Convince me, which has better lore? WP or WH?

[observer]

These are the final two choices I want to play, but for the lore, not the over-poweredness in the game. :lol:
Warrior-Priest or Witch-Hunter?

BTW, anyone have any good lore links for The Empire? :confused:

[Rofllove]

These are the final two choices I want to play, but for the lore, not the over-poweredness in the game. :lol:
Warrior-Priest or Witch-Hunter?

BTW, anyone have any good lore links for The Empire? :confused:

Apples are betters than oranges I swear!!!

But seriously.

http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/WitchHunter.php
vs
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Empire/Careers/warriorpriest.php

It is a real hard choice but you can't go wrong either way.

[Vikingkingq]

These are the final two choices I want to play, but for the lore, not the over-poweredness in the game. :lol:
Warrior-Priest or Witch-Hunter?

BTW, anyone have any good lore links for The Empire? :confused:

I would recommend checking out the lore thread in general files, also check out Only WAR, they have some good lore stuff, the Empire army book has some good stuff, as do the background books put out by Black Library.

Basically, I think the two are very closely matched, since they sort of represent the two sides of the coin when it comes to the Empire's faith in Sigmar. The Warrior Priest represents the positive side of the coin - the Warrior Priest's faith drives him to take up arms to protect the defenseless peasant, to inspire a soldier whose fear is getting the best of him, to run headlong into certain death trusting on his hammer and Sigmar to accomplish miracles.

The Witch Hunter shows us a darker side, I won't say negative side, of the coin - the Witch Hunter's faith is like a torch he bears into the darkness, the one spark of hope that keeps him from giving up hope when he's surrounded by the forces of Old Night and its a man with a sword and pistol against all the powers of Chaos, the stubborn refusal to give up that lets them shrug off magic, endure horrible pain, to do whatis necessary to save the Empire. It's also the thing that lets him burn villages and not kill himself - the conviction that his cause is righteous.

Lorewise, there are some pretty cool stories either way. With Warrior Priests, the most obvious example would be someone like Luthor Huss, one of the few people in the world of Warhammer who is actually selfless, who does what he thinks is right no matter the cost, who throws himself into danger - alone - without hesitation. With Witch Hunters, you have someone like Mathias Thulmann, who relentlesssly battles zombies, vampires, skaven, cultists, mutants, an Unclean One, and a Horned One to destroy der Buch der Unholden, end the madness of Doktor Wiechs, and protect the Empire from Evil. A man of intelligence and conscience who is willing to do what is necessary yet still feels the pain, a man deeply damaged by the loss of his family yet who refuses to give in to grief, a dark avenger in the best sense of the word.

[observer]

Thanks Vikingkingq! Great descriptions.
I'll have to read up more on Luthor Huss and Mathias Thulmann. :)

[Torquemada Coteaz]

Has a witch hunter ever defeated a bloodthirster practically naked?
Didnt think so ;)

[John_Skellan]

Mathias Thullman, Great Unclan one, harder to kill.

Has a Priest of Sigmar ever infiltrated a Vampire's Castle through a Wine Cask, Assasinated a ranking Thrall in the middle of a ball, witnessed the ascension of a Vampire Lord, and then escaped by the skin of his teeth to alert the Empire of these events? We've done it.

And if you're talking about the teaser for Mark of Chaos, that's a Warrior Priest in full Battle Gear, not naked. We wear less armour than you guys on a regular basis. Also, the Priest isnt shown as winning or losing. My speculation (at least through a gamers eyes) is that the Bloodthirster smacked him and that was the end of that. Holy pulp (litteraly) plus , you guys needed the help of a bloody elf. I would rather have died honorably than be dragged to my death by some elf. lol. Go Hats!

[Torquemada Coteaz]

No I was referring to sigmars battle with a bloodthirster before he was deitised ( spelling? ) Forget what book it was noted in though sorry :(

Oh and your story sounds cool too, but he didnt do it without a shirt on though! Now thats pure 80's "slay the demon, rescue the girl, get drunk and bang her" metal.

[John_Skellan]

But if you were talking about sigmar, how could he be a priest of himelf:confused:? I need time to think this through...

PS: that thing in quotes sounds like a song by motorhead or pantera (or maybe even kiss, i mean they did do "I wanna rock and roll all night, and party every day")

[GrandOne]

WH have better lore, since they even have that nifty little handbook,
which tells how to torture and purify dudes
How to spot chaos and stuff
And how to prove people guilty with fake knives :D

[Metamorph]

Regardless off where you come down on the lore, you can't but agree that Witchhunter's have better fashion sense then Warrior-Priests. The Hat!

[ODDBALL]

Has a witch hunter ever defeated a bloodthirster practically naked?
Didnt think so ;)

Will warrior priests be able to defeat a bloodthirster naked in WAR?

(the answer is no)

[Vikingkingq]

Mathias Thullman, Great Unclan one, harder to kill.

Has a Priest of Sigmar ever infiltrated a Vampire's Castle through a Wine Cask, Assasinated a ranking Thrall in the middle of a ball, witnessed the ascension of a Vampire Lord, and then escaped by the skin of his teeth to alert the Empire of these events? We've done it.

And if you're talking about the teaser for Mark of Chaos, that's a Warrior Priest in full Battle Gear, not naked. We wear less armour than you guys on a regular basis. Also, the Priest isnt shown as winning or losing. My speculation (at least through a gamers eyes) is that the Bloodthirster smacked him and that was the end of that. Holy pulp (litteraly) plus , you guys needed the help of a bloody elf. I would rather have died honorably than be dragged to my death by some elf. lol. Go Hats!

Hey, while I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I have to disagree about the trailer. The Warrior Priest won a lot of respect in my eyes for not dying easy like the one in our video - he took down a heck of a lot of Chosen/Warriors, and his prayers were much more powerful in their effect. Granted, we don't know how it would end...

[GrandOne]

Hey, while I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I have to disagree about the trailer. The Warrior Priest won a lot of respect in my eyes for not dying easy like the one in our video - he took down a heck of a lot of Chosen/Warriors, and his prayers were much more powerful in their effect. Granted, we don't know how it would end...

And was saved from a certain death by an Elf/most likely WE waywatcher for me :D
How you like them apples

[Talios Malkaris]

I like the witch hunter as I have a personal atachment to them. I constantly fight my own inner demons (figurlativy duh!) so the witch hunter has that appeal. They also remind me of the Inquisitors from WH40k. Nothing like eradicating a whole planet to stop the spread of chaos.

[Zeetchmen]

Roll a WP, I mean look at the Pwnage he can do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E

[Remnant]

Regarding lore:

Pick up "Tales of the Old World", which gives you a good smorgasboard of lore from a good portion of the game. It's a collection of short stories set in the Warhammer world.

[John_Skellan]

Hey, while I agree with the general thrust of your argument, I have to disagree about the trailer. The Warrior Priest won a lot of respect in my eyes for not dying easy like the one in our video - he took down a heck of a lot of Chosen/Warriors, and his prayers were much more powerful in their effect. Granted, we don't know how it would end...

Sure, respect is all well and good, but he was a Lord Warrior Priest of Sigmar who managed to knock down 2 Khornate Warriors and kill 3 others. From a gamers perspective, that Warrior Priest just didnt kill his points worth. He shouuld have been able to take down at least 6, and besides that, his warriors with halberds and black powder rifles didnt kill squat. I know that if that waywatcher hadnt come by, he would have been Khrone toast. Also, those prolly werent chosen, Chosen of Khorne are completely insane. They yell and scream and slash and hack like crazy. Those stayed completely quite, which is more like something chosen slaanesh or tzeentchians might do. Also, I know what happened to that priest. A Bloodthirster is twice as strong, twice as tough, has 3x more wounds, and is waaaaaaaaaay faster. That Priest was holy pulp. Not trying to bag on em, my first choice for a character going into this game was a hammerer, and then a WP when I found out they'd be playable charachters. But then WH came along, and I fell in complete love.

(and yeah,thats definatley a way watcher, Damn Elf:evil:)

[Evander]

Roll a WP, I mean look at the Pwnage he can do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E

Thats pure ingame WAR footage there, one WariorPriest fighting tons of Chaos Chosen.
Beats the WAR cinematic a hundred times :roll:

[Amar]

Roll a WP, I mean look at the Pwnage he can do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E

Yeah but that Elf pwned way harder... This sucks!









j/k

[John_Skellan]

Thats pure ingame WAR footage there, one WariorPriest fighting tons of Chaos Chosen.
Beats the WAR cinematic a hundred times :roll:

Thats the Cinematic for Warhammer: Mark of Chaos... Not in game footage, not a teaser, not even related to WAR. Its a completely different game where the leaders are all overpowered, and an internet connection isnt needed at all. Great game though, I loved it.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

(and yeah,thats definatley a way watcher, Damn Elf:evil:)No its not, its a high elf shadow warrior.
Look at the high elf; shadow warrior thread called 'Shadow warrior, in action!' or something like that.
There's a link to developers confirming, that it is indeed a HE shadow warrior, not a way watcher.

So in conclusion, sorry to burst your bubble, but that is most definatly NOT a waywatcher.

EDIT.
Ps, and I only just realised im posting in a thread that's 3 months old.
SORRY!!!

[Vegetta]

I'm playing both and I will see which one i prefer and probably use that as my main

[Count Izreal]

Mathias Thullman, Great Unclan one, harder to kill.

Has a Priest of Sigmar ever infiltrated a Vampire's Castle through a Wine Cask, Assasinated a ranking Thrall in the middle of a ball, witnessed the ascension of a Vampire Lord, and then escaped by the skin of his teeth to alert the Empire of these events? We've done it.

And if you're talking about the teaser for Mark of Chaos, that's a Warrior Priest in full Battle Gear, not naked. We wear less armour than you guys on a regular basis. Also, the Priest isnt shown as winning or losing. My speculation (at least through a gamers eyes) is that the Bloodthirster smacked him and that was the end of that. Holy pulp (litteraly) plus , you guys needed the help of a bloody elf. I would rather have died honorably than be dragged to my death by some elf. lol. Go Hats!

Yeah, but did we ask for some High Elves to follow us in the shadows like cowards? We fought to what we thought was the end, the High Elves just ruined it by saving us.

[Taurth]

The Witch Hunter shows us a darker side, I won't say negative side, of the coin - the Witch Hunter's faith is like a torch he bears into the darkness, the one spark of hope that keeps him from giving up hope when he's surrounded by the forces of Old Night and its a man with a sword and pistol against all the powers of Chaos, the stubborn refusal to give up that lets them shrug off magic, endure horrible pain, to do whatis necessary to save the Empire. It's also the thing that lets him burn villages and not kill himself - the conviction that his cause is righteous.

I know very little about Witch Hunters, but I've just started reading The Enemy Within. A book about a Celestial Wizard whose blackmailed into infiltrating The Red Crown - a Tzeentchian Chaos cult - by a Witch Hunter.

Would you consider that a good representation of a Witch Hunter? Considering he comes across very corrupt, openly says he's blackmailing the books main Character Dieter and forces him to infiltrate the cult despite him not doing anything wrong. But he does it in hope that Dieter can discover the head of the cult so it can be brought down.

[Vikingkingq]

I know very little about Witch Hunters, but I've just started reading The Enemy Within. A book about a Celestial Wizard whose blackmailed into infiltrating The Red Crown - a Tzeentchian Chaos cult - by a Witch Hunter.

Would you consider that a good representation of a Witch Hunter? Considering he comes across very corrupt, openly says he's blackmailing the books main Character Dieter and forces him to infiltrate the cult despite him not doing anything wrong. But he does it in hope that Dieter can discover the head of the cult so it can be brought down.

It's a good representation of some Witch Hunters. If you want a good overview, read Witch Hunter, Witch Finder, and Witch Killer to see lots of different Witch Hunters interacting. Some are like the Witch Hunter you cite, others are quite different.

[Tarantio]

My favourite Witch Hunter related piece of kit - A retractable dagger. Used by the discerning Witch Hunter to 'prove' to local law that a target is chaos touched. Stab the blade toward the enemy, the blade retracts into the handle. Target must be a witch, as they are unharmed!
This item alone has made me like the Witch Hunters a whole lot more.

[Lord_Mortimer_88]

I know very little about Witch Hunters, but I've just started reading The Enemy Within. A book about a Celestial Wizard whose blackmailed into infiltrating The Red Crown - a Tzeentchian Chaos cult - by a Witch Hunter.

Would you consider that a good representation of a Witch Hunter? Considering he comes across very corrupt, openly says he's blackmailing the books main Character Dieter and forces him to infiltrate the cult despite him not doing anything wrong. But he does it in hope that Dieter can discover the head of the cult so it can be brought down.


well the celestial should have forseen that fate in the stars and attempted to flee .. obviously he either resigned himself to his fate or he was alone .. as celestial wizaerds end to group together to study

[Doc Lumbago]

you desperate for other people´s opinions here you are
the War Priest is the more fascinating figure. A mix between the average Holy Man
and a tough warrior.Priests are mostly considered to be weak, pacifistic and relying on words or the holy whatsoever to solve their problems.This priest relies on his Faith AND his Hammer.His reaction to 30 beastmen waiting outside the door is not "lord save us" it´s simply "waste them!

read the Witch Hunter Threads for the origins of him. you find that Lonesome Avenger Guy quite often.

Basically you decide between Clint Eastwood and Brother Tuck