Forming Guild : Praetorian

[Ravana]

Well to start off with i guess i'll introduce myself. I'm 20 years old, fan of both WHFB and 40k, and i study history and i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes).

Now from what i've gathered about WO:AoR , they've said that guilds WILL be available to create. Now i'm just curious, but i thought that perhaps there may be other people who find this a possible idea.

Now if Karl Franz is the current emporer, then perhaps he is in need of an elite fighting force. In ancient rome, Augustus Caesar needed one as well, and he formed the Praetorian Guard.

I figured the same could be done here. I'm not sure if the idea is sound, perhaps it would seem a little out of place to have a recreation of the Praetorians, even if they were the most well disciplined fighting force, that perhaps their tactics would be useless in an MMO. (unless the guys developing Warhammer Online actually decide to implement the idea of 'units and regiments working together' (which i doubt people will anyway))

Anyway, it would require alot of teamwork, since thats what the Praetorians relied on in order to kill the gauls and barbarians of the north (they're comparable to orcs !).

If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, and is interested in joining and helping me realise this dream, whenever WO comes out, then please list interest here !

FOR THE EMPORER !!

[Arizen]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but that quote in your sig is not original... Some historian or other was quoted to say "Heavy rains pretty generally fall after important events."

And I personally fail to see the point of making a guild pre-launch, because you simply won't know the skill of the people you're recruiting, or how they'll react to things in-game.

[Ravana]

Hmmmmm yea guess your right. A major let down, but better now then later. :(

Not the best way to break into the warhammer online forums :'(

[Arizen]

*pat*

Don't worry man, it's all good. :)

[Flegler]

Now if Karl Franz is the current emporer, then perhaps he is in need of an elite fighting force. In ancient rome, Augustus Caesar needed one as well, and he formed the Praetorian Guard.FOR THE EMPORER !!
The Reiksguard Knights are the Emperor's personal bodyguard/private army, so I guess they'd be the Warhammer equivalent of the Praetorian Guard.

Sadly, you won't be able to play the Reiksguard in WAR.

[Krulltak]

Last I checked, this was not the guild recruitment section, and last I checked, emperor is spelled as I have just spelt it.

Anyway, it would require alot of teamwork, since thats what the Praetorians relied on in order to kill the gauls and barbarians of the north (they're comparable to orcs !).


Actually, the barbaric maurader tribes of men and beastmen are what is comparable to real life ancient barbarians, except with Chaos powers.

Because ancient barbarians were not 500 pound monsters with 12 foot leaders and carried weapons that a human would struggle to lift with two hands. Ancient Germanic tribes were not a bunch of warmongering, vile, and inhumane beasts like the orcs are, because they were human and had human culture.

[Vikingkingq]

Well to start off with i guess i'll introduce myself. I'm 20 years old, fan of both WHFB and 40k, and i study history and i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes).

Now from what i've gathered about WO:AoR , they've said that guilds WILL be available to create. Now i'm just curious, but i thought that perhaps there may be other people who find this a possible idea.

Now if Karl Franz is the current emporer, then perhaps he is in need of an elite fighting force. In ancient rome, Augustus Caesar needed one as well, and he formed the Praetorian Guard.

I figured the same could be done here. I'm not sure if the idea is sound, perhaps it would seem a little out of place to have a recreation of the Praetorians, even if they were the most well disciplined fighting force, that perhaps their tactics would be useless in an MMO. (unless the guys developing Warhammer Online actually decide to implement the idea of 'units and regiments working together' (which i doubt people will anyway))

Anyway, it would require alot of teamwork, since thats what the Praetorians relied on in order to kill the gauls and barbarians of the north (they're comparable to orcs !).

If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, and is interested in joining and helping me realise this dream, whenever WO comes out, then please list interest here !

FOR THE EMPORER !!

1. Emperor, not Emporer.
2. The Praetorian Guard were bodyguards, not a super-elite fighting force of the Empire. They stayed in Rome for the most part, and would rarely have fought Gauls (who by the time of the Empire were romanized) or Goths (who were more eastern than northern, in relation to the Empire).
3. There is already a guild subforum, and using Roman-style organization is not a new idea.
4. The Reiksguard is the Emperor's bodyguard.

[Ravana]

OMFG ! MY FIRST POST IN THE WARHAMMER ONLINE FORUMS AND I'VE GOT EVERY MONGREL UNDER THE SUN CRITISIZING WHAT I SAY ! Screw it ! If this is what kinda people are going to be playing in the game, then i dont want in. It'll be just like WoW, full of nitpicky stuck ups who think the sun shines out of their arse.

Forget i ever said anything.

[Flegler]

Bloody hell mate, relax. People are perfectly entitled not to like your idea and nobody's going to check your post count so they can make allowances if you're new.

[KroqGar]

OMFG ! MY FIRST POST IN THE WARHAMMER ONLINE FORUMS AND I'VE GOT EVERY MONGREL UNDER THE SUN CRITISIZING WHAT I SAY ! Screw it ! If this is what kinda people are going to be playing in the game, then i dont want in. It'll be just like WoW, full of nitpicky stuck ups who think the sun shines out of their arse.

Forget i ever said anything.

Hehe, he thinks this is flaming.

Poor little muffin, tell me when you want some real criticism. Until then, just take it in stride, buddy.

[Alexande]

Actually, it's a better idea than many the guilds over in the Adept Alliances (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20) section. That's where these kind of posts should be made. Best of luck to you.

[Scion]

He does have a point, this is how the WoW forums started off. People being overly serious, more than a little self-righteous in their criticisms, posting facts that nobody cares about and everyone knows. If you dont have anything constructive to say, dont post at all please, the one receiving the criticism is the one who decides whether it is constructive or not.

Oh and FYI, if you cant self-correct misspellings and bad grammar when you read then you likely have 10 IQ points below the one who made them.

[Ravana]

It's really friggin sad. I try to break into this forum for a game thats got everyone whos into warhammer talking, and i get friggin SLAMMED by a bunch of overly critical people about history, grammar, my idea for a guidl, and anything else they can pick up on. Instead of saying 'hi welcome to the forum', like most NICE forums do, you totally slam the friggin door in my face.

I hope this isnt any indication of what you people are going to be like in the game. You'd think that all of us having the common interest that is warhammer would mean we'd all get along, but nooooooooooo, you all have to act all big n bad and pick on new people to make yourselves feel better. You'll probably laugh and slam me for even saying this, but i dont care because its true.

Admin feel free to close this thread before it gets out of hand. I've said what i've had to say.

[Oasis]

uh..hm..well..hey! welcome to the forums! hope you enjoy your stay in the forums!..i guess.

Also dude not every single person is an and actually not even 1/4 of this forum is. But a lot of people are picky here...and yea so just gotta do what i do...smile and nod;)

[Dabigbom]

Firstly, THE BRIGHT COLLEGE WELCOMES YOU TO THE WHA FORUMS!

Secondly, OMFG ! MY FIRST POST IN THE WARHAMMER ONLINE FORUMS AND I'VE GOT EVERY MONGREL UNDER THE SUN CRITISIZING WHAT I SAY ! Screw it ! If this is what kinda people are going to be playing in the game, then i dont want in. It'll be just like WoW, full of nitpicky stuck ups who think the sun shines out of their arse.

Forget i ever said anything. This won't get you nowhere pal. You wanna know why? This clearly suggests that you are acting immoral and that is a no no behiaviour. And yes this is WoW behaviour, which will most probably get you a nice good kick or ban.

Thirdly, if you have questions about Warhammer Online then please check the official site (www.warhammeronline.com) or this (http://www.war-rvr.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=142&Itemid=31) comprehensive guide for more details.

Fourthly, stop whining and fight for your opinion WITH MEASURE !

Fifthly, your guild ideea is ok, but you need some polish if you want to get a good handful of skilled members or "proud historians" such as yourself.

Hope you stick around with WHA.

p.s I don't quite get this one. since thats what the Praetorians relied on in order to kill the gauls and barbarians of the north (they're comparable to orcs !).

1. You've played a lot of Praetorians (Pyro Studios RTS game) and that has clouded your judgement.
2. Gauls and Barbarians of the North are comparable to the Hordes of Chaos! Not Orcs! I thought you said you were a WFB lore connoisseur!

[Esraymuk]

Coming from a neutral point of view, I have to say that if you cannot take constructive criticisim without getting all offended, you don't have much being successful in any field of life, not just starting a guild.

These people arn't flaming you or insulting you; they are merely trying to help you improve your idea. You can't possibly expect people to take you seriously if you reject even the most simple advice, such as posting this in the correct forum, for example.

[Kai-Tehemundi]

It's really friggin sad. I try to break into this forum for a game thats got everyone whos into warhammer talking, and i get friggin SLAMMED by a bunch of overly critical people about history, grammar, my idea for a guidl, and anything else they can pick up on. Instead of saying 'hi welcome to the forum', like most NICE forums do, you totally slam the friggin door in my face.

I hope this isnt any indication of what you people are going to be like in the game. You'd think that all of us having the common interest that is warhammer would mean we'd all get along, but nooooooooooo, you all have to act all big n bad and pick on new people to make yourselves feel better. You'll probably laugh and slam me for even saying this, but i dont care because its true.

Admin feel free to close this thread before it gets out of hand. I've said what i've had to say.

Not to be mean, but suck it up. If you have an idea and people don't like it, whining isn't going to get the idea any further. Without resolve your idea will fail before it begins.

[Ravana]

Okay to all those who are questioning me.

1. Imperial Praetorians, as the guild WOULD be known as, wouldn't need to have a TOTAL understanding of how the praetorians foguht in battle, but the general idea that you need to fight as a team in a guild, in order to beat the forces of chaos.

2. Gauls, Germanians being comparable to orcs, and now people think of them more like chaos. NO ! the CARTHAGINIANS were like Chaos. They had the feel of slannesh and khorne, in that they and sacrificed virgins to their god Baal, and had frequent executions to keep order.. The gauls and germanians were just a horde of rabble who ran amok in europe.

3. I am NOT whining. Well, not anymore anyway. I'll stand up for my opinions, but sure as sigmar i'm not going to argue over the net. Arguing over the net is like fighting as a flagellent. Even if you win, you're still a loser with a whipped hide.

4. I've studied ancient history and passed it in my HSC and now studying it at university. Don't both contradicting me on historical accuracy.

5. Thanks to Oasis and Dabigbom for welcoming me. At least you guys had the decency to show a common courtesy in forums, unlike others.... (*cough* Vikingkingq *cough* Flegler .)

6. Admins listening, you have a duty to ensure that WHA doesnt become like WoW forums. Thats why WoW is commonly referred to now as 'World of Whiners / Whingers / Wankers.' I suggest maintaining a degree of ...vigilance in these matters.


Thats all. I believe i've said what i've needed to say to restore my integrity.

[Dabigbom]

Edited cause' of double posting. DELETE this one plz.

[Dabigbom]

OK thanx man for the appreciation, but lets straighten some stuff up cause I am a bit confused.

1. Germanic tribes such as Gauls , Germanian tribes and such are depicted in the Warhammer Fantasy lore as Norscans who hail from Norsca, a land which fully resembles the Roman Era germanic tribes. Now, these Norscans are a part of the Chaos armies because of three things:

-They worship pagan and daemonic deities like Tzeentch,Khorne,Nurgle and Slaneesh.

-They are brutal and organised in hordes, much like the Hordes of Chaos.

-They openly and EXCATLY act as the germanic tribes of the Roman era. They pillage, loot, raze, burn, slay etc etc.

I am NOT whining. Well, not anymore anyway. I'll stand up for my opinions, but sure as sigmar i'm not going to argue over the net. Arguing over the net is like fighting as a flagellent. Even if you win, you're still a loser with a whipped hide.

2.Ahem. Flagellants aren't losers. I mean yeah sure they whip themselves now and then, but that makes them more cool IMO.


3.Ok and here are some tiny problems that I've noticed (hope you understand) :

a)Your knowledge in the Warhammer Lore is somewhat inaccurate. I don't mean to offend you man, but I suggest you download some WFB Army Books or why not the whole Warhammer Fantasy Role Play books and read them carefully for they contain a ton of information and details regarding lore.

6. Admins listening, you have a duty to ensure that WHA doesnt become like WoW forums. Thats why WoW is commonly referred to now as 'World of Whiners / Whingers / Wankers.' I suggest maintaining a degree of ...vigilance in these matters.

b)The admins only interfere in brash or near violent behaviour that would otherwise affect the stability of this community. In your previous statements you were acting exactly like those you hate most. Wankers.

Thats all. I believe i've said what i've needed to say to restore my integrity
c) No offense, but calm down and just enjoy the game images, interviews, videos, lore and trust me..you'll feel better and even get to keep your integrity with no damage whatsoever.

d)i study history and i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes).

Erm....so Plato borrowed your quote or is it vice versa? "My own quotes" sounds kind of....silly....

4. I've studied ancient history and passed it in my HSC and now studying it at university. Don't both contradicting me on historical accuracy.

Augustus Caesar? Wasn't that Julius Caesar? Don't quite know, but I'm definetly sure that Caesar became a sort of Imperator rank after Caesar's (Julius) assassination in the Roman Senate in 44 B.C.
And from what I know the Carthaginians were very well organised and their kingdom was quite prosperous and beautiful. I don't think you should compare the genius of Hannibal to that of a non existent character like Grimgor Ironclaw or even Tchar' tzanek :lol:. At least this is my opinion.

Peace and hope you enjoy staying with WHA.

[Arizen]

Praetorian, you're taking this a bit too hard, and Vikingkingq (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/member.php?u=2501) is actually correct. The Praetorians were actually bodyguards, not so much an army to field.

4. I've studied ancient history and passed it in my HSC and now studying it at university. Don't both contradicting me on historical accuracy.

6. Admins listening, you have a duty to ensure that WHA doesnt become like WoW forums. Thats why WoW is commonly referred to now as 'World of Whiners / Whingers / Wankers.' I suggest maintaining a degree of ...vigilance in these matters.



Now you just come off as arrogant.

[Ravana]

Praetorian, you're taking this a bit too hard, and Vikingkingq (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/member.php?u=2501) is actually correct. The Praetorians were actually bodyguards, not so much an army to field.




Now you just come off as arrogant.

*sighs* It doesn't look like either of us are going to come to some sort agreement on this particular topic. If you want to disagree with me fine, i'm beyond the point of bothering to argue. Like i said, arguing on the net is like fighting as a flagallent. Even if you win, you still get a whipping and you're still stark-raving mad. I'm going to be the bigger man and walk away from this one.


p.s, nice double post Dabigbom, lol.

[evanjellyman]

And I personally fail to see the point of making a guild pre-launch, because you simply won't know the skill of the people you're recruiting, or how they'll react to things in-game.

To have an organised fighting force ready for release, as well as constructing a good community for the game, its been done by plenty of people so far for good reason, If u want to make a guild, go for it, don't let little chickens tell u other wise.

Also welcome to the forums mate, but on a quick glance u have alot to learn about how things work here.
The only one who has "slammed the door" is you, because you seem incapable of taking any crtiticism. Take what you can and learn from it, and ignore the nit picky stuff, dotn spit the dummy and carry on like a 6 year old.

[Flegler]

5. Thanks to Oasis and Dabigbom for welcoming me. At least you guys had the decency to show a common courtesy in forums, unlike others.... (*cough* Vikingkingq *cough* Flegler .)
My initial response was plenty courteous, but the more you act the wounded martyr the less inclined I am to stay civil. Are you honestly offended by people saying things like "The Reiksguard are the warhammer equivalent of the Praetorian Guard" or "This post is in the wrong forum"? I'm amazed, frankly.

Oh, and don't write posts full of passive-aggressive jabs and wounded innocence and then bow out claiming to be "the bigger man".

[Ravana]

To have an organised fighting force ready for release, as well as constructing a good community for the game, its been done by plenty of people so far for good reason, If u want to make a guild, go for it, don't let little chickens tell u other wise.

Also welcome to the forums mate, but on a quick glance u have alot to learn about how things work here.
The only one who has "slammed the door" is you, because you seem incapable of taking any crtiticism. Take what you can and learn from it, and ignore the nit picky stuff, dotn spit the dummy and carry on like a 6 year old.

there is a fine line between criticism and blatant badgering. They crossed that line IMO. As for carrying on like a 6 year old, well, i admit i went a bit over the top, but live and learn eh? :mrgreen:

Let's all just put it behind us. If you're all going to carrying on and bear grudges, then i recommend the dwarf forums. Plenty of grudge-bearers there.

[Vikingkingq]

Okay to all those who are questioning me.

1. Imperial Praetorians, as the guild WOULD be known as, wouldn't need to have a TOTAL understanding of how the praetorians foguht in battle, but the general idea that you need to fight as a team in a guild, in order to beat the forces of chaos.

2. Gauls, Germanians being comparable to orcs, and now people think of them more like chaos. NO ! the CARTHAGINIANS were like Chaos. They had the feel of slannesh and khorne, in that they and sacrificed virgins to their god Baal, and had frequent executions to keep order.. The gauls and germanians were just a horde of rabble who ran amok in europe.

3. I am NOT whining. Well, not anymore anyway. I'll stand up for my opinions, but sure as sigmar i'm not going to argue over the net. Arguing over the net is like fighting as a flagellent. Even if you win, you're still a loser with a whipped hide.

4. I've studied ancient history and passed it in my HSC and now studying it at university. Don't both contradicting me on historical accuracy.

5. Thanks to Oasis and Dabigbom for welcoming me. At least you guys had the decency to show a common courtesy in forums, unlike others.... (*cough* Vikingkingq *cough* Flegler .)

6. Admins listening, you have a duty to ensure that WHA doesnt become like WoW forums. Thats why WoW is commonly referred to now as 'World of Whiners / Whingers / Wankers.' I suggest maintaining a degree of ...vigilance in these matters.


Thats all. I believe i've said what i've needed to say to restore my integrity.

Good god, man. We offer a few minor criticisms of a post that was, to be fair, misposted to begin with, and you react like it's some huge insult. Moreover, you're continuing to be wrong.

1. Fighting as a team is the basis of most guilds that you can find in our guild sub-forum. It's sort of a basic idea. My criticism was that, if you want to create a successful guild that will attract people, you need more to make it stand out from the others. Second, you're ignoring my point - the Praetorians, by and large, did not fight battles. They were a bodyguard of nine cohorts, three of whom guarded the emperor, and another six who guarded the emperor's family and their properties. They did not initially fight in battles, and were only gradually brought into service as such - in civil wars, and generally not against barbarians. As a military unit, their service was not particularly noteworthy, except for massive political intrigue and corruption, despite their better pay.

2. You can't make a direct historical connection between Warhammer Fantasy and history, because historical elements don't work always, especially since the setting is based on a very different time period/periods mixed together. The Chaos tribes, the Norse, the Kurgan, are modeled after real barbarian tribes, even though you want to compare them to the much more civilized Carthaginians - which especially doesn't work, since Chaos is not permanently defeatable, and the Carthaginians were. Raping/sacrificing virgins is a calumny not supported by history - the issue that they were reported for was the ritual sacrifice of children, although recent archaelogy has found little evidence to support this.
The Orks simply do not work, because they're asexual fungi from space modeled on soccer hooligans - they don't have Germanic names, they don't have Germanic language, etc.

3. Not only were you over-reacting to mild criticism, but you're continuing to do so in a really egregious fashion.

4. Congratulations. I'm a graduate student in history with a BA and an MA studying for my PhD. I work with people who do this for a living. Your attempts to portray yourself as an expert are rather thinly veiled, especially since this: "i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes)" is a blatant attempt to claim credit for existing works.

5. This is exactly what I was talking about in point 3. Backhanded passive-aggressive comments about what were well-intentioned minor criticisms is not showing common courtesy.

6. Calling down the moderators is a double-edged sword. Especially since, as I've suggested, your behavior here is not what one looks for in forum discussions.

A final postscript: this is not the kind of behavior we look for in applicants to the Altdorf First. You might want to reconsider your responses in the future if you don't want to make a bad reputation for yourself.

[Dabigbom]

Good god, man. We offer a few minor criticisms of a post that was, to be fair, misposted to begin with, and you react like it's some huge insult. Moreover, you're continuing to be wrong.

1. Fighting as a team is the basis of most guilds that you can find in our guild sub-forum. It's sort of a basic idea. My criticism was that, if you want to create a successful guild that will attract people, you need more to make it stand out from the others. Second, you're ignoring my point - the Praetorians, by and large, did not fight battles. They were a bodyguard of nine cohorts, three of whom guarded the emperor, and another six who guarded the emperor's family and their properties. They did not initially fight in battles, and were only gradually brought into service as such - in civil wars, and generally not against barbarians. As a military unit, their service was not particularly noteworthy, except for massive political intrigue and corruption, despite their better pay.

2. You can't make a direct historical connection between Warhammer Fantasy and history, because historical elements don't work always, especially since the setting is based on a very different time period/periods mixed together. The Chaos tribes, the Norse, the Kurgan, are modeled after real barbarian tribes, even though you want to compare them to the much more civilized Carthaginians - which especially doesn't work, since Chaos is not permanently defeatable, and the Carthaginians were. Raping/sacrificing virgins is a calumny not supported by history - the issue that they were reported for was the ritual sacrifice of children, although recent archaelogy has found little evidence to support this.
The Orks simply do not work, because they're asexual fungi from space modeled on soccer hooligans - they don't have Germanic names, they don't have Germanic language, etc.

3. Not only were you over-reacting to mild criticism, but you're continuing to do so in a really egregious fashion.

4. Congratulations. I'm a graduate student in history with a BA and an MA studying for my PhD. I work with people who do this for a living. Your attempts to portray yourself as an expert are rather thinly veiled, especially since this: "i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes)" is a blatant attempt to claim credit for existing works.

5. This is exactly what I was talking about in point 3. Backhanded passive-aggressive comments about what were well-intentioned minor criticisms is not showing common courtesy.

6. Calling down the moderators is a double-edged sword. Especially since, as I've suggested, your behavior here is not what one looks for in forum discussions.

A final postscript: this is not the kind of behavior we look for in applicants to the Altdorf First. You might want to reconsider your responses in the future if you don't want to make a bad reputation for yourself.

Quoted For Truth.

Praetorian, please stop this before you make your rep on these forums even worse. Just walk away dude....

[Oasis]

Good god, man. We offer a few minor criticisms of a post that was, to be fair, misposted to begin with, and you react like it's some huge insult. Moreover, you're continuing to be wrong.

1. Fighting as a team is the basis of most guilds that you can find in our guild sub-forum. It's sort of a basic idea. My criticism was that, if you want to create a successful guild that will attract people, you need more to make it stand out from the others. Second, you're ignoring my point - the Praetorians, by and large, did not fight battles. They were a bodyguard of nine cohorts, three of whom guarded the emperor, and another six who guarded the emperor's family and their properties. They did not initially fight in battles, and were only gradually brought into service as such - in civil wars, and generally not against barbarians. As a military unit, their service was not particularly noteworthy, except for massive political intrigue and corruption, despite their better pay.

2. You can't make a direct historical connection between Warhammer Fantasy and history, because historical elements don't work always, especially since the setting is based on a very different time period/periods mixed together. The Chaos tribes, the Norse, the Kurgan, are modeled after real barbarian tribes, even though you want to compare them to the much more civilized Carthaginians - which especially doesn't work, since Chaos is not permanently defeatable, and the Carthaginians were. Raping/sacrificing virgins is a calumny not supported by history - the issue that they were reported for was the ritual sacrifice of children, although recent archaelogy has found little evidence to support this.
The Orks simply do not work, because they're asexual fungi from space modeled on soccer hooligans - they don't have Germanic names, they don't have Germanic language, etc.

3. Not only were you over-reacting to mild criticism, but you're continuing to do so in a really egregious fashion.

4. Congratulations. I'm a graduate student in history with a BA and an MA studying for my PhD. I work with people who do this for a living. Your attempts to portray yourself as an expert are rather thinly veiled, especially since this: "i consider myself something of a philosopher (my sig here is one of many of my own quotes)" is a blatant attempt to claim credit for existing works.

5. This is exactly what I was talking about in point 3. Backhanded passive-aggressive comments about what were well-intentioned minor criticisms is not showing common courtesy.

6. Calling down the moderators is a double-edged sword. Especially since, as I've suggested, your behavior here is not what one looks for in forum discussions.

A final postscript: this is not the kind of behavior we look for in applicants to the Altdorf First. You might want to reconsider your responses in the future if you don't want to make a bad reputation for yourself.

1.ah like i said, even though this is the truth people here are picky about almost everything you can think of.

2.Altdorf First?!?! empire guild??! Praetorian join the destruction side!....we got cookies!...oh yea and a free salad bar.

[KroqGar]

2.Altdorf First?!?! empire guild??! Praetorian join the destruction side!....we got cookies!...oh yea and a free salad bar.

The reason Viking added this was because Praetorian posted in our guild thread that he was considering joining us.

[Arizen]

To have an organised fighting force ready for release, as well as constructing a good community for the game, its been done by plenty of people so far for good reason, If u want to make a guild, go for it, don't let little chickens tell u other wise.

Hm there is that, I suppose. But how would one know how good the player is if there is no game to test him?

The reason Viking added this was because Praetorian posted in our guild thread that he was considering joining us.

Oh, that's quite ironic.

[evanjellyman]

Hm there is that, I suppose. But how would one know how good the player is if there is no game to test him?



Why not try testing them out in some other MMO's if u really want to ...guildwars, shadowbane watever.
But youd be suprised how much you can tell about a person just from talking to them alot.


Also like I said, sometimes the reason for a guild is not to totally pwn, its to have fun, so its more important that you get along with your guild members, your play style and tactics can come with practise.

[Ravana]

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[KroqGar]

I got better treatment in WoW forums. Why don't the lot of you try learning a bit of forgiveness?

If you hate it so much here, why do you stick around?

[Ravana]

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[KroqGar]

Well, not to push you to greater limits of rule breaking, but that post probably would get you a few infraction points anyways.

[Arizen]

See, the reason you keep getting 'blasted' is that you act so condescending. Personally, I was kinda with you until you just blew up. Then you just acted like a stuck-up, I'm-better-than-you kinda guy.

Even as you try to close the discussion, you put a barb in. I don't speak for everyone else, but that self-righteous tone just annoys me to no end.

That's quite true, I suppose. You do play games to have fun, not necessarily to win, though winning is fun too... Even better if you can do it with people you can have fun with.

[Scion]

Reported. I hope you're happy everyone, you've proved that idiots can argue with idiots.

[Garthilk]

Next time,

Folks, just hit report post and leave it be. The folks antagonizing people into breaking the rules are just as bad as the trolls themselves IMO and in the future, will be treated accordingly.

Locking.