Who is the strongest character in Warhammer? [Possible Novel Spoilers]

[DarkZeal]

I wanna know. I heard the Void Dragon is in 40k, but what's in fantasy?

[Orangexplosion]

Venerable Lord Kroak is probably the most powerful character. When he was alive he could move continents, body slam mountains, make a mighty fine sammich - you name it. He's dead now, but still a certified badass.

Other really powerful characters are Archaon, Lord of the End Times, Zacharias the Everliving, and Malekith. Tyrion and Teclis are also some sort of badass, and I wouldn't pass over Grimgor Ironhide.

Speaking of fluff alone, Nagash is one mean mofo. Created necromancy, spawned the vampires, wiped out an entire civilization, etc etc.

[Guardian]

Cynathair is quite powerful the Asrai have killed him a few times but he always comes back :(

Ariel is very powerful as well and so is Orion, in fluff anyways :p

[Warmaster tibs]

The chaos Gods:p

For real people though (chaos gods being entities in the warp) I would say the slaan are the strongest there is. They are the most powerfull magical casters in the world and the chosen of the Old Ones.

[Maximilian]

it would probably go like this if you go just on miniatures that have ever been usable.

1. Nagash
2. Venerable Lord Kroak
3. Archaon=/=Valten (kinda a tie there)
4. Melekith
5. Orion, King of the Woods


If you are going on non playable beings and such then yeah, the chaos gods, the Elven gods, the Old Ones, and so forth.

[Seductivpancakes]

I would say Archaon, but Grimgor Ironhide is the coolest.

[Monatu]

In terms of stats/rules Archaon and Vampire Lords are pretty f$#@ing badass

[Aeviryn]

Lord Mazdamundi is pretty powerful. 2nd Generation Slann with powerful geomancy that rides a Stegadon.

[Sindriss]

A slann arch magepriest would be #1 in terms of gameplay, or Lord Kroak as mentioned above. But most good picks have already been mentioned so just wanted to support the slanns.

[sevensided]

Galrauch- First of the Chaos Dragons, perhaps?

[Athenys]

As far as magic-users go:

1. Venerable Lord Kroak
2. Mazdamundi
3. Nagash
4. Teclis
5. Malekith (Zacharias the Everliving is really close though...)

[Abzadrael]

Nagash is probably one of the most powerful casters in the Warhammer world, minus the fact that the first generation of vampires failed miserably and were nearly wiped out multiple times by the original inhabitants of Khemri, who are now the Tomb Kings.

Valten is (was, maybe still is) incredibly powerful, and Archaeon took like 3/4 powerful people to take down.

I can't remember the name of the wussy High Elf who took the Sword of Khaine into battle, but he's probably the only High Elf leader worth mentioning in all of their lore, minus the current one.

Oh, and the Void Dragon is the best, as if I'm thinking of the right thing, isnt he one of the Necron Gods that is still dormant and worshiped by the Machine-Cult of mars as the "Machine Spirit"?

[xceptionzero]

Aenarion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Elves_(Warhammer)

The first and only to draw the Sword of Khaine, fell in battle mortally wounded after defeating 4 greater demons.
Which is no mean task.

Although as not beign a table top playable character for high elves gonna have to stick with Tyrion, who actually wears Aenarions armour(which has some uber stats)

[Yojinj]

All time Nagash fan here, got a 10k army undead army with Nagash at the helm. Good times before the undead became vampire centered, at least Khemri gave the undead some dignity back, just loving most of the khemri designs.

[Soulsmith]

Id say by Lore it would now be Mazdamundi, since Nagash is yet to be physical again, and Kroak is dead. His spirit must stay with the body, and he cant move himself with his mind anymore.

Archaon was defeated and is probably now a mindless spawn.

Valten is dead (damn clan Eshin)

Grimgor Ironhide is pretty hardcore

I would like to roll with either Grombrindal the white dwarf (he is supposedly invincible)

And the only problem with Ariel and Orion is that they are basically wood spirits anymore. They are only around for about 9 months.

[Calelith]

Sigmar

He has and would own everyone :D.

I cant think of any other mortal that has done what he has done, and killed what he has killed and then become a god.

Sigmar FTW.


As for living:

Teclis and Tyrion are pretty badass in their respective fields, Karl Franz has done some badass things in his time, no such thing as a champion among chaos as non of them have succeeded, the big ork badasses in WAR are pretty powerful but then again they have talismens to up them so maybe.

But the most powerful at the moment is Gotrek, hes slain greaterdeamons, giants, hordes of everything and has yet to fall, and Felix is pretty awesome for a normal human.

[Baron Khaine]

Oh, and the Void Dragon is the best, as if I'm thinking of the right thing, isnt he one of the Necron Gods that is still dormant and worshiped by the Machine-Cult of mars as the "Machine Spirit"?

He is the most powerful of the C'Tan, and yes, its pretty much a cert that he is the "Machine God", and that his stasis tomb is on Mars, which pretty much writes him all out of 40k Lore cos Mars will never get taken over by Necrons cos that would mean the Imperium would lose a large asset and then the Imperium would gets its intersteller handed to it. Hence ending the Space Marines and Imperial Guard, and 2 of the most profitable armies for Games Workshop.

So yes, the Void Dragon is the ultimate powerful bad mofo, but he can never be revealed, because he would signal the end of the 40k universe.

[Abzadrael]

Id say by Lore it would now be Mazdamundi, since Nagash is yet to be physical again, and Kroak is dead. His spirit must stay with the body, and he cant move himself with his mind anymore.

Archaon was defeated and is probably now a mindless spawn.

Valten is dead (damn clan Eshin)

Grimgor Ironhide is pretty hardcore

I would like to roll with either Grombrindal the white dwarf (he is supposedly invincible)

And the only problem with Ariel and Orion is that they are basically wood spirits anymore. They are only around for about 9 months.

Archaon is probably still alive and kicking, I mean look at the failure that is Abbaddon's Black Crusades.

[Monatu]

Archaon is probably still alive and kicking, I mean look at the failure that is Abbaddon's Black Crusades.

Didn't Archaon die when Destruction failed miserably in the Storm of Chaos however many years ago? Been a few years since Iv played TT / read white dwarf

[Kaarsa]

Crom the Conqueror > Grimgor Ironhide

[Vermin Lord]

Each army has at least one character that stands out for extreme badassery. And that's just talking about the playable ones.
I, for one, would nominate Deathmaster Snikch of Clan Eshin, the deadliest assassin ever. He once assassinated a dwarf thane in his room. Which was surrounded by guards, located inside a dwarf stronghold, had no windows, and was locked from the inside.

But seriously, if we continue with this route, this will tun into one of those Primarch discussions. :p

[Seductivpancakes]

I think Horus is the best.:)

[Mcgriddles]

Crom the Conqueror > Grimgor Ironhide


Well to be fair, they fought to a standstill. It was Crom's army that beat Grimgor's, IIRC Crom gave Grimgor the option to book it as he considered him a worthy opponent or something.

[Laser]

Sigmar

Man god FTW

[Duty]

Of all time: Lord Kroak, possibly Nagash
Living/Still a threat: Nagash, although it'll be a bit before he'll be back
Betta den all da others: Grimgore Ironhide


And Crom didn't defeat Grimgore at all. Grimgore had to retreat because his army was defeated. Grimgore waz about to beat dat spikey hummie 'cause hummies don't like to fight too long! Da spikey boy waz gassin' real 'ard out of his mouf!

[Vermin Lord]

Here's a feature that dealt with this question, back from White Dwarf 221, which was somewhere in 1998...

It was Called Arena of Death, and the idea was to pitch the most prominet of all races against each other to test which one was the strongest. They went through rounds eliminating each other, and the pairings were determined at random.
Also note: there wasn't a even number of characters to play with, so one spot was taken by a Bloodthirster of Khorne, for some vague reason...:???:

This is how it went:

Round One:
-Archaon, Lord of Chaos (this was before Storm of Chaos) vs. High King Thorgrim Grudgebearer
-Skarsnik, Warlord of the Eight peaks vs. Orion
-Deathmaster Snikch vs. Astragoth, High Priest of Hashut (some Chaos Dwarf dude no one remembers)
-Gorthor the Beastlord vs. Prince Tyrion
-Karl franz vs. Nagash
-Louen Leoncour vs. Venerable Lord Kroak
-Bloodthirster vs. Beastlord Rakarth (were the other Dark Elf characters on vacation?)
-Azhag the Slaughterer (orc big shot of the day) vs. Azazel, Prince of Damnation

Round Two:
-Archaon vs. Azazel
-Orion vs. Lord Kroak
-Snikch vs. Gorthor
-Nagash vs. Bloodthirster

Round Three:
Archaon vs. Bloodthirster
Snikch vs. Lord kroak

Big Finale:
Bloodthirster vs. Lord Kroak

The Winner:
Bloodthirster of Khorne! (which is not a special character)

I really wonder how something like that would go in these days....

[Kaarsa]

Well to be fair, they fought to a standstill. It was Crom's army that beat Grimgor's, IIRC Crom gave Grimgor the option to book it as he considered him a worthy opponent or something.


The point is this:

Crom fought Grimgor to a standstill while Crom's troops obliterated Grimgor's troops. Yes, according to the Lore, this was the 1st time Grimgor didn't WTFPwn anyone....he'd found his "Worthy Opponent". Given Crom + his remaining troops, Grimgor would've undoubtedly have died that day.

[Gothics]

Who are the five best characters in Warhammer?

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan

Actually, I'm suprised no one said Karl Franz w/Hammer. Didn't he have a TT ability to replace all of his stats with 10...long, long ago?

[Seductivpancakes]

The point is this:

Crom fought Grimgor to a standstill while Crom's troops obliterated Grimgor's troops. Yes, according to the Lore, this was the 1st time Grimgor didn't WTFPwn anyone....he'd found his "Worthy Opponent". Given Crom + his remaining troops, Grimgor would've undoubtedly have died that day.
We couldn't possibly know that. After all Crom is a warrior. He would want to fight Grimgor one on one to test their own martial prowess as well as to determine who was the best. I think Crom would be most displeased if his men interfered. No doubt that Grimgor lost that battle but his personal confrontation with Crom was far from over.

[Tatu]

going strictly by tabletop characters in 6th edition,

archaon, malekith, lord kroak, zacharias the everliving, some random bloodthirster -- no particular order. Many come close, but the sheer amount of stuff these guys can do to affect a large-scale battle (3000pt + games) is incredible.

from story/fluff: nagash, sigmar, be'lakor in his prime, lord kroak, aenarion with the sword of khaine --- are all pretty laughably OP.

[Rishna]

I wanna know. I heard the Void Dragon is in 40k, but what's in fantasy?

I would think Orion. I love those Wood Elves



Orion, King in the Woods
The immortal Consort King of Athel Loren, Orion is the rampaging avatar of the elf god Kurnous. He is a terrifying sight to behold, standing over ten feet tall and his green skin ripples with muscle. Although he must die each winter, he is reborn each spring.

[Dis]

Strongest?
Suicide Bomber Gobins.

[kir]

malekith is quite strong himself, since he can walk warp and survive. also, has a load of magic items, powerful sorcerer and combat lord. I just dont get why he doesnt just take his dragon, goes to isle of dead, and gets the sword of khaine.Or, for that matter, dissolves the lodestones.<- would be a fun event to watch :P delfs ally with chaos once more, and the good guys are majorly screwed since the world floods with demons once again. If malky has the sword of khaine, even worse. Only they cant do that bcuz of continuity.A campaign for it would pwn tho:P

[Tatu]

Malekith is just like a shakespearian tragic hero -- his hubris is a mighty force. He probably won't pick up the sword of khaine, out of some irrational sense of thought that has no bearing on reality.

The sword has a will of its own, too -- maybe it refused to allow Malekith to draw it from its altar. It might be that the sword refuses to be weilded by Malekith in fear that it wouldn't be able to exert any influence or even corruption over a will as iron-hard as Malekith's.

Also, the sword of khaine is a misnomer. To some, it manifests itself as a sword. It is said that Malekith did once arrive at its altar - and saw the weapon to be a scepter fitted for his hand. Why he didn't pick it up is anyone's guess. I think that in his pride, he felt the sword was beneath him, and would only be an irritation to him that seeks to undermine his power.

[Lakevren]

Seems that not many are mentioning Aenarion, Teclis, Caledor Dragontamer, and Tyrion.

And also, didn't Teclis almost just annihilate Malekith?

[Laser]

They all pale in significance compared to the might and awesomeness of either the common or garden skavern slave #12 or...








Paul Barnett

[Veilside]

For mellee I'd definitely say the Keeper of Secrets would be pretty BA.
If they've still got the Musk of Slaanesh ability in the new army book that is.

Oh, and Be'lakor is definitely a BAMF, first mortal to become a deamon and all.

[Calelith]

Who are the five best characters in Warhammer?

1. Dylan
2. Dylan
3. Dylan
4. Dylan
5. Dylan

Actually, I'm suprised no one said Karl Franz w/Hammer. Didn't he have a TT ability to replace all of his stats with 10...long, long ago?

I said Karl :(

Seems that not many are mentioning Aenarion, Teclis, Caledor Dragontamer, and Tyrion.

And also, didn't Teclis almost just annihilate Malekith?

Yea Teclis 1 shotted the witch king, where do yuo thnik the saying 'Boom Heashot' came from?

As for Malekith not picking up the Sword, i always imagine it to be either linked to the fact that he got burned by the flames (in both senses lol) and as such was shunned by the Elven gods, or something akin the anakin from star wars where he is more armour than elf and as such might not be able to use the sword.

[Soulsmith]

Im gonna roll with grombrindal the white dwarf carried on shield by bugman and gotrek

That actually has rules. They each have separate attacks and bugman can heal them with beer.

[Kaarsa]

We couldn't possibly know that. After all Crom is a warrior. He would want to fight Grimgor one on one to test their own martial prowess as well as to determine who was the best. I think Crom would be most displeased if his men interfered. No doubt that Grimgor lost that battle but his personal confrontation with Crom was far from over.

No matter how it's spun, both Grimgor and Crom were some whoop-arse characters. Fought for hours, still no clear victor. Would be one of those fights that might've lasted forever if they decided to do it.

[Dis]

The Time of Legends series of novels:

Heldenhammer (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281044&type=Book)
Nagash the Sorcerer (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281053&type=Book)
Malekith (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281059&type=Book)

I hope an Omnibus comes out soon.

[Seductivpancakes]

I honestly think Crom would have won in the end though. After all his rules are kinda of amazing. Kinda of.

[Robglobgubob]

I think Horus is the best.:)

:mad:

HORUS IS A CLOWN!!! The Russ would have stomped him single handedly if he was at Terra during the battle!!!

[ShinMaruku]

Anerion is Malekitchs father and his desecendants are still topping the elves, I'd dare say He'd be behind the Frogman and Nagash.

[Abzadrael]

:mad:

HORUS IS A CLOWN!!! The Russ would have stomped him single handedly if he was at Terra during the battle!!!


Sanguinius would have butchered him if he had been fresh, but instead Horus went after him after Sang. had been fighting for hours upon hours, even shattering a Bloodthristers spine over his knee.

[sevensided]

Sanguinius would have butchered him if he had been fresh, but instead Horus went after him after Sang. had been fighting for hours upon hours, even shattering a Bloodthristers spine over his knee.


Which begs the question, why wasn't the Emperor able to demolish Horus after Horus fought El Sang for so long?

Down with the false Emperor!

[Julius]

Im gonna roll with grombrindal the white dwarf carried on shield by bugman and gotrek

That actually has rules. They each have separate attacks and bugman can heal them with beer.


Most ridiculous model ever that was.

But uhm, grombrindal would probably be the most badass on his own anyway.

[Athenys]

Anerion is Malekiths father and his descendants are still topping the elves, I'd dare say He'd be behind the Frogman and Nagash.

I think you are underestimating both. Nagash he could take on physically but there is a high possibility that Nagash could finish him off before he got too close. A souped-up Slann? That's such an unfair fight it's sad, Kroak or Mazdamundi could kill Aenarion by just *thinking* hard enough :rolleyes:. Teclis got a severe brainmatisim when he saw the extent of their magical abilities. Aenarion was a superelf thanks to the fact that he was an avatar of Asuryan (and Khaine to a lesser extent) but his body was still more susceptible to trauma than some vampires for example. Without divine intervention even powerful elves are somewhat squishy...

[Seductivpancakes]

Which begs the question, why wasn't the Emperor able to demolish Horus after Horus fought El Sang for so long?

Down with the false Emperor!
Because he still loves son. I seriously doubt he was like the Hulk were he had to get angry but taking punishment to summon all his might to smite Horus.

When you think about it, it's all the Emperor's fault. If only he spent more time with his son.

[ShinMaruku]

I think you are underestimating both. Nagash he could take on physically but there is a high possibility that Nagash could finish him off before he got too close. A souped-up Slann? That's such an unfair fight it's sad, Kroak or Mazdamundi could kill Aenarion by just *thinking* hard enough :rolleyes:. Teclis got a severe brainmatisim when he saw the extent of their magical abilities. Aenarion was a superelf thanks to the fact that he was an avatar of Asuryan (and Khaine to a lesser extent) but his body was still more susceptible to trauma than some vampires for example. Without divine intervention even powerful elves are somewhat squishy...

Which is why I put them infront of him, those fights would be quite unfair as Nagash and Kroak are just so crazy powerful.

[MightyAl]

Because he still loves son. I seriously doubt he was like the Hulk were he had to get angry but taking punishment to summon all his might to smite Horus.

When you think about it, it's all the Emperor's fault. If only he spent more time with his son.
This. Even while Horus was overrunning Mars and the Lunar colonies, the Emperor was unable to comprehend that he was truly being betrayed by his favoured 'son'. He even harboured hope that he would be able to 'turn' Horus back(rather like Pluke does with Vader, I suppose), up until he lay mortally wounded, and finally realised that he must destroy he who he loved most, above all others, in order to save what he could of himself, and human civilisation.

[Captbigbeard]

Kroak, the slann were mini-gods, and he's the strongest remaining one...

Come on, a giant obese dead frog! What could possibly be stronger?

Allot of people are throwing Teclis on their list, remember, Gotrek is his equal. But niether should be in the top 5, and maybe not in the top 10.

[Maximilian]

The Time of Legends series of novels:

Heldenhammer (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281044&type=Book)
Nagash the Sorcerer (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281053&type=Book)
Malekith (http://www.blacklibrary.com/product.asp?prod=60100281059&type=Book)

I hope an Omnibus comes out soon.

Heldenhammer is actually part of the Sigmar trilogy. The other two are separate novels. The novels are set in the "Time of Legends"

[slappy]

In terms of strength I would have to say Ogres, adding in weapons and magic is power not really straight up strength. So since an Ogre Tyrant can wrestle down a damn GIANT with his bear hands, Tradelord Greasus Tribestealer Drakecrush Hoardmaster Goldtooth the SHockingly Obese, The OVERTYRANT of the Ogre Kingdom, may well be the actual strongest mortal/humanoid in aspect to physical strength.

Yes he may be insanely obese, but only a fool mistakes an ogre for for fat.

[Julius]

In terms of strength I would have to say Ogres, adding in weapons and magic is power not really straight up strength. So since an Ogre Tyrant can wrestle down a damn GIANT with his bear hands, Tradelord Greasus Tribestealer Drakecrush Hoardmaster Goldtooth the SHockingly Obese, The OVERTYRANT of the Ogre Kingdom, may well be the actual strongest mortal/humanoid in aspect to physical strength.

Yes he may be insanely obese, but only a fool mistakes an ogre for for fat.

Can he wrestle down a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth?:p

Also Lord Kroak is so amazing. Ruination of Cities is seriously powerfull. (2D6 strenght 5 hits in a 2D6" radius.)

[Calelith]

Which begs the question, why wasn't the Emperor able to demolish Horus after Horus fought El Sang for so long?

Down with the false Emperor!

Because he still believed his son could be saved, and remember he 1 shotted horus even with his body been half dead, if the emperor wanted to he could have made horus beat himself up :D

[Hellzbellz]

Venerable Lord Kroak is probably the most powerful character. When he was alive he could move continents, body slam mountains, make a mighty fine sammich - you name it. He's dead now, but still a certified badass.

Other really powerful characters are Archaon, Lord of the End Times, Zacharias the Everliving, and Malekith. Tyrion and Teclis are also some sort of badass, and I wouldn't pass over Grimgor Ironhide.

Speaking of fluff alone, Nagash is one mean mofo. Created necromancy, spawned the vampires, wiped out an entire civilization, etc etc.

Its Venerable Lord Kroak, without a doubt. But as I've said time and time again Grimgor smashed Archaon. Hes stonger.

[Astragoth]

I'll have to vote for Astragoth, high priest of Hashut for sentimental reasons.

[Spitefool]

In terms of sheer power, it would likely be Kroak. But does anything truly compare to the awesomeness that is Deathmaster Snikch? The only people that could really beat the skaven are technically dead already, and hence can't be assassinated. :p

[Kazindir]

Nagash.

Because for all intents and purposes, he is immortal and effectively a god anyway. :p

Sure he can be defeated but he keeps coming back - he's like the Mum-Ra of Warhammer. :D

[Guardian]

Nagash.

Because for all intents and purposes, he is immortal and effectively a god anyway. :p

Sure he can be defeated but he keeps coming back - he's like the Mum-Ra of Warhammer. :D
It's the same with Cynathair :(

[Abzadrael]

Which begs the question, why wasn't the Emperor able to demolish Horus after Horus fought El Sang for so long?

Down with the false Emperor!


=p

The Emperor refused to believe that Horus was truly "Chaos" and it took Horus beating him to the verge of death and watching Horus vaporize a loyalist terminator with less then a blink of an eye to make the Emperor realize his son was gone.

In one fell physic blast the Emperor purged Horus from this world, literally sending the 4 chaos gods screaming from Horus' in fear.

[Draeth]

Gotta be Nagash.

The only reason that anyone needs is...

They don't have shotguns so they cannot stop the Zombie Apocalypse!

[Nathar]

Currently Mazdamundi. He can move bloody continents around. He's to blame for the destruction of a large number of dwarven cities when he tried to move some continents around to better match what he thought the old ones would've wanted.

If you count ever, it's gotta be kroak. I don't care how powerful Nagash is (and that's VERY powerful), but he couldn't possible have defended himself against such a large quantity of greater daemons as kroak did.

[Hellzbellz]

currently mazdamundi. He can move bloody continents around. He's to blame for the destruction of a large number of dwarven cities when he tried to move some continents around to better match what he thought the old ones would've wanted.

If you count ever, it's gotta be kroak. I don't care how powerful nagash is (and that's very powerful), but he couldn't possible have defended himself against such a large quantity of greater daemons as kroak did.

yes! Yes! Yes!

[Veldrik]

Fluff wise:
40k: Star child
2nd -5th ed WHFB: Star child (because he's more powerful than the "chaos gods" and old ones combined)

Playable characters
40k: Haven't decided
4thed-5thed: Aekold Helbrass (he might not do much damage {str 5/6, + two handed sword} but he can't ever die :) and also makes flowers. Any character that has flowers is awesome, especially for a Tzeentch one.

there was also a 4th ed character who was possibly one of my favourites.
He's meant to be one of the oldest chaos champions (or THE oldest) in WHFB, and was cursed to wander around forever, also non-dying, and he also followed no one as all the chaos "gods" abandoned him.

[MightyAl]

Currently Mazdamundi. He can move bloody continents around. He's to blame for the destruction of a large number of dwarven cities when he tried to move some continents around to better match what he thought the old ones would've wanted.

If you count ever, it's gotta be kroak. I don't care how powerful Nagash is (and that's VERY powerful), but he couldn't possible have defended himself against such a large quantity of greater daemons as kroak did.
Noone whose name is an onomatopoeic word for the noise a frog makes can be powerful. They are what is commonly referred to as a joke.

[Calelith]

Nagash.

Because for all intents and purposes, he is immortal and effectively a god anyway. :p

Sure he can be defeated but he keeps coming back - he's like the Mum-Ra of Warhammer. :D

He only survived because the noobs that killed him didnt destroy all of him, wasn't his hand running around somewhere after it was cut off?

The single most powerful person in warhammer is Gotek i do believe he's the only living person to destroy a bloddthirster in close combat, and not just a normal thirster.

Heres a list of stuff he's killed in no real order(so watch out for spoilers)













-A chaos infused troll
-a boat load of skaven
-a greater deamon and a boat load of other daemonicy things
-a boat load of chaos warriors, beastmen and marauders
-a chosen of the gods
-a load of orcs, and other greenskin
-a choas controlled giant
-a boat load of chaos infused mega-orcs
-an ancient dwarf hating building sized deamon thinge
-a chaos powered brightwizard and is pet cannon deamon
-a boat load (literally) of Dark elfs, along with wounding a slaaneshi deamon and killed some sorcs
-A fair few undead and other undead things
- and dont forget the numerous attacks by skaven and other things

And he's still going strong :D

[Nathar]

He only survived because the noobs that killed him didnt destroy all of him, wasn't his hand running around somewhere after it was cut off?

The single most powerful person in warhammer is Gotek i do believe he's the only living person to destroy a bloddthirster in close combat, and not just a normal thirster.

Heres a list of stuff he's killed in no real order(so watch out for spoilers)

Yea, but that's only until the day he finds his true doom. You might not realize it, but his doom could be dying a fighting a terrible battle with a squirrel. You can't deny it.. have you read of him killing a squirrel? See.. he's not that amazing, just lucky.

Also he's said to be on par with Teclis.. Teclis has nothing on these other Nagash, Mazdamundi or Kroak. Sorry to tell you, as strong as Gotrek is (which is very) he just can't match the greatest magicians to wander the warhammer world.

[Abzadrael]

Yea, but that's only until the day he finds his true doom. You might not realize it, but his doom could be dying a fighting a terrible battle with a squirrel. You can't deny it.. have you read of him killing a squirrel? See.. he's not that amazing, just lucky.

Also he's said to be on par with Teclis.. Teclis has nothing on these other Nagash, Mazdamundi or Kroak. Sorry to tell you, as strong as Gotrek is (which is very) he just can't match the greatest magicians to wander the warhammer world.

Deathmaster Snkitch definatley deserves some credit for being powerful, he could probably obliterate most of the casters in Warhammer by himself.

[Adrelariel]

Grombrindal the White Bearded Ancestor. His is an oath so powerful and a will so immovable that even death itself could not prevent him from coming to the aid of his people.

[Guardian]

He only survived because the noobs that killed him didnt destroy all of him, wasn't his hand running around somewhere after it was cut off?

The single most powerful person in warhammer is Gotek i do believe he's the only living person to destroy a bloddthirster in close combat, and not just a normal thirster.

Heres a list of stuff he's killed in no real order(so watch out for spoilers)

Archaon killed a Bloodthirster in single combat ;)

Really it's an impressive list but he wouldn't stand a chance against Nagash, Venerable Lord Kroak or even Ariel :p

[Veilside]

He only survived because the noobs that killed him didnt destroy all of him, wasn't his hand running around somewhere after it was cut off?

The single most powerful person in warhammer is Gotek i do believe he's the only living person to destroy a bloddthirster in close combat, and not just a normal thirster.

Heres a list of stuff he's killed in no real order(so watch out for spoilers)













-A chaos infused troll
-a boat load of skaven
-a greater deamon and a boat load of other daemonicy things
-a boat load of chaos warriors, beastmen and marauders
-a chosen of the gods
-a load of orcs, and other greenskin
-a choas controlled giant
-a boat load of chaos infused mega-orcs
-an ancient dwarf hating building sized deamon thinge
-a chaos powered brightwizard and is pet cannon deamon
-a boat load (literally) of Dark elfs, along with wounding a slaaneshi deamon and killed some sorcs
-A fair few undead and other undead things
- and dont forget the numerous attacks by skaven and other things

And he's still going strong :D

That's not a really impressive list. Oh, and are the Gotrek novels even considered canon? I'd certainly hate for the later ones which are absolutely atrocious in terms of writing to be considered canon, honestly Nathan Long doesn't deserve to be called an author.

Oh, there's no such thing as a "normal bloodthirster".

[Vakisvor]

He only survived because the noobs that killed him didnt destroy all of him, wasn't his hand running around somewhere after it was cut off?

The single most powerful person in warhammer is Gotek i do believe he's the only living person to destroy a bloddthirster in close combat, and not just a normal thirster.



Nah, its not his hand that's keeping him here, it's the bloody big black pyramid in Khemri.

A couple of well placed nukes'd see it off; then all you've got to deal with then is an extremely pissed off eight-foot tall skeleton in a fortress the size of a mountain (and twice as deep) with hundreds of thousands of undead minions and as much dark magic as canon dictates. :D

And anyway, everybody knows the monster always finds a way to come back...

[Calelith]

True Gotrek is destined for a mighty doom and the gods seemed to be keeping him alive.

So with the following being true, if he met the 'uber toad' or nagash or whoever before he was destined to dye i think he might just win :D

The Bloodthirster he killed had been around for a while and if i remember was more than just the average fred thrister :D.

I'm sure it was nagashes hand that kept him alive last time he was killed, i will check i have 'liber necris' somewhere and i think that said it.

And he's done pretty impressive stuff to say its just him and felix most of the time, most of the other 'Heros' have armies with them when they go to war.

Its easy to look hard with 10,000 men behind you, not so with a scruff human lol.

[Abzadrael]

True Gotrek is destined for a mighty doom and the gods seemed to be keeping him alive.

So with the following being true, if he met the 'uber toad' or nagash or whoever before he was destined to dye i think he might just win :D

The Bloodthirster he killed had been around for a while and if i remember was more than just the average fred thrister :D.

I'm sure it was nagashes hand that kept him alive last time he was killed, i will check i have 'liber necris' somewhere and i think that said it.

And he's done pretty impressive stuff to say its just him and felix most of the time, most of the other 'Heros' have armies with them when they go to war.

Its easy to look hard with 10,000 men behind you, not so with a scruff human lol.

It was the same Bloodthirster who used Volkmar as a standard.

And besides, All Bloodthirsters are hard as nails.

[Calelith]

It was the same Bloodthirster who used Volkmar as a standard.

And besides, All Bloodthirsters are hard as nails.

nails aren't very hard though, i mean common i can own one with a small hand held hammer :D.

[Saif]

Well I am not fan of lizards but I think he would have tough time against Kroak.

Also, Abhorash is really hardcore dude.


Anyways, looking at the current fluff... It would be interesting if Wulfrik met any of those uber epic people...

[Mincemaker]

If there is anything I learnt about Warhammer, it is that every FOOT SOLDIER is badass. I mean, see that Khornite Chosen? Huge armored psychotic freak with a huge axe? Pretty badass right? Wait till you see that despite being so scary looking and psychotic, the NORMAL HUMANS are ballsy enough to try and stick their halberd between the eyeholes of that helmet! That's pretty badass too! And the multiple nameless warrior priests? They regularly fight things that no sane man would even dream of attacking! How about the the gobbos? For someone so small, they also happen to be vicious little buggers who are badass enough to still try fighting someone much bigger than they are, only they are pretty cunning about it.

The named characters just happen to be on another level of badassery.

[Veilside]

It was the same Bloodthirster who used Volkmar as a standard.

And besides, All Bloodthirsters are hard as nails.

A bloodthirster used Volkmar as a standard? Wasn't that the first daemon prince Be'lakor?

Calelith, there's no such thing as an average 'thirster.

[BurnHim]

Gonna say Veskit. Nagash, Kroak and so on.. Yeah, they're strong and hard (if not impossible) to kill. But if they ever find Kroak suddenly missing his entire upper body and Nagash is (again) a shredded piece of dormant pulp, you'll know what's written on the wall without looking.

Luckily he's probably too busy having a good time in Mordheim.

[Calelith]

A bloodthirster used Volkmar as a standard? Wasn't that the first daemon prince Be'lakor?

Calelith, there's no such thing as an average 'thirster.

No but i bet they have something like Younger less powerful thirsters and old more dangerous thirsters, that was what i ment :D

I thought Be'lakor was locked back up by that time?

EDIT:

Just check wikki and yea it was Be'lakor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim

[Abzadrael]

No but i bet they have something like Younger less powerful thirsters and old more dangerous thirsters, that was what i ment :D

I thought Be'lakor was locked back up by that time?

EDIT:

Just check wikki and yea it was Be'lakor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim

Yeah, after Archaon killed Volkar, Be'lakor later found his frozen corpse, resurrected him into his prime, and then chained him to his standard. Volkmar eventually escaped and then was rescued by Leoncoeur while Teclis single handedly destroyed Be'lakor and his army.

[Calelith]

Yeah, after Archaon killed Volkar, Be'lakor later found his frozen corpse, resurrected him into his prime, and then chained him to his standard. Volkmar eventually escaped and then was rescued by Leoncoeur while Teclis single handedly destroyed Be'lakor and his army.

Is it me or is Teclis badass? he one shotted malekith, taken down a slaaneshi deamon with a word, owned Be'lakor and an army and other things.

[Abzadrael]

Is it me or is Teclis badass? he one shotted malekith, taken down a slaaneshi deamon with a word, owned Be'lakor and an army and other things.


He's the only High Elf I like.

=p

[Hellzbellz]

Gonna say Veskit. Nagash, Kroak and so on.. Yeah, they're strong and hard (if not impossible) to kill. But if they ever find Kroak suddenly missing his entire upper body and Nagash is (again) a shredded piece of dormant pulp, you'll know what's written on the wall without looking.

Luckily he's probably too busy having a good time in Mordheim.

I consider myself very knowlegable on lore (from 6th edition onward that is) and Ive never heard of Veskit. Info?

[Grovel]

Id have to say Kroak wins out from Nagash, and the two of them would be head and shoulders above the competition... I'd like to throw Abhorash & Neferata into the mix, though... Abhorash beat up a dragon single handedly, before his powers peaked (After drinking from it) and Neferata is faster than the eye can track - Hard to defeat someone in that situation

[Nathar]

Is it me or is Teclis badass? he one shotted malekith, taken down a slaaneshi deamon with a word, owned Be'lakor and an army and other things.

It's not really that impressive. He's one of the GW golden boys. Those things are nothing.

Neferata is faster than the eye can track - Hard to defeat someone in that situation

Not when you can move entire continents or planets with magic. When your magic doesn't require you to target something, you don't need to see her.
That said, no doubt the first of the vampires were amongst the most powerful creatures in warhammer fantasy history.

[Veilside]

No but i bet they have something like Younger less powerful thirsters and old more dangerous thirsters, that was what i ment :D

I thought Be'lakor was locked back up by that time?

EDIT:

Just check wikki and yea it was Be'lakor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkmar_the_Grim

Nope, all bloodthirsters are pretty much the same, in terms of power anyway.

Be'lakor has the knack of evading being locked up, what with him causing taking over Mordheim, causing that Albion campaign etc.

[Vermin Lord]

I consider myself very knowlegable on lore (from 6th edition onward that is) and Ive never heard of Veskit. Info?

He's a special character from the Mordheim game. A Skaven assassin with a bionic eye (or something, Skryrie tech) and blades and warplock pistols fused to his wrists, if I remember correctly.

I'm pretty sure BurnHim is confusing Veskit with Deathmaster Snikch, a far more famous and deadly assassin. The stuff in his post sounds like something Snikch would do, if you know his track record.

Also, since Mordheim is set some 300 years before the current timeline, I'm pretty sure Veskit is no longer among us.

[Spitefool]

Snikch is more ultimate assassin to Veskit's Terminator. Of the two, Veskit is likely more badass, but Snitkch is far more powerful. And as Veskit is mostly machine, it's technically possible that he's still striding around. Very unlikely, but we can live in hope.

I mean, Veskit almost took out an entire Clan of Skaven BEFORE he was robotized.

[Nathar]

Doesn't skaven live rather long lives? I thought so, and if they do AND he's most machine, it's quite possible that he's still around.

[Vermin Lord]

Actually, the Skaven lead very short lives. Their average lifespan is about twenty years. Most of them die violently beofre they reach that age.

Very powerful Skaven do have a prolonged lifespan though. I don't have info on Gray Seers, but it's beed mentioned that the members of the Council of Thirteen have been alive for at least several hundred years. It's not yet clear how they manage this.

[Veilside]

Actually, the Skaven lead very short lives. Their average lifespan is about twenty years. Most of them die violently beofre they reach that age.

Very powerful Skaven do have a prolonged lifespan though. I don't have info on Gray Seers, but it's beed mentioned that the members of the Council of Thirteen have been alive for at least several hundred years. It's not yet clear how they manage this.

Well, the horned rat is absically a horned god, and clans pestilens basically worship nurgle, so that'd explain it.
Veskit was a BAMF in Mordheim, as was Aenur, wonder what happened to that elf.

[Mazari]

Dwarfs atm lack REALLY powerful characters like Archaon, Valten, Tyrion etc. I think that PERFECT would be Gotrek in future as avatar of Grimnir. I think he is a good material for future more powerful figure in warhammer world [such as valted the chosen champion and exalted of sigmar - 3 figures etc].

that would kick . Atm dwarfs dont have any really powerful characters.

[Mazari]

Also about Gotrek


SPOILER of ELFSLAYER !!!!!!!!!!!!


In Elfslayer Gotrek fights vs Keeper of Secrets [Greater Daemon of Slaneesh] and this is what the Daemon says to Gotrek after some fight and ebating on both sides:

"No, little one. I will not fight you. This is not my fate. One greater than I is to die killing you. In the meanwhile, I will relish your disappointment." page 353-354 in english edition


END OF SPOILER !!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm, Hard to imagine something Greater than Greater Daemons, perhaps Archaon the Everchosen ?

[MightyAl]

Also about Gotrek


SPOILER of ELFSLAYER !!!!!!!!!!!!


In Elfslayer Gotrek fights vs Keeper of Secrets [Greater Daemon of Slaneesh] and this is what the Daemon says to Gotrek after some fight and ebating on both sides:

"No, little one. I will not fight you. This is not my fate. One greater than I is to die killing you. In the meanwhile, I will relish your disappointment." page 353-354 in english edition


END OF SPOILER !!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm, Hard to imagine something Greater than Greater Daemons, perhaps Archaon the Everchosen ?
A more powerul greater daemon than the KoS. They're not all created equal, no matter what the TT rules say.

[Veilside]

Also about Gotrek


SPOILER of ELFSLAYER !!!!!!!!!!!!


In Elfslayer Gotrek fights vs Keeper of Secrets [Greater Daemon of Slaneesh] and this is what the Daemon says to Gotrek after some fight and ebating on both sides:

"No, little one. I will not fight you. This is not my fate. One greater than I is to die killing you. In the meanwhile, I will relish your disappointment." page 353-354 in english edition


END OF SPOILER !!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm, Hard to imagine something Greater than Greater Daemons, perhaps Archaon the Everchosen ?

Thankfully, the Gotrek and Felix novels aren't really canon.

[Vermin Lord]

A more powerul greater daemon than the KoS. They're not all created equal, no matter what the TT rules say.

I'm guessing a Daemon Prince.

[Rithik]

Actually, the Skaven lead very short lives. Their average lifespan is about twenty years. Most of them die violently beofre they reach that age.

Very powerful Skaven do have a prolonged lifespan though. I don't have info on Gray Seers, but it's beed mentioned that the members of the Council of Thirteen have been alive for at least several hundred years. It's not yet clear how they manage this.


I thought the more exposure to Warpstone a Skaven had the longer they could live as the chaotic energies of it kept them going for longer. Most of the Lords of Decay/ Council members and their main henchmen (Skrolk, Throt, Ikit Claw, Snikch...etc) are Warpstone junkies (Throt more so out of the LoD henchmen, he's so dependent on the stuff, that without it his metabolism would consume itself/ himself from within without the warpstone he hammered into his eye and if he didn't stop to eat everything).

I'm pretty sure some of the LoDs would have to be incredibly powerful, last I knew the "current" skaven council as remained the same for a long while membership wise. Considering every LoD is trying to destroy every other LoD all the damn time, they have to be so powerfull that someone like Skrolk or Snikch hasn't killed them or that the right hand/ hench men (Snikch...etc) haven't managed to pull down their boss, after all its the Skaven way to back stab your way to the top).

Or put simply if Deathmaster Snikch is uber then his boss Lord Sneek would Rolf-stomp him.

If Srolk can kill entire forces just by passing by the area (due to the disease) then Nurglitch VII would kill everyone (Including his own forces) instantly in the county the minute he went outside the temple.

[Calelith]

Lets face it people Sigmar is the strongest mortal to have ever lived, and if you doubt that name another 'mortal' that created an Empire and became a god =p.

But then again Aenarion would probably be stronger than a god :D

[Hellzbellz]

LORDS OF DECAY FTW!

But Its still the slaan that r the most powerful.

[Nathar]

Lets face it people Sigmar is the strongest mortal to have ever lived, and if you doubt that name another 'mortal' that created an Empire and became a god =p.

But then again Aenarion would probably be stronger than a god :D

You named him yourself. Sigmar might've become a god, but Aenarion wielded the god slayer.

Also some of the ancient dwarfs should be mentioned. Snorri Whitebeard (I think that was his name) kept himself alive by pure will. He lived 2000 years, which as I recall is more than twice the age of your average dwarf.

Oh and to mention one that still lives.. somewhere. Caledor the first. Probably one of the greater mages ever, I believe he rivals teclis and Nagash, he closed the chaos vortex and when Morathi AND Malekith AND many other sorceresses reopened it, him and his fellow mages whiped all of their butts.

Okay so I mentioned a couple, but I will admit Sigmar was no weakling.

[Veilside]

Be'lakor is also a strong contender, being the first daemon prince and all, the only reason he's not more active is because he's been cursed by Tzeentch, and even then, he still manages to break free from his curse every now and again to cause huge amounts of havoc. Sure, Teclies managed to banish him, but he didn't actually harm him at all.

[Gaugamela]

Sigmar kicked Nagash butt so i would say that makes him stronger. If we are not including daemons and Gods, i would say Lord Kroak or the current Slann leader is the most powerful ever being in Warhammer.

Aenarion is the strongest. He was a merged avatar of Asuryan and Khaine that beat 4 Greater Daemons in combat and wielded a weapon that could kill Gods.

From the current timeline i would say that the strongest beings alive are Teclis, his brother, Gotrek, Archaon, Grimgor.

[Calelith]

Sigmar kicked Nagash butt so i would say that makes him stronger. If we are not including daemons and Gods, i would say Lord Kroak or the current Slann leader is the most powerful ever being in Warhammer.

Aenarion is the strongest. He was a merged avatar of Asuryan and Khaine that beat 4 Greater Daemons in combat and wielded a weapon that could kill Gods.

From the current timeline i would say that the strongest beings alive are Teclis, his brother, Gotrek, Archaon, Grimgor.

Agreed, but dont forget Felix hes done alot of stuff that most people couldn't even dream of and imo that makes him great than the rest, remember most of them have had the best training, the best armour and weapons and the support of armies but all felix has is his sword and gotrek and hes done some amazing things in his own right.

So screw the rest i vote felix

[Khain]

i would say:

1. Nagash
2. Archoan the Everchosen
3. Valten (because Archaon beat Valten in combat)
4. Melekith
5. Tyrion

[Veilside]

Agreed, but dont forget Felix hes done alot of stuff that most people couldn't even dream of and imo that makes him great than the rest, remember most of them have had the best training, the best armour and weapons and the support of armies but all felix has is his sword and gotrek and hes done some amazing things in his own right.

So screw the rest i vote felix

His sword which is a very, vey strong magic item ;) Felix is good, but he's not that good.

[Julius]

Agreed, but dont forget Felix hes done alot of stuff that most people couldn't even dream of and imo that makes him great than the rest, remember most of them have had the best training, the best armour and weapons and the support of armies but all felix has is his sword and gotrek and hes done some amazing things in his own right.

So screw the rest i vote felix

Gotrek and Felix aren't exactly that mighty, they just have the best (or worst) luck which has led many to conclude they are blessed (or cursed according to Gotrek) by the gods. Their destiny ensures they will not be defeated easily, but then again they could just as easily die doing something just because it fits into the plan of the gods.

Really, there is no telling how or when they will die.

[Ignition]

In terms of pure value placed on a model per the Warhammer table top game and not including living god king type figures (which mostly the game doesnt allow you to play)...Lord Kroak would be by far no1.

Supposedly you can stack that guy up to over 2000 points. Which is basically the entire cost of a fairly large army.

[Hellzbellz]

i would say:

1. Nagash
2. Archoan the Everchosen
3. Valten (because Archaon beat Valten in combat)
4. Melekith
5. Tyrion

except Grimgore beat Archaon. And the 1st gen Slann (which Kroak was the first and most powerful of) moved the entire planet. and the most powerful currently living slann can move contenints on his own.

[Gaugamela]

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Nagash and Caledor
3 - Aenarion,
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was sneaky)

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Teclis,
1 - Tyrion,
1 - Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster),
1 - Grimgor and Crom
4 - Malekith,
5 - Valten,
6 - Morathi

[Hellzbellz]

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Nagash and Caledor
3 - Aenarion,
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was sneaky)

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Teclis,
1 - Tyrion,
1 - Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster),
1 - Grimgor and Crom
4 - Malekith,
5 - Valten,
6 - Morathi

I find this list well thought out and accurate. I agree :)


Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was sneaky) details, details. lol

[danix]

So screw the rest i vote felix

o/ yep

(Godammit 10 letters!)

[Nathar]

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Nagash and Caledor
3 - Aenarion,
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was sneaky)

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Teclis,
1 - Tyrion,
1 - Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster),
1 - Grimgor and Crom
4 - Malekith,
5 - Valten,
6 - Morathi

I think the list lacks Mazdamundi in "living" category. The most powerful living slann.

[Vermin Lord]

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
5 - Valten,

As far as I know, he's very very dead. Assassinated by Deathnaster Snikch. Which implies Snikch should take up his place on this list . :)

[Count Izreal]

I wanna know. I heard the Void Dragon is in 40k, but what's in fantasy?

Teclis is one of the most powerful mages in the world.

I would say either the Chaos Gods or Nagash as the most powerful.

Also, I think Anaerion would be higher on the list than Caledor. And while Tyrion is very powerful, he is not the second most powerful person in Warhammer.

[Nathar]

As far as I know, he's very very dead. Assassinated by Deathnaster Snikch. Which implies Snikch should take up his place on this list . :)

I disagree. Sure they're skilled, but then they don't really "fight" their opponents. I don't remember the lore about the fight between Snikch and valten (if it was even a fight) but then you could argue that the most powerful person is the one who gets the first punch.. basically any assassin.

Also, I think Anaerion would be higher on the list than Caledor.

I agree, but then I would also put him above Nagash. But it's always hard to see how powerful sorcerers are compared to powerful warriors. Him putting Caledor next to Nagash I agree with though. Caledor did insanely impressive deeds, but since no (not counting daemons) were killed he hasn't really gotten much street respeck for it.

[Vermin Lord]

I disagree. Sure they're skilled, but then they don't really "fight" their opponents. I don't remember the lore about the fight between Snikch and valten (if it was even a fight) but then you could argue that the most powerful person is the one who gets the first punch.. basically any assassin.
Oh, I'm pretty sure there was no fight. Snikch just stabbed him while he slept or something. :p

But that's not actually the point of my post. It was about Valten being dead, which disqualifies him from being on the "Most powerful living character list". It should also be noted that Snikch really is a very powerful (although in a slightly more subtle manner than most mentioned characters here) individual and should be considered for this list.

[Count Izreal]

Oh, I'm pretty sure there was no fight. Snikch just stabbed him while he slept or something. :p

But that's not actually the point of my post. It was about Valten being dead, which disqualifies him from being on the "Most powerful living character list". It should also be noted that Snikch really is a very powerful (although in a slightly more subtle manner than most mentioned characters here) individual and should be considered for this list.

He is powerful, but I don't think he is so powerful to be considered for the top 10, let alone top 5.

[Khain]

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Nagash and Caledor
3 - Aenarion,
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was sneaky)

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Teclis,
1 - Tyrion,
1 - Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster),
1 - Grimgor and Crom
4 - Malekith,
5 - Valten,
6 - Morathi

some problems with this list. . . Archaon is still alive, both he and Crom are regrouping.

with that said, Grimgor sucker punched Archaon so i don't think he deserves any recognition for it. Yes Archaon took a MASSIVE blow from GHAL- MARAZ, then he had to fight Luthor after that(i think that's his name) after he stuck the Slayer of Kings through Valten's chest and threw Luthor across the battlefiled, THEN does Grimgor come and bash on Archaon's head. . . um that doesn't count

[Khain]

He is powerful, but I don't think he is so powerful to be considered for the top 10, let alone top 5.

snikch should not even be on any list, Valten was assassinated while he was in critical condition. Valten took the Slayer of Kings through the chest and was laying on what could have possibly been his death bed, so no, get that Skaven trash off anyone's list

[Khain]

current living characters:

1. Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, Lord of End times

2. Malekith

3. Tyrion/ Teclis

4. Karl Franz (descendant of Sigmar)

5. Malus Darkblade (he does have the Warpsword of Khaine along with 5 other very powerful artifacts)

[Gaugamela]

some problems with this list. . . Archaon is still alive, both he and Crom are regrouping.

with that said, Grimgor sucker punched Archaon so i don't think he deserves any recognition for it. Yes Archaon took a MASSIVE blow from GHAL- MARAZ, then he had to fight Luthor after that(i think that's his name) after he stuck the Slayer of Kings through Valten's chest and threw Luthor across the battlefiled, THEN does Grimgor come and bash on Archaon's head. . . um that doesn't count

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Aenarion
2 - Nagash and Caledor and Mazdamundi
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was a sneaky ...) - i actually agree here with you so i don't understand why you mentioned that. Grimgor was a but he is the strongest Greenskin and one of the strongest characters now

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Mazdamundi,
2 - Archaon (after all he defeated a Bloodthirster in single combat, and the Champion of Light),
3 - Teclis,
3- Tyrion,
3- Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster - Nathan Long makes it feel like he only survives because of fate but that is not the case. Also Teclis consider him to be on par with him in terms of power),
4 - Grimgor and Crom,
5 - Malekith,
6 - Morathi


Malus, i don't agree with you that he is so powerful as you say. I've already read the first 3 novels and he looks like a very average DE power level wise. Dunno with the Sword of Khaine though... He is just the most stuborn of and strong-willed DE for me (please don't give me spoilers...).

[Gaugamela]

current living characters:

1. Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, Lord of End times

2. Malekith

3. Tyrion/ Teclis

4. Karl Franz (descendant of Sigmar)

5. Malus Darkblade (he does have the Warpsword of Khaine along with 5 other very powerful artifacts)

I have some things to point to your list:
Teclis defeated Malekith so he is stronger than Malekith and since Tyrion is in the same power level he is also stronger than Malekith allthough in fighting prowess.
Karl Franz is strong, but he isn't a descendant of Sigmar and he was weaker than Valten.

[Calelith]

I have some things to point to your list:
Teclis defeated Malekith so he is stronger than Malekith and since Tyrion is in the same power level he is also stronger than Malekith allthough in fighting prowess.
Karl Franz is strong, but he isn't a descendant of Sigmar and he was weaker than Valten.

True, but didn't Karl Franz become the avatar of sigmar and slaughter a huge amount of orcs on his own?

I think to many people put KF down, but he's more of a warrior than most of the other kings.

[Gaugamela]

True, but didn't Karl Franz become the avatar of sigmar and slaughter a huge amount of orcs on his own?

I think to many people put KF down, but he's more of a warrior than most of the other kings.

Can't recall it... And allthough he may be a great warrior on his own he isn't one of the most powerfull beings in Warhammer, as it isn't the High Elven king nor the Dwarfen High King (allthough i would say this guy is the closest to being one of the most powerful ones: he carries the other axe of Grimnir and is a descendant from the Dwarf Gods).

[Khain]

We could split this in two categories:

The most powerfull mortals EVER (excluding Daemon Princes):
1 - Kroak,
2 - Aenarion
2 - Nagash and Caledor and Mazdamundi
3 - Sigmar,
4 - Magnous,
5 - Archaon (he was defeated by Grimgor but after a huge fight agaisnt Valten, Grimgor was a sneaky ...) - i actually agree here with you so i don't understand why you mentioned that. Grimgor was a but he is the strongest Greenskin and one of the strongest characters now

Currently living most powerfull mortals:
1 - Mazdamundi,
2 - Archaon (after all he defeated a Bloodthirster in single combat, and the Champion of Light),
3 - Teclis,
3- Tyrion,
3- Gotrek (cut the crap about the gods, he defeated a Bloodthirster - Nathan Long makes it feel like he only survives because of fate but that is not the case. Also Teclis consider him to be on par with him in terms of power),
4 - Grimgor and Crom,
5 - Malekith,
6 - Morathi


Malus, i don't agree with you that he is so powerful as you say. I've already read the first 3 novels and he looks like a very average DE power level wise. Dunno with the Sword of Khaine though... He is just the most stuborn of and strong-willed DE for me (please don't give me spoilers...).


this list is very good, i forgot teclis defeated malekith. . .sorry:o Malus is probably not in the top five i admit but he's definately in the top ten. the Warpsword of Khaine is no joke, it seems to have the same properties as the legendary Sword of Khaine and there is speculation as to whether the Warpsword and the Sword are the same thing. . .

[Count Izreal]

current living characters:

1. Archaon the Everchosen of Chaos, Lord of End times

2. Malekith

3. Tyrion/ Teclis

4. Karl Franz (descendant of Sigmar)

5. Malus Darkblade (he does have the Warpsword of Khaine along with 5 other very powerful artifacts)

[MOD NOTE: SPOILERS]






Malus's artifacts were destroyed only the warpsword survives. Sorry dude, but that Dark Elf is not the 5th most powerful living character of warhammer :o

[Calelith]

Malus's artifacts were destroyed only the warpsword survives. Sorry dude, but that Dark Elf is not the 5th most powerful living character of warhammer :o

It depends if you count when he has the daemon in him or not.

[Gaugamela]

Malus's artifacts were destroyed only the warpsword survives. Sorry dude, but that Dark Elf is not the 5th most powerful living character of warhammer :o

Look, i stated that i only read the first 3 books of the Malus series. You could stop being stupid and giving spoilers to what happens next without warning ok?????????

[Dagganoth]

i would say on the table top that valtan (or however you spell him) on horse becasue as long as he passes a leadership test when he dies he comes back to life! (roll 2D6 and get above 8-9 can't remeber exact number)

[Nathar]

Look, i stated that i only read the first 3 books of the Malus series. You could stop being stupid and giving spoilers to what happens next without warning ok?????????

Sorry but it's hardly a spoiler. It's stated in the 6th and 7th edition army books and it used to be stated on games-workshops own website. Don't worry, it won't spoil the story for ya.

[Khain]

i read wikipedia about teclis and it says he's the most powerful magic user in the warhammer world. he is equal in power to nagash soooo is magic more powerful than say the alternative? if so then that means teclis and nagash should be number one, unless there's something more powerful than magic then ok but i don't know.

[Hellzbellz]

i read wikipedia about teclis and it says he's the most powerful magic user in the warhammer world. he is equal in power to nagash soooo is magic more powerful than say the alternative? if so then that means teclis and nagash should be number one, unless there's something more powerful than magic then ok but i don't know.

Well first of all magic isnt all mighty in warhammer, good old fashion steel works just fine. Secondly just about any slaan is more powerful then even truly powerful wizards and the famous ones (mazdumandi, Kroak, etc) are equal or stronger then those two. And like I said magic isnt so powerful that its use automatically puts u above non spell casters.

[MightyAl]

If you consider Thrud the Barbarian part of warhammer(which he isn't, really, but you can use him in BB, and he did appear in WD before it turned rubbish), he probably is. Granted, he's been turned into a frog, and drugged once or twice, but I don't believe he's ever actually been injured by anything.
Plus, he likes Worcester Sauce flavour crisps, which makes him totally more awesome than anyone else.

[Abzadrael]

I think we're all forgetting Harry the Hammer.

[Nathar]

I think we're all forgetting Harry the Hammer.

He's not -that- powerful sooo.. no we're not.

[Ignition]

How are people putting Nagash above Sigmar? Sigmar defeated Nagash in balanced 1v1 combat.

/boggle

[Nathar]

How are people putting Nagash above Sigmar? Sigmar defeated Nagash in balanced 1v1 combat.

/boggle

Rock beats scissor, scissor beats paper and paper beats rock.. it's not always a 1v1 means you're more powerful than someone else. I see your argument, but I would still put Nagash above Sigmar.

[Warmaster tibs]

How are people putting Nagash above Sigmar? Sigmar defeated Nagash in balanced 1v1 combat.

/boggle

Rock beats scissor, scissor beats paper and paper beats rock.. it's not always a 1v1 means you're more powerful than someone else. I see your argument, but I would still put Nagash above Sigmar.

Both sides are right. Theres different ways to look at something and get more then one answer.

[Echelon03]

I would say Archaon, but Grimgor Ironhide is the coolest.

Volkmar the Grim freed himself from a demonic torture engine and killed his captors using his shackle chains.

Later on he walked up to Mannfred von Carstein and told him and his Undead army to &$%@ing shove it. And they did.

Coolest character of any fantasy literature I've read.

[Mincemaker]

Volkmar the Grim freed himself from a demonic torture engine and killed his captors using his shackle chains.

Later on he walked up to Mannfred von Carstein and told him and his Undead army to &$%@ing shove it. And they did.

Coolest character of any fantasy literature I've read.

And he is in-game too.

[Zzulu]

Lord Kroak used to be the most powerful, but is now just an undead shadow of his former self

Teclis is also super powerful

Nagash is dead, but practically a demigod, and he tends to come back to life a lot

Sigmar is also "presumably" dead so he doesn't count

Grimgor seems to be the ultimate, non magic, fighter around.

Archaon is a generic tincan chosen who gets buffed by 4 gods, so he's of course super powerful as well, but pretty boring to boot.

Malekith. Ancient and horribly powerful. Both a sorceress and a fighter, he's surely one of the most formidable foes in the world. His mom, morathi, is apparently also very powerful, but I've never read any specific lore about her.

Then there's Grimnir, the dwarf demigod who single handedly opposed the entire faction of chaos by marching north and trying to close the chaos gate. I'm not sure if he's dead or just missing though

[Abzadrael]

He's not -that- powerful sooo.. no we're not.

He is however the coolest.

[Compel]

Since people seem to be mentioning quite often when people kill Greater Daemons single handedly. In one of the big battles on the Plain of Bones, Tyrion managed to take out N'kari, a Keeper of Secrets in one on one combat. Of course, Teclis had also killed in the past oh and Aenarion too. Basically, N'kari has gotten his butt kicked by the one family for the past few thousand years. However, he's still a pretty major Greater Daemon and the one that seems to like hanging out with the Dark Elves.

Of course, after Tyrion killed N'kari, he still had enough strength/willpower to tell the Sword of Khaine to shove it.

Overall though, I'd say Sigmar, followed by Nagash followed by Lord Kroak.

Sigmar, while mortal, defeated Nagash while more-than-mortal. However, Nagash is only really a demi-god, sure sure he can reincarnate. However, as Sigmar has essentially become a full fledged God now, he can do the whole Avatar thing with Valten, which makes Valten one of the most powerful characters around but is still able to do the whole 'divine favour' thing like any God can.

So, to summarize, Sigmar. He's basically pulled off everything that Nagash, Bel'akor had been trying to do (ascend to Godhood) without it being a particular ambition.

Kroak/Mazdamundi are extremely powerful, however, you can't beat an actual God.

[Zzulu]

No one knows if sigmar is a god. Didn't he just leave one day and then no one saw him ever again?

it's never stated anywhere but by empire citizens, that he did in fact ascend to become some divine entity

for all we know, the priests of sigmar are drawing their power from the warp, like any other magician, and not from Sigmar himself.

I'd also say Lord Kroak was a lot more powerful than anything mortal in the world of warhammer. He shifted mountains and destroyed empires with the flick of his hand. He was practically a mortal god manifest.

[mcharj11]

malekith is quite strong himself, since he can walk warp and survive. also, has a load of magic items, powerful sorcerer and combat lord. I just dont get why he doesnt just take his dragon, goes to isle of dead, and gets the sword of khaine.Or, for that matter, dissolves the lodestones.<- would be a fun event to watch :P delfs ally with chaos once more, and the good guys are majorly screwed since the world floods with demons once again. If malky has the sword of khaine, even worse. Only they cant do that bcuz of continuity.A campaign for it would pwn tho:P

Don't know if this counts as it's from novels but i'm sure Malus Darkblade wields the Sword of Khaine at present.

[mcharj11]

[MOD NOTE: SPOILERS]






Malus's artifacts were destroyed only the warpsword survives. Sorry dude, but that Dark Elf is not the 5th most powerful living character of warhammer :o

Remember though that he still has that uber magical armour given to him as a gift from Malekith when he became Witch Kings Champion. Also he has a lot of potential with magic but has not embraced it or trained it yet. There is a lot of future potential with that character.

Can't wait for the next book.

[Fruitpunch]

Currently Mazdamundi. He can move bloody continents around. He's to blame for the destruction of a large number of dwarven cities when he tried to move some continents around to better match what he thought the old ones would've wanted.

If you count ever, it's gotta be kroak. I don't care how powerful Nagash is (and that's VERY powerful), but he couldn't possible have defended himself against such a large quantity of greater daemons as kroak did.

^^this.

Also cant remember the guys name, but the Chaos Dwarf who created the Black Orcs is pretty powerful too.

[Nathar]

Don't know if this counts as it's from novels but i'm sure Malus Darkblade wields the Sword of Khaine at present.

NO, he wields the warpsword of Khaine. The widowmaker is still safe and sound in the shrine of Khaine. It's about time people realize the difference between the two weapons.

[Newhope]

Sigmar, while mortal, defeated Nagash while more-than-mortal. However, Nagash is only really a demi-god, sure sure he can reincarnate. However, as Sigmar has essentially become a full fledged God now, he can do the whole Avatar thing with Valten, which makes Valten one of the most powerful characters around but is still able to do the whole 'divine favour' thing like any God can.


Nagash is probably the most powerful character in warhammer lore apart from lord kroak when he was alive, the only reason Sigmar beat him was because Nagash was still recovering from Alcadizaar's attack who attacked him when he was weak from the great spell to rise the tomb kings kingdom.

When Nagash fought sigmar he was only a shadow of his full power, If Nagash had fought Sigmar at the height of his power Sigmar and his armies would have died in seconds.

[mcharj11]

NO, he wields the warpsword of Khaine. The widowmaker is still safe and sound in the shrine of Khaine. It's about time people realize the difference between the two weapons.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So what is the difference between the two weapons?, is one more powerful than the other?

I did get the impression though that the Warpsword was also an item of Khorne as when Malus gets it, it is under guard by Chaos barbarians and Chosen.

[Nathar]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. So what is the difference between the two weapons?, is one more powerful than the other?

I did get the impression though that the Warpsword was also an item of Khorne as when Malus gets it, it is under guard by Chaos barbarians and Chosen.

The difference is like comparing Ghal Maraz to a random magic warhammer. It's like comparing a claymore to a stick. The sword of Khaine is way more powerful than the warpsword of Khaine, although the warpsword of Khaine is deffinately still very powerful. Also the sword of Khaine is cursed, so if you draw it you and your entire line is doomed.


POTENTIAL SPOILER!!!!

















Wether the warpsword of Khaine is an artefact related to Khaine is probably more of a discussion wether Khaine and Khorne is the same deity. This is a discussion for another place (dark elf subforum if you're interested). That said I believe they protected it because the were primitive at the time of the original blade guardians arrival and saw the guardians of the warpsword as demigods.


SPOILER END!!!

[Zzulu]

The sword of khaine is arguably the most powerful handheld weapon in the entire warhammer world

It has the power to destroy gods, and it can shapeshift into any form the wielder wants it. It's said to be the physical manifestation of murder and violence, and it forever craves new blood offerings from its wielder, a neverending lust for carnage and destruction.

Aenarion, the greatest high elf hero, drew the sword as he tried to protect his lands from the largest chaos invasion ever, and he, thanks to the sword, managed to push them back and defeat them utterly. While he could not end the invasion on his own, he was basically untouchable in the middle of a sea of demons, and he destroyed any foe chaos could throw at him with the power the sword infused him with. He cleaved a bloodthirster in half with it.

For reference, a bloodthirster is the most powerful and destructive force on a battlefield of chaos, with the power to decimate entire armies.

The sword is just crazy

[Calelith]

The sword of khaine is arguably the most powerful handheld weapon in the entire warhammer world

It has the power to destroy gods, and it can shapeshift into any form the wielder wants it. It's said to be the physical manifestation of murder and violence, and it forever craves new blood offerings from its wielder, a neverending lust for carnage and destruction.

Aenarion, the greatest high elf hero, drew the sword as he tried to protect his lands from the largest chaos invasion ever, and he, thanks to the sword, managed to push them back and defeat them utterly. While he could not end the invasion on his own, he was basically untouchable in the middle of a sea of demons, and he destroyed any foe chaos could throw at him with the power the sword infused him with. He cleaved a bloodthirster in half with it.

For reference, a bloodthirster is the most powerful and destructive force on a battlefield, with the power to decimate entire armies.

The sword is just crazy

Yea, and dont forget the part where he took on the 4 greatest greater daemons at the same time and kicked every single one back to the oblivion which spawned them :D.

EDIT:

If you include the Gotrek and Felix books as lore then his Axe is pretty good and has the power to unmake daemons (i remember reading that one of the daemons he kills is supposed to be a pretty high ranked one).

[MightyAl]

The sword of khaine is arguably the most powerful handheld weapon in the entire warhammer world

It has the power to destroy gods, and it can shapeshift into any form the wielder wants it. It's said to be the physical manifestation of murder and violence, and it forever craves new blood offerings from its wielder, a neverending lust for carnage and destruction.

Aenarion, the greatest high elf hero, drew the sword as he tried to protect his lands from the largest chaos invasion ever, and he, thanks to the sword, managed to push them back and defeat them utterly. While he could not end the invasion on his own, he was basically untouchable in the middle of a sea of demons, and he destroyed any foe chaos could throw at him with the power the sword infused him with. He cleaved a bloodthirster in half with it.

For reference, a bloodthirster is the most powerful and destructive force on a battlefield of chaos, with the power to decimate entire armies.

The sword is just crazy
Decimation isn't too impressive. It's only 1 in 10.

[Zzulu]

I think elves in WAR need to reflect a bit of the badass behind Aenarion. They're currently just pretty emo and hopeless, and portrayed as pansies. I don't like it :I

[Nathar]

Aenarion, the greatest high elf hero...

I would argue that he is the greatest dark elf. He was a Nagarythian and so are we;)

Yea, and dont forget the part where he took on the 4 greatest greater daemons at the same time and kicked every single one back to the oblivion which spawned them

No entirely true. He didn't do it alone and he didn't kick their butts easily. It should be noted that they were the most powerful daemons of their respective god. But he was mortally killed doing it and Indraugnir did help him. For uninformed: Indraugnir, the most powerful known dragon ever.

[Fruitpunch]

I am SHOCKED that nobody has said Tzeetch. He controls the entire frickin universe.

[Nathar]

I am SHOCKED that nobody has said Tzeetch. He controls the entire frickin universe.

Most powerful Character in Warhammer..... he's a god sweety. Gods aren't generally considered Characters.

[Newhope]

I am SHOCKED that nobody has said Tzeetch. He controls the entire frickin universe.

If you take the chaos into account Khorne was the frist to awaken and is the most powerful while Slaanesh is the youngest and the least powerful.

[gotthammer]

I dunno...among the gods, wouldn't the only 2 in contention, among the Ruinous Powers, for most powerful, be Tzeentch and Nurgle? Primarily because of their 'portfolios', one being 'Change' (which is constant) and the other 'Decay' (which is also, in a way, constant).

[Soulsmith]

If you take the chaos into account Khorne was the frist to awaken and is the most powerful while Slaanesh is the youngest and the least powerful.


Wasnt the first Malal who had the power to destroy the other gods and for some reason he was exiled?

[Telronan]

There was a discussion on this on the WFRP forum at Fantasy Flight Games. This is all based on the fluff.

Overall:

1. Venerable Lord Kroak, Relic of the Most Powerful of All the Slann
2. Nagash, the Father of Necromancy
3. Teclis the High Loremaster of Hoeth
4. Lord Mazdamundi, Second Generation Slann
5. Be'lakor the Harbinger, He Who Heralds the Conquerors
6. Azazel, the Prince of Damnation
7. Morathi, First Hag Queen of the Witch Elves
8. Malekith. Witch King of Naggaroth
9. Bloodthirster of Khorne
10. Archaon the Everchosen, Lord of the End Times

The Mortals:

1. Teclis, High Loremaster of Hoeth
2. Lord Mazdamundi, Second Generation Slann
3. Morathi, First Hag Queen of the Witch Elves
4. Tyrion, Champion of the Everqueen
5. Malekith, Witch King of Naggaroth
6. Balthasar Gelt, the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic
7. Heinrich Kemmler, the Lichemaster
8. Tzarina Katerin, Ice Queen of Kislev
9. Gotrek Gurnisson, Dwarven Slayer
10. Grimgor Ironhide, Orc Warboss

The Supernaturals:

1. Venerable Lord Kroak, Relic of the Most Powerful of All the Slann
2. Nagash, the Father of Necromancy
3. Be'lakor the Harbinger, He Who Heralds the Conquerors
4. Azazel, the Prince of Damnation
5. Bloodthirster of Khorne
6. Archaon the Everchosen, the Lord of the End Times
7. Abhorash, Father of the Blood Dragons
8. Neferata, Mother of the Lahmians
9. Mannfred von Carstein, the Last Vampire Count
10. Zacharias the Everliving, Master of the Necrarchs
That's as good a list as any... These are all active in the world today...

As for the Chaos gods, it's explicitly stated that Khorne is the most powerful, but Tzeentch is smart enough to always manage to trick him.

[Newhope]

Another powerful character I hasn't been brought up is Neferata the frist vampire who rules the Silver Pinnacle in the Worlds Edge Mountains.

[Zzulu]

why would they put morathi above malekith in that list? It is stated over and over in the lore that the most powerful dark elf is Malekith, with his mother as the second most powerful

Malekith has Aenarions blood in his veins, of course he'll be the most powerful dark elf

[Nathar]

The list is not right to me. Leaving Caledor Dragontamer and putting Teclis above Mazdamundi are ignorant actions to me. You claim it's based on lore, but I'd love to see where these are based.

And didn't Archaon defeat a bloodthirster? How is he not above bloodthirsters of Khorne?

EDIT: Never mind the Caledor Dragontamer remark. I just noticed Aenarion isn't there either, so you must be going with characters who aren't dead. It's a weird list. Sort of "Currently existing characters, but not a their current level of power"-list.

[Bilious]

Each army has at least one character that stands out for extreme badassery. And that's just talking about the playable ones.
I, for one, would nominate Deathmaster Snikch of Clan Eshin, the deadliest assassin ever. He once assassinated a dwarf thane in his room. Which was surrounded by guards, located inside a dwarf stronghold, had no windows, and was locked from the inside.

But seriously, if we continue with this route, this will tun into one of those Primarch discussions. :p

Surely Lord Sneek, the Nightlord, is more powerful then? Snikch's not the Eshin Lord of Decay afterall :)

[Bilious]

There are lots of "most powerful wizard in the world" characters. Fluff is overkeen on the expression. Ariel, Teclis, Kroak, Mazdamundi, Amon Chakai...

Sigmar beat Nagash. Loadsa people have beaten bloodthirsters (Which can, of course, be average. Add the power of all of them together, divide it by the number of them there are, you have the average bloodthirster). Council of Thirteen + very tired Alcadizaar beat Nagash too. Kalaganos the Black, father and greatest of all dragons? Must be worth a mention somewhere on a list? Gorbad Ironclaw was likely stronger than Grimgor Ironhide. Having iron in the surname clearly does something for an orc. Eltharion beat Malekith and I've not seen Eltharion mentioned in this thread. Says something about flavour of the week, and relative power, hmm?

I'm not gonna do a list. Too much bias and variable lore. That WFRP discussion seems to've been incredibly blinkered and fairly ignorant. Take it with a pinch of salt then make your own.

[Bilious]

U'zuhl, Arbaal The Undefeated, thanks to the guy who mentioned Aekold Helbrass...

[Zzulu]

Grimgor ironhide is 10 times the warrior gorbad was. Gorbad was a commander, grimgor is the warrior.

[Warmaster tibs]

After looking at all the information posted in this thread I cast my vote for *drum roll*....Kroak. If we count for all of warhammer history. Of course if you count gods I would say Chaos gods probly followed by Sigmar.

[Monatu]

Wasn't Sigmar a mortal, and his power lay more in uniting the tribes of the Empire? Iv always viewed him as a mortal, warrior (ala Braveheart) with superb motivation and fighting skills...but not in line with a Chaos God

[TheTotems]

Venerable Lord Kroak took out a dozen Bloodthirsters and a full army of chaos, single handedly.

He wins.

[Zzulu]

Wasn't Sigmar a mortal, and his power lay more in uniting the tribes of the Empire? Iv always viewed him as a mortal, warrior (ala Braveheart) with superb motivation and fighting skills...but not in line with a Chaos God

He was a mortal, but also the greatest human warrior ever. (He was kind of like Conan. He even looked like Conan) Once he wandered into the wastes and dissapeared though, the empire citizens started worshipping him as a god.

[Tingol]

By what measure of strength?

Raw physical power? Combat skills? Influence? Military Genius? They all have their weaknesses and strength. (Except for Niblit who is a major player!)

Venerable Lord Kroak took out a dozen Bloodthirsters and a full army of chaos, single handedly.

He wins.

And Caledor and friends "took out" millions of deamons. So who's the most powerful?

[Grimmhammer]

Sigmar/Emperor FTW!

beats Nagash, Pwnzors thousands of Orcs to save the Dwarf King, Driven the Chaos Tribes to the north and then goes to the warp to pwn more :)

[Zzulu]

By what measure of strength?

Raw physical power? Combat skills? Influence? Military Genius? They all have their weaknesses and strength. (Except for Niblit who is a major player!)



And Caledor and friends "took out" millions of deamons. So who's the most powerful?

There is a difference between "demon" and "greater demon". Like, a massive unimaginable difference.

[sado2020]

Gotrek just because he has the most character imo and somehow the Dwarf pantheon would will his victory, oh and felix would be there somewhere alive too...


Other opinion since prolly Sigmar the man god or maybe Magnus the Pious....

Since I believe they still left how he beat Avasar Kul a mystery, if they described Id like to be informed on that :3

[Nathar]

Gotrek just because he has the most character

And because he promised to help young girls with their selfesteem all around the country.. yes, he's strongest because he has the most character.. eh?

[TheTotems]

And Caledor and friends "took out" millions of deamons. So who's the most powerful?

As previously quoted a daemon and a Greater Daemon, like a Bloodthirster, cannot even be put in the same category.

Not only did Kroak kill the dozen Bloodthirsters, but he also whiped out an army of regular daemons, millions and millions of them, single handedly. Without Kroak, there would be no Sigmar or Nagesh as he saved the world from chaos.

Even dead, this guy kicks , and can demolish a city with easy, and he is dead!

Alive, Lord Kroak could move mountains, form continents. He was on of the 1st Generation of Slanns, who pretty much created the warhamemr word. You can get much more powerful then that.

[Tingol]

There is a difference between "demon" and "greater demon". Like, a massive unimaginable difference.

So you think in those millions of daemons there were no greater daemons at all? more than at dozen thats for sure.

Not only did Kroak kill the dozen Bloodthirsters, but he also whiped out an army of regular daemons, millions and millions of them, single handedly.


I don't know what you're on about, but if you're arguing that kroak "took out" more Greater deamons/daemons/chaos entitys than Caledor you're clearly delusional. The vortex is constantly and have been since its creation "taking out" daemons. And the first bang when it was opened took more than kroak ever did.

Unless you subscribe to the appalling GW writing that have spawned the saying "The slann did it". (god I hate Lizardmen)

[Zzulu]

Why are you attributing the Chaos vortex draining the world of magic as a feat related directly to Caledors personal powerbase? The vortex was created by a covenant of mages and they were lost in it for all eternity as soon as it was formed.

Caledor was powerful, but he was not near Kroak in basic might. His fate was suicide after all, because he didn't want to get caught by the armies of the Dark Elves.

Lord Kroak would have sundered the kingdom of naggaroth in comparison

[Tingol]

Why are you attributing the Chaos vortex draining the world of magic as a feat related directly to Caledors personal powerbase? The vortex was created by a covenant of mages and they were lost in it for all eternity as soon as it was formed.

Caledor was powerful, but he was not near Kroak in basic might. His fate was suicide after all, because he didn't want to get caught by the armies of the Dark Elves.

Lord Kroak would have sundered the kingdom of naggaroth in comparison

Your grasp of basic asur lore is compelling, truly it is. You don't even know what you're talking about, right?

And of course it is related to his magical powerbase, he came up with a spell that noone else did.

Edit: The slann did it!!

[Zzulu]

I got it off Wikipedia. Caledor, when confronted by the Dark Elves after a shipwreck out at sea, killed himself as to avoid capture. Another source says he got caught in his own spell :). Which one is it? Neither seems like a winner to me.

[€dit] seems like the latter, as apparently there are 3 different caledors in warhammer lore

My point about the vortex was that several incredibly powerful mages were involved, as caledor was not alone responsible for the vortex - and most of them had to sacrifice themselves for the spell to be successful. Even Aenarion had to give his life to give the mages time to complete the spell

I mean come on, the slann even helped with the creation of the Vortex by lending some of their energy into the spells creation

[TheTotems]

Caledor does NOT equal Vortex.

The Vortex is powerful yes, but the vortex is not Caledor.

You speak as if he is there himself at every moment.

If the Slann wanted, they could have destoryed every race that ever existed in the world.

Show me somone who wields that power.

Also, Kroak is dead, yet he is so powerful his essence is still tied to his dead body. Where is Caledor?

[Spitefool]

I'd personally love to see Aenarion vs Kroak. Just to test how awesome the Widowmaker actually is.

[Bilious]

If the Slann wanted, they could have destoryed every race that ever existed in the world.

Which is why their hated foe Chaos was destroyed in a moment and everything in the Warhammer World is flowers and bunnies now.

[TheTotems]

Which is why their hated foe Chaos was destroyed in a moment and everything in the Warhammer World is flowers and bunnies now.


Chaos really isnt a race, as compared to humans and such.

[Lord Tareq]

I got it off Wikipedia. Caledor, when confronted by the Dark Elves after a shipwreck out at sea, killed himself as to avoid capture. Another source says he got caught in his own spell :). Which one is it? Neither seems like a winner to me.

The Caledor you speak of was Caledor the second I believe, and he was a mighty warrior and Phoenix King who committed suicide.
The magelord Caledor the first however lived over a thousand years earlier, and was the greatest Elven mage to have ever lived. The trick is, that when he created the vortex all magic was drained from the world, greatly reducing the power of all magic users to come. Many mages who in the time before the Vortex could cast great feats of magic, lost their ability to cast magic at all. Only the greatest mages retained the ability to use the diminished winds of magic.
So in a way its unfair to compare later magic users to those of that age, who were naturally more powerful.

[Tingol]

I mean come on, the slann even helped with the creation of the Vortex by lending some of their energy into the spells creation

Hence "lizardmen did it"

[Tingol]

Also, Kroak is dead, yet he is so powerful his essence is still tied to his dead body. Where is Caledor?

Keeping the vortex up.

Anyway, you seem like one of the ranting fanboys that frequent some 40k discussions, completely unable to read between the lines.

If you read my first post I in no way claim Kroak as less powerful, I just (unlike you) take a larger perspective. I would say that Caledor is stronger in some sense than Kroak. The slann couldn't do the vortex for example. And who cares if there were more elven mages involved in the making. It's not like everything the slann did they did one by one.

Edit: Shoulda made one post :S

[Zzulu]

I think it is immensely funny that the most powerful mortal in the warhammer world was a giant fat frog with magical powers

[TheTotems]

Its just so bad .

Also Kroak was around before the Vortex was created, so they can be compared.

I just love the High Elf fanbois.

[Nathar]

First thing to get straight:

Caledor the dragontamer (mage): Is most likely still not dead but stick somewhere out of time and space inside the vortex. Saying he's more powerful than Kroak is a stretch, but he is immensely powerful (and more innovative than Kroak, thinking up the vortex afterall).

Caledor the first (Phoenix King): Great king, died drowning himself instead of risking getting caught by the druchii (wuss, we'd given him a nice time......).

Caledor the second (Phoenix king): Killed by the dwarven king Gotrek (NOT Gotrek Gurnisson) at the end of the War of the Beards/War of vengeance. Not so great a king, lacking the sense and discipline of many other elven lords.



Now, when discussing the importance of the actions matching Kroak to Caledor (the dragontamer) is pretty hard. The most specific we know of Kroak is his actions in the war of chaos. As part of the first generation of slanns he is partly responsible for the world as it exists. Caledor was largely responsible for the end of the first chaos war, which is also a decent act of importance. He did not however kill all the daemons (but don't fool yourselves, several greater daemons went down as well) that was killed by the vortex, not directly. Kroak did actually kill every one of the daemons in the stories about his defense of some temple city. Including the "dusins of greater daemons".

Kroak takes the price.

[TheTotems]

First thing to get straight:

Caledor the dragontamer (mage): Is most likely still not dead but stick somewhere out of time and space inside the vortex. Saying he's more powerful than Kroak is a stretch, but he is immensely powerful (and more innovative than Kroak, thinking up the vortex afterall).

Caledor the first (Phoenix King): Great king, died drowning himself instead of risking getting caught by the druchii (wuss, we'd given him a nice time......).

Caledor the second (Phoenix king): Killed by the dwarven king Gotrek (NOT Gotrek Gurnisson) at the end of the War of the Beards/War of vengeance. Not so great a king, lacking the sense and discipline of many other elven lords.



Now, when discussing the importance of the actions matching Kroak to Caledor (the dragontamer) is pretty hard. The most specific we know of Kroak is his actions in the war of chaos. As part of the first generation of slanns he is partly responsible for the world as it exists. Caledor was largely responsible for the end of the first chaos war, which is also a decent act of importance. He did not however kill all the daemons (but don't fool yourselves, several greater daemons went down as well) that was killed by the vortex, not directly. Kroak did actually kill every one of the daemons in the stories about his defense of some temple city. Including the "dusins of greater daemons".

Kroak takes the price.

Well put sir.

[Newhope]

As far as I can remember lore wise the only person to actually kill a greater deamon is Aenarion with Widowmaker who killed one of each type apart from a bloodthister which his dragon killed, all the other demons where simpley banished from the mortal world for a set amount of time.

[Bilious]

As far as I can remember lore wise the only person to actually kill a greater deamon is Aenarion with Widowmaker who killed one of each type apart from a bloodthister which his dragon killed, all the other demons where simpley banished from the mortal world for a set amount of time.

The fluff is rarely specific about whether a daemon was killed or banished, and it rarely matters. (The only occasions I can think of where it really comes up is N'Kari's high elf fetish that it won't let drop, and the Bloodthirster of Karag Dum) It was the Great Unclean One that Indraugnir finished off though; Aenarion was stuck in its entrails so Indraugnir had to burn him out. The distraction to Indraugnir gave an opening for one of the other daemons to mortally wound him.

[Corm]

He's not exactly Canon but personally I'd have to go with Gotrek mostly for the same reason's Calelith stated.

Its hinted in several of the novels that he is being kept for a special doom by the God/s so there is nothing that is gonna kill him till that time comes. None of yer pansy elf's or your demon spawned cowards or even your undead skin sacks. All wimps the lot of em! Gotrek could drink for a year, have one hand tied behind his back and be eating a roast cow and he would stilll whoop the rest of em.

*sniffs* I so wanna play a Slayer in WAR. *sniffs* 'snofair!

Going by proper 100% accepted canon and previous discussions though id agree completely with Teronans 3 lists. :p

[11twsister]

im biased, buuuuut GORBAD IRONCLAW

[Nathar]

He's not exactly Canon but personally I'd have to go with Gotrek mostly for the same reason's Calelith stated.

Its hinted in several of the novels that he is being kept for a special doom by the God/s so there is nothing that is gonna kill him till that time comes. None of yer pansy elf's or your demon spawned cowards or even your undead skin sacks. All wimps the lot of em! Gotrek could drink for a year, have one hand tied behind his back and be eating a roast cow and he would stilll whoop the rest of em.

*sniffs* I so wanna play a Slayer in WAR. *sniffs* 'snofair!

Going by proper 100% accepted canon and previous discussions though id agree completely with Teronans 3 lists. :p

But as I've argued before, he fate could be tripping in a chicken cage, getting impaled on a chicken beak, if that's his all important doom. Noone knows what it is.

Also your argument (crudelly put) is that he can't die until the day he dies.. well can't you say that about every single person, real or fantasy. Gotrek is a grand slayer amongst throngs of grand slayers (I know I'd rather shoot them down than have them work their way through my spearmen), but you can't compare him to the greatest of the great.

[Bilious]

But as I've argued before, he fate could be tripping in a chicken cage, getting impaled on a chicken beak, if that's his all important doom. Noone knows what it is.

Also your argument (crudelly put) is that he can't die until the day he dies.. well can't you say that about every single person, real or fantasy. Gotrek is a grand slayer amongst throngs of grand slayers (I know I'd rather shoot them down than have them work their way through my spearmen), but you can't compare him to the greatest of the great.

I think it's fair to say he's up there. Teclis is scared of him (Or at least wouldn't want to have to fight him), he's beaten a bloodthirster while injured, he's definitely strong. He can hang with the greatest, he just wouldn't ever be the overall winner. Top 20 is pretty good for a whole planet though.

[Nathar]

I think it's fair to say he's up there. Teclis is scared of him (Or at least wouldn't want to have to fight him), he's beaten a bloodthirster while injured, he's definitely strong. He can hang with the greatest, he just wouldn't ever be the overall winner. Top 20 is pretty good for a whole planet though.

Definately, he's the kind of guy who takes apart thousands upon thousands of enemies. I just find it hard to accept the argument used in the previous post. Using his accomplishments as arguments, that I can accept.

[Gaugamela]

Well one of the greatest strengths of Gotrek is Felix...
Without him he would have been dead a long time ago.
If you consider Gotrek and Felix together, they are one of the most powerful forces in the Warhammer universe.

[grsaidimor]

We couldn't possibly know that. After all Crom is a warrior. He would want to fight Grimgor one on one to test their own martial prowess as well as to determine who was the best. I think Crom would be most displeased if his men interfered. No doubt that Grimgor lost that battle but his personal confrontation with Crom was far from over.

Well.. If we talk only about lore and not for in game, then dont miss RAGNA... Shamans from all around old world got prophecies about an Orc who will conquer the world and destroy everything in hes pass with hes axe blessed by both Mork and Gork. And many shamans already start searching for him. WAAAGH!!!

[Wotizchop Bbydunchpi]

Ragnarorc iz comin!

[Leonhartkonigs]

Most powerful?

Gork 'n Mork.

I shall tell you why. Long ago in an early edition of Warhammer Fantasy, there was a short story about Gork 'n Mork, and a cave they found in a mountain (I think). They discovered a deamon in there and promptly beat the hells out of it, and then wandered off...



...turned out the deamon was the Chaos God Nurgle...

EDIT: Okay, Gods are sort of characters, but not quite in the same area as Gotrek et all. Most powerful from my view...so many, strong in so many different areas, that there are a wide plethora of strong characters, too many to claim that one is the overall most badass.

[Bruglir]

in terms of stats, Archaon just got a hefty boost, and is easily a close tie in.

Malekith, though. takes the cake here.

2+ unmodifiable armour save against all non magical attacks?
lvl 4 sorcerer? can choose his spells?
can only take 1 wound from multiple wounding sources, even instant death (cannonballs) only inflict 1 wound?!
every time a spell is cast at him, if he dispels it, the caster takes a str6 hit for every power dice they used.
if he hits anyone carying a magic item they have a chance to lose a magic level/magic item.

that's pretty friggin nasty to be honest. not to mention he's I8 so he's hitting first a hell of a lot, and riding a dragon.

then again, Tyrion is pretty badass as well. sure, his toughness is lacking, but he ignores all flame based attacks, he has a 1+ save, with a 4+ ward, and a 4+ regenerate...

so first you have to even be able to hit him, then wound him, then he gets 3 armour saves per wound...


grimgor is just badass in game terms too... there are very few characters that can go head to head with him.



fluff wise, Malus Darkblade has my vote though. gotrek a close second... Gotrek may have killed a Bloodthirster, but he had the help of an axe made by a god, and a hammer wielded by gods. Malus just tore out its throat with his bog standard sword...

Teclis fears Gotreks axe, not Gotrek himself.

[Tae]

in terms of stats, Archaon just got a hefty boost, and is easily a close tie in.

Malekith, though. takes the cake here.

2+ unmodifiable armour save against all non magical attacks?
lvl 4 sorcerer? can choose his spells?
can only take 1 wound from multiple wounding sources, even instant death (cannonballs) only inflict 1 wound?!
every time a spell is cast at him, if he dispels it, the caster takes a str6 hit for every power dice they used.
if he hits anyone carying a magic item they have a chance to lose a magic level/magic item.

that's pretty friggin nasty to be honest. not to mention he's I8 so he's hitting first a hell of a lot, and riding a dragon.

then again, Tyrion is pretty badass as well. sure, his toughness is lacking, but he ignores all flame based attacks, he has a 1+ save, with a 4+ ward, and a 4+ regenerate...

so first you have to even be able to hit him, then wound him, then he gets 3 armour saves per wound...


grimgor is just badass in game terms too... there are very few characters that can go head to head with him.



fluff wise, Malus Darkblade has my vote though. gotrek a close second... Gotrek may have killed a Bloodthirster, but he had the help of an axe made by a god, and a hammer wielded by gods. Malus just tore out its throat with his bog standard sword...

Teclis fears Gotreks axe, not Gotrek himself.

Even as a Dark Elf player, I'll freely admit that Malekith will get spanked by Grimgor Ironhide all day long. 7 ASF st7 attacks with hatred. You may only take one wound at a time, Sir, but you're getting no armour save and he's hitting on 4's with re-rolls and wonding on 3's. That's going to kill him just on averages (5.75 hits and 3.5 wounds based on averages). This is not to mention Chaos Lords with Runeshields, Bloodthirsters with Obsidion Armour, etc. etc.

As for Malus, he killed the 'thirster using the demon's strength :P so bit unfair to beat down on Gotrek for killing it with a weapon of the gods when Malus had the strength of a demon inside him :p (though Malus is undoubtedly cooler, Gotrek is a dwarf after all).

[Bruglir]

oh for sure, gotrek is a hardass. but teclis has said after just looking at gotrek and his axe, that the power of the axe is transforming gotrek. most likely into an avatar of grimnir himself.

meaning, gotreks power can be compared to that of a lesser god, albeit with human (dwarven) limitations.

it's both fortunate, and unfortunate, that all the famous characters have stagnant stats within the game. if they actually reprisented the way they were in the novels, gotrek would be running round with ws/str10, a 2+ward save, and all the other nasties.
Teclis would be able to decimate an entire army with a wave of a hand. etc.

there's no real easy way to answer a "who's the strongest" question... in the current lineup, as far as stats go, i've killed more with grimgor, for sure. but tyrion has much better survivability against bigger things. plus, point value says tyrion is the best.

in terms of the fluff... god knows, heaven forbid they all get into an epic scrap. we've already read that tyrion has beaten N'Kari in single combat, Teclis has destroyed Bel'Lakors daemon host with a single spell, he's also beaten Malekith in a mage duel, even though he's about an 8th of Malekiths age.

Morathi is downright dangerous. she's attractive, she can fight like a hag queen and cast spells like a daemon.

Archaon is just plain nails. especially when you unleash the king slayer.

there's just so much to go for... any book you read will usually put the main character as being unstoppable. the reason i loved Giantslayer so much, was that it didn't under, or overstate either gotrek or teclis' power. they were both extremely wary of each other, and although teclis lacks in brawn, his brain power made him just as deadly in every fight they got into together.

[Artein]

Malekith, though. takes the cake here.

2+ unmodifiable armour save against all non magical attacks?
lvl 4 sorcerer? can choose his spells?
can only take 1 wound from multiple wounding sources, even instant death (cannonballs) only inflict 1 wound?!
every time a spell is cast at him, if he dispels it, the caster takes a str6 hit for every power dice they used.
if he hits anyone carying a magic item they have a chance to lose a magic level/magic item.

that's pretty friggin nasty to be honest. not to mention he's I8 so he's hitting first a hell of a lot, and riding a dragon.
Where have you been for a past few months? We have a new edition since august and new Malekith. And he never was the strongest game-wise.

[Bruglir]

Where have you been for a past few months? We have a new edition since august and new Malekith. And he never was the strongest game-wise.

those are the current edition rules.

[Reona]

Ciaphas Cain
nothing can stop the Jurgen ex machina

[wilq]

For me one of the most powerful chars in wh is Malekith, immortal, one of the greatest mages, warriors and generals in wh history.

[Bruglir]

For me one of the most powerful chars in wh is Malekith, immortal, one of the greatest mages, warriors and generals in wh history.

beaten in a mage duel by teclis, beaten in single combat by eltharion, prophesied to be killed by a sorcerer.

i reckon nagash will do him in the end. or like, a son, or something stupid.


stat wise, yeah, he's pretty hard to kill at the moment, but he doesn't dish out much damage either.

the top 3 statwise are (in no order)
Grimgaw Ironhide
Archaon
Tyrion

as i said before, fluff wise it's hard to tell, as in any novel that a character appears in, they're constantly beset by impossible odds and come out on top. it's rare that two big characters will actually duke it out and one will come out clearly on top.

Grimgaw > Archaon > Valten.
Teclis > Malekith
Tyrion > N'kari (keeper of secrets)
Karl Franz > nobody
Elves > Goblins (all goblins fear elves)


though, another fairly badass character atm is that chaos dragon... the one that fights itself and stuff.

[youbetyaplay]

Even though this thread is old i thought id come back on here and say something. Gotrek should not be counted as one of the strongest warhammer characters. He did not kill the bloodthirster 1v1. Felix came in before the bloodthirster was able to finish of gotrek and then gotrek got the bloodthirster while it was distracted. Another example is Gotrek lost 1v1 aginst arek daemonclaw (i prolly spelt his name wrong oh well) but snorri and bjorni came in and saved his hide.Gotrek is not blessed by the warhammer gods but just by William King and Nathan Long so they can make another book and continue one of the best warhammer series.

[Soulsmith]

Just because goblins fear elves does not in any way make elves better than them. Hell, Ulthaun got a sound thrashing form an all goblin horde.

[novafix]

I think it's fair to say he's up there. Teclis is scared of him (Or at least wouldn't want to have to fight him), he's beaten a bloodthirster while injured, he's definitely strong. He can hang with the greatest, he just wouldn't ever be the overall winner. Top 20 is pretty good for a whole planet though.

To be fair the Bloodthirster had waded through a Dwarf army equipped with powerful rune weapons and had taken a pounding in the process and it still almost killed Gotrek. It was only Felix throwing the hammer at it (which was comparable in kick arseness to Gotreks Axe) that distracted it enough for Gotrek to kill it. And then he collapsed and almost died.

Saying that Gotrek had previously been fighting the horde accompanying the Bloodthirster but it's not 100% accurate to say that he killed it 1 on 1.

[novafix]

Just because goblins fear elves does not in any way make elves better than them. Hell, Ulthaun got a sound thrashing form an all goblin horde.

Not all Goblin. The Shaman rode a Wyvern :P

[Veilside]

To be fair the Bloodthirster had waded through a Dwarf army equipped with powerful rune weapons and had taken a pounding in the process and it still almost killed Gotrek. It was only Felix throwing the hammer at it (which was comparable in kick arseness to Gotreks Axe) that distracted it enough for Gotrek to kill it. And then he collapsed and almost died.

Saying that Gotrek had previously been fighting the horde accompanying the Bloodthirster but it's not 100% accurate to say that he killed it 1 on 1.

Whereas Archaon single handedly defeated a Bloodthirster, before he was crowned as Lord of the End Times. And that after being beset by the three other chaos gods, and climbing up a mountain.

[Monatu]

Wow something must have changed in the newest edition cause when I played (when Deamons of Chaos + warriors were still in 1 army book, and it depended on your general for core/special units) Archaon kicked the crap out of Grimgaw stats wise (with his freaking 10 attacks, even if they could hurt him)

[Dharma Agent]

Aenarion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Elves_(Warhammer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Elves_%28Warhammer))

The first and only to draw the Sword of Khaine, fell in battle mortally wounded after defeating 4 greater demons.
Which is no mean task.

Although as not beign a table top playable character for high elves gonna have to stick with Tyrion, who actually wears Aenarions armour(which has some uber stats)

I was appalled that noone else mentioned Aenarion sooner.

[Von Stabb]

beaten in a mage duel by teclis, beaten in single combat by eltharion, prophesied to be killed by a sorcerer.

i reckon nagash will do him in the end. or like, a son, or something stupid.


Maybe his mother will kill him.No such thing as Dark Elf loyalty after all,you never know...

[DaBigBoss]

In my opinion these guys are the most powerful 'non-godlike' characters:

- Sigmar
- Malekith
- Nagash
- Archaon
- Grimgor
- Mazdamundi
- Orion
- Aenarion

That isn't in order from best to worst by the way, although I would have to say Aenarion, Nagash and Mazdamundi would be up at the top.

[Von Stabb]

- Sigmar
- Malekith
- Nagash
- Archaon
- Grimgor
- Mazdamundi
- Orion
- Aenarion


Sigmar is missing since for ever and presumed dead & deified into a god.He may have reached the Realm of Chaos where he fights the 4 gods from within.As such,he will never return to the material world again.

The venerable lord Kroak is heaps more powerful than Mazdamundi.Grimgor actually beat Archaon 1v1 (he did have the element of surprise tho).Isn`t Aenarion long dead? Orion is indeed strong but localized in Athel Loren,which he never leaves (fluff-wise).Plus his stats and rules on the tabletop aren`t that great,there are otehr heroes who are much stronger.