WP and their iconic look

[RockpapperWaagh]

Okay so their is a thread somewhat about WP look however i have a few different things to yap about, and hell we got almost a year before the game is scedualed to come out, and not being in beta i have nothing better to do after my rp events in other games.

Now part of my topic is the difference in the look between male and female WP's. Now most quotes are "sons of sigmar" and "priest" generally to me denotes male. However seeing concept art of the female ((basically a goan of arc type look with a hammer instead of a sword)) leads me to believe both sex's will be playable.

First issue: the hair, or lack their of. Now I know they havent released much in terms of the nit picky stuff. However have any SS or statements been made about WP allowed to have hair. Personally i am hoping not. If it is allowes the most i want to see is the friar tuck look. Secondly what about the females? Now the concept art shows her as having cropped short hair..... well that isnt bald now is it. Will we have the option for bald female WP's??

Second issue: ive been reading a few posts comparing the armor styles of say, chaos chosen to WP, or pretty much any other armor to WP. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the WP look is supposed to be bare minimums for the most part. You know a couple skulls, some signs of sigmar all attached to a big tin cam breastplate surrounded by tattered robes and scrolls. Now this being the case. I dont exactly see a WP running around with a goblin head attached to his armor. What is the fluff WP get in terms of trophies.

I think thats about it for now. The WP alone is making me go out and buy the empire TT army book just to read about them. Something about their art and description triggered the "must be one" inside me.

[snapmaster]

What is the fluff WP get in terms of trophies.

well IMO, i hope WP can get a HUGE deus sigmar to hang on them selves, along with burning incense from a skull and seals and pages of scripture and what not.

Like This (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=539&c=3)

also a huge variety of robes. I like the flaming skulls on this WP (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=558&c=3)

[Biocide]

With the whole hair thing, I'm sure there'd be an outrage, think the no "female" greenskin models, even though they're not males either, and this time with less lore backing. Also, if someone wants to prove their devotion to Sigmar, they'd be bald I s'pose. But since most females are purposely made to be pretty, hair will be used, lots.

Anyway, with the trophies thing, I have no idea on the lore, so here goes my stab in the dark. Iconically, you've got two types of priests there'd be here, ones who look like they don't know what wealth is, and those who use it to decorate themselves. Now, in order to maintain the pious look, I'd say the WP will go the decorative route, main reason being that you just can't manage it the other way in any flashy way, and trophies should be flashy.

[WarderDragon]

First issue: the hair, or lack their of. Now I know they havent released much in terms of the nit picky stuff. However have any SS or statements been made about WP allowed to have hair. Personally i am hoping not. If it is allowes the most i want to see is the friar tuck look. Secondly what about the females? Now the concept art shows her as having cropped short hair..... well that isnt bald now is it. Will we have the option for bald female WP's??

They havent yet released anything official, nor have they really even brought it up , but there have been a few screen captures and a video demonstration where a Warrior Priest did have hair. Now, it was short cropped, and anything is subject to change - they are still working on creating the models for Empire characters, afterall(which is why you see all the females with the same haircuts, and almost all Empire males are either bald or share the same short hairstyle), but it could be indicative of hair actually being in. We really wont know until either a developer clears up the issue, or we see a screenshot that is indicative one way or another later down the line, when Empire is more fleshed out.

As far as females go, I really do not see any reason why they wouldnt allow you to make a bald one. Honestly, this is an MMORPG, so it would be practical suiecide on the part of Mythic to have a standard, universal look that you are stuck with on character creation - there has to be some visible customization/personalization of your avatar - and I am sure whatever is implemented, there are going to be people who are going to want to play bald female Warrior Priests, even if hair is available.

I am personally in favor of there being hair options of some sort for the Warrior Priests. Yeah, its probably not the most popular opinion, but I have a few reasons. For one, each class has its own iconic look, but that is mainly to distinguish the different miniature archetypes on the tabletop game - that doesnt mean that in the actual Warhammer universe every Witch Hunter has a moustache, sideburns, and the same suit, or that every Bright Wizard has the same curled moustache and spikey hair. I mean, if there is something in the actual lore that says that the Warrior Priest must be bald, that is one thing (I have been told there is, but I havent actually seen anyone say where its stated - its no where to be found in any of the lore I am familiar with, and some have told me that it was actually made up, so I really dont know what is the truth). We are pretty much going to have much the same armor end-game anyways, and if every Warrior Priest is bald, no amount of facial options will really make a difference unless you are within feet of them - they will all look like clones, and no one likes having a few hundred dopplegangers of their main running around, especially not roleplayers such as myself. Of course, based on the vast opinion of this board - even IF hair was available, most people would probably opt to be bald anyways, because they basically fell in love with the concept of a big bald guy with a hammer that can smash things and heal his companions. You will see a few people like me with a different idea, but it isnt going to ruin the gameworld for anyone.

But yeah, that is just my 2 cents. *Scratches head* I think I rambled a little bit more than I intended. :rolleyes:

[RockpapperWaagh]

i was under the very firm impression ALL WP were bald so that sigmar could talk directly to their brain. Ie no dome covering helms (we get tiaras >_> but WAR tiaras!) no hair above the ear line. Now i havent seen anything saying no facial hair, however many loreists tend to view a well trimmed and groomed amount of facial hair as vanity.


Oh another thing.

Female W-P weapons, any SS on them being at least almost the same size as the males. I know what has kept me from teh female toons in some games being the weapons scaling to looking like i was fighting with a toothpick.

[WarderDragon]

i was under the very firm impression ALL WP were bald so that sigmar could talk directly to their brain. Ie no dome covering helms (we get tiaras >_> but WAR tiaras!) no hair above the ear line. Now i havent seen anything saying no facial hair, however many loreists tend to view a well trimmed and groomed amount of facial hair as vanity.

I have heard the same thing as well, but I do not know if it is actually true or not. Some people claim that it is in the lore, whereas a few others I have talked to have suggested that it was actually made up and is not part of the official canon. Being a Warhammer lore newbie myself, I cannot say one way or another, but I havent found anything in the lore (yet) saying that there has been a requirement (in the physical descriptions, you hear about their robes with the twin-tailed comets, their hammer and skull adornment, armor being worn over their robes, their holy books, and their hammers - but nothing about shaven heads). I could be totally wrong, but I havent seen anything saying that there is a requirement in the official lore yet.

As far as the female avatars in game, I havent seen any screenshots next to a male, but they seem to be full-figured. I assume they wont be as bulky, and somewhat shorter than their male counterparts, but I dont think the difference will be as great as in some other MMOs.

[RockpapperWaagh]

Oh a question for those on the RP servers.

How will you treat WP who decide on a hair option if they are allowed.


Personally my WP will most likely shun them as not true believers and turn them over to the witch hunters as heritics and imposters.

[WarderDragon]

It really depends upon what the official canon lore says, I suppose. If it is something that, according to the lore, is not a requirement and is not enforced in any way by the Church of Sigmar, then I doubt for the most part they would be looked upon as heretics - they would be no different than any other Warrior Priest. It would be illogical if its not actually part of the canon. Of course, based on the fact that it is iconic, and many roleplaying Warrior Priests will choose to be bald anyways, I can imagine that some Warrior Priests will roleplay their characters as feeling that hair is disrespectful to the order or perhaps rebellious, and would attempt to make life hell for those who do not shave their heads. It would kind of be odd, though, for a Witch Hunter to be arresting and torturing a Warrior Priest for heresy, when the Warrior Priest wasnt doing anything considered heretical, unless they were some ultra-extremist sect acting outside the will of the Church of Sigmar. Such a group or guild is possible, but they would have no official authority for their actions, and they would also logically then be against other groups (Knights of the Burning Sun for not devoting themselves completely to Sigmar, the Bright Wizards for practicing magic, etc).

If, on the other hand, the actual canon lore says that Warrior Priests should shave their heads, but the game allows us to have hairstyles anyways, then there would be a reason for convicting such choices as heretical and going after them for it. Of course, I may very well be playing one of those heretics then (when hair options are available, I personally always opt for hair), so it could definately be an interesting twist.

So it all really depends on what Games Workshop says. Its their universe.

[Zirconium]

I think being bald is carping. And I will explain why I say this.

The only real-world reference we really have to losing hair is in the Catholic faith for monks and nuns. Nuns actually have a totally shaved head, whereas monks can choose to have shaved or a specific design which makes a semi-sperical shaped bald patch on the top of the head.

I dont know why we have to assume the 'faith' with regard to Sigmar requires exactly the same constraights on Empire 'faith citizens'. For example, I don't know of any lore which specifies how female 'priestesses' should have their hair to show their faith to Sigmar.

In other words, why try to create a rule for Empire 'faith-citizens' that actually only exists for real-world catholic nuns and monks.

[RockpapperWaagh]

we arnt trying to create a rule, we are tryign to find out the cannon. In every picture ever of a male warrior priest he is bald. It is somethign about Sigmar being able to beam his wonderful smite chaos powers directly into the WP head. This is also why they do not wear helms.


this talk has nothing to do with real life.

[Zirconium]

Thats cool.

So to sum up then, we have evidence for male Warrior Priests with bald heads and nothing else. No facial hair, etc.

Then on the other hand, we have a distinct lack of any evidence on hair for female Warrior Priests. So, this leads to either a). they follow the same law as males, or b). they have a seperate law for females, or c). there is no cannon law on hair for either males or females.

Maybe it would just be concidered utilitarian to have no hair as a male? Maybe there is no cannon law on the subject. Does anyone have any lore that suggests anything about this subject?

[Hatemonger]

Uh...there are WP with mustaches. Some guy posted one in one of the other multiple threads about this exact same thing.

[boiled_owl]

About female WPs: In the Mordheim game there were WPs of a sort called Sisters of Sigmar. They all had hair. Not that I'd take that to be decisive, but it's at least a leg to stand on.

[Amar]

Yeah we need some way to differentiate ourselves from other Warrior Priests, I can imagine like someone said before at end-game when everyone ends up with more or less the same armor, if every WP is bald, we will all look exactly the same, no matter how many face options we have.

I would like to see a plethora of beards and mustaches at least to separate ourselves from other WP's if we do not have the option of different short hairstyles ( I will probably be bald anyway though with a goatee)

[RockpapperWaagh]

This isnt wow (thank god) they have stated that you can line up 20 players of the same class in the same Tier and they will look different.

Alot of this has to do with the trophie options and that gear isnt as big a deal as ability to play your class.

[Hatemonger]

This isnt wow (thank god) they have stated that you can line up 20 players of the same class in the same Tier and they will look different.

That's nice.

I still don't want to see a legion of bald clones walking around, no matter how different their trophies are.

Unless we have extensive facial hair options. I actually don't mind the bald heads myself. :p

[RockpapperWaagh]

thats like saying "i dont want to see a big group of chaos chosen all in big bulky armor walking around"

everyone wants to see that. Its the same with the Sons of Sigmar, the shorn head to reflect the light into the eyes of the chosen while they bring their righteous fury down apon the enemy.

[Skalding]

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12074&page=4

I've posted on the topic before. I've got no bones about seeing hair as Lore-wise it's somewhat supported. I suppose Valten and the Storm of Chaos not occurring in this incarnation of Warhammer might damage part of my point, but despite that I still stand resolute.

Dealing on the RP front, I have no objections to being treated like a Heretic. Might make it more exciting anyway.

[Azyrn]

I will probably go bald personally even if hair styles are allowed. My reasoning for this is i am sure the hair styles that i would favor would not be used on them. However, i don't think WP particular go bald for any other reason then maybe cleanliness or age. But i do imagine if hair is allowed it would be more military style crops and cuts to keep it short.

[Hatemonger]

thats like saying "i dont want to see a big group of chaos chosen all in big bulky armor walking around"

everyone wants to see that. Its the same with the Sons of Sigmar, the shorn head to reflect the light into the eyes of the chosen while they bring their righteous fury down apon the enemy.

No, Chaos minions will have options for helmets to distinguish their faces. We won't.

[Vikingkingq]

No, Chaos minions will have options for helmets to distinguish their faces. We won't.

Empire WP most likely will have different faces and facial hair combos. Heck, we've already seen different faces from the WP screenshots. Plus, WP can have circlets on their brows.

[Hatemonger]

If they had facial hair options then the point would be moot. We just don't know if they do.

I'm sorry, but if the only differentiation between two members of the same class is going to be a "circlet" then this game is going to have the same "clone" problems as WoW did. They've already said that facial styles are going to be slim, because they don't personally find it important.

I'm all for looking iconic, but if there's no differentiation between anyone besides a couple of trophies, then I will be severely disappointed.

[SeveredFate]

TBH, even if you wouldn't like to be 'OMG HE LOOKS JUST LIKE ME' the bald head etc. might be a haven for others to look for, iconic again. Plus, you'll know hes a WP yourself, and a brother in arms and faith is never bad to have standing by your side, even if youre both bald. Two bald guys woopin next to eachother would look totally bada$$ too imo. Im all for baldness, most of my WoW warriors were bald, too much hair just gets in the way.

[Hatemonger]

Well, yeah...I can imagine that there are some people who wouldn't mind looking like clones of everyone else for iconic purposes. I'm just saying that I'm not one of them.

[Okri]

Well, yeah...I can imagine that there are some people who wouldn't mind looking like clones of everyone else for iconic purposes. I'm just saying that I'm not one of them.

Clone is such a negative word, especially when it isn't true. On the contrary, one could say it would be a wonderful thing, giving that sense of unity which would be needed to combat a foe as intimidating as the legions of Chaos. Or something like that.

And a Warrior Priest being bald is about the same thing as a Witch Hunter having a hat. It's iconic, but because of that, there will be quite a bit of similarity between the individual characters. Even the character customization that Mythic seems to be so proud of won't be able to prevent characters from being similar.

Some hair would be fine by me, like a little patch of hair on the back of the head, or as mentioned, the 'Friar Tuck'-look. I'm against facial hair though.