High Elf Career Speculation

[Garthilk]

Based on video's, hint dropping, etc.

Swordmasters
Arch Mages
Shadow Warriors

[Taurth]

Personally I'd like to see:

Tank: Swordsmaster
Melee DPS: White Lion
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Caster/Hybrid: Arch Mage

[Zeetchmen]

"Bloody Shadow Warriors!"

Paul B. :p

[AlienOverlord]

Hmmm, all the new Elf discussion threads.

Is Garthik just being prepared?

Or does he *know* something we don't?

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Hmmmmm

:)

Personally I'd be interested in seeing if any of the Elves will have mounted combat. It seems like if they decide to do it at all.

[Khargas]

Based on video's, hint dropping, etc.

Swordmasters
Arch Mages
Shadow Warriors

I think much of it comes down to if they go with 2 melee 2 magic, or throw us a curve and go 1 and 3. If its 2 and 2, then Swordmasters would seem to be the offensive fighter. A Phoenix guard could be the defensive warrior. White Lions would be another offensive fighters, so unlikely. Silverhelms, Reavers and Dragon Princes only if mounted combat became a focus (and Jeff and Paul seemed iffy on that). Now they could also throw us a curve and have no defensive warrior, or have the swordmaster able to use his skills to parry and block to serve as both. If so, I wouldn't be suprised to see a archer class.

For magic, the archmage seems a given, but a 2nd magic class would have to be something cooked up between GW and mythic. Possibly a healer of sometime, maybe using singing magic of some form.

Edit: was just thinking, Order currently has no pet class. Maybe they get sneaky and add a magic using pet class in with the elves. Or a falconer (which imo is more a wood elf thing) or other pet keeper.

[Hatemonger]

I hope there aren't any more pet classes. Keep the Squig Herders nice and unique.

To bad everyone seems to like those lame Beastmasters so much.

[Kharnath]

Personally I'd like to see:

Tank: Swordsmaster
Melee DPS: White Lion
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Caster/Hybrid: Arch Mage

this is what i'd guess...save it'd be called just "Mage" and not
"Arch Mage"

...they have to have the white lions...they're too iconic and cool to pass up

[Flegler]

I think it's very likely that High Elves will have two mage classes - one nuker and one healer. They use nine kinds of magic after all, and each lore is distinct enough to make a unique class. I'd expect something like High Mage and Light Mage.

Anyway, Empire and Chaos each have two classes that specialise in magic. It'd look odd if High Elves, who are meant to be the masters of magic, only get one.

[Okri]

I'd like to see the White Lions, and Dragon Princes. And perhaps they would throw in some Handmaidens, to serve as the counterpart to Witch Elves, that is if they are included. And of course a Mage. They're elves after all.

Well, that's all you see of me here, you lilly-livered, flower-picking, no-good elgi scum. Best of luck to you all, and I'll see you on the battlefield, oh, and hah-hah, we got your crown. ^^

[Snorri]

I'd prefer to see Swordmasters, Shadow Warriors, and then two Mage classes - as Flegler said.

Other than that, what Okri said. ;)

[badkarma]

Personally I'd like to see:

Tank: Swordsmaster
Melee DPS: White Lion
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Caster/Hybrid: Arch Mage

I'd probablly think this is a fairly safe assumption. But since it seems that mythic is putting in some of the less used game units (ie. KotBS) I think it may be safe to exchange the swordmaster with something like the lothern sea guard, or maybe even a dragon prince (that may be too elite though)

[Spleen]

Tank: Dragon Princes
DPS: Swordmasters
Healer: Mages
Ranged: Shadow Warriors

[Conchabar]

the fact theres a dragon and the prince in the name, means the chances of such an elite named character being in the game, goes on the big no way in hadees, i think there will be shadow warrior, sword masters and arch mages like Garthilk said and i wouldnt be surprised if they put a pet class for elfs in.

[Hrothgar the Exile]

I think Garthilk knows something we don't ... He made this post, and put up two sub-forums for Shadow Warriors and Sorcerers ...

[The Elfologist]

Meh, he mainly did so because people have been asking for it like, a hundred times since the game was announced 'in making'.

Shadow Warriors, yes. They will be in.
Mages/Arch Mages ( I doubt the latter as they're actually not so 'common' as some believe. ) But yes, they will be in.
Swordmaster or White Lion. Not quite sure which, simply because I, personally, don't think that the High Elf King's personal guard should be a playable class. Then again, the dwarfs have the hammerers, so it's possible.
Lothern Seaguard. Why do I think they are a good 'tank' choice? Because they are the capital city of Ulthuan's guard, ever vigilant. Because Silver Helms and Dragon Princes fight on horseback Only. ( I'm talking mini's here, deal with it ) And because they're trained in shield, sword and spear handling, and that's just sweet.

I'm still really, really worried about a few things, which are, a severe lack of High Elf guard/tank/whateveryouwanttocallit, as opposed to a Massive incursion of mages and shadow warriors, cause hell, everyone knows that high elves are good archers and have a great affinity to magic, All elves do, right!?

I for one will be playing a tank, regardless of which type of character it is. I really hope it's possible to use a spear though, since spears are just awesome weapons. :cool:

[Linkusmax]

Swordmaster or White Lion. Not quite sure which, simply because I, personally, don't think that the High Elf King's personal guard should be a playable class. Then again, the dwarfs have the hammerers, so it's possible.


Not all of the White Lions are in his personal guard, their often used to guard important nobles. Or heck just as a source of woodscraft for an army.

My Guess as always

Well I am a bit of a HE Lore buff so discounting Core choices because their mostly rather bland.

Melee/Tank: Swordmasters Of Hoeth because of their ability (lore wise) to knock arrows from the air and parry with their great swords and elves seem to be more finesse then just whacking a lot of armour on, the other option is Dragon Princes as they are the only ones with truly Heavy Armour. A defense (or use!) from/of magic could easily be brought in from them being drawn from Saphery and training at the HE center of magic.

Melee/DPS: White Lions of Chrace, Giant Axes lighter armour and their considered to be the strongest elves in Ulthuan (Base STR 4 instead of 3), or if not the Tank, Swordmasters as they also wield Great weapons (Not quite as strong as White Lions but quicker).

Ranged/DPS: I can only really see the Shadow Warriors here, masters of the bow and with acceptable melee prowess. Also a prime example of the darker side of HE lore.

Ranged DPS/Healer: High Mage, probably utilising High Magic (rather then one of the 8 base laws) its just too iconic to leave out. The HE mages have access to all 8 laws as well as High Magic so it could very well be a combination.

Feel free to shoot me down.

[Vikingkingq]

Not all of the White Lions are in his personal guard, their often used to guard important nobles. Or heck just as a source of woodscraft for an army.

My Guess as always

Well I am a bit of a HE Lore buff so discounting Core choices because their mostly rather bland.

Melee/Tank: Swordmasters Of Hoeth because of their ability (lore wise) to knock arrows from the air and parry with their great swords and elves seem to be more finesse then just whacking a lot of armour on, the other option is Dragon Princes as they are the only ones with truly Heavy Armour. A defense (or use!) from/of magic could easily be brought in from them being drawn from Saphery and training at the HE center of magic.

Melee/DPS: White Lions of Chrace, Giant Axes lighter armour and their considered to be the strongest elves in Ulthuan (Base STR 4 instead of 3), or if not the Tank, Swordmasters as they also wield Great weapons (Not quite as strong as White Lions but quicker).

Ranged/DPS: I can only really see the Shadow Warriors here, masters of the bow and with acceptable melee prowess. Also a prime example of the darker side of HE lore.

Ranged DPS/Healer: High Mage, probably utilising High Magic (rather then one of the 8 base laws) its just too iconic to leave out. The HE mages have access to all 8 laws as well as High Magic so it could very well be a combination.

Feel free to shoot me down.

I agree with your picks.

Another potential might be Phoenix Guards as tanks.

High Mage might also be called Loremasters. Same thing, diff. name.

[Vikingkingq]

Based on video's, hint dropping, etc.

Swordmasters
Arch Mages
Shadow Warriors

I know where you're getting the shadow warriors, but where are you getting the rest?
From the video showing the White Tower of Saphery?

If you could point me to some sources, that would be awesome.

[Linkusmax]

I agree with your picks.

Another potential might be Phoenix Guards as tanks.

High Mage might also be called Loremasters. Same thing, diff. name.

Phoenix Guard can't talk (Thats like their "thing") thats why I excluded them as a playable class.

Loremasters are actually warriors turned Mages, usually they were swordmasters (After they have mastered the art of battle.)

[Vikingkingq]

Phoenix Guard can't talk (Thats like their "thing") thats why I excluded them as a playable class.

Loremasters are actually warriors turned Mages, usually they were swordmasters (After they have mastered the art of battle.)

Yeah. If they decide to go for a melee healer, maybe.

[The Elfologist]

Well, like Linkus said, Phoenix Guard keep their mouths shut, since they know the future, they know exactly when they're going to die, and they keep still about it, entering a fight regardless of the knowledge that they will die that day. Awesome, no? But for roleplayers, a loss. I do like their armour and weapons though.

True, a loremaster is a warrior-mage, with warrior first. I actually kind of like the idea. Get a 'Gandalfy type' of character. And don't pretend you didn't like seeing him fight with his staff and sword in The Two Towers, because you did. What with him twirling about, smacking random segments of orc face, and skewering the others with shiny sword, quite nice.

And yeah, Thanks for the Correction, Link. I just read it up myself, White Lions only have a single Regiment as the king's guard, and I take it there are more than just 1. Cheers.

[Vikingkingq]

Well, like Linkus said, Phoenix Guard keep their mouths shut, since they know the future, they know exactly when they're going to die, and they keep still about it, entering a fight regardless of the knowledge that they will die that day. Awesome, no? But for roleplayers, a loss. I do like their armour and weapons though.

True, a loremaster is a warrior-mage, with warrior first. I actually kind of like the idea. Get a 'Gandalfy type' of character. And don't pretend you didn't like seeing him fight with his staff and sword in The Two Towers, because you did. What with him twirling about, smacking random segments of orc face, and skewering the others with shiny sword, quite nice.

And yeah, Thanks for the Correction, Link. I just read it up myself, White Lions only have a single Regiment as the king's guard, and I take it there are more than just 1. Cheers.

Well, I kind of like mute characters in RPs. I seem to remember a Forgotten Realms novel about a saurian paladin who could only communicate with sign-language, and it was actually quite fun at the time.

I agree that loremasters would be fun. Personally, my first image of Gandalf isn't from LoTR the movie - it was the graphic novel of the Hobbit. I really remember quite vividly the discovery of Glamdring and Orcrist, and Gandalf was so freaking cool in that - not the Jesus figure out to save the world, but a really clever Wizard who could throw down with his Glamdring "The Foe-Hammer" at any time.

[Nerothos]

I just had a stroke of brilliance!

To solve the solution of 2 casters, perhaps the melee DPS will be a Loremaster instead of a Swordmaster?

Think about it! Warriors of the blade and practitioners of magic!

So you have:

-Dragon Prince for tank.
-White Lions or Shadow Warriors for DPS
-Loremaster for fighter/caster hybrid
-Mage for pure caster

Yes? No?

Edit: Nevermind. Stupid quicker thinkers.

[Linkusmax]

I just had a stroke of brilliance!

To solve the solution of 2 casters, perhaps the melee DPS will be a Loremaster instead of a Swordmaster?

Think about it! Warriors of the blade and practitioners of magic!

So you have:

-Dragon Prince for tank.
-White Lions or Shadow Warriors for DPS
-Loremaster for fighter/caster hybrid
-Mage for pure caster

Yes? No?

Edit: Nevermind. Stupid quicker thinkers.

:D

Anyway its a good possibility but somthing a bit more like this

Tank: Loremaster (Might be called Swordmaster) Basically a warrior mage that uses magic buffs/his awesome abilities with the blade to parry dodge and mitigate attacks both physical and magical.

The rest as per my guesses earlier.

[Godynial]

this is what i'd guess...save it'd be called just "Mage" and not
"Arch Mage"

...they have to have the white lions...they're too iconic and cool to pass up

Or why not call them Seers? Mage sounds just too generic and bland for me :rolleyes:

But yeah, give us White Lions! Definately they would be my choice of class. :)

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Call them "Mage's Apprentice". Seriously. It would help build up some of the feeling as to how far superior elves are to humans when it comes to magic.

[Gemini]

Call them "Mage's Apprentice". Seriously. It would help build up some of the feeling as to how far superior elves are to humans when it comes to magic.

Except for the fact we are soldiers in an elite batallion(ravenhost, bloody sun boyz, ect), I'm sure the same will go for the elves. I mean, Malekith is making a daring push, no doubt sending all his best units into this invasion so that he may finally crush the high elves. This is a once in a life time oppritunity for him, and something that most be stopped at all costs for the high elves. So... the high elves respond with apprentinces? I understand any other race's best mages might pale in comparison to most magic elves, but, they're not just fighting humans in another war, they're also fighting fellow elves for the fate of their race. They would send everything they got.

[Selendor]

I would like to slaughter the following.

Swordmasters
White Lions
High Mages
Shadow Warriors

Mix up the roles however you like. :-P But in my opinion those classes rock.

[The Elfologist]

In all honesty, I really don't care which melee classes come out.

Two positions are filled, as a definate.
Form of archer. ( probably shadow warriors )
Form of mage. ( probably just a mage )

Heh, just a mage. As if they're a normal thing. *looks around* Yeah, that guy is just blasting random kittens in his backyard, training his fire magic and stuff, no big deal.

I just want to equip my character with a spear and a shield and poke things to death on a horrid fashion, then smile and laugh in a dark, sinister sort of way.

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Except for the fact we are soldiers in an elite batallion(ravenhost, bloody sun boyz, ect), I'm sure the same will go for the elves. I mean, Malekith is making a daring push, no doubt sending all his best units into this invasion so that he may finally crush the high elves. This is a once in a life time oppritunity for him, and something that most be stopped at all costs for the high elves. So... the high elves respond with apprentinces? I understand any other race's best mages might pale in comparison to most magic elves, but, they're not just fighting humans in another war, they're also fighting fellow elves for the fate of their race. They would send everything they got.

There's always a Dark Elf invasion of Ulthuan; he's launched several others. And yes, indeed, they would send everything they've got - including the apprentices!
See? Makes sense. You've got a large pool of competent magicians, and you send'em out into war. They respond with the better mages, too, but like humans don't play Elector Counts, the elves don't play Archmages or even full mages. They play apprentices.

[Azyrn]

I am fairly confident that Dragon Princes will be in.
I am also kind of curious to know if Mythic has seen the new High elf TT stuff. I know its coming out in Autumn and i know that high elves have always been the premier dragon race. And alot of rumors are around saying they will be a much more heavily dragon styled/using army then they have previously been.

My personal wish list is
Tank: Dragon Prince
Ranged/Skirmish styled melee: Shadow Warrior
then 2 forms of casters

[The Elfologist]

Be that as it may, they're actually just a mythical creature race. Like the dark elves have a wyvern and hydra, dragon. High Elves have 1 Dragon, phoenix, giant eagles. Wood Elves have unicorns, right? And they have treants. All of which are mythological creations.

Also, in the Asur fluff it is quite clear that the dragons are sleeping, aslumber, and few have the skill to rouse them for battle. Maybe they will find a way again, it'd be nice enough. :)

But then at least they Will get a spear! Spearage!

[Linkusmax]

Apparently thats changing in the new HE book, muchos dragons!

even dragon-mages (Combat Mages with a dragon theme).

[Gemini]

There's always a Dark Elf invasion of Ulthuan; he's launched several others. And yes, indeed, they would send everything they've got - including the apprentices!
See? Makes sense. You've got a large pool of competent magicians, and you send'em out into war. They respond with the better mages, too, but like humans don't play Elector Counts, the elves don't play Archmages or even full mages. They play apprentices.

Yes, but this one has been described as THE invasion. I mean, look at all the work he's done, teamed with Chaos to make the Humans very threatened, and make the Greenskin warboss and his shaman super-powerful so they could get a huge WAAAGH!!! going against the Dwarves. That way the dwarves can't assist the humans, so the High Elves will have to. A large chunk of the High Elf fleet is suddenly away from Ulthuan, the rest unsuspecting of the coming invasion. This is a once in a lifetime oppritunity for Malekith, that plan won't work a second time.

However, yes, I'm sure apprentinces will be in the battle, because ya send em all. But it's an MMO, scaling has to be done, Chosen vs Goblins, for example. An archmage would just be the more intresting class to play at first glance. No one not familiar is gonna look at all the spellcasters and think "Hmmm... I want... the apprentance! Yeah, that sounds better than the crazy pyros or the demonic-beast riding magus!"

I would be fine with them not being called Archmages, to perserve the lore. Honestly, I think the Loremaster sounds awesome, but from my understanding that makes it a melee class. So High Mage or something, I guess? Something other than "mage" or "apprentance".

Oh, and if I am correct in Loremasters being melee spellcasters.... Loremaster for melee dps slot!

[Revlid]

Swordmasters/White Lions: Melee DPS
Archmages: Nuking Caster
Shadow Warriors/Seaguard: Ranged DPS
Phoenix Guard: Tank/Minor Healer

It doesn't fit the fragile Elves to have a pure Tank, imo.

[Dustandpolos]

I'll be honest, good as the loremaster idea is I don't think it works.

They don't really fit the healer/caster spot as all mage classes have staffs - it's the silhouette/identifier thing. Loremasters being essentially Swordmasters with magic, their main weapon would have to be the greatsword (being the iconic weapon, although they are actually trained in many types) and that really doesn't shout 'wizard!'

Nor can loremasters replace Swordmasters in either the dps or tank role. Why? 'Cos unless you're Chaos, magic-users can't wear armour. Any armour. Say what you like about parrying and dodging, but there's no way you can have a main melee class with no stealth and absolutely no armour, not even for Elves. It's like giving ranged skirmishers full plate - theoretically you could do it, but it would look badly out of place, confuse everyone about the character's role and really shouldn't work.

[Linkusmax]

I'll be honest, good as the loremaster idea is I don't think it works.

They don't really fit the healer/caster spot as all mage classes have staffs - it's the silhouette/identifier thing. Loremasters being essentially Swordmasters with magic, their main weapon would have to be the greatsword (being the iconic weapon, although they are actually trained in many types) and that really doesn't shout 'wizard!'

Nor can loremasters replace Swordmasters in either the dps or tank role. Why? 'Cos unless you're Chaos, magic-users can't wear armour. Any armour. Say what you like about parrying and dodging, but there's no way you can have a main melee class with no stealth and absolutely no armour, not even for Elves. It's like giving ranged skirmishers full plate - theoretically you could do it, but it would look badly out of place, confuse everyone about the character's role and really shouldn't work.

Actually the magic item: Radiant Gem of Hoeth (where swordmasters come from) allows you to cast while wearing armour.

Plus the upcoming Dragon-Mages will wear dragon armour.

[Dustandpolos]

There's only 1 Radiant Gem, and it only gives lvl 1 spellcasting no matter how powerful the bearer, making it completely unsuitable for the many, increasingly powerful mages in this game. As far as the upcoming Army Book is concerned I don't really know; under current rules no armour, no matter how magically forged, permits spellcasting, the exception being Chaos armour which is so suffused with Chaos energy it's practically made of the stuff. Vampires get to wear armour too, though I don't know why. Any rate, I'm slightly dubious they'll give the High Elves yet another special bonus that was previously a boasting point of only two races.*

If you're right about the Dragon Mages thing, however, it would open new possibilities. Where are you getting your info? If it is true, they'd be Caledorian no Sapherian, so I'd suggest they'd be primarily spellcasters not melee (like the Warrior Priests) as they could still have their staves and are, after all, called Dragon Mages. That'd be pretty cool and make sure they got stuck in in close combat; High Elf mages are otherwise some of the most support-role casters out there


*Except of course other unique magic armours that generally do nothing except allow wizards to cast spells while wearing what's basically light armour or some such.

[Linkusmax]

That rule dosen't actually exist in 7th edition. You can cast magic while wearing armour, its just most mages don't have to option to take armour under their selection and thus can't buy the magic equivalent either.

The Dragon Mages are indeed caledorian, I was just using this as an example. They are also melee fighters rather then frontline casters and if my sources are correct will have their own magic lore.

Alot of the info on the new book can be found in the forums of both warseer.com and asur.org.uk .

[Selandri]

Well, I kind of like mute characters in RPs. I seem to remember a Forgotten Realms novel about a saurian paladin who could only communicate with sign-language, and it was actually quite fun at the time.

Dragonbait, companion to Alias the Sellsword :)

I forget the series name, I swear a few of the books are nearby but in the mess that is my gaming stuff finding them could take weeks.

-Still fervently hopes they add the Handmaidens of the Everqueen- I like lost causes!

[Thorval]

White lions are the only thing that truly got me into High elves. They should be the melee DPS class, pure and simple.

I just bought the High Elf rule book from my local GW store so i'll read up on it to see what units could be what classes.

[Revlid]

Vampires get to wear armour too, though I don't know why.

AFAIK, they only get to wear Bone Armour, by the virtue that it's magical and not made of metal.
And Blood Dragons, but they get Full Plate for free, so it's more for simplicity of rules than anything else.

If you're right about the Dragon Mages thing, however, it would open new possibilities. Where are you getting your info? If it is true, they'd be Caledorian no Sapherian, so I'd suggest they'd be primarily spellcasters not melee (like the Warrior Priests) as they could still have their staves and are, after all, called Dragon Mages. That'd be pretty cool and make sure they got stuck in in close combat; High Elf mages are otherwise some of the most support-role casters out there

I haven't heard anything about Dragon-Mages, anywhere, and they smack of D&D Sorcerers. Hmm. Drakes, on the other hand, are practically confirmed.

[SirSeptin]

I'ma go with Swordmaster, Seaguard(probably not gonna happen and be a shadow warrior instead...stupid shadow warriors), mage and healer.

I'll be very very bitter if swordmasters arn't in, they like..rawk. Also if swordmasters are limited to greatswords only I'll slap somone. But it should prove interesting to see what choices they go for. As somone said White Lionsa re very Iconic, but then as will said they are the personal guard of the phoenix King.....Swordmasters at least protect an institution not a single elf. :p

[The Elfologist]

Heh, yeah I did say that Seppy.


I wonder if mages will be stuck with twohanded staves... Like, a staff for magic which switches to a sword for melee might be nice. Hell, one of their mini's is holding em both. A spear on a mage also works. Mmmh.

[Jhayden]

Give me Swordmaster and I will be a happy man.

[Dustandpolos]

Based on the storyboards for the intro video, I'd guess our 3 of our 4 classes are (1) a mage. (2) white lions (3) a mounted unit.

All three of these were considered for the trailer; mage is obvious, and one with staff at all times as with all other wizard classes (though that doesn't rule out a sword featuring somewhere). White horses means Dragon Princes, Silver Helms or Ellyrion Reavers. It sounded like a melee scene to me, plus in practice a mounted ranged DPS character would be an infuriating, kiting b*****d and no fun for anyone but themselves (though the idea is quite cool). Between silver helms and dragon princes I'd go with the latter, if only because we've had no core troops yet in other armies, and Dragon Princes...well, they're just more recognisable and have an obvious gimmick

The third class are White Lions, who were replaced in the trailer because of the 'Lion's Roar' ability:

"High Elf White Lion (Cool warrior class, check!). All looked pretty good, except we went a bit too far by giving the White Lion a cool new ability – the Lion’s Roar - that we could not guarantee would be in the game" (link below)

This is not proof of White Lions by any means, but does tell us that Mythic consider White Lions potentially a cool melee character class with room for creative license and interesting skills, and that at the stage this was written they were expecting to have WL in the game using skills they'd have to check with GW, either as NPCs or player characters. Given they were strongly considered to represent HE in the trailer, that to me suggests player class, although Dwarf slayers speak against. Going by their role in TT they should be melee DPS, although it is conceivable they could be made tanks; after all, their cloaks make them the most bulky-looking of HE infantry as well as providing extra protection to the armour (which looks no thinner than Swordmaster) and they could very easily resurrect the 5th ed. rules, in which their fighting styles were effective at [1] aggressively locking downenemy troops (enemy had -1 attacks when WL charged) and [2] using a combination of dodging and parrying to disrupt and absorb enemy assaults (enemy -1 to hit when charging White Lions). Add their current bodyguard rule and I've changed my mind from being horrified at the idea of light-armoured, high damage shock troops being used as tanks to thinking the lore actually makes them fit this role quite well, even if their TT rules normally mean they're used for a different role. Although if I was right about the mounted character, they'd obviously be tank leaving White Lions as DPS, which is quite all right by me.

The source:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/behindTheScenes/theMakingOf/WARCinematicTrailerPartThree.php

[Dustandpolos]

And incidently, as I'm sure has been stated before somewhere White Lions do not just protect the Phoenix King. They're representitive of the fighting style of elite Chracian troops, and detatchments are often sent elsewhere (how else could you include them in TT armies at all otherwise? There aren't even expereimental rules for Finubar that I've heard of). I believe Tyrion is mentioned as being given a unit when sweeping Ulthuan of the remaining Druchii after the Battle of Finuval Plains - the one which Teclis defeats Malekith in a magic duel. And given all player characters are part of an elite fighting force set up by the faction leader himself with a specific goal (in all races so far, at least) you'd expect the Phoenix King to send his elite personal guard among the agents, just as the Dwarf Hammerers and Chaos Chosen are handpicked bodyguard/elite cadre troops.

[sunlui]

White Lions would be a cool DPS class but I think they will go along the magical path for the High Elves. So here is what i think they might do.

Tank - Swordmaster (dodges and parries to tank(explained below) and i think it would be nice to have tier weapons so they start of with a dagger and a dirk( dirk is a long slender dagger if my memory is right used to parry) T2 is a sword and dirk T3 is a sword and sword breaker( sword breaker used to parry and disarm opponents) and T4 they use there ceremonial greatswords)

Ranged DPS - Mage (T1 uses 6 out of the 8 lores to begin with (leaving out light and fire) uses the weaker spells from the other lore and high magic T2 uses medium spells from the lists T3 uses high magic and in T4 uses the most powerful spells in high magic and the other lores

Healer/Debuffer - Mage's apprentice ( T1 uses the blessings of Isha to heal T2 uses the blessings of Isha and some of the weaker light magic spells to heal and debuff T3 uses the lore of Light and T4 uses the lore of Light and a few minor high magic spells

Buffer - Priest of Morai-Heg ( fights in combat to gain a vision bar the more vision they have the better the buffs are)

I put Swordmaster as the tank because since they have been working with Black Industries as well as Games Workshop and Black Industries has parry and dodge skills then Swordmaster would use skills like them to keep damage from hurting him/her. I thought about putting the priest of Vaul in instead of Morai-Heg but Morai-Heg i could think of a way they would have to fight without starting with decent buffs. Not sure if Morai-Heg has priest but still i thought it would be a fun idea to put in :)

[Lynx]

My predictions in May 2006.

http://www.only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3513

- Lynx :bwolves:

Shadow Warriors, i said it first!

[Dustandpolos]

2 pure mage classes? I hope not. Apart from anything else, it breaks the now quite well-established pattern of one staff-wielding cloth-caster per race; mages would hardly look different which would be confusing, and who'd play a mage's apprentice when they could play mage? The classes will have to be balanced, so calling an equally powerful wizard an apprentice to the other would make no sense. I think the mage will fill the healer/caster role quite adequately like the shaman for greenskins.

[Blaze]

My Guess as always

Well I am a bit of a HE Lore buff so discounting Core choices because their mostly rather bland.

Melee/Tank: Swordmasters Of Hoeth because of their ability (lore wise) to knock arrows from the air and parry with their great swords and elves seem to be more finesse then just whacking a lot of armour on, the other option is Dragon Princes as they are the only ones with truly Heavy Armour. A defense (or use!) from/of magic could easily be brought in from them being drawn from Saphery and training at the HE center of magic.

Melee/DPS: White Lions of Chrace, Giant Axes lighter armour and their considered to be the strongest elves in Ulthuan (Base STR 4 instead of 3), or if not the Tank, Swordmasters as they also wield Great weapons (Not quite as strong as White Lions but quicker).

Ranged/DPS: I can only really see the Shadow Warriors here, masters of the bow and with acceptable melee prowess. Also a prime example of the darker side of HE lore.

Ranged DPS/Healer: High Mage, probably utilising High Magic (rather then one of the 8 base laws) its just too iconic to leave out. The HE mages have access to all 8 laws as well as High Magic so it could very well be a combination.

Feel free to shoot me down.

This is exactly what I hope to see, so I'll just quote you instead of writing my own.

I especially just love the idea of the Swordmaster tank. All the tank classes so far have been unique (both is style and mechanics) and it would be terribly boring to just see an elf with plate and a shield as tank.

[wojo2024]

Based on the storyboards for the intro video, I'd guess our 3 of our 4 classes are (1) a mage. (2) white lions (3) a mounted unit.

All three of these were considered for the trailer; mage is obvious, and one with staff at all times as with all other wizard classes (though that doesn't rule out a sword featuring somewhere). White horses means Dragon Princes, Silver Helms or Ellyrion Reavers. It sounded like a melee scene to me, plus in practice a mounted ranged DPS character would be an infuriating, kiting b*****d and no fun for anyone but themselves (though the idea is quite cool). Between silver helms and dragon princes I'd go with the latter, if only because we've had no core troops yet in other armies, and Dragon Princes...well, they're just more recognisable and have an obvious gimmick

The third class are White Lions, who were replaced in the trailer because of the 'Lion's Roar' ability:

"High Elf White Lion (Cool warrior class, check!). All looked pretty good, except we went a bit too far by giving the White Lion a cool new ability – the Lion’s Roar - that we could not guarantee would be in the game" (link below)

This is not proof of White Lions by any means, but does tell us that Mythic consider White Lions potentially a cool melee character class with room for creative license and interesting skills, and that at the stage this was written they were expecting to have WL in the game using skills they'd have to check with GW, either as NPCs or player characters. Given they were strongly considered to represent HE in the trailer, that to me suggests player class, although Dwarf slayers speak against. Going by their role in TT they should be melee DPS, although it is conceivable they could be made tanks; after all, their cloaks make them the most bulky-looking of HE infantry as well as providing extra protection to the armour (which looks no thinner than Swordmaster) and they could very easily resurrect the 5th ed. rules, in which their fighting styles were effective at [1] aggressively locking downenemy troops (enemy had -1 attacks when WL charged) and [2] using a combination of dodging and parrying to disrupt and absorb enemy assaults (enemy -1 to hit when charging White Lions). Add their current bodyguard rule and I've changed my mind from being horrified at the idea of light-armoured, high damage shock troops being used as tanks to thinking the lore actually makes them fit this role quite well, even if their TT rules normally mean they're used for a different role. Although if I was right about the mounted character, they'd obviously be tank leaving White Lions as DPS, which is quite all right by me.

The source:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/behindTheScenes/theMakingOf/WARCinematicTrailerPartThree.php


Sorry, but Mythic, either Jeff or Paul said there will be only 1 mounted unit on each side..that being chosen and KotBS

[Flegler]

2 pure mage classes? I hope not. Apart from anything else, it breaks the now quite well-established pattern of one staff-wielding cloth-caster per race; mages would hardly look different which would be confusing
They don't both have to carry a staff by any means, and their appearance could easily be radically different. Look at the Zealot and Magus - two takes on the "Chaos Sorcerer" archetype that look and play completely differently.

[Delbeath]

I really hope that the high elves, masters of magic, get a spellcaster who is just ranged dps, maybe with some added utility, but not filling the healer-role, too.

To put in three kinds of elven careers using weapons, and then heap the heals, support and ranged magic functions on the sole remaining magic-career would really dampen my joy for the high elves.

So I am hoping for two magicky careers, who are some mix of ranged dps, utility, and heals.

I also like the idea of a melee/healing class, may it be seaguard, may it be something else.

damn the wait ... ;)

[Imrik32]

I really hope the Swordmaster is not a tank. It doesn't make any sense. First of all, they use greatswords(though in the lore they are trained in all things), however, they do not primarily(and I don't even know if they can be equipped in the TT) use sword and board. Dodging and parrying would be TERRIBLE for tanking. Everything being based off of a percentage change not to take damage? Sometimes the odds are good, sometimes they play like the actual percentage, and sometimes you just get the shaft and wouldn't get a dodge or parry for a while. Heavy armor plus a shield is the best way to tank when designing a game, having a 2h weapon wielding tank in light/medium armor who relies on dodges and parries is not a good a tank.

[Nathar]

I really hope that the high elves, masters of magic, get a spellcaster who is just ranged dps, maybe with some added utility, but not filling the healer-role, too.


Now this I don't get. Unlike empire (the apprentices of magic, if you wish), the high elves (masters of magic) don't specialize in a single aspect of magic. The control it in it's totallity. Hybrid is perfect for this because they are NOT like the empire who only cast fire or life or whatever. They can do it all and a caster class SHOULD do it all.

That's my opinion of course.

[Delbeath]

Now this I don't get. Unlike empire (the apprentices of magic, if you wish), the high elves (masters of magic) don't specialize in a single aspect of magic. The control it in it's totallity. Hybrid is perfect for this because they are NOT like the empire who only cast fire or life or whatever. They can do it all and a caster class SHOULD do it all.

That's my opinion of course.

I am with you that they should not specialize in schools of magic. But I want to spread out the use of magic itself over the careers: give more than one career some magical abilities, or make most/every career a hybrid one (say, a melee + utility, a ranged + heal, a tank + x).

if only 2 out of 8 elven careers use magic, in what form whatsoever, and the rest just uses weapons to tank or to dps, I am personally quite unhappy :P

I would not mind if the magic user *might be able* to do it all, but I am more concerned that in the end there is only one elven career that *has to* do it all (heal, buff/debuff, utility, ranged magic), as it is the only one capable of doing it all.

but it is just anticipation, wishful thinking, or worrying about the unknown ;)

[Nathar]

I am with you that they should not specialize in schools of magic. But I want to spread out the use of magic itself over the careers: give more than one career some magical abilities, or make most/every career a hybrid one (say, a melee + utility, a ranged + heal, a tank + x).

if only 2 out of 8 elven careers use magic, in what form whatsoever, and the rest just uses weapons to tank or to dps, I am personally quite unhappy :P

I would not mind if the magic user *might be able* to do it all, but I am more concerned that in the end there is only one elven career that *has to* do it all (heal, buff/debuff, utility, ranged magic), as it is the only one capable of doing it all.

Opinions seperate us all:D

but it is just anticipation, wishful thinking, or worrying about the unknown ;)

Hard to agree more!

[Mirander]

Sorry, but Mythic, either Jeff or Paul said there will be only 1 mounted unit on each side..that being chosen and KotBS

I've seen people say that a couple of times before, but does anyone happen to have some sort of official source for that? Depending on how you interpret that statement, it can sound a little rediculous.

[Nathar]

I've seen people say that a couple of times before, but does anyone happen to have some sort of official source for that? Depending on how you interpret that statement, it can sound a little rediculous.

It was said in a Q&A of some event they held. That said I (and some others) still believe they said that about currently displayed careers. I don't think there's any way they would have said "There's 4 but pretend you didn't hear more then two because we can't tell you". They HAD to say 2, even if there was mounted fighters amongst elves or if there isn't.

I still believe in cold one knights and dragon princes as tanks.

[Mirander]

It was said in a Q&A of some event they held. That said I (and some others) still believe they said that about currently displayed careers. I don't think there's any way they would have said "There's 4 but pretend you didn't hear more then two because we can't tell you". They HAD to say 2, even if there was mounted fighters amongst elves or if there isn't.

I still believe in cold one knights and dragon princes as tanks.

Oh, that's what you mean. :D

I wouldn't be surprised to see only the Knight and the Chosen having movesets that are based on being mounted. I thought at first that you meant that only two classes would be capable of sitting on a mount.

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Responding to ancient post:
Thing is, though, if one wants to play a high elf mage, one will generally not turn back because of the career name - I mean, seriously, mere humans at the level of Asuryan Archmages? Or, gods forbid, Loremasters or High Mages? No. Either Mage or Apprentice thereof, I hope.
Not that I'll be playing the game.

[Gaazruk]

This is what I see happening...

Tank: Lothern Sea Guard
Melee DPS: Swordmaster of Hoeth
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Support/Hybrid: Mage

[Gemini]

What I think we'll get:
White Lion
Swordmaster
Shadow Warrior
Mage

What I want:
Sea Guard
Loremaster
Shadow Warrior
Mage

[Thalion]

Swordmaster, Shadow Warrior and High-Mages... and a tank class

[TimmyMWD]

What it will probably be:

High Mage
Shadow Warrior
Swordmaster or White Lion for melee dps
Not sure about tanking class, perhaps a Sea Guard or maybe some on foot version of the Silverhelm/noble.

You can probably discount Loremasters, since they are very rare and generally the leaders in the Tower of Hoeth. Mages and Swordmasters are the ones that are seen more widely throughout Ulthuan. Also, I doubt the Swordmaster will be a tank, as the only weapon they ever wield is their ceremonial greatsword, and the fluff talks about them using it so fast you can have your head sliced off without ever seeing it coming. It will either be that or the White Lion for melee dps I'm certain. Tank is more a mystery.

TimmyMWD
Owner; Asur.org.uk

[Ken]

I'd really like to see a Swordmaster.

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/12192006_01.jpg

[wellsy]

You can probably discount Loremasters, since they are very rare and generally the leaders in the Tower of Hoeth. Mages and Swordmasters are the ones that are seen more widely throughout Ulthuan. Also, I doubt the Swordmaster will be a tank, as the only weapon they ever wield is their ceremonial greatsword, and the fluff talks about them using it so fast you can have your head sliced off without ever seeing it coming. It will either be that or the White Lion for melee dps I'm certain. Tank is more a mystery.

I wouldn't be so sure on the Loremaster count. Given that they are rare, it also has an interesting gimmick (I'll cut off your head and disintegrate your body before the head hits the ground!), and as was previously said, displays the supreme magically prowess of the Elves.

As for the Swordmaster count not being the Tank... well, says who the High Elves need a traditional tank? Elves are supposed to be light and fast, so they should go with that in every sense of the word. Instead of just sitting there and taking it, Elves should be in motion, parrying and blocking before striking their foes down with grace (and ease :cool:). Whether the Swordmaster or Loremaster gets in (it'll be one or the other), I'd say they'd both be cool DPS/Tanks, because they buck the trend of sitting still and taking it.

[Thoden Firehammer]

I'd like to see Swordmasters for the role of melee dps for the elves(although I like the white lions too) .. but in anycase I want em in due to thefact that we Dwarfs have hammerers!, and even though we're allied, i've always wanted to show a Sword master that he picked up the wrong weapons XD

but really I like em both, but i'd personaly prefer the lion becuase of the axes

[Fruitpunch]

Tank: Silver Helm
Melee DPS: White Lion
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Caster/Hybrid: Arch Mage

[Saerain]

I wouldn't be surprised if we got the Sea Guard (or something newly conceived) as a 'tank', but I hope for the Swordmaster, Shadow Warrior, and Arch Mage. They are so compelling that I don't think we can do without them.

As with the Dark Elves, I am expecting the healing class to be someting new, because there is just no precadent for one as the army stands. I have seen people assume it would be the Arch Mage's domain, but honestly I think the Arch Mage, like the Sorcerer, would have enough to do already without worrying about healing as well.

Of course it has been said there will be no dedicated healing classes, but I'd say the Rune Priest, Shaman, Priest of Sigmar, and Zealot come half way in a manner that I don't expect the Arch Mage or Sorcerer would.

[Estebar]

Swordmaster - Tank
White Lion - Melee DPS
Shadow Warrior - Ranged DPS
Mage - Healing/Support

I'd be very satisfied with this combination.

[roadkizzle]

Well, I'd be satisfied with

White Lion or Sea Guard - Tank
Swormaster - Melee DPS
Shadow Warrior - Ranged DPS
Mage - Healing/Support

Mainly because I'd like to play swordmasters, but only as a main damage dealer,

[Dracnye]

Personally I'd like to see:

Tank: Swordsmaster
Melee DPS: White Lion
Ranged DPS: Shadow Warrior
Caster/Hybrid: Arch Mage

Same, I think that will be the actually combination, except I think the Arch Mage will just be called Mage, as an Archmage is just a high ranking mage. And they will most likely be Caster/Support.