled_owl]

I bet the chosen would have been fine if the WP gorded him. He's got a fat old helmet on his head. The WP had his head sticking out for all the world to see, catching glints from the burning walls. He was BEGGING to get hit.:???:

[Krulltak]

Leonidas was badass befor he died. In fact in the movie 300 I couldn't remember a single instant where Leonidas wasn't badass. Nor in real history.
Not to mention that Leonidas died a death against imposible odds, the WP in the movie just died in a fair dual.


It's a freaking Chosen. I would not really call it a "fair duel".

Also, please, people, stop talking about 300. The movie was mediocre AT BEST.

[Guilliam]

It's a freaking Chosen. I would not really call it a "fair duel".

Also, please, people, stop talking about 300. The movie was mediocre AT BEST.

Ok then, I wouldn't know, never seen it;)

Doesn't have to be a good movie for a good quote that has to be done to death beaten buried have the ground salted a burned before it dies.

[Oasis]

if they made high elves or dark elves paladins they would be THE most popular race ever because everyone likes hot races and pallies but wow wise pallies were so retarded don't think a lot would if they played wow anyways

[sm|te]

Krulltak, you obviously don't have many friends. 300 is a movie entirely comprised of war, and WAR will be as well, how could you call an epic movie like 300 mediocre?

That's like giving Gladiator 3/5 stars.

[Totenkopf]

I have to agree with Krulltak, 300 whent a little bit overboard with the badass factor, i don't care how tuff you are, if 200,000 arrows are coming down on 300 guys, one of you is going to die.

...back on topic, the WP in the video was badass, don't forget the burning hammer/eyes thing. Also, they portrade the fact that empire is in danger of getting wiped out, that whole battle with the chosen he was getting pushed back and beaten, but he kept on fighting.

Thats badass.

[Evander]

It's a freaking Chosen. I would not really call it a "fair duel".

Also, please, people, stop talking about 300. The movie was mediocre AT BEST.

On the other hand, the Chosen looked like T4 and the Warrior Priest looked like T3. I mean sereusly look at the way they were armoured. In that fact the dual wasn't fair but the WP did put up a good struggle.

And perhaps we do not share the same view of a good movie. But if a Orc player tells a Empire player that a movie filled with barbarian violence isn't a good movie. I wonder what kind of Orc you're going to play.

[Vaelin]

Most of the dissapointed retribution paladins from wow will gladly play a Warrior Priest.

Hear hear!

[Kruez]

As much as I want to deny this and cover my ears and go "LALALA", I can't.

It's seriously making me rethink Warrior-Priest. I love their look, and I like religious zealots, but I also can't stand playing an overpopulated class. And I hate the sterotypical paladin and I'd hate to see my class viewed in that light (even though warrior-priests are so much more badass).

That, and dwarfs & greenskins are looking so tempting. At least I have months and months to decide.

[Hallborne]

As much as I want to deny this and cover my ears and go "LALALA", I can't.

It's seriously making me rethink Warrior-Priest. I love their look, and I like religious zealots, but I also can't stand playing an overpopulated class. And I hate the sterotypical paladin and I'd hate to see my class viewed in that light (even though warrior-priests are so much more badass).

That, and dwarfs & greenskins are looking so tempting. At least I have months and months to decide.

Not playing a class you want to because of other people is not a very good reason to do so.

[Kruez]

Not playing a class you want to because of other people is not a very good reason to do so.

I know, it's odd, but that's just how I roll. I really like to play underplayed classes (and outnumbered sides, as well). It might not effect everyone's playstyle, but it effects mine and I'm sure not the only one.

Ask any die-hard Midgard player from DAoC. The majority probably would never have wanted to play Albion, because it was overpopulated and had a lot of 'noobs'.

Also, I should stress that the MAIN reason I'm rethinking is because I'm starting to really, really like the Dwarfs-Greenskins pair-up. The possible warrior-priest overpopulation is just making me move more towards those factions.

[sonofsigmar]

I know, it's odd, but that's just how I roll. I really like to play underplayed classes (and outnumbered sides, as well). It might not effect everyone's playstyle, but it effects mine and I'm sure not the only one.

Ask any die-hard Midgard player from DAoC. The majority probably would never have wanted to play Albion, because it was overpopulated and had a lot of 'noobs'.

Also, I should stress that the MAIN reason I'm rethinking is because I'm starting to really, really like the Dwarfs-Greenskins pair-up. The possible warrior-priest overpopulation is just making me move more towards those factions.

youre right many people will want to play warrior-priest, but i can bet just as many will want to play the Chosen.

it doesnt matter to me that many may choose the WP like myself. WAR at its core is about the individual, its about ME. i like religious fanaticism in games, its a drive only similar to the dark elves' thirst for revenge. that passion is what i like in the WP. tie that to the fact that empire is getting beaten back every day, the WP got pwned by the Chosen in the video, and the place of the WP is combat......we have a dire, near hopeless situation for empire and WP's. most noob players will think the video means Chosen always get to own Empire, and thats where I come in.

Im stepping into a depressing position, taking a seemingly weak yet popular class, and the class just happens to be iconic in lore and is portrayed as a leader (Mark of Chaos video). to me that is just perfect. it may be overplayed but that just means few get to shine among the noobs, their numbers shouldnt affect your gameplay anyway, its all about smashing the nearest available face, who cares if youre a WP?

im looking forward to overturning all the stigma WPs got (unintentionally) as a result of the trailer, i cant wait

[Hallborne]

I know, it's odd, but that's just how I roll. I really like to play underplayed classes (and outnumbered sides, as well). It might not effect everyone's playstyle, but it effects mine and I'm sure not the only one.

Ask any die-hard Midgard player from DAoC. The majority probably would never have wanted to play Albion, because it was overpopulated and had a lot of 'noobs'.

Also, I should stress that the MAIN reason I'm rethinking is because I'm starting to really, really like the Dwarfs-Greenskins pair-up. The possible warrior-priest overpopulation is just making me move more towards those factions.

I used to be like that, but then it just didn't matter. I'll do what i do regardless of what other people do or think, 90% of WAR could be Warrior Preists and Choppas but i'll still play them (if their enjoyable) because that's what i wanted from the beginning.

[Guilliam]

I was worried about too many players being my class too, untill I just decided I want to be bigger and wear more skulls than the rest of them so I can be chosen for groups over them:cool:

The fact that I'm still afraid that we'll be an empire of warrior priests and witch hunters still remains though, I mean how pious do we need to be:confused:

[heavyhebrew]

I was worried about too many players being my class too, untill I just decided I want to be bigger and wear more skulls than the rest of them so I can be chosen for groups over them:cool:

The fact that I'm still afraid that we'll be an empire of warrior priests and witch hunters still remains though, I mean how pious do we need to be:confused:

Very pious or it is off to the Temple with the Templars with you.;)

I really think we will have a good mix amongst the 4 Empire careers especially if KotBS get a mounted combat advantage.
Besides, I feel as if all the hardcore types will gravitate to Chaos/Greenskins because those factions will be where the true hurt is at.


Tho there is something about playing a dwarf engineer I can't get out of my head...

[Smachaz]

Well, even if it is so, you can comfort yourself by saying that in Warhammer Wariior-Priests aren't that rare, comparared to the Paladin in Warcraft, from a hand full, to 1/6 of the population.


Besides, not every Warrior-Priest will have as much battle trophies as the harcore players.

[Krulltak]

On the other hand, the Chosen looked like T4 and the Warrior Priest looked like T3. I mean sereusly look at the way they were armoured. In that fact the dual wasn't fair but the WP did put up a good struggle.

And perhaps we do not share the same view of a good movie. But if a Orc player tells a Empire player that a movie filled with barbarian violence isn't a good movie. I wonder what kind of Orc you're going to play.


Well first of all I was making my statment from a lore point of view. A warrior priest would get his kicked by a Chaos Chosen in the lore.

Secondly, I seriously doubt ANYONE in real life is as violent as a greenskin without having commited some serious crimes.

The combat and cinematogrophy in 300 was good, but everything else was just stupid and ridiculous. I am not no dumb American who couldn't judge a good movie if his life depended on it. All the yankees seem to care about is "ZOMG FANCY UBERMENSCH KILLIN BDGYS LOLOL".

[Guilliam]

Well first of all I was making my statment from a lore point of view. A warrior priest would get his kicked by a Chaos Chosen in the lore.

Secondly, I seriously doubt ANYONE in real life is as violent as a greenskin without having commited some serious crimes.

The combat and cinematogrophy in 300 was good, but everything else was just stupid and ridiculous. I am not no stupid American who couldn't judge a good movie if his life depended on it. All the yankees seem to care about is "ZOMG FANCY FIGHTING AND FACIST UBERMENSCH KILLIN MDDLESTRNS LOLOL".

Nah Evander is right, sure you don't want to play an elf or somthing?:mrgreen:

[Vikingkingq]

Well first of all I was making my statment from a lore point of view. A warrior priest would get his kicked by a Chaos Chosen in the lore.

Secondly, I seriously doubt ANYONE in real life is as violent as a greenskin without having commited some serious crimes.

The combat and cinematogrophy in 300 was good, but everything else was just stupid and ridiculous. I am not no stupid American who couldn't judge a good movie if his life depended on it. All the yankees seem to care about is "ZOMG FANCY FIGHTING AND FACIST UBERMENSCH KILLIN MDDLESTRNS LOLOL".

I think the best description of that movie, which for the record I enjoyed, that I've seen is: "the most mainstream snuff film ever."

[Krulltak]

I think the best description of that movie, which for the record I enjoyed, that I've seen is: "the most mainstream snuff film ever."

AHAHAHAHAH!

[heavyhebrew]

This is a much better version of 300, more accurate, more everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k

[Vikingkingq]

AHAHAHAHAH!

For a visual representation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2t58CRmbU&mode=related&search=

[Krulltak]

For a visual representation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi2t58CRmbU&mode=related&search=


At least that is ONE part that was historically accurate. Greeks back in that time........were mostly ......or bi.

[Vikingkingq]

At least that is ONE part that was historically accurate. Greeks back in that time........were mostly ......or bi.

Yeah. Another weird thing is that Xerxes had a full head of hair, a beard, and wore clothes from neck to feet. The Greeks thought that the Persians were unmanly for wearing too many clothes, not too little.

[Krulltak]

Yeah. Another weird thing is that Xerxes had a full head of hair, a beard, and wore clothes from neck to feet. The Greeks thought that the Persians were unmanly for wearing too many clothes, not too little.


Just contact Ruinx. He will do the talking for me on this as I am not in the mood to write out one big post on how Frank Miller is politically niave and 300 was full of subtle American facism.

[Guilliam]

Aren't you all getting a little off topic? Not only of the thread but...well the entire board:confused:

[SlowGherkin]

In reference to the general poitn of this thread there is no way at all to gauge which race/class will be over populated. Especially due to the fact they have the information to release on 2 other races.
Every game has something that is overly stupid and op, and that tends to be the class that is over played. Warrior Priest has too much balance about it that doesn't make it a ideal target for lazy gamers who strive for the op quick fix.

That's more a Chaos thing :rolleyes:

[Hallborne]

I am not no stupid American who couldn't judge a good movie if his life depended on it. All the yankees seem to care about is "ZOMG FANCY FIGHTING AND FACIST UBERMENSCH KILLIN MDDLESTRNS LOLOL".

Is your existence and satisfaction with yourself defined by how much of a jerk you can be?

[Krulltak]

Is your existence and satisfaction with yourself defined by how much of a jerk you can be?

Ehh, not really, I just tells 'em as I sees 'em.

[Rotgut_Eadsmasha]

So you've me every single American in the world? So it's possible for you to say such a thing without looking like a... I dunno.... bigot?

I don't remember meeting you. Oh and I haven't seen 300.

[Krulltak]

Let me ponder that for a moment..............I was not speaking in absolutes, I just see that many of them do in fact have a similair mentality.

Also, I lacked better words for the moment.

[Rabbit Slayer]

Let me ponder that for a moment..............I was not speaking in absolutes, I just see that many of them do in fact have a similair mentality.

Also, I lacked better words for the moment.
no we really don't in fact less then 30% of americans feel that way. Hence the reason the current war is so very unpopular. Besides if you want to talk in genralizations then at least 85% of the worlds population is totaly retarted.

Americans don't care about people killing middle easterns we care about people killing people in violent action scenes and if you look at the box office numbers the rest of the world feels the same way.

[Rabbit Slayer]

Just contact Ruinx. He will do the talking for me on this as I am not in the mood to write out one big post on how Frank Miller is politically niave and 300 was full of subtle American facism.
first off Frank Miller is overrated and yes its politcally niave he is a medicore writter (he wrote Robocop 2 and 3). He wrote that in 1998 back when terrorists where something to laugh at as crazy religous nuts who lived in caves and made crappy home videos. To say that 300 is full of American Facism is like saying Shaun of The Dead is a metaphor for the British Empire.

However that being said I would rather take Frank Miller over Alan Moore anyday of the week. At least Frank Miller isn't making Kiddie Porn. Now just because Frank Miller dosn't understand politics dosn't mean he intended it to be a great anti arab message. He meant it as a comic version of a historic battle. Fact is the Persian Empire was a vast and cruel empire they fought a amazing battle against Greece which became one of the greatest stories of Heroeism of all times.

Alan Moore's recent work is about underage girls from stories who explore their sexuallty together. Way to go Alan there is a story that needed to be told

Sorry but I would much rather read a story about mans bravery then read kiddie porn.

[Guilliam]

I'm I'm English so I trump you all, now can we move back to the topic, and indeed board purpose, or move this to "Off topic";)

[Ruinx]

Anyone else worried that lots of people will choose them because of thier paladin-ness, or because they seem a good solo class, and the normal empire PvE group consisting of 4 warrior priests and two witchhunters?

This is in the general empire stuff because we'll all be affected;)


I too am shamefully a warrior priest:sad:

It's quite possible. It'll be no bad thing if so, I'd suggest, because lots of potential healers = some people actually healing and more people learning from their example!

I'll be a KotBS anyway. What I think will be hilarious be the Many Men RolePlaying Girls due to the fact that the male WPs will presumably have to be bald or have embarassingly shaven heads.

Rabbit Slayer - Wow, you just believe any nonsense anyone tells you, don't you? Alan Moore may well be on crack with his latest work, but it's not about "underage girls" - that's like saying Bully (Canis Canem Edit - the computer game) is porn - i.e. nonsense made up by someone who knows nothing about the actual product, and is probably a religious extremist who would be horrified by the actual product whatever was in it. Anyway, Alan Moore has always been a serious nutter, as anyone who read League of Extrordinary Gentlemen 2 knows. <shudder>

I never said the was any American facism in 300. There isn't. There's a lot of facism, but it ain't uniquely American. The facism is simple - Everyone who is bad is either dark-skinned, deformed, (ish), or body-mod'd - Add the Jewish people to these and you've got every single group the Nazis harassed/murdered en masse and/or were planning to murder - All other forms of facism had a particular "hate-on" for these groups too. Add to that the historically inaccurate white, straight-haired, often blue-eyed Spartans (suddenly with 100% less slavery!), defeating a vastly more numerous army of said "inferior"-types simply though their "superiority" (which the film implies is due to genes, training and superior willpower), and you really have a move that could have been made in Nazi German and that would have had Hitler up in his seat hollering and clapping.

It has nothing to do with America, and I've never suggested otherwise. It's "bad timing" given recent tensions with Iran, but not an intentional attack. That doesn't make it any less facist-pleasing though!

The Persian Empire was not cruel. Compare it to any other Empire in history, and you'll find it was on-par or less cruel than them, at worst. So don't believe everything you read in a comic book, eh? The Spartans were far more "cruel" than the Persians - The Spartans regularly massacred their slave population to keep them under control, and had a far far far higher % of their area's population as actual slaves, too. You simply cannot call the Persians cruel and celebrate the Spartans. It's insanity.

Obviously it's not anti-Arab because the Persians are not Arabs! I'm not sure how many more times this is going to have to be explained to Joe Schmoe, but it's a lot, I fear.

By the way, that "It's Raining Men" version is absolutely priceless.

[Captain Amerika]

I have to say that I feer that. I don't think they seem like a good soloing class though, infact none of these classes do which is a good thing to stop the occasional person from running off and trying to act cool on their own but instead hinder the preformance of the team as whole. I personaly like the warriorpriest because they remind me far more of the clerics from D&D then a paladin from Warcraft (if that's what you ment when you mentioned paladins).

[caseysname]

I honestly always thought of paladins as a tank, such as a knight in shining armor, fighting off the dragon. Due to the fact its called a warrior PRIEST, it gives me the impression im going to have little hp, or ways to defend my self, other than the obvious heals. That is why I choose not to be a warrior priest, even though I am a big paladin fan. (( Yes I know a dwarf engineer isnt either. ))

To the person who said, all the dissapointed ret paladins will come play a warrior priest, I honestly dont see paladins as " ret ", (( and by " ret " I mean a damage dealing, die because my god said so type of person )) and the most healing I ever really saw paladins as having was a Lay Hands, sort of second chance for someone, and of course, curing disease and poison.

[Vikingkingq]

It's quite possible. It'll be no bad thing if so, I'd suggest, because lots of potential healers = some people actually healing and more people learning from their example!

I'll be a KotBS anyway. What I think will be hilarious be the Many Men RolePlaying Girls due to the fact that the male WPs will presumably have to be bald or have embarassingly shaven heads.

Rabbit Slayer - Wow, you just believe any nonsense anyone tells you, don't you? Alan Moore may well be on crack with his latest work, but it's not about "underage girls" - that's like saying Bully (Canis Canem Edit - the computer game) is porn - i.e. nonsense made up by someone who knows nothing about the actual product, and is probably a religious extremist who would be horrified by the actual product whatever was in it. Anyway, Alan Moore has always been a serious nutter, as anyone who read League of Extrordinary Gentlemen 2 knows. <shudder>
.

Speaking of Alan Moore - is LExG Volume 3 ever coming out, or is the series over?

[Bobble]

I don't see the WP thing as a problem. People keep referencing WoW, this isn't WoW, thank god. This is not an MMO intended to be so easy that 8 year olds pick it up and you find yourself in a group with an idiot that can't speak and does things that are clearly bad ideas. Granted that might still happen, but it at least isn't marketed to that audience. That being said, even in WoW, yes, there were a lot of paladins, but how many were actually end game or serious chars? These census numbers count things that are alts and lowbies so while in WoW there were tons but the higher you go, the thinner the ranks get. Aside from that MMO communities usually weed out the crappy players and get people to reroll to more useful/necessary classes. If you join a guild or make some friends and they're WPs too, someone will probably reroll when they get tired of having a full WP group.

Another point I haven't seen made in this thread is that in MMOs what do people always need but seem to lack? Healers...support, whatever. WP IS that class for the Empire. So will an abundance of them be bad? Not so much, in fact, it's probably the smartest idea I've ever seen done for healers to HAVE to brawl to be able to heal well. There are many things that factor in here, but there are a lot of diff. things to check the population on the WPs and with 3 classes equally as cool for the Emp to choose from, I think it'll all work out. The average gamer doesnt wanna play a healing class (even if they can spec diff. cause 9/10 times you're asked to heal 10xs more than you're asked to do anything else) but at the same time the class is cool and designed so that people that like to melee can play them. While there's no way to measure these opposing factors specifically, there are a lot of factors in the population of classes that will oppose each other (pros/cons) and keep the population in check for the most part. So yeah we may be overpopulated, but I don't think it'll get too bad.

[Ruinx]

I don't see the WP thing as a problem. People keep referencing WoW, this isn't WoW, thank god. This is not an MMO intended to be so easy that 8 year olds pick it up and you find yourself in a group with an idiot that can't speak and does things that are clearly bad ideas. Granted that might still happen, but it at least isn't marketed to that audience. That being said, even in WoW, yes, there were a lot of paladins, but how many were actually end game or serious chars? These census numbers count things that are alts and lowbies so while in WoW there were tons but the higher you go, the thinner the ranks get. Aside from that MMO communities usually weed out the crappy players and get people to reroll to more useful/necessary classes. If you join a guild or make some friends and they're WPs too, someone will probably reroll when they get tired of having a full WP group.

Another point I haven't seen made in this thread is that in MMOs what do people always need but seem to lack? Healers...support, whatever. WP IS that class for the Empire. So will an abundance of them be bad? Not so much, in fact, it's probably the smartest idea I've ever seen done for healers to HAVE to brawl to be able to heal well. There are many things that factor in here, but there are a lot of diff. things to check the population on the WPs and with 3 classes equally as cool for the Emp to choose from, I think it'll all work out. The average gamer doesnt wanna play a healing class (even if they can spec diff. cause 9/10 times you're asked to heal 10xs more than you're asked to do anything else) but at the same time the class is cool and designed so that people that like to melee can play them. While there's no way to measure these opposing factors specifically, there are a lot of factors in the population of classes that will oppose each other (pros/cons) and keep the population in check for the most part. So yeah we may be overpopulated, but I don't think it'll get too bad.

I've highlighted the problems with your post. WAR is intended to be as user-friendly and accessible as WoW, if that means "an eight year old can pick it up", well, I guess you'll have to skip WAR if you consider that to be a big problem. The sad fact is, I knew of eight-year-olds and the like who could play perfectly competently in both DAoC and WoW, whilst plenty of twenty-eight-year-olds spazzed like they were smashing their head into the keyboard or, more often, kept playing the same way regardless of the actual situation (i.e. kept "healing full-time" and refusing to melee even on weak- trash, or meleeing and never healing even when the group's main healer was dead or incapacitated). A lack of accessibility will only lead to more "illiterate spazz" players, not less, too, I might add.

You're also dead wrong about the lack of Paladins at end-game, and if you think censii pick up the wrong characters (lowbies etc.), it's because you're unable to correctly operate a census-generator, it's not inherent to the census. I shall demonstrate:

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php - Basic full census, 10% of characters are paladins.

Level 70 only - http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?PHPSESSID=924237bfb3207a8419645ab23065e 11e&serverid=-1&factionid=-1&minlevel=70&maxlevel=70&servertypeid=-1 - Paladins are 8% of the populace.

That's including both realms, though, and Horde got Paladins recently enough that figures are skewed - so just Alliance 70s:

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=3&minlevel=70&maxlevel=70&servertypeid=-1 - Paladins are 11% of Alliance 70s.

All levels on Alliance? http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=3&minlevel=10&maxlevel=70&servertypeid=-1 - Paladins are 11% of Alliance 10-70.

So, uh no, you don't really see less Pallies towards the end-game, I'm afraid, except in the sense that the Horde and only the Horde have less level 70 Pallies than lowbie (because the casual players haven't all hit 70 yet, and lots of people stopped a BElf Pally in the 40s somewhere, the dreaded "Paladin suck zone").

Now, on the other hand, I completely agree with and support your assertion that overpopulation of WPs would be no bad thing! I agree that the "average gamer" doesn't want to play a "healing class", less than 10% of players will play a class primarily to heal. However, players love classes which can hit people and heal themselves, and generally speaking, any class which is "righteous" is pretty popular (so both WPs and WHs there), so I do think we'll see a lot of WPs, at least at first. If people find their melee is "underpowered", the population will rapidly drop off - if they don't, though, I'd be unsurprised if they were the most popular Empire class, at least in the first six months.

[Bobble]

Think about it this way. A population is 100%. What, 9 classes per side now? 11% is still not overbearingly populated at 70. In fact, that's the number all classes should strive for to be an even population. 11% and some change for all 9 classes would be a perfectly even distribution of population to classes. So you're not disproving my point, but moreso supporting the fact that the class design tends to balance itself.

And being designed to be user-friendly is not what I was talking about with WoW. Being user friendly is an obvious plus. The gameplay is designed with moderately mature themes, not intended for children. WoW is friendly to children because not only is the PVE easy but there isn't mature material in it to keep them away. And yes, some children could be competent gamers, but that's far less likely than finding a kid going berserk and failing to work as a functioning team member. I'm not some dude just ragging on people younger than me. If that were my intention I'd have used 15 year olds instead of 8 year olds. And while in DAoC young people were able to be good, the people that made names for themselves were 20+ and in many cases 30-40+. At least that's my experience on my server. There's no way to measure clearly the effect of a younger audience on an MMO, but I think WoW's a good example of it. 65% of the population being Night Elf, large % of that being rogues and finding people that couldn't think their way outta a paper bag. Don't think I'm just WoW bashing, I played WoW for 2 years, it had its time. But eventually it's just an endless cycle.

[Rabbit Slayer]

Ruinx Ok wow first off you are missusing the word Facism. Either you don't understand the definition of the word or you just like the sound of it and use it to describe anything that goes against your own beliefs.
Anyhow what you described as being facism is not at all "Everyone who is bad is either dark-skinned, deformed, (ish), or body-mod'd " is actually basic story telling. This goes back to the very first stories ever told. Its called making things entertaining it is followed in almost every comic, story and movie ever made. Very very rarely is it ever not used and usually it never works. It has nothing to do with Facism. It is a writing technique as old as writing itself. If both sides are shown exactly as they were no one would care becasue both sides are complete assholes. Its like watching two murderers fight each other no one is gonna care about who wins cause they are both evil.

Saying the Persian empire wasn't cruel is insane. You are talking about one of the largest empires in the world that conquered countless people all by force. Where the Greeks any better? That depends on your viewpoint. The Spartains did kill their own children if they were too weak. But it dosn't matter fact is both sides had slave, killed innocent people, and where very violent.

I think the most important thing you are not understanding is the entire point of the story. It is a story about the will of man how against a vastly larger force a small group of men stood their ground and refused to be conqured. It is a story about courage.

Oh and I have read Lost girls its complete and utter crap unlike some people I would not talk about something I have no knowledge about.

oh and before I forget Thanks for proving Godwin's Law : )

[Sekt]

i think there will be more witch hunters to tell you the truth

[Rabbit Slayer]

i think there will be more witch hunters to tell you the truth

if I had to bet I would bet on that of course who knows how the classes will actually play out.

[Kalypso]

I honestly always thought of paladins as a tank, such as a knight in shining armor, fighting off the dragon. Due to the fact its called a warrior PRIEST, it gives me the impression im going to have little hp, or ways to defend my self, other than the obvious heals. That is why I choose not to be a warrior priest, even though I am a big paladin fan. (( Yes I know a dwarf engineer isnt either. ))


Actually the WP may have fewer HP than some other classes, but they do get good armor and probably some buffs which is why many are comparing them to the Paladin of other games. I actually think they'll play similar to the paladin and expect someone who was a fan of them to be a fan of the WP.

I really need to see what comes out for the elves with their descriptions - I won't play a dwarf - ugly females - if I was a guy I could so totally play a dwarf male - but I haven't found a female dwarf model yet that I can relate to - and yes - as an avid RP'er I want to relate to my toon.

I have many options between the Empire and hopefully the Elves - so I have chosen Witchhunter for the moment - but I have about 8 months to really choose.

[SonofHorus]

I have to agree with Krulltak, 300 whent a little bit overboard with the badass factor, i don't care how tuff you are, if 200,000 arrows are coming down on 300 guys, one of you is going to die.

...back on topic, the WP in the video was badass, don't forget the burning hammer/eyes thing. Also, they portrade the fact that empire is in danger of getting wiped out, that whole battle with the chosen he was getting pushed back and beaten, but he kept on fighting.

Thats badass.

Really? Check out the ACTUALLY history....None of the Spartans died in the first day. Just by this fact they are bad enough.

[Flinthas]

Historically, 300 was laughable, poor Leonidus would be rolling over in his grave. However the most hilarious lack of historical accuracy in the film was when they had poor Leonidus shout about how "SPARTA IS FREE". I mean lets be honest here guys, this is a movie about the people who would later defeat the worlds first democracy and install tyrants to rule.

Sparta is free rofl...

And please load up on your warrior priests, so I may fill the valleys with their blood!

[Ruinx]

Really? Check out the ACTUALLY history....None of the Spartans died in the first day. Just by this fact they are bad enough.

Er, that's what we call a "myth" or "legend" lil' Timmy, if you'd studied history you'd have been taught to differentiate them from "facts". There's no historical evidence for your claim whatsoever.

History is clear. Approximately 7000 Greeks held off 210000+ Persians for a few days. The reason that the Greeks didn't die en-masse to the arrows was that Persians could not POSSIBLE bring any more than a few thousand archers to bear at any one time, and the Greeks had extremely large shields well-suited to hiding behind.

This was exacerbated by the fact that the Persian archers, despite advanced composite bows, were relatively short-ranged, further limiting the number who could be brought to bear at once.

Even if, by some miracle, no Spartan genuinely died on the first day, it wouldn't be "bad-"-ness they saved them - They were not fighting at the front the whole time, Leonidas rotated the units at the front to ensure they didn't become exhausted, it would be more to do with luck than anything else that none died. Few dying is bad-. None dying is bad- + a whole lot of luck.

[Bobble]

You guys crack me up. This 300 conversation is retarded, plain and simple. People saying it's not real, etc etc....DUH. The guy added an obvious comic feel. Deformed men, mutants, ninjas...why the hell are you sitting here arguing the realism factored in such a film? This is a Warhammer forum for one, secondly, NO ONE knows history, especially that far back, it could've been 300, it coulda been 7000, coulda been 30000. The history behind this is the account of a man clearly not there corrupted over time by stories and fairytales and now we're puking it back up as if it is fact. There is far more recent history that's been corrupted than something like this story so arguing facts on it is stupid. Some people should learn to watch movies for entertainment and stop looking for the answer to the meaning of life in them.

[Kalypso]

Truth be know there were only 3 Spartans against 300 drunken Greeks - but a movie titled "Three" just wouldn't sell tickets :p

Please let's get back on topic. The poor guy who started the thread deserves that.

I have actually wished that someone would start an all Warrior Priest guild - or an all Witch Hunter Guild or an all.....whatever guild.

I think it would be so great to see an army or 100 Warrior Priests descending on another army. Just the cool factor seeing all the same class banded together - hammers gleaming in the sun - prayer books in hand - I actually think it would be :cool:

[Ruinx]

NO ONE knows history, especially that far back, it could've been 300, it coulda been 7000, coulda been 30000.

Sorry, actually we do have a pretty good idea. I know that spoils your illusion, but one day, you'll feel better for it. There are little things called archaeology and multiple sources, and logic, but anyway, one day you'll get it.

Kalypso - I think we'll see that horde of WPs in the first BGs in the first days of the game.

As for one-class guilds, whilst I'm sure we'll see those too, like one-race guilds, they never last long, because people want to play in balanced groups, and want their friends to be in the guild, so either they leave, or the guild slackens it's policies (there are some long stand "good" and "evil" guilds, however, and I believe one longstanding "orcs where possible" guild).

[Vikingkingq]

This is a Warhammer forum for one, secondly, NO ONE knows history, especially that far back, it could've been 300, it coulda been 7000, coulda been 30000. .

Hehe. The Greeks had history, you know, written history. Heredotus wrote his History of the Persian Wars by interviewing the people who fought in it, both non-Spartan Greeks who fought in the battle's early stages and Persian captives who survived the war, only forty years after it was fought. Not long after the battle, Greeks returned to the battlesite where they buried their dead, which was written about in detail. The evidence for Thermopylae is pretty solid.

[Edds]

The overpopulation-probability really bothers me, and I know I'm not the only one. I love being as rare and underdog-ish as possible.

If WP's will be an overplayed class is another case. I hate to compare WAR to TGWNSNBM, but I think the "Holy, Righteous Avenger in Shiny Armor with Burning Eyes" will become strikingly popular, as the Paladin did.

However, I also belive that this will even out after a certain amount of time, when people start to feel the need for PUG's consisting of other classes than WP's.

[Falkos]

I'm thinking of making a WP, then marching off to the dwarf lands :rolleyes:

[Veilside]

It's a freaking Chosen. I would not really call it a "fair duel".

Also, please, people, stop talking about 300. The movie was mediocre AT BEST.

Seemed to be more of a "champion" than a chosen to be honest, anyway why wouldn't it be a fair duel?

I agree though, 300 was and overrated piece of garbage, i'd much rather watch Gladiator.

[Unstoppable]

I never really thought of Paladins till you brought it up. This is Warhammer not WoW.

[Montague]

I never really thought of Paladins till you brought it up. This is Warhammer not WoW.

The term "Paladin" is not defined by the castrated abomination that resides in that game.

[heavyhebrew]

I wish this thread would die a slow and painful death on an altar to Nurgle.

[Heresy]

Yes I except them to be a highly popular class. Holy Warriors are ALWAYS the most popular class in any mmo I've seen.

What MMORPGs have you been playing?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question - no. Yeah, the holy warrior factor will attract some players, sure, but I think the WP is too "different" for the main crowd of righteous knights in shining armor.

I'd say the Witch Hunter will suffer the worst of the empire classes.

[Veilside]

What MMORPGs have you been playing?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question - no. Yeah, the holy warrior factor will attract some players, sure, but I think the WP is too "different" for the main crowd of righteous knights in shining armor.

I'd say the Witch Hunter will suffer the worst of the empire classes.

It seems to be the most popular on the forums so i doubt it'll suffer at all, if anything IMO it's the KoBS though the armour will certainly atract people to that class.

[Heresy]

It seems to be the most popular on the forums so i doubt it'll suffer at all, if anything IMO it's the KoBS though the armour will certainly atract people to that class.

I might've been unclear, but I meant that the Witch Hunter will suffer from overpopulation.
KoBS or Bright Wizard will most likely be the least played, yeah.

[Veilside]

I might've been unclear, but I meant that the Witch Hunter will suffer from overpopulation.
KoBS or Bright Wizard will most likely be the least played, yeah.

I'm not sure about that, I imagine lots of people will want to play a non evil human with lots of armour and the KotBS will certainly appeal to these people, the armour looks awesome and it's definitely the class i'd play if chosen weren't in the game.

[BobTheOrc]

I belive that Empire will be the overpopulated Zerg that is the Alliance of WoW.

I'm alliance and we get beaten badly. I look forward to going over to the Chaos areas and beating up the newbs on the Empire side. Not that you guys are the newbs of course. Im talking about the 7 year olds that somehow got onto their dads/moms/siblings Warhammer account and got hooked.

:p

[Jasej]

Yeah, ok... I won't begin to discuss the popularity of the Van Helsing b-movie class.

But the WPs you say? Overpopulated? Hell yeah... He's got burning eyes in the video, there's no cool thing that rises over that on the coolness factor (except for the distinct look-a-likelyness to a movie character)

[Buucho]

1000 sects of Warrior Priests decend upon you.

...would be an awesome sight. In all honesty, I dont believe WP will have that great of survivability. They will be up in the front, thier bald heads will make them stick out, then they will get focus fired.

As for whether they will be an over-played class. In my experience with mmo's, people tend to pick the higher dps classes leaving the healers and tanks in higher demand.

Though... if i do decide to roll with a WP, the idea of running with a group of 10 or so WPs and just trying to WTFBBQ people makes me grin.:p


Edit: added F to WT

[Garathos]

Nah Evander is right, sure you don't want to play an elf or somthing?:mrgreen:
Dude... he should be looking at the gnomes.

[Sammion]

guys, if you've ever heard of a guild on WoW called "The Enclave"
you'll know they will roll nothing but this when they move here, their guild is nothing BUT human paladins and warriors, with about 10 other characters being other races/classes.

[heavyhebrew]

Dude... he should be looking at the gnomes.

They implement gnomes or halflings into this game and I will quit.
Last thing WAR needs is some bad tempered gnome tinkerers and drunken, horny halfling bakers.

[Krulltak]

They implement gnomes or halflings into this game and I will quit.
Last thing WAR needs is some bad tempered gnome tinkerers and drunken, horny halfling bakers.

However, the implementation of defensless hafling civilians in the Moot would be quite amusing.
Or, the use of haflings for food, as the devs have stated.

[Kazek Ironfist]

Halfings would be cool. The Moot is always ravaged whenever there is any type of orc/ogre/chaos attack on the empire. It would be cool to have npc halfings, military wise they are too weak to make into a playable charecter, all they do is use slings.

[Krulltak]

Halfings would be cool. The Moot is always ravaged whenever there is any type of orc/ogre/chaos attack on the empire. It would be cool to have npc halfings, military wise they are too weak to make into a playable charecter, all they do is use slings.


Dude.......there are people who have lost entire tournaments due to enemy use of the hafling food slinging thing.

[Volcano Mentality]

I honestly think that, for the side of Destruction, Dark Elves will be the most overpopulated, what with them being evil badasses, having an assassin/rogue class, and still being "pretty" despite being evil.

And for the side of Order, I think the Empire will be the most overpopulated because of ONE major thing: the Witch Hunter. Van Helsing fans, rogue fans, sword and pistol fans, pointy hat fans, "pretty" people fans, and little kids wanting to be the "cool guy" like every other callous badass (long silver haired dudes, sasuke uchiha for you who know him, Sephiroth, etc.).

Warrior Priests will likely be higher up as well because of diappointed Ret. Palading like me, little kids who are mature enough to understand how being a good guy is still cool, and other casual Paladin fans. But I'm pretty sure they wont be the most popular.

[heavyhebrew]

I have never seen a Empire player use the halfling slinger where I play.
I would laughed my butt off if someone brought out a hot pot crew.
I do not discount that they would be annoying as most non-Empire players would probably discount them until food toss(?) ability was used. Someone have a Empire Army book on hand? I forget the Special Rules for Hot Pots(Pies!)
I would have sicced some chameleon skinks on them.(instead of going for the almost certain to have Empire wizard).

Most Emp players go straight to halberdier, steam tanks, hand gunners and Templars(Knightly Orders) units.
Starting to see rocket launchers and flagellants tho, stupid detachment system.

Someone lost a tourney game due to halfling slingers or the Pots?
That must have been one pissed player, he/she playing Chaos?

[RockpapperWaagh]

I have never seen a Empire player use the halfling slinger where I play.
I would laughed my butt off if someone brought out a hot pot crew.
I do not discount that they would be annoying as most non-Empire players would probably discount them until food toss(?) ability was used. Someone have a Empire Army book on hand? I forget the Special Rules for Hot Pots(Pies!)
I would have sicced some chameleon skinks on them.(instead of going for the almost certain to have Empire wizard).

Most Emp players go straight to halberdier, steam tanks, hand gunners and Templars(Knightly Orders) units.
Starting to see rocket launchers and flagellants tho, stupid detachment system.

Someone lost a tourney game due to halfling slingers or the Pots?
That must have been one pissed player, he/she playing Chaos?

never underestimate a player who thinks slightly outside the box.

my current 500 point army is 3-0 with the closest game being agaisnt lizardmen due to terrain more than anything.

in 2 of my wins (over 2 dwarf players) i lost a total of 6 models (about 70 points) thats in 2 games.

What was i playing might you ask. A 100% goblin artillery army. Not 1 melee fighter on the board.
Thats right... i lost 3 goblins each game earning a victory and major victory. Agaisnt the lizardmen army i won a minor victory, barely.

[Barundin]

I have never seen a Empire player use the halfling slinger where I play.
I would laughed my butt off if someone brought out a hot pot crew.
I do not discount that they would be annoying as most non-Empire players would probably discount them until food toss(?) ability was used. Someone have a Empire Army book on hand? I forget the Special Rules for Hot Pots(Pies!)
I would have sicced some chameleon skinks on them.(instead of going for the almost certain to have Empire wizard).

Most Emp players go straight to halberdier, steam tanks, hand gunners and Templars(Knightly Orders) units.
Starting to see rocket launchers and flagellants tho, stupid detachment system.

Someone lost a tourney game due to halfling slingers or the Pots?
That must have been one pissed player, he/she playing Chaos?

BEHOLD YOUR DOOM!!!
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99060202028&orignav=9

The halfling Hotpot, destroyer of armies.

[Kazek Ironfist]

Dude.......there are people who have lost entire tournaments due to enemy use of the hafling food slinging thing.

The problem with that is that we are not talking about tabletop, where I know they can be useful, we are talking about in Age of Reckoning. I do not see a halfing in this game standing up in any way to a black ork, or a chosen.

[Dark Champion]

1000 warrior priests attack you

only 5 of them know how to heal

1000 warrior priests die a horrible death

[Turuk]

Our Choppa'z be blottin' out tha Sun!

WAAAAAAAGGGGGHHH!!!!

[Hyperion]

Stop with the 300 quotes! It was a bollocks movie, you want a good account of the battle of Thermopylae? Read Gates of Fire, that's how the 300 really went. 300 was nothing more than a 2 hour long loin cloth commercial, it was pants, smelly, two week old, skid marked pants.

Anyhoo, regarding the overpopulation of WP's, I'd say that they will probably attract alot of the new players who don't read forums, research a game to the hilt. He's a holy warrior (ooo shiny), he has to hit things to build power (oooo combat), he's a human (yay for orginality, always the most played race), he can heal and buff himself (ooooooo one man army).

That was a silly way of putting it but when you look at it like that, young new players will look for the human race and be instantly drawn to the WP or the WH, they do have an instant attraction to them.

Personally, having played the WoW Paladin for a long long time, I won't touch this dude with a barge pole, no more Hybrid Healers for me, because they will be expected to use their Righteous Fury for Healing, and the majority won't but I don't blame them, they're playing the game for fun, and who are we to tell them to play any different?

The thing is that really, all the healers should have something smilar to the shaman's Waaagh! system, aka you have to do damage to heal and your built up energy from doing damage is spent solely on heals. But if given the choice between a heal, or a Righteous Fury filled strike of mega doom, which button would you press?

[sonofsigmar]

Stop with the 300 quotes! It was a bollocks movie, you want a good account of the battle of Thermopylae? Read Gates of Fire, that's how the 300 really went. 300 was nothing more than a 2 hour long loin cloth commercial, it was pants, smelly, two week old, skid marked pants.

Anyhoo, regarding the overpopulation of WP's, I'd say that they will probably attract alot of the new players who don't read forums, research a game to the hilt. He's a holy warrior (ooo shiny), he has to hit things to build power (oooo combat), he's a human (yay for orginality, always the most played race), he can heal and buff himself (ooooooo one man army).

That was a silly way of putting it but when you look at it like that, young new players will look for the human race and be instantly drawn to the WP or the WH, they do have an instant attraction to them.


Personally, having played the WoW Paladin for a long long time, I won't touch this dude with a barge pole, no more Hybrid Healers for me, because they will be expected to use their Righteous Fury for Healing, and the majority won't but I don't blame them, they're playing the game for fun, and who are we to tell them to play any different?

The thing is that really, all the healers should have something smilar to the shaman's Waaagh! system, aka you have to do damage to heal and your built up energy from doing damage is spent solely on heals. But if given the choice between a heal, or a Righteous Fury filled strike of mega doom, which button would you press?

If i had a "Holy Pwn" button, trust me i would press it ALOT. Basically, even in WoW, i would heal people who deserved it, not everyone who wanted a heal.
You want a heal, prove to me that you are worth my action points and righteous fury. If there is no one to heal, thats why the "Holy Pwn" button is there, so we can have fun like everyone else.

Think of it this way, in WoW you had to spec X to get into dungeon Y right? WAR is focused on open field battle. in a sense, you dont have to group with anybody, and even if you dont group, added numbers are still an advantage. its because of this im rolling a WP, basically im going to heal and buff myself, and anyone else around me who is keeping me alive. its a mutual relationship.

trust me, if you have a good group, you will be pressing "Holy Pwn" alot more than you think is realistic.

[Coco Crispies]

sonofsigmar pretty much has my thoughts exactly