Warrior Priest TierIV

[sonofsigmar]

Hail Fists of Sigmar!

Pshht, whatever im not a big RPer. anyways i wanted to discuss WP tier 4 armor. i know it looks sorta cool in the trailer but im not sure of it brilliance ingame from the various SS'es ive seen, they look too "priesty" to me.
I mean look at the Witch-hunter, Chosen and KoTBS. their gear looks like they will be pretty eye-catching by T4. i also happen to think Bright Wizard apparel sucks but im not a Wizard and this isnt their forum.

I had an idea, why not make shoulderpads out of Chosen helmets. that would own, and give some visual appeal to the class, coz atm the breastplate looks more like a round boiler-tank ingame and the lack of prominent shoulders makes them look less menacing.imho they look sweet in the WAR and Mark of Chaos videos, but an SS of a T4 WP makes me think otherwise.

any suggestions?

[Bobble]

Maybe the T4 should look better, but if you think about it, this is WAR, do the looks ofyour duds really matter so much? It seems to me that they've gone more for the idea of desperation for the Empire rather than the typical human ideal of adorning everything with some kinda show of standing or wealth or renown/prestige. The only reason I agree that T4 should look nice is that as you progress, since we probably won't get bigger or grow beards as long as we are tall like the dwarves, we've gotta get something to show that we've gotten some butt-kicking in. I personally, after seeing (and wearing) gear in WoW with the retardedly overdone shoulderpads, am afraid to ask for anything more extravagant lol.

[tonic]

Could you post a link to the tiers? I must have missed it somehow.

[sonofsigmar]

it wasnt exactly a link to tiers i saw, sorry about that. it was the screenshots of all the classes i was looking at which had captions. and i saw the captions in "tier4 magus" "tier 4 chosen" and "tier 4 Warrior Priest". and from those three, the WP was arguably the most plain in design.
i would like to agree and differ at the same time that we need to have something to show our progress, but i dont think we should llimit ourselves to WoWs scope when it comes to gear design. having played WoW myself, i know those guys have reached an all time high when it comes to ridiculous shoulderpads, but as im sure you guys know, the paladin tier2 gear in that game was by far the best set of equipment anyone could wear, so much so that even with 6 tiers now, tier2 is still the ideal and archetypal set for the class (like the mask (Judgemet Crown), which no other class can hope to imitate without looking like a paladin)

anyway, my point is mythic does a good job in discussing stuff with its clients and this is a good thing. if such a burst of brilliance in design could be seen in the WP (as 4 magus and chosen) im sure it would be welcome and we, the players would have a say if it was cool or not. with that said i really think the WP should get some shoulderpads, cool ones to offset the fact that he has no helm or coif, that is unless they want WPs to be less showy and just plain, which is fine with me, coz it makes no difference in combat.

[NurgleBurgle]

I'm sure there will be many, many armor variations present when the game is released, from low to high tiers. That armor is just one of the ones they finished early.

[heavyhebrew]

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I mean look at the Witch-hunter, Chosen and KoTBS. their gear looks like they will be pretty eye-catching by T4.

Looks like someone has a case of Hat envy.:D
I think they are on target for T4 warrior priest. Big, bulky armor, the Book of Sigmar chained on us, prayer seals hanging like tassels, oh and the hammer, can't forget the hammer. As long as I have some T4 ability that makes my eyes glow as I am about to perform a craniectomy on Krulltak as the Empire and Dwarves retake Karak Eight Peaks I will be a very happy WP.

[Bobble]

I'm gonna dive a bit into psychology here. The psychology of a healer and the psych of an attacker. Typical healers wear light armor if any and therefore have a need to look somewhat plain and hang back. If a healer is too noticeable, they become even bigger targets in RVR/PVP. Cloth robes, maybe a tiara and a staff or 1hander and small shield. The fatal flaw with healers in this case is that warrior priests need to be up there fighting, so a fancy robe and no metal armor wouldn't cut it. But at the same time we don't want to stand out too much because we're what's between our group's success and failure because their lives rest on our shoulders.

Attackers tend to go for flashy targets, believe it or not. Of course the rules change in organized RvR/PvP when theres a main assist and they know to target a support class so it doesn't take 15 mins to kill one person. But in PUGs you'll notice that a lot of the time people scatter target and will even attack the tank type. You might sit and wonder, why the hell would they do that? Tanks are flashy and defiant. They call for your eye to wander to them and then boast, "You can't kill me!". So you'll sometimes in PUGs see a meleer attacking a tank type rather than the healer that's keeping him up. It's almost that the tank's mere existence seems to lay down a continual challenge. I personally for this reason would rather not have much flashy gear. Maybe something that doesn't look like someone slapped an old iron oven or boiler on you but nothing too fancy. I'm a fan of good helms but we can't get those for the same reason we can't keep our hair, so I'm ok with it for now. Of course there's no real proof of my theory, just something I've observed from playing MMOs for a while.

P.S. - You mentioned Pally T2 from WoW, good taste. That armor gave pally a really noticeable look, no mistaking what class that person was when you saw that. That being said, I think that'd be a cool WP idea considering the robes were also plate armor.

[sonofsigmar]

yeah man, i want something not so flashy as you say, just something that distinguishes a WP on the battlefield, and let me put your fears to rest if the pvp videos are anything to go by, group RvR wont be a "zerg, and one-shot the shaman" affair. ive gathered that healer classes will be even harder to take down in some cases than others (except the WP who is more melee) due to the tradeoff in dps. a good example is the runepriest. from what ive seen he is one of the games best group healers and is practically invincible when his runes are up. even his description says taking down a runepriest first is a waste of time.

this said, this game will infact be alot more skill and tactics based than other button-mashing games, because of collision-detection, a very ingenoious grudge system in tanks which reduces damage on everyone else, waagh and rune enhancement, morale etc. so no matter how flashy anybody is, an unplanned zerg on one character is a waste of time, and i love Mythic for that piece of brilliance.

back to topic, umm, not necessarily flashy, but since zealots etc walk around carrying skulls and the chosen and kotbs have nicely decorated armor, all i want to do is smash a chosen's head and use the helmet or something as a kind of trophy. your ideas make sense, but we all take pride in having our toons customizable and looking as decorated as our tastes merit. if customizability in WAR is anything to go by, i want my WP to mirror the guy in the video: big prayer book, skulls, chains, crosses and hammer symbols, and something else that shows the number of chaos magi and chosen that are aquainted with his warhammer. this image is only in concept art as you know, and not in the screenshots.

[Krulltak]

I did not bother reading any of this...


... but tier 4 you say? http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/1006Emp01.jpg

Good enough for me.

[sonofsigmar]

I did not bother reading any of this...


... but tier 4 you say? http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/1006Emp01.jpg

Good enough for me.

thats not a SS

read before you post man

[Krulltak]

thats not a SS

read before you post man



Yeah? What's your point? The screenshot of the tier 3 Chosen looks just like the concept art, so expect that concept art for a tier 4 Warrior Priest to look just like the in-game version.

Also, I demand links of where you saw this "tier 4 Warrior Priest shots".

[sonofsigmar]

hmm i seem to be out of my luck, but one of these screenshots had a caption "tier4 Warrior Priest" in an interview with Gamespot.com http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/media/images/screenshots/full/0307_SS_009.jpg
this particular SS and many similar ones for that reason indicate this is the closest to T4 a WP will get at this time. this is what im saying needs to get closer to concept art pictures by release.
i cant find the exact picture but i belive he was standing with some dwarfs, and it was labelled t4 WP

[Krulltak]

The link don't work.

Also, don't worry. We are still in the Alpha stage and Mythic will make sure to get everything sorted out well and ready by the time the game is out.

[sonofsigmar]

lol i tried the link myself, damn this internet!! it worked as a bookmark but not an internal link. anyway i guess you're right, i want to kill a chosen and adorn myself with their helmets, idk why, must be tied to my childhood.


edit: it works now

[Tzathiel]

i doubt that's tier 4.
More along the lines of tier 2.

[Bobble]

it's really not so bad, perhaps just add some color to the bp and you've got a nice armor set. No reason it should be all silver, maybe at least make the marks on the right shoulder gold for the contrast

[Krulltak]

Yeah... that link is more of a tier 2/3.

[Vikingkingq]

Not Tier 2, that's more chainmail. Certainly 3 or 4, but more likely 3.

[sonofsigmar]

thats my point, i said tier 4 wont be alot more different than what you can see. theres a group of SS'es there and you can see the gradation in tiers. and that may be tier 3 but as i said, tier 4 isnt exactly a startling departure from that or as visually enticing as the concept art, which is the basis of this thread.
the concept art looks sweet, make tier 4 look that way, adding the relics and such, which arent inscribed into the breastplate or allow WPs various means of customization that will bring it more like http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/images/WarriorPriest02_03.jpg

or maybe http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/images/WarriorPriest02_06.jpg

this is not what a T4 SS looks like, which was what i saw but unfortunately cant trace.
see the shoulderpads? make them customizable into freaking chosen helmets ftw!!

[Bobble]

The idea is good, but chosen helmets would sully the good name of Sigmar if worn on a noble warrior priest.

[sonofsigmar]

The idea is good, but chosen helmets would sully the good name of Sigmar if worn on a noble warrior priest.

Truth. i still wouldnt mind a better set of shoulders

[Bobble]

Don't make me get you Lawlbringer shoulders. Or maybe the shards of glass from Redemption (T3) lolololol God WoW had some horrible armor designs, esp. the shoulders and ESP for pallies. Anywhos, I'm not sure how they're working it out, but as we gain levels our armor should look cooler, so maybe that same armor will look diff. after that guy gains some levels? Not sure. Hopefully our armor gets fancier than that.

[sonofsigmar]

yeah, me too. especially if Mythic gives some attention to fan-based concept art, i think the actual players can come up with really good ideas.

loool some of wow's shoulders are just pathetic im more sympathetic towards the retard that brought them into the game as they are without asking players, than the players who actually have to wear them.

[heavyhebrew]

Sonofsigmar, may I remind you of TGTSNBN's shaman class tier0 shoulders. Yes, the TV antenna ones.

I have no concept of the workings of a game development company's art team. It seems that to design 4 different tiers for 24 different classes in 6 different races would be work on a King Kong sized scale. At least they have almost 25 years of art background to work with.;)

As long as WP's get A. prayer seals B. glowing eye ability of righteous whoop-@$$ and C. cool Book of Sigmar I will be happy.
The armor also looks to become more ornate as the Tiers progress. It would be cool to have some glowing rune covered armor but that might be stepping on the toes of the Chaos players(and very hard to design).

[sonofsigmar]

Sonofsigmar, may I remind you of TGTSNBN's shaman class tier0 shoulders. Yes, the TV antenna ones.

I have no concept of the workings of a game development company's art team. It seems that to design 4 different tiers for 24 different classes in 6 different races would be work on a King Kong sized scale. At least they have almost 25 years of art background to work with.;)

As long as WP's get A. prayer seals B. glowing eye ability of righteous whoop-@$$ and C. cool Book of Sigmar I will be happy.
The armor also looks to become more ornate as the Tiers progress. It would be cool to have some glowing rune covered armor but that might be stepping on the toes of the Chaos players(and very hard to design).

i agree with you whole-heartedly, i never saw it that way. but if they get player input like like i suggest, they can get this through much quicker. its much better at least, than taking some time to develop gear only for 100% of that career base saying "wtf is this power-ranger/power-puff girl/easter bunny crap gear?"
so much later, when all the games core concerns have been settled, gear can be a side concern esp for WPs, of course im hoping our fan art is consistent and talented, because i cant draw or paint worth crap.

[Buucho]

this should be t4. will solve all issues

http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/spacemarines/artwork/images/17-big.jpg


and give Warrior Priests bolters as well since snotlings are overpowered

[Cain]

I happen to really like all of the warrior priest armor concepts, something too striking or flashy would seem out of place. I've never seen Warhammer armor that didn't look badass though, so I'm not worried about anything.

[Feigro]

Sonofsigmar, I think the models themselves are just fine. I'd wait for the Trophy slots to be displayed in detail a bit more. Who knows, perhaps you get exactly what you want. Perhaps you can strap on Bits of Chosen or other chaos enemy pieces onto your shoulder pads should you so choose.

The ideas you're talking about seem to be the entire point and goal of the Trophy system. So despite what you see for models now, you may actually get something along the lines of what you're looking for within Trophies.

[sonofsigmar]

Sonofsigmar, I think the models themselves are just fine. I'd wait for the Trophy slots to be displayed in detail a bit more. Who knows, perhaps you get exactly what you want. Perhaps you can strap on Bits of Chosen or other chaos enemy pieces onto your shoulder pads should you so choose.

The ideas you're talking about seem to be the entire point and goal of the Trophy system. So despite what you see for models now, you may actually get something along the lines of what you're looking for within Trophies.

thanks man, lets wait for trophies as you say

[Eisen Faust]

In all cases of speculation I'd say as for tier's go they're pretty basic

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/warhammeronline/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=tabs&tag=tabs%3Bimages&page=6

Plus the armor you saw in the recent WP footage was tier 2 and 4(pure speculation)

if anything this: http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/images/WarriorPriest02_02.jpg
is WP Tier 3
tier 1 would be what you saw in the German game play vids, extremely basic robes and cudgel

tier 4 can change vastly.....you can place 15 characters next to each other same rank and class in the game and they wouldn't look the same

question is how customizable will you character be?

[Dayroz]

Personally, I think all of the Warrior Priest gear (Both screenshots and concept art) look excellent. There's been mention of RvR/PvP trophies, so you may have the option to stick Chaos heads on your armor. Overall though, I'm strongly against making that kind of gaudiness on all WP armor. WP armor is right on target. Anything that strays away from WoW style graphics is good for me - WoW's ridiculous looking armor is nothing but a bad memory.

[Veilside]

I doubt a warrior priest would stoop to using "tainted" pieces of chaos armour himself ;)

[RockpapperWaagh]

while you may not be a rp'er you will have to deal with the developers using the lore when making gear choices for classes.

WP are all about the basics and serving in the name of sigmar, nothing gaudy, nothing over the top, exactly what he needs to defeat his enemy and nothing more.

[sonofsigmar]

while you may not be a rp'er you will have to deal with the developers using the lore when making gear choices for classes.

WP are all about the basics and serving in the name of sigmar, nothing gaudy, nothing over the top, exactly what he needs to defeat his enemy and nothing more.

while i agree with you wholeheartedly, remember that WPs most likely wont have any facial hair or hair on their heads. because this is a special WP case, these guys need some HEAVY customization options, or they will become really boring really fast.

while i agree it might be ok for a couple of weeks, once the mainstream market joins WAR (not original fans) we'll have like thousands of guys looking almost the same and this will really put guys off not only with WPs but the game itself.

that said, the more customization options we have, trust me, the better. its the best Mythic can do if we cant have hair or facial hair.

[PallyofAwesome]

Personally, I'm actually very please with the current Warrior Priest concepts. I like the idea of being layers of hard and soft. The way I'm seeing it, a WARRIOR PRIEST should be just that - a holy man (or woman) that grabs a breastplate and a hammer and runs out to battle in the name of Sigmar. I bet a lot Destruction players are going to be running around RvR zones and when they see a WP (if they are dumb enough) they will think, "Hey, that looks like an easy target. That player is wearing robes, must be a clothy." And when they start fighting us they will think, "Oh, ****. This guy is wearing mail/plate." That's how we draw them in: we look like prey, then we bust out our hammers and get to the bashing.

[RockpapperWaagh]

WP males at least wont have hair on their heads. maybe the shaved friar tuck look, but no top of the head hair.

I woudlnt be suprised if mustaches and goatees made it in. Also I expect the women will have short hair options. Though I hope for us lore nuts they give the females a shaven look as well (ala V for vendetta)

If you look at the concept stuff for WP the armor is all very basic with differences in how much is plate, and how ornate the holy parts are. Expect this trend ingame. The way you will tell between T1 and T4 is the amount of plate they have, not neccisarily how much more badass it is.

[Zirconium]

I'm actually really happy with the concept art I've seen, and also very happy about the Warrior-Priestess screenshot we've seen. I tend to think we havn't seen the model of tier4 yet, so I think it can only get better.

[JonoLith]

Hail Fists of Sigmar!

Pshht, whatever im not a big RPer. anyways i wanted to discuss WP tier 4 armor. i know it looks sorta cool in the trailer but im not sure of it brilliance ingame from the various SS'es ive seen, they look too "priesty" to me.
I mean look at the Witch-hunter, Chosen and KoTBS. their gear looks like they will be pretty eye-catching by T4. i also happen to think Bright Wizard apparel sucks but im not a Wizard and this isnt their forum.

I had an idea, why not make shoulderpads out of Chosen helmets. that would own, and give some visual appeal to the class, coz atm the breastplate looks more like a round boiler-tank ingame and the lack of prominent shoulders makes them look less menacing.imho they look sweet in the WAR and Mark of Chaos videos, but an SS of a T4 WP makes me think otherwise.

any suggestions?

Quickly create friendly animosity before the game even comes out!

You'll have to kill a chosen first! Punk! Or will you be too busy standin' in the back healin' so when I roll up alls up on you with my spiky armor and big axe all glitterin' and looking fly alls up on here you'll be alls like "Oh noes" and I'll be alls like "Oh yeah baby I'ma gonna get me some Warrior Priest blood all up ons this jive joint. And you'll be all like "Oh noes don't kill me big strong Chosen man." And I'll be alls like "I'm sorry baby, but that's how I rolls." Word.

Wow... I'm the whitest man ever. Either that or you just got served... It's the latter right? I hope it's the latter. I'm not very good at this whole "Smack Talk" thing. Ok well... I think you got the point. Just so we are clear, I was saying that you, The Warrior Priest, would not fair well against me, The Chosen, in open combat due to me being awesome and not a sissy healer type. So... uh... burn. Yeah....

So... this is a bit akward now... just kinda... standin' around... waitin' for... somethin'... I guess I'll head back over to the Chosen forum... I'll catch you guys later. With an axe in the face! Aaah I'm just kiddin' you guys are all right... alright I'll see you later.

*Tromps off the the Chosen Forums*


Note: I've been watching WAY to much family guy recently.

[Amar]

I'd say the pics that have been going around of WP in-game is Tier 3 tops (hopefully), it doesn't look bad but if it is T4 it could look a lot cooler like some of the Concept arts.

For example this looks like Tier 1 - Concept arthttp://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_12.jpg

This looks like Tier 2 - Concept Art http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_14.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_14.jpg)

This looks like Tier 3 - Concept arthttp://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_15.jpg

This looks like Tier 4 - Concept art http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/WarriorPriest02_03.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/WarriorPriest02_03.jpg)(notice the band around his head)

[Quickfoot]

I'd say the pics that have been going around of WP in-game is Tier 3 tops (hopefully), it doesn't look bad but if it is T4 it could look a lot cooler like some of the Concept arts.

For example this looks like Tier 1 - Concept arthttp://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_12.jpg

This looks like Tier 2 - Concept Art http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_14.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_14.jpg)

This looks like Tier 3 - Concept arthttp://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/WARca0207_15.jpg

This looks like Tier 4 - Concept art http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/WarriorPriest02_03.jpg (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/WarriorPriest02_03.jpg)(notice the band around his head)
For some reason there is somethinga bout the Tier 1 that i just love. If i could i would keep it through all 4 tiers. I don't know why.

[Cain]

I'm glad they aren't really flashy, they look like experienced veterans and blind-faith crusaders, which I think is great.

I haven't seen a warrior priest armor sketch that I haven't liked

[Orkz R Us]

i think all of the tiers for warrior priests look excellent, i cant wait to smash u guys up on the battlefield with my tier 1-4 gear! u guys might look better than me, but i will still kill you:D