Will WAR have a Z-board?

[Skaarj]

Will it? :E

[Deathron]

Owned by EA, most likely, and hopefully because i don't want to use my WoW Zboard forever

[Ouchy Dathurts]

Maybe i'm just an idiot, maybe its that i'm groggy, but what the hell is a Z board?=P

[Battlekruse]

www.zboard.com/ (http://www.zboard.com/)

They make Zboard for all sort of games. Like for eks. Battlefield 2

Here is the standard model

http://www.ideazon.com/global_images/products/zboard/zboard_gamingkeyset_inbase.jpg

[Ouchy Dathurts]

Oh, one of those deals.

I don't know how anyone could use one of those =P they look like they'd break if you looked at it wrong. I'm too used to a standard keyboard. When I got a G15 last christmas even this took a little while to get used to with the macro keys on the side making it bigger. I'm used to putting my left palm on the corner of the keyboard, when that corner is like 3 inches further away it throws the whole thing off.

I've yet to use the macros for anything worth a crap. But when I was playing EQ2 the macros I made didn't play well with the game. That coupled with laziness =P

[Joeydevil]

Probably. We will see.

[markusmad]

It's all about the logitech g15 ;)

[sideshow]

Nostromo n52 (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=157024) is the way to go. Along with KeyTronic Lifetime Designer keyboard.

Zboard, what a silly thing that is. Gaming board bwahahahaha why would you ever
need to read your keyboard for what ability you are using or whatever.

"Zboard, for gamers who don't know how and never will."
"Buy a Zboard today, why wait to gimp yourself any longer?"

[Obby]

Whatever happened to just a basic keyboard? G15? ZBoard? OLED keys? Come on. Not only is it overpriced, it's useless.

[Earthpunsher]

Whatever happened to just a basic keyboard? G15? ZBoard? OLED keys? Come on. Not only is it overpriced, it's useless.

Quoted for truth.

[Maddogg218]

Useless? Please, dont justify your greediness. Backlit keyboard keys is the greatest thing to ever grace keyboards. Can play in the dark easily, the macro keys can be useful if you want them to be, the LCD Screen is pretty awesome, good for music playing, DVD controls, and the volume control is good when you use headphones that dont have their own volume control.

Talking about the G15 of course.

[Bhazrak]

I wouldn't be surprised seeing one in time, but no way in hell would I ever use it. Regular keyboards are more than enough for myself.

[Gamut]

Z board is like the lame kids version of a G15 right?

Teamspeak and ventrilo on keyboard screen is win of fairly sizable proportions.

[Ouchy Dathurts]

G15 is as far from useless as you get =P

Yeah, i don't know what i'm doing 99% of the time with macros. But its never been a big enough of an issue to fix. The windows key switch (disables the windows key) is sweet. The backlight makes nightime gaming easier, and the auxiliary screen can be used in vent/ts to see whos talking, also in EQ2 you could set it up to show DPS parses instead of pasting spam after every fight.

Also, the ability to control Itunes without ever needing to alt tab is quite nice =P

[miber]

That G15 actually looks pretty nice. As in, it has useful stuff, but still keeps the keys 'where they belong' (can't stand when they try to reorganize things).

Definitely going to have to consider getting one, especially since I'm currently using this bad boy (http://i8.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/47/e4/91_1.JPG). But $100 for a keyboard..

[darkblade_the_Great]

That G15 actually looks pretty nice. As in, it has useful stuff, but still keeps the keys 'where they belong' (can't stand when they try to reorganize things).

Definitely going to have to consider getting one, especially since I'm currently using this bad boy (http://i8.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/47/e4/91_1.JPG). But $100 for a keyboard..



I had a hard time dropping the $100 on a keyboard too, but it's worth it. A very nice keyboard with a ton of options. Between that and my G5 I am in gaming heaven :)

[Festo]

It's all about the logitech g15 ;)

QFT :D

i have a spare as well keep spares of all my gamin gear

use logitech g5 mouse as well as logitech headphones


im to used to my logitech stuff to care for a zboard

[urghka]

Hehehe... nothing wrong with a Z-board!

I use one but, got it second hand at dirt cheap price. I dont use any of the "game" layouts.. just stick with normal keyboard.

But, it has great feel in the keys and, is the absolute easiest keyboard i've ever had to keep clean. Spilt half a beer on mine and had it cleaned up and run'n great in a couple minutes.

Lost my last keyboard to the same reason.... hehehe

(now.. where's my drink coaster?!?!... doh!)

[Ouchy Dathurts]

That G15 actually looks pretty nice. As in, it has useful stuff, but still keeps the keys 'where they belong' (can't stand when they try to reorganize things).

Definitely going to have to consider getting one, especially since I'm currently using this bad boy (http://i8.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/47/e4/91_1.JPG). But $100 for a keyboard..

Yeah, I happened to be in the market for a keyboard and mouse around Christmas. My old ones had been used to death (logitech MX duo probly 4ish years old). Parents hounded me for what I wanted, after they wouldn't take "nothing" for an answer I told them to get me a new keyboard and mouse. They got one of the newer logitech duos but the keyboard was retarded. I'd hit the W key and it'd spam W's. Which was annoying as all hell. Apparently there were a ton of people on the logitech forums with the same issue.

So, i brought it to best buy to exchange it, and the lady was giving me crap. She said the geek squad tested it and it was fine. I told her I didn't give a crap what some guy getting paid 7 bucks an hour found. I'm having an issue so are a ton of people if you check the logitech forum, fix it. She kept going at it since I didn't have a receipt. I told her 100x "it was a gift! Who the hell gives a receipt with a gift?!" (this is like literally the day after Christmas).

Her manager comes up and told her to stop hassling me and just exchange it, and she STILL gives me crap. Finally she does, I get the the new duo home, same damn problem. I go back and eyeball the g15. Figured I'd just use money/giftcards and buy it along with a separate Microsoft mouse (only cordless mouse with the side buttons they had).

After that whole nightmare I've never looked back. This keyboard is nice as hell. Friend picked up one after using mine, and another buddy is thinking about it.

The moral of the story is, the G15 is worth the 100 bucks, especially if you're in the market for a new keyboard. Also, you should be allowed to rip customer service peoples heads off.

[Ouchy Dathurts]

Also, the only drawback IMO is it isn't cordless and the cord could stand to be about a foot or two longer. I've got a weird desk and it doesn't quite reach where I want it to.

[Zappy]

I would never recommend the zboard to anyone. Its overall a fairly bad product, unless they changed it alot the last two years, witch I doubt.

Noone has a problem using a wasd keyboard, so dont waste your money.

[Eisenwolff]

Nostromo n52 (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=157024) is the way to go. Along with KeyTronic Lifetime Designer keyboard.

Still waiting for a left handed version of this :(

[Arioch]

Also, the only drawback IMO is it isn't cordless and the cord could stand to be about a foot or two longer. I've got a weird desk and it doesn't quite reach where I want it to.

That's what USB extension cables are for.;)

[sideshow]

Still waiting for a left handed version of this :(

You can try something like this (http://www.maxdy.com/fggamepad.html) maybe. Won't be as good as the Nostromo, but should
be better than a keyboard in any case.
Or *sigh* Zboard product, FANG (http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/PCc5fe5cfhe4x/Zboard-FANG-Gamepad). There is also Wolf Claw Devour (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4733.html).

[Remnant]

Bah, back in the day, we used our keyboards for a series of commands including "pick up" "open" "close"!

We microwaved our hampsters and radioactive pool water and we liked it! We didn't need these wussy fancy-pants keyboards! Ours were thick enough to stop a bullet!

[Weigraf]

I'm sure some people really like and get a lot of use out of these special "gaming" keyboards and mice, but I'll never spend $100 on a keyboard or $80 on a mouse. I'll splurge on a powerful processor, extra RAM, or a great video card, but expensive peripherals just don't seem worth it to me. I've only ever bought cheap basic keyboards and $20 Microsoft optical mice and I've done just fine.

I suppose it really depends on how you like to play games. I barely use macros or hotkeys, so I don't need any extra buttons that aren't on a standard keyboard or two button scroll mouse.

[sideshow]

I suppose it really depends on how you like to play games. I barely use macros or hotkeys, so I don't need any extra buttons that aren't on a standard keyboard or two button scroll mouse.

Ah, a clicker, run awayyyyyyy!

On a more serious note, I agree on the expensive keyboard part. But if you have a
crappy mouse you will notice it, I didn't think I would either, but once I went to a
good Logitech mouse my gaming, mostly movement, has improved quite a bit.
Currently I have MX518 which is most excellent and the accuracy is beyond belief.

As for a keyboard, I use the most basic (and heavy) keyboard around, KeyTronic
Lifetime Designer, when it comes to keyboards I believe in simplicity and no
pointless media buttons, if you have time to fiddle with them while playing, you
have time to tab out and use the program controls.

And btw, if you put that $180 (for a good keyboard and mouse) towards any other
parts and think it will make more of a difference, I think a lot of people will agree
that you are wrong.

[Karri]

I doubt there will be a WAR keyset initially at the release. Anyway, if WAR turns out to sell millions of copies, there's bound to be a WAR keyset.

Ideazon keyboards and such special products do have some advantages compared to the regular keyboards. Most importantly the butterfly WSAD layout is God send. Especially if you have larger hands. I do agree though that the most often seen Zboard with switchable keysets isn't really practical. MERC keyboard on the other hand is much more sensible.

[Shadowsfury]

An optical mouse is a must-have these days, Ive got a Logitech MX518 as well and its superb and half the price of the G5. I can adjust the sensitivity with two buttons as can the G5 and it just does the job great for the small room I got to maneuver my mouse! (Its so much fun to see anyone else hassle with my mouse, especially my parents. They are used to dragging three feet to get to one side of the screen to the other. Death to the mouseballs!)

In terms of keyboard, it doesnt matter how fancy it looks or how many extra buttons its got. Its all about how easy you can type on it and it "fits" your style. Wether that is a Logitech G15 or the old but trusty bad boy of Miber, doesnt matter me. ;)
And how often do you use the special buttons, I rarely do...

[markusmad]

You can find the g15 keyboard for about 60 dollars, and in some computer trading shows they'll go for 40 bucks.

As for uselessness, it's damn nice. How can extra buttons used for programming actions be a bad thing? And what kind of keyboard did you purchase? Most wireless and decent keyboards cost around 40 dollars don't they? You can't spurge for one that lights it's keys for use in the dark, have extra buttons that are programmable for hot keys / macros?

Point in case - it's really not that expensive. It's a really nice keyboard - and I recommend you give it a try ;).

[Battlekruse]

You can try something like this (http://www.maxdy.com/fggamepad.html) maybe. Won't be as good as the Nostromo, but should
be better than a keyboard in any case.
Or *sigh* Zboard product, FANG (http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/PCc5fe5cfhe4x/Zboard-FANG-Gamepad). There is also Wolf Claw Devour (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4733.html).

That was pretty neat item you found there. I found a lot interest in the Flexiglow Cyber Snipa PC Game Pad. I never like the zboard products and beside I still need the orignal keyboard for work. But this is a neat Add-on for fps games like Battlefield 2. So Im gonna read a lot of review about it now. Just wanna say thumps for you post, Sideshow :)

[Eisenwolff]

You can try something like this (http://www.maxdy.com/fggamepad.html) maybe. Won't be as good as the Nostromo, but should
be better than a keyboard in any case.
Or *sigh* Zboard product, FANG (http://www.gameseek.co.uk/pd/PCc5fe5cfhe4x/Zboard-FANG-Gamepad). There is also Wolf Claw Devour (http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_4733.html).
Thx for this i will give it a look.

[Runiat]

Useless? Please, dont justify your greediness. Backlit keyboard keys is the greatest thing to ever grace keyboards. Can play in the dark easily, the macro keys can be useful if you want them to be, the LCD Screen is pretty awesome, good for music playing, DVD controls, and the volume control is good when you use headphones that dont have their own volume control.

Talking about the G15 of course.
Actually the light is the only part of the G15 I haven't had any use for yet. The macro-keys are great (bound them to ctrl+shift+alt+various keys and then bound those combinations to various spells), the windows-key-toggle is simply brilliant, the LCD screen even tells me when I recieve whispers from ppl I've /ignored, not to mention who's speaking on TS2, but I never look at my keyboard and thus wether there's light (or even letters) on them is of no importance to me.

Oh and I use a Zboard FANG for controlling my laptop when dualboxing. Got all the important keys on it and my mousepad is large enough to place my Fang on while still having enough room to move my mouse (quite high sensitivity on that, I rarely move it an inch in any direction).

[sully9er]

If you want a real keyboard get one of these

http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

[checkthis5000]

My girlfriend bought one of those back when she played WoW. I think once she had a successful hardcore guild and started organizing raids and such she decided that she needed one. haha.

Otherwise I wouldn't know what the hell a Z-board was. Heck I just got my first laser mouse 6 months ago. I guess I'm a bit oldschool. :)

Maybe when WAR is out, as well as Fallout 3 and Starcraft 2 I'll upgrade and get some gaming equipment, but until then I'm happy with my good ole basics. :)

[DGreV]

i hope thier is a zboard for WAR since i just bout one today. AoC is gettin one so i think WAR well.

[Manakar]

I rather just use this http://www.ideazon.com/us/products/mercstealth.asp it looks like its good for all games..

[Skitture]

I still use my Zboard, alot of extra stuff that is rather pointless. but I like the one but chat macros, and the /roll macro. also useful ,for me anyway since i don't usually remember the hotkeys to everything. not to mention i find it comfortable which is all that matters.I don't like the FPS keyset though, it feels so alien compared to regular old wsad

[Dashel]

Add me to the list of people that would love G15 support.

[Entity]

I'd love to be using something actually innovative, rather than just an attempt to 'modernize' the keyboard we've been using since the 1980s.

[CaptainAwesome]

A WAR themed Z board for WAR would be awesome, maybe you can win a bunch of them through special competitions

[Bashur]

Yup, currently using this mouse (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/productdetails.aspx?pid=100), and this keyboard (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=us,en). I... can't think of anything else I would ever want. Both are macro heavy, freakishly awesome, heavy duty and are top quality.

It's going to be hard finding a replacement for these for years to come, I can tell ya' that. Sure, they were expensive, but they are the ONLY way you can communicate with your computer! Why would you go cheap on that?! That's like buying a 4ghz quadcore processor, and getting an old Voodoo Graphics card. You're just gimping yourself.

Zboards, to me, look very very cheap. Somewhat gimmicky. I don't think I'll ever purchase one.

[Chasington]

Whatever happened to just a basic keyboard? G15? ZBoard? OLED keys? Come on. Not only is it overpriced, it's useless.

I'm going to have to go with this, regular keyboards are fine, and I don't need lights lighting up my keyboard to play in the dark, as I don't look at the keys when I type.

[Bashur]

I'm going to have to go with this, regular keyboards are fine, and I don't need lights lighting up my keyboard to play in the dark, as I don't look at the keys when I type.

Neither do I, but they light up the F1-F12 keys as well as the newly created programmable Macro keys that you don't learn the positions of in school. Honestly, did they teach you the proper way to hit F12 from the home row?

[Chasington]

The f keys are for stuff like removing the UI and changing your camera angle. I don't really need that to be lit up because I never use them, and nor do I need remap skills onto anything. If I need to look at something to use it it's not going to be very efficient, I just find I play best on a regular keyboard because I'm quickest that way.

To me, it's not worth the money that's all.

[thevoiceofzeke]

Nothing but an unnecessary luxury. It's not going to make you any better at gaming, and it won't sub in for skill. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

[Bashur]

The f keys are for stuff like removing the UI and changing your camera angle. I don't really need that to be lit up because I never use them, and nor do I need remap skills onto anything. If I need to look at something to use it it's not going to be very efficient, I just find I play best on a regular keyboard because I'm quickest that way.

To me, it's not worth the money that's all.

Well, for a healer this is a very very useful row of keys. Normally the F keys represent each person in their group/raid. To be able to select the healing spell you want and press the corresponding F key without even being able to see the person your healing, or target them is a huge thing. Usually this won't require you to de-target the enemy you're fighting as well, thus enabling you to be able to heal someone while still fighting.

It's extremely efficient, considering if you do not use the F keys to your advantage, you will need to de-target the enemy, stop fighting with him letting him beat on you, target the player you want to heal, select the spell, heal him, then RE-target the enemy, and then continue attacking.

If you use the F keys, the fight goes like this: You notice someone is low on health, select heal while still fighting, and hit F2. Done.

It works with many things other than healing as well. The UI buttons are usually near the end of the FKeys, around F10-F12. The others are highly efficient tools, usualy, for effective, and quick gameplay.

[Oddwin]

Useless? Please, dont justify your greediness. Backlit keyboard keys is the greatest thing to ever grace keyboards. Can play in the dark easily, the macro keys can be useful if you want them to be, the LCD Screen is pretty awesome, good for music playing, DVD controls, and the volume control is good when you use headphones that dont have their own volume control.

Talking about the G15 of course.

noob, you shouldnt need to look at your keyboard at all to use it in a game, you should have the positions of every key memorized so you dont have to glance away from your monitor. didnt you ever take typing classes in elementary school?

i use the Logitech Wave Keyboard, its full of win; i can type for hours and my wrists dont bother me.

[Metsudragon]

Nothing but an unnecessary luxury. It's not going to make you any better at gaming, and it won't sub in for skill. Sorry to burst your bubbles.

Unless you're the one buying stuff for everyone's rigs, you have no right to tell anyone what they can and can't buy. It may be an unnecessary luxury to YOU, but who are YOU to telll someone what they should/shouldn't buy?

[mongoose]

An optical mouse is a must-have these days, Ive got a Logitech MX518 as well and its superb and half the price of the G5. I can adjust the sensitivity with two buttons as can the G5 and it just does the job great for the small room I got to maneuver my mouse! (Its so much fun to see anyone else hassle with my mouse, especially my parents. They are used to dragging three feet to get to one side of the screen to the other. Death to the mouseballs!)

Must have? hardly. Maybe its a "must have" if you are an FPSer but for most other games, including MMORPGs, my ball mouse has served me quite well. (and I only have to move my mouse a whole 1.5" to get from one side of the screen.......3' :rolleyes: could you exaggerate more please?)

Honestly, for most people the ball mouse is just as good as it ever was and the whole "percieved" extra maintenance required because of cleaning is a load of crap. 5 mins every 6 months to 409 the ball and remove any gunk build up on the wheels. Big deal. The mouse manufactures just needed a way to 'improve' their industry with a new FTOM toy like optical/laser to make it look more high tech and make techies go "oooooh".


Im also in the normal keyboard camp. I wouldnt mind getting something like a G15 but Im not willing to pay 70 bucks for something I can get for 1/5th the cost and will only increase my gaming ability by 10%. Again they are much more for FPSers than MMORPG people.

(plus the G15 is absolutely HUGE and wont fit on my specially designed keyboard shelf :p)

[everar]

my friend won two of these in an EverQuest 2 sweepstakes, and i got various "gaming" and "standard keyboard" keysets. neither of which were very comfortable to use, and the keyboard just plain doesn't react well to my typing. it's a stubborn thing.

unless you want to show off the WAR design (vain....heretic!!) it's a waste of money.

[everar]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126034
http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/eclipseii.htm

much better.

[impulsebooks]

Nostromo n52 (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=157024) is the way to go.


I've got one of those, but I could not break my old habit of gaming with standard keyboard and rollerball. Maybe if I use it from the beginning with WAR it will feel more natural.

[Dashel]

The G15 made playing a healer infinitely easier for me personally. Having hotbanks of keys for buffing and heal/quick heal each party member? Awesome.

I love it. You folks poo pooing it should stop yelling at kids to get off your lawn and try it! :rolleyes:

[Prodigy]

QFT :D
i have a spare as well keep spares of all my gamin gear


Hardcore.

No this reply in not too short :D

[Chasington]

The G15 made playing a healer infinitely easier for me personally. Having hotbanks of keys for buffing and heal/quick heal each party member? Awesome.

I love it. You folks poo pooing it should stop yelling at kids to get off your lawn and try it! :rolleyes:

Lol, maybe I am being a grumpy old man but I had no problem healing the standard way. It just involved an extra click, then hotkey of spell.

[Dashel]

Lol, maybe I am being a grumpy old man but I had no problem healing the standard way. It just involved an extra click, then hotkey of spell.

It should be noted I'm a bad healer in any case so I need every advantage I can get...

:mrgreen:

[zer]

Mongoose, try playing on a 22" screen plus with a ball mouse with the least amout of mouvement possible whiel retaining accuracy and smootheness, it just doesnt happen. I too used to think that way till I tried a decent opitcal mouse and now I have a G5 which has even improved vastly on that!

[Chasington]

Mongoose, try playing on a 22" screen plus with a ball mouse with the least amout of mouvement possible whiel retaining accuracy and smootheness, it just doesnt happen. I too used to think that way till I tried a decent opitcal mouse and now I have a G5 which has even improved vastly on that!

I AM going to agree here however, optical mice are just better in general, even if you cleaned your ball mouse regularly eventually the wheels wouldn't work right and they'll not turn as much and whatnot, and it became kind of annoying.

[MadeInRomania]

something that was left out in this argument. the g15 (i have the new model myself) has an LCD that supports small apps. for example, WoW has an in house developed one that shows a variety of stats and other related things, and u can change the display to different pages with the lcd buttons... im not paying for extra ''skill''. im paying for convenience.

EDIT: also abt the nostromo. i find it doesnt have enough keys. 15 keys and 3 pages is not enough compared to the 20 keys and 3 modifiers (80 total keys) u can reach easily on a regular keyboard. - 16 as the WASD arent changed with the modifiers, so 64 total keys. still better than 45-12 = 32 keys.

[zer]

When you are playing, are you watching your keyboard or your screen, if your looking at your keyboard you arent playing nor paygin ttention to whats goin on!

Besides all thoses fancy readings can be had with simple clutter free UI mods...

The G15 is only really good for classes that need to stop moving in order to cast something, why... Because in order to reach the macro keys you need to move your hand away form the typicall movement keys. For classes that are faster paced and require to be constaly mobile, the g15 is a big wate of funds... Get a gaming pad/command center instead.

[MadeInRomania]

u are assuming im pvping 100% of the time. im not. also why woudl i have something on my screen take up even minimal space when i can have it on my keyboard

EDIT: also i have the new g15. check it out. i dont need to move my hand. its called a pinky

[zer]

Because you dont need to look away from what your doing, which is my whole point. WAR is goin to be RVR for the most part soo:P

[MadeInRomania]

the items on my keyboard display are not things that will be necessary in pvp.
Wow had damage calculations and armor stats and clocks and other stuff that take place on ur screen but u dotn need them in combat...

the whole point is -> it take space on the screen. i want more viewing space. better on my keyboard, as long as i dun need it in combat. G15 is win in those cases. for that alone its a better option than a standard keyboard that many advocate.
add the macros (which u dont need to move ur hand for) and u have an awesome keyboard for those who can afford it.
if u cant u dont need to look for faults and explanations as to why u wouldn't need it anyway.

[zer]

No I was just pointing out were it fails, like most keyboards. None of the keys are actaully well laid out nor are they usefull. Tell me how can you not move your hand with hte macros, try this to move while using them and jump... Just ot prove my point that your mobility is hampered.

Then again, that your call...

[MadeInRomania]

lol i can use them fine while jumping. also the layout is exactly the same as ALL keyboards except for the macros. which like i said i can use fine while jumping... (jumping is teh pro skill players use in MMOs ) <--sarcasm.

i dun think ur looking at the right model man. if it has 3 columns of buttons its the old one, although i cold jumo and reach the 2nd column without a problem.. not the 3rd thou... i dno i just have good pinky mobility. comes from being a gamer... and since i have it why noy take advantage of it.

I see u moved ur arguments from the LCD to they macros. Ill take the LCD case as closed then. what else do u have to say abt the macros now ?

EDIT: if u cant use ur pinky for shift and control then u cant use it for the macros (ur prolly one Of those ppl that uses 'c' for crouch in FPSes... ew..). U just lift the palm of ur hand a bit and u reach the macros easily. and dont try saying ur not supposed to lift the palm because u need to do it nway to reach the buttons past 6 on quikbars (which i never use thou. i remap them differently to minimize movement. this is what the g15 is all abt quick acces and convenience.

and again. make sure ur looking at the right model. (black orange not white blue)

EDIT 2: Reread my post and realized i come off as slightly y. going to bottom lien it now and hopefully just end the argument.

All these ''luxury'' peripherals bring new functionality to the way we interact with games. It is up to individuals (on a case by case basis) if they are willing to trade off the added functionality to the money, adjustment time required and whatever drawbacks it might provide.

For my case, i got used to it in about a week and now i can touch type properly and can manage my macros with minimal effort. The LCD is a godsend when it comes to storing certain data and for example manipulating a music player without alt tabbing (shows artist songs, lists etc. When i play WoW it shows me useful stats and i consider it an advantage over having those stats on my screen taking up my view. its all abt what ppl prefer and how they like doing things. this is my way.

[zer]

Dude, man this isnt a pissing contest... And trust me, I know exactly which is the new model, and no... The macros arent close enought to touch while strafing or moving around... It just aint feasible without large movements which take away the whole point of having them in the first place. You need them easely accessible. Unless your a mutant, even with your pinky. This esp. true with peeps that have smaller hands (me).

About the LCD, well I dont really care for it. If the info isnt imporant in RvR why even bother with it in the fist place. The other insignificant dps info can be had on the screen in minimized mode, take a quick click of the mouse to pop it back up to see whats goin on. I take your looking for xp bars and dps meters which are pretty much not needed. Agrro meters should be on screen though, bu then again Im not a PvE guy.

Also, your conclusion is the reason why Im saying its not a good buy for alot of users, it doesnt give much "extra" functionnality, sure it has neet gizmos but I seriously doubt it even comes close to a gaming command pad. Now if you think thoses extra luxury option are right for you then sure get it, just dont expect it to be the better gaming input device, which is what your trying to say:/

This is the better input device for mmos (http://www.saitek.com/images/300dpi/Cyborg_PZ31A_Cyborg_Command_unit_red.jpg).

[medevac]

Dude, man this isnt a pissing contest... And trust me, I know exactly which is the new model, and no... The macros arent close enought to touch while strafing or moving around... It just aint feasible without large movements which take away the whole point of having them in the first place. You need them easely accessible. Unless your a mutant, even with your pinky. This esp. true with peeps that have smaller hands (me).

About the LCD, well I dont really care for it. If the info isnt imporant in RvR why even bother with it in the fist place. The other insignificant dps info can be had on the screen in minimized mode, take a quick click of the mouse to pop it back up to see whats goin on. I take your looking for xp bars and dps meters which are pretty much not needed. Agrro meters should be on screen though, bu then again Im not a PvE guy.

Also, your conclusion is the reason why Im saying its not a good buy for alot of users, it doesnt give much "extra" functionnality, sure it has neet gizmos but I seriously doubt it even comes close to a gaming command pad. Now if you think thoses extra luxury option are right for you then sure get it, just dont expect it to be the better gaming input device, which is what your trying to say:/

This is the better input device for mmos (http://www.saitek.com/images/300dpi/Cyborg_PZ31A_Cyborg_Command_unit_red.jpg).
I've been looking around for a gaming pad, and was wondering does anyone own the Saitek pad or the n52 or n52te, and want to give a recommendation for them? I want to order one, but have been going back and forth on which one to get, kinda leaning towards the n52te. Any pros/cons on them? thx

[Oddwin]

does anyone have a G9 or lachesis mouse? i was thinking about upgrading.

[MadeInRomania]

Dude, man this isnt a pissing contest... And trust me, I know exactly which is the new model, and no... The macros arent close enought to touch while strafing or moving around... It just aint feasible without large movements which take away the whole point of having them in the first place. You need them easely accessible. Unless your a mutant, even with your pinky. This esp. true with peeps that have smaller hands (me).


didn i just say i can make the movements easily ? I can without any problem whatsoever or any detraction from my ability to move around or press any other related buttons.. If thats just me. then like i said its a case by case basis and u need to weigh the pros and cons.... read and understand, dont just go headfirst with ur argument.




About the LCD, well I dont really care for it. If the info isnt imporant in RvR why even bother with it in the fist place. The other insignificant dps info can be had on the screen in minimized mode, take a quick click of the mouse to pop it back up to see whats goin on. I take your looking for xp bars and dps meters which are pretty much not needed. Agrro meters should be on screen though, bu then again Im not a PvE guy.


1. WAR is not the only game in the world. RvR is not the end all reason for all ur periferals.
2. i said I PREFER nto having to do those extra cliks and instead of movign my mouse around and readign info, much faster for me to just look at the LCD for a quik sec.
3. AGAIN. i said in my case.....


Also, your conclusion is the reason why Im saying its not a good buy for alot of users, it doesnt give much "extra" functionnality, sure it has neet gizmos but I seriously doubt it even comes close to a gaming command pad. Now if you think thoses extra luxury option are right for you then sure get it, just dont expect it to be the better gaming input device, which is what your trying to say:/

This is the better input device for mmos (http://www.saitek.com/images/300dpi/Cyborg_PZ31A_Cyborg_Command_unit_red.jpg).



1. ure still going to need a keyboard even when u buy gaming command pads.
2. the pad u just showed me does not come close to the nr of assignable buttons a regular keyboard has, not to mention a g15.
3. the pads r cool and have good ergonomics and functionality. i prefer quik acces to my skills, which means all of them binded at just a press away. --> keyboard
4. pads IN MY OPPINION. are betteer for FPSes not MMOs. MMOS need most of all more buttons over better placed ones.

[MadeInRomania]

does anyone have a G9 or lachesis mouse? i was thinking about upgrading.

If you dont mind the ergonomics of a mouse thats made to fit both left handed and right handed ppl. go for the Lacesis. although its an overkill, its amazing. i suggest trying it on ur hand first if u can. if u cant then consider this. Lacesis is made for high sensitivity players, where the hand rests slightly raised. if u usually play with high sensitivities and dotn have a ''large'' hand. go for it. if u usually play with low sensitivities and do fuller mouse motions, then it might not be the mouse for u as it has a 'weird'' feel for ppl that use a ''full'' grip.

i havent used the logitech one, but i remember reading some reviews when it came out where people said that they still preferred usign the g5 or g7 over it.

[Nerror]

I've been looking around for a gaming pad, and was wondering does anyone own the Saitek pad or the n52 or n52te, and want to give a recommendation for them? I want to order one, but have been going back and forth on which one to get, kinda leaning towards the n52te. Any pros/cons on them? thx

I have n52 myself and to me it's actually a necessity, because I get shoulder pains if I use the keyboard while gaming. So thumbs up for the n52 from me.

[MadeInRomania]

I've been looking around for a gaming pad, and was wondering does anyone own the Saitek pad or the n52 or n52te, and want to give a recommendation for them? I want to order one, but have been going back and forth on which one to get, kinda leaning towards the n52te. Any pros/cons on them? thx

The N52te got worse reviews than the n52 original because of some key resistance issues... mainly the space bar replacement is too resistant and other smilar smaller details. If u want to play FPSes mainly the n52te is amazing.. and the looks blow u away... however the Saitek Cyborg is better for MMOS and RTSes IMO. more buttons and the joystick is an actual analog joystick (as oposed to a 8 way directional). I personally would take the Saitek over the N52te.. with a heavy heart...

PS> have u considered the Wolfking Warrior ? i know i know it look slike a regular keyboard but in a semi circle... but isnt that the whole issue with a keyboard ? that the keys past 6 onwards cant be hit without moving ur hand out of position ? for my money i would take this pad. not as sexy as the others but provides almost 2x the keys that the N52 provides... : ))

[Gorlung Gutripper]

I prefer my nostromo (http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=390404) (I do not have the cool new light up one)

You can find them for prices ranging from 20-30 bucks in stores and different websites.

they cost from 30-70 depending on the model directly from Belkin.

Mine is about 3 years old now and still works like a champ. Easy to use interface, lots of customizing options and very easy to program.

[MadeInRomania]

yah the original n52 was and is a great pad. and probably the cheapest of all due to age...2002 i belive was when it was released/... or at least thats when i first heard of it