Choppa or Marauder?

[Ironblood]

which is the most crazy dps, kill you in seconds like a warcraft rogue/fury warrior class ?
im looking for more burst damage then substained dps. when it comes down to it

[Krulltak]

We do not know enough about the Maurader. But apperantly, you are looking for a "best" class. WELL YOU WON'T FIND IT. There is no best class. There NEVER was.

There is only unique classes. Find a class that fits your style and stop looking for something unbeatable.

From what we know, the Choppa is moderately to lightly armored(which translates to ex-WoW players as mail armor and leather armor), and starts a fight out with moderate damage. He foccuses on using special moves to build up his fury, like a WoW Warrior's rage, and the more of it he has the stronger his attacks get and the more abilities open up for use during combat.

You can either keep that fury at full force through the battle doing heavy hits or use it up on REALLY big hits for the tougher targets, which wastes the fury and you have to ramp it up again.

From the little info we know of the Maurader, he is about using his mutations for special situations, as in certain mutations are good against one target and vice versa. But that is all we know.

[Ironblood]

i am in no way lookng for the ultimate class
those classes in wow i referenced are not unbeatable at all, im looking for a high damage fast paced class, with very little attention on defence and healing and having the ability to last long in battles besides just taking down people for as long as u can before getting nailed.

that's what i'm looking for the class that can dish out the highest amount of damage in a short amount of time cause with a dps class like these two ur likely to die the second someone decides to come for you.

[Krulltak]

Well, you are not going to be a complete softy. If you are looking for something anywhere close to a WoW rogue go Witch Hunter. The Choppa is like a Light Tank. He ain't going to be going down in two hits, but his enemies sure will.:)

However, we still don't know anything about the Maurader of the elf offensive melee classes.

[Norick13]

which is the most crazy dps, kill you in seconds like a warcraft rogue/fury warrior class ?
im looking for more burst damage then substained dps. when it comes down to it


This isn't wow. If you want to be some 133td00d who can two shot people wow is the game for you. This game will take much more skill than that.

In response to your question: Go open up wow, lvl a mage, and make a macro...and hope it crits. there you go. 3-steps you can follow to make the, "most crazy dps, kill you in a seconds"...(not sure what it's plural, but it sure does sound like you know what you're doing)

gg, go back to wow.

[Gemini]

Ignore them, this community at large is still bitter about WoW. But what they are saying is somewhat true, do not expect to kill anything in a few seconds. As for the best dps, ignoring everything else... we just don't know. It's way too early, almost all of us havn't even played the game, and those that have have played it played it an extremely early beta build for a short period of time.

If I were to tank a random guess, I would say neither actually, but the Dark Elf melee dps class; witch elf, assassin, adept of khaine, executioner, we dunno what it will be. Some people say they're sure it will or won't be (insert class here). Yet, so many of those are completely biased and often contradict eachother, so anyone not from Mythic who says "It will be this, this, and this", ignore them. Either that, or they do actually know and just violated an NDA.

[Ironblood]

k thanks for info, i heard btw them mentioning assassins at one time when talking about dark elfs, but i doubt they'll be the class just cause they sound like a stealth class (duh!) and the developers have made it clear that there will be no stealth class's due to the whole problem of gankiing and wwhat not ..........*sigh* oh well still beats wow.:D

[Krulltak]

k thanks for info, i heard btw them mentioning assassins at one time when talking about dark elfs, but i doubt they'll be the class just cause they sound like a stealth class (duh!) and the developers have made it clear that there will be no stealth class's due to the whole problem of gankiing and wwhat not ..........*sigh* oh well still beats wow.:D


The Witch Hunter is very much a class that would be "stealthy", yet he does not have to have an invisibilty spell. Matter o' fact, he is about not being seen and attacking from behind, just without the invisibility skill of WoW.

So the same can be done for Druchii Assasins.

[Norick13]

k thanks for info, i heard btw them mentioning assassins at one time when talking about dark elfs, but i doubt they'll be the class just cause they sound like a stealth class (duh!) and the developers have made it clear that there will be no stealth class's due to the whole problem of gankiing and wwhat not ..........*sigh* oh well still beats wow.:D


Not having stealth in the game will be amazing. By the sounds of your posts though...you should just stick with wow :mrgreen:

[Gemini]

Prepare to be amzed, norick, it has been stated again and again by the devs very strongly that there will be no sorts of invisbility, from stealth skills or otherwise. They did leave the door open to other types of stealthy tactics, we'll have to see about that.

[Norick13]

Prepare to be amzed, norick, it has been stated again and again by the devs very strongly that there will be no sorts of invisbility, from stealth skills or otherwise. They did leave the door open to other types of stealthy tactics, we'll have to see about that.


I have no quams about a person who takes skill to sneak around, eg witchhunters (hopefully), i actually look forward to seeing them fight (I secretly want to roll one). But as far as stealth - in wow - it really doesn't take that much skill to stand and watch a fight develop...look for someone at low health...shadowstep ambush...zomg cloak of shadows...restealth...trust me I've done it on my brothers rogue...

ps *amazed*

[Eltair Shadowblade]

concerning the stealth

i read somewhere here, that a developer told us that atm(not taking de & he pairs in consideration) the squig herder would be the most stealthy class.

because he was tiny, he could hide behind a bush etc.

so...what about a stealth mode that does the follwing things:
1)your char goes crouching
2)they cant see your name floating, or auto-tab

so, if youre going to croach on the middle of a battlefield, everyone is going to laugh at you and kill you.
however, behind bush, high grass and stuff they wont see you.
even more important...it would require skill

think of a tiger, trying to come as close to his prey as possible, and then when close enough, he has to sprint too them on the right time.

what do ya all think bout it?

[Vidrak]

I think all name tags should be hidden unless the target is engaged in combat. This would allow for sneak attacks and ambushes at times. Longer names/guild names should not be penalized for being long and standing out when trying to hide/sneak/whatever.

And of course, faction members would all have name tags at all times, but enemies with a big red flag over their heads seems a little rediculous.

And how did this thread turn into a stealth/name tag thread anyways, lol.

On Topic:
The Marauder looks to be more interesting than I thought, however, I will not roll one. I never really liked Chaos, as they always seemed very powerful just due to all the demons and gods they have running around on the battlefield ... how can you lose with a demon or god fighting (like physically there) for you? It just seems a bit rediculous to me. Though this being an MMO, they will most definitely be chopped down to size.

I think I will enjoy playing and Orc Choppa, and RPing it as well, more than any other race. Though, I did play Orcs and Gobbos on the table top, so I have been a fan for a long while now :)

And to the OP:
How the hell would anyone know? The information was released YESTERDAY. And if anyone knows, it would be an NDA break, at least until the next convention where the Marauder is a playable class. Even if we had specifics, things are being balanced and changed daily, so it wouldn't be the same in a month, let alone on release. I would expect most DPS based classes (like the Choppa and Marauder) would be almost equal in damage capability. Though, I am sure they will play much differently, so it would depend on your play style.

[Zeetchmen]

Marauders have to build points to mutate but Choppas build points to hit harder

Your choice :cool:

[Pieter Klass]

k thanks for info, i heard btw them mentioning assassins at one time when talking about dark elfs, but i doubt they'll be the class just cause they sound like a stealth class (duh!) and the developers have made it clear that there will be no stealth class's due to the whole problem of gankiing and wwhat not ..........*sigh* oh well still beats wow.:D


Assains also use disguise so maybe u see them as an ally then blat
it aint stealth just tweeks the rules

[Taurth]

which is the most crazy dps, kill you in seconds like a warcraft rogue/fury warrior class ?
im looking for more burst damage then substained dps. when it comes down to it

Witch Hunters have the best burst damage in the game. You should roll one of those.

[Krulltak]

Witch Hunters have the best burst damage in the game. You should roll one of those.

And you know this how?

[Servitude]

I'm glad that there will not be Stealth in WAR. It really made Rogues ezmode in WoW ='( got to a point that a Rogue only died because he let himself...he can stay stealthed forever!

Though I have heard interesting things about ambushes =D Heard a story about a bunch of Greenskins hiding up in a tree and jumping down on some Stunties heh...Would be cool if you could climb trees, or have some sort of semi-stealth that would hide your name and let you crouch.

Cheers

[Taurth]

And you know this how?

Because I'm psychic.

[Baron Khaine]

Roll Marauder, then you can say you play the same class as me.

[Krulltak]

Roll Marauder, then you can say you play the same class as me.


And that's good how?

And Taurthy, psychics are to be burned for heresy.

But anyway, if you want pure carnage, go Choppa.

If you want highly specialized carnage with your arms turning into a delicious sea food special for all those hungry Imperial peasants to eat, go Marauder.

[Taurth]

You could roll a Marauder and call him Davey Jones, it'd work especially well when you get your tier 4 armour.

[Krulltak]

You could roll a Marauder and call him Davey Jones, it'd work especially well when you get your tier 4 armour.


Damn you, now I'm really tempted to play one for that reason. :mad:

[gAshH]

Marauder looks cool, but I really like the whole building up frenzy in combat the Choppas have. It's a pretty tough call.

[Hatemonger]

Marauders look awesome. Choppas are basically Black Orcs who couldn't afford the cool-looking armor. :p

[Krulltak]

Marauders look awesome. Choppas are basically Black Orcs who couldn't afford the cool-looking armor. :p


No, Choppas are what orcs consider clinically insane, which is saying something considering the average orc's mental stability by human standards is already crazy.

And giant green madmen with weapons bigger then his opponent seem a lot more dangerous then some humie git with seafood for a weapon.:p

And Marauders run around half naked. The only visible armor on them is a lion cloth and an overly-stupidly designed helmet. How could a mear shiny helmet looks awesome?

The Choppa looks savage if you ask me. Shoddy armor plates, fur cloaks, scale leather armor, big leather helm with horns, and giant wolf skulls, and overall a definatly orcy look.

[Hatemonger]

Well, I certainly can't say that your opinion is wrong.

But I oh so want to. :p

[Krulltak]

Well, I certainly can't say that your opinion is wrong.

But I oh so want to. :p


So do I. That's why I do. And I just did. Your opinion is wrong.;)

[Baron Khaine]

The Marauder is a norse man gone bad. He is a viking that can channel his god, which in turn give's him powerful mutations, most of which we haven't even seen yet. All we have seen is the "Crab Claw" mutation, there will be far more and they will be much cooler.

Which would you prefer? Fighting for fightings sake, or fighting to serve a higher power.

[Taurth]

I'm not entirely convinced that the mutation we've seen is the "crab claw". It doesn't look very crab clawy, and its basically the same axe like mutation shown in the tier 2 concept art, apart from it has teeth.

I think we may see an actual "crab claw" mutation that actually resembles and a crab or lobster claw.

[Ghrond]

A viscious spike would be nice. Or perhaps a giant chaos fork - no! A Chaos Spork!

How cool is that :D

Was there not also a mace concept for the Marauder? I seem to remember that.

[Gemini]

I'm not entirely convinced that the mutation we've seen is the "crab claw". It doesn't look very crab clawy, and its basically the same axe like mutation shown in the tier 2 concept art, apart from it has teeth.

I think we may see an actual "crab claw" mutation that actually resembles and a crab or lobster claw.

I doubt that, I'm pretty sure that is what we've seen. A crab claw is just what they call it so people understand the general concept of it. Mutations into animal parts is not chaosy, chaos disfigures, warps, and generally disfigures such things to better serve it's purpose. An actual crab claw from a crab would just... boring, and not at all chaosy.

[Taurth]

These Daemonettes (http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/wallpapers/images/wp07-1024x768.jpg) have crab claws, and they look very Chaosy.

I just can't see how the mutation we've seen can be considering a crab claw, especially when the teeth on the in-game model look like they've simply been drawn on to the model, and that they wouldn't actually open atall anyway.

[Krulltak]

These Daemonettes (http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/wallpapers/images/wp07-1024x768.jpg) have crab claws, and they look very Chaosy.

I just can't see how the mutation we've seen can be considering a crab claw, especially when the teeth on the in-game model look like they've simply been drawn on to the model, and that they wouldn't actually open atall anyway.


Those are the crab claws I was imagining the Marauder to have.

I also once saw artwork of an Ungor of Tzeentch with a crab claw.

[Soulreaver]

Choppa looks alot more fun, imo. I like concept of berserking more, and I also prefer them aesthetically. I might be a bit biased since i'm rolling a greenskin, but, then again, it looks like everybody else is pretty biased too. :P

create each of one, and see how you like their playstyle and stylization, as well as their starting zone.

[Ruben Plooster]

The Choppa looks savage if you ask me. Shoddy armor plates, fur cloaks, scale leather armor, big leather helm with horns, and giant wolf skulls, and overall a definatly orcy look.


Uhm.. aren't you forgetting something? Like the enormous Choppas they have? I think the Choppa will do a bit more damage since the dwarfs are so damn armoured, right from the start, whereas many of the Imperials wear skirts and dresses.

[Krulltak]

Uhm.. aren't you forgetting something? Like the enormous Choppas they have? I think the Choppa will do a bit more damage since the dwarfs are so damn armoured, right from the start, whereas many of the Imperials wear skirts and dresses.


The Imperials do not wear "skirts and dresses". Unless thier a woman. DO NOT confuse robes and big puffy Shakespearian pants with "dresses".

[Vidrak]

Which would you prefer? Fighting for fightings sake, or fighting to serve a higher power.
Just an FYI, Greenskins have gods as well. So it isn't like they are not doing the same thing. All the gods want is fighting and war, so the Greenskins definitely deliver on that. Greenskins could care less about master plans of converting everyone to thier gods, they just want to fight.

[Gemini]

I disagree, the greenskins would fight no matter what Gorm and Mork said. They don't fight because G&M say so, they fight because thats what they enjoy, and all they know. Gork and Mork are not saying "go kill stunties", where as Tzeentch is saying "Go kill and corrupt the empire."

[Fruitpunch]

burst=choppa

dps=marauder

[Krulltak]

burst=choppa

dps=marauder



Wrong. Whatever you're pulling out yer arse is just the same speculation as anyone else.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Choppas Chop
Marauders Maraud

[Abraskadabra]

^^
And just going back to what Taurth was saying earlier, wheni hear crab claw, i think claws ala "Old one eye" .
Hes the big tyranid special monster.
Its not really relevant or anything but his claws were awesome!

[atasel]

Same two classes I'm attracted to. :)

Gonna level up both a little bit at start to see wich I prefer, and then only continue with one.

[Xorq]

We do not know enough about the Maurader. But apperantly, you are looking for a "best" class. WELL YOU WON'T FIND IT. There is no best class. There NEVER was.

There is only unique classes. Find a class that fits your style and stop looking for something unbeatable.

From what we know, the Choppa is moderately to lightly armored(which translates to ex-WoW players as mail armor and leather armor), and starts a fight out with moderate damage. He foccuses on using special moves to build up his fury, like a WoW Warrior's rage, and the more of it he has the stronger his attacks get and the more abilities open up for use during combat.

You can either keep that fury at full force through the battle doing heavy hits or use it up on REALLY big hits for the tougher targets, which wastes the fury and you have to ramp it up again.

From the little info we know of the Maurader, he is about using his mutations for special situations, as in certain mutations are good against one target and vice versa. But that is all we know.

That seems to be pretty much like champion in LotRo and I really liked playing a champ.

[Krulltak]

That seems to be pretty much like champion in LotRo and I really liked playing a champ.


The LOTRO Champion is a moderatly armored, heavy melee damage class just like the Choppa is, or Marauder, Witch Hunter, Hammerer and whatever the hell the offensive melee classes are for Elves.