Shadow Warrior, In Action!

[Zeetchmen]

In this video near the end,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E

Thar be a shadow warrior!

Found this for all who don't know what they look like or how they fight 8-)

[badkarma]

he's not really in action - he drags a WP around, and then gets smooshed.

[Spleen]

he's not really in action - he drags a WP around, and then gets smooshed.

After slaughtering some Chaos warriors?

[The Elfologist]

Isn't that a movie from a different game?

[Evenvarg]

yes from the game called mark of chaos...

[Illya]

The fact that the video is called Mark of Chaos would also be a major hint.

[Ken]

The opening videos in the Warhammer RTS games (from Dawn of War and on) are pretty good.

But Mark of Chaos itself felt so lacking... It was fun, but they really had to dump a lot of cool stuff. It feels very half-finished.

I'm definitely going to start as Destruction, but when I try out Order later down the line, and if Shadow Warriors do in fact make it in (which they most likely will), they'll be near the top of my Order alt list.

[Bellurdan]

seems a TAD ridiculous in that video with everyone wearing all those tonnes of armor but still everyone getting oneshotted by someone, seems those tonnes of armor give no protection whatsoever...

[ODDBALL]

seems a TAD ridiculous in that video with everyone wearing all those tonnes of armor but still everyone getting oneshotted by someone, seems those tonnes of armor give no protection whatsoever...

Those chaos warriors were killed because he shot them and stabbed then through the eye grooves in thier helmets.

[Ken]

Or in between openings in the armor.

Like that soldier that landed on the ground, then stabbed upward at the very bottom of the chaos warrior's breastplate.

That's sum skillz.

[Bellurdan]

yes especially the one shot from behind!
also, they die like flies to being poked by the WP's hammer. the Empire soldiers, even if less formidably armored, get one shotted around the place by Chaos guys. they might as well just go into battle naked.

[Nathar]

First off, I was always under the impression that that guy is a Waywatcher and not a shadowwarrior.

Secondly when taking a hit from a huge hammer or swords of those sizes you don't just get back up. I don't care how big your armor is, you'll get hurt from such things. Besides it's a trailer to get people interested not a documentary on realistic fighting between elves and monstrous mutants.

[Linkusmax]

Its an Trailer not an MMO, amazingly when you stab someone in the head or cut their arms off they tend to get incapacitated.

Thats a Shadow warrior, way watchers don't wear metal armour and the High Elves are one of the main races in MoC

[Watcher]

First off, I was always under the impression that that guy is a Waywatcher and not a shadowwarrior.

I'm pretty sure he is a Waywatcher.

[Linkusmax]

I'm pretty sure he is a Waywatcher.

Hes's wwearing metallic armour, way watchers don't. Hes good in combat, way watchers aren't. Theres no wood elves in Mark of Chaos.

I don't think he's a way watcher

[Watcher]

My apologies, I missed your above post.

As for the armour inconsistencies - I put them down to videogames butchering fluff like they do.

Last time I ever agree with Nathar ;)

[Nathar]

Hes's wwearing metallic armour, way watchers don't. Hes good in combat, way watchers aren't. Theres no wood elves in Mark of Chaos.

I don't think he's a way watcher

I'm not saying "I'm right, deal" just going to state my reasons for believing what I do. Your two points seem to be armor, melee and in-game armies. Armor: Could have been changed to make him look awesome. In-game: wood elves might not be in but it's still the warhammer world. Melee skills: They're elves! Elves can fight with them little swords, it's what they do. He was there to try and save the warrior priest, shooting might've killed warriors but it wouldn't have gotten him close to the priest.

Now what initialy made me think it. They're in a forest.. humans marching, patrolling in the forest. This made me think that it was probably the old world. The elf was alone, if the elf was in their own natural habitat (Athel Loren or Nagaryther) there'd be more of them, so I figured it was in the old world a bit away from Athel Loren. Shadow warriors don't strike me as old world-tourists. So in conclusion I figured it was in the old world and because of that a waywatcher.

Anyway, you might be right.

P.S. May we never agree again Watcher:D

[Linkusmax]

Well in Mark of Chaos The High Elves are fighting allied with the empire in the old world. additionaly Shadow Warriors are the most likely to be seen outside of ulthuan.

Also the Wood Elves don't like the empire, they probably would have let the WP die and used him as a distraction to kill more chaos warriors.

But then, your entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Plus your reasoning is plausible.

[Nathar]

Well in Mark of Chaos The High Elves are fighting allied with the empire in the old world. additionaly Shadow Warriors are the most likely to be seen outside of ulthuan.
Also the Wood Elves don't like the empire, they probably would have let the WP die and used him as a distraction to kill more chaos warriors.

But then, your entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Plus your reasoning is plausible.

Now this part changes everything in my theory. I thought they were about as happy about their own lands (Nagarythe) as Shades are with living in their highlands. This assumption was clearly not true.

It probably is a shadow warrior after all, they're cooler anyhow:D

[Afka]

yes especially the one shot from behind!
also, they die like flies to being poked by the WP's hammer. the Empire soldiers, even if less formidably armored, get one shotted around the place by Chaos guys. they might as well just go into battle naked.
hammers crush steel
armor and breastplates were in general steel or some other metal

hammer + breastplate = breast dsnfajksa dnfasdlfjasdffsla ehbge geuwgw;qr inside your chest.

I hope I was able to get my message through.

[Tyr]

He's a Shaodw Warrior for sure.

"Choosing the enemies, they needed to represent the Warhammer world as authentically as possible. There was the bloodthirsty god of Chaos, Khorne, the lone High Elf shadow warrior, and some Goblins, but they didn’t feature much in the final film."

From a short "making of" article. (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3659&referer=newsletter)

[Lynx]

It's neither a Shadow Warrior, a High Elf or a Wood Elf. All three cases do not wear metallic armor.

That is a Human Ranger. He is wearing Imperial Style Armor.

And btw, Shadow Warriors wear Black and Grey.

- Lynx :bwolves:

[Vaelyx]

Whether he was a Shadow Warrior or a Waywatcher it doestn' matter. That video would have been way cooler if they had a Wardancer in there! :cool:

<waiting to play a Wardancer in an MMO since 96'>

[Vikingkingq]

It's neither a Shadow Warrior, a High Elf or a Wood Elf. All three cases do not wear metallic armor.

That is a Human Ranger. He is wearing Imperial Style Armor.

And btw, Shadow Warriors wear Black and Grey.

- Lynx :bwolves:

Um, no. Shadow Warriors wear metallic armor:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/12/

[Lynx]

Those are the new ones i suppose. Since way back Shadow Warriors never wore metallic armor, it was always an upgrade option.

The lore clearly states that Shadowlanders prefer Leather Armor and Jerkins because they are more durable and easier to maintain.

My point still stands. The Ranger in the video is wearing imperial style armor and the new High Elf Shadow Warriors are wearing ithilmir.

- Lynx :bwolves:

[Ilairon]

He's a Shadow Warrior for sure.

"Choosing the enemies, they needed to represent the Warhammer world as authentically as possible. There was the bloodthirsty god of Chaos, Khorne, the lone High Elf shadow warrior, and some Goblins, but they didn’t feature much in the final film."

From a short "making of" article. (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3659&referer=newsletter)

It's neither a Shadow Warrior, a High Elf or a Wood Elf. All three cases do not wear metallic armor.

That is a Human Ranger. He is wearing Imperial Style Armor.

And btw, Shadow Warriors wear Black and Grey.

- Lynx :bwolves:

Those are the new ones i suppose. Since way back Shadow Warriors never wore metallic armor, it was always an upgrade option.

The lore clearly states that Shadowlanders prefer Leather Armor and Jerkins because they are more durable and easier to maintain.

My point still stands. The Ranger in the video is wearing imperial style armor and the new High Elf Shadow Warriors are wearing ithilmir.

- Lynx :bwolves:

Lynx, did you happen to miss Tyr's post where he quoted the cinematic developers? I wouldn't argue with them when it comes to the interpretation of their design.

[Willstar]

Let it lie Il. If Lynx wants to believe that she knows it better than the people who made the movie, fine and dandy.

However, what you might not understand is that games, movies and other off-branches of the main GW Industry do not tend to follow lore all that narrowly. And, even though earlier the shadow warriors were without armour, the miniatures have scalemail/ringmail, not too sure which anymore, now. There's just not changing it.

Long story short, the old miniatures are just that. Old. The new miniatures are what movies will be based off of. Deal with it. (Though personally I also prefer leather armour.)

[Ilairon]

Which is why I like Shades so much better than Shadow Warriors. Except for Alith Anar, but that's only because he's a beast even though he's a pansy High Elf.

[Lynx]

Well the thing is if you have been playing High Elves for as long as i have. (Not that long, but a decade atleast) You remember all the lore, even from way back.

There is a rule with these things, the most recent published works by GW are canon. 5 years ago High Elves had normal eyes and Shadow Warriors wore leather only. That was canon then and now that there is new material there is new canon and i'm wrong.

Shadow Warriors in Green Cloaks and wearing Imperial Armor, what is the old world coming too.. oh wait... i just realized it was the age of reckoning.

- Lynx :bwolves:

Talking about the good old days...

[Ashnari Doomsong]

Tell me 'bout it. All this new-fangled popularizing nonsense is so dreadfully dull.

[Vikingkingq]

Well the thing is if you have been playing High Elves for as long as i have. (Not that long, but a decade atleast) You remember all the lore, even from way back.

There is a rule with these things, the most recent published works by GW are canon. 5 years ago High Elves had normal eyes and Shadow Warriors wore leather only. That was canon then and now that there is new material there is new canon and i'm wrong.

Shadow Warriors in Green Cloaks and wearing Imperial Armor, what is the old world coming too.. oh wait... i just realized it was the age of reckoning.

- Lynx :bwolves:

Talking about the good old days...

5 years ago maybe. But now Shadow Warriors wear chainmail jerkins, with an upper-chest of plate, which is clearly visually different from the plate being worn by Empire. And since when is Green not a color you can paint your Shadow Warrior miniatures:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/highelves/here-be-dragons/images/shadowwarriors-lg.jpg

[Lynx]

:o What is Warhammer coming to? Green Shadow Warriors? GREEN Shadow Warriors???

Shadow Warriors....

I'm becoming really disenchanted with this lore butchering.

Shadow Warriors NEVER wore green because alas, the Shadowland and Naggaroth isn't green. It's grey, burnt and desolate. No trees and happy squirrels.

Damn you gaming industry for destroying my favorite unit.

Wood Elves are green... not shadow warriors...

- Lynx :bwolves:

Leading the revolution against new fangled lore!

[Vikingkingq]

:o What is Warhammer coming to? Green Shadow Warriors? GREEN Shadow Warriors???

Shadow Warriors....

I'm becoming really disenchanted with this lore butchering.

Shadow Warriors NEVER wore green because alas, the Shadowland and Naggaroth isn't green. It's grey, burnt and desolate. No trees and happy squirrels.

Damn you gaming industry for destroying my favorite unit.

Wood Elves are green... not shadow warriors...

- Lynx :bwolves:

Leading the revolution against new fangled lore!

And Shadow Warriors sent to fight in the Empire wouldn't choose to shift their camouflage?

[GrandOne]

Nah, it has to be either Glade Guard or Waywatcher

decked in all green, with only a hood to protect head, mask to cover the face, in a middle of a forest, alone, in the Old World

As far as I know, Shadow warriors wear helmets and no mask

[Ilairon]

Is this a logic-free zone? :confused:

[Vikingkingq]

Nah, it has to be either Glade Guard or Waywatcher

decked in all green, with only a hood to protect head, mask to cover the face, in a middle of a forest, alone, in the Old World

As far as I know, Shadow warriors wear helmets and no mask

http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/12/

Note the model on the far left?

[Nathar]

I don't get it. How can the dev saying "That is a shadow warrior" not convince you all?! That's just being too stubborn!

[GrandOne]

http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/12/

Note the model on the far left?

Now that, allmost looks like the elf in the video :rolleyes:
Face it, HE was playable, but there is no mistake that the elf in the vid was WE, yeah I know the developers said, tell me, what warrior elf travels alone in the old world and defends humans in there?
None, unless it's a Wood Elf

And Slayers are playable in WAR :rolleyes:

Oh, and shadow warriors wear helmets, did I mention that

Edit: And metallic armor?
Glade guards AND waywatcheers wear metal
No, they don't wear fullmetal armor, but breastplates and such

[Nerothos]

Shadow Warriors with green cloaks is perfectly acceptable. I mean, yes, they're angry and gritty, but they're also scouts and skirmishers. You can't ambush an enemy when you stick out like a sore thumb.

As for the cinematic, I think it's a Shadow Warrior too. High Elves have far more likely bonds with the Empire than the Wood Elves. Most Wood Elves would still shoot the Warrior Priest as fast as they would the Chaos Warriors.

[Hoomberdang]

Also, it doesn't look anything like a Wood Elf. Wood Elves wear feral, patched together garments of bark and leather which has a sort of savage look to it.

The Elf in the video was wearing a cleanly made cloak with shiny silver armour underneath. Definately not Wood Elf garb.

Edit: what? You claim that waywatchers wear metal? This is madness!

[Lynx]

I once had a full 20 man Wood Elf Archer unit get smashed by some Chaos Warriors. I only realized they were there until they could charge. It wasn't a pretty sight.

It was like watching one of those decked out Catachan squads in the open get blown away by 10 dug in Space Marines.

A Game Developer can say thats a Shadow Warrior all he likes but i'll never except it.

On the flip side there is no way it could be a Wood Elf. Wood Elves for one help nobody, not even the High Elves. They are barbaric insane Elves who smoked too many leaves in their long lives.

I don't think any Elf would risk their life for the lesser races like that Shadow Warrior did. It's stupid how a Game studio makes a crappy movie and GW let it slide so the Studio doesn't need to make another one. (The director could have done some research or gotten in some help and advice)

- Lynx :bwolves:

[Azyrn]

Well in Mark of Chaos The High Elves are fighting allied with the empire in the old world. additionaly Shadow Warriors are the most likely to be seen outside of ulthuan.

Also the Wood Elves don't like the empire, they probably would have let the WP die and used him as a distraction to kill more chaos warriors.

But then, your entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. Plus your reasoning is plausible.Pretty dead on. I also agree it is a Shadow Warrior but at first i thought it was a waywatcher the first time i saw the video.

[Zeetchmen]

Wow, my thread turned into one hell of a discussion :shock:

[Nathar]

Now that, allmost looks like the elf in the video :rolleyes:
Face it, HE was playable, but there is no mistake that the elf in the vid was WE, yeah I know the developers said, tell me, what warrior elf travels alone in the old world and defends humans in there?
None, unless it's a Wood Elf


Hehe, it's funny to see my arguing against my old arguments. Anyway, no wood elf would ever, EVER bother helping an empire priest or soldier. They hate them just as much as chaos. Shadow warriors are the most likely elves to EVER see anywhere out of Ulthuan. They travel more then all other elves.

And during an alliance between elves and men. It's quite likely actually! And him travelling alone? You don't know that. He was just scouting alone.

[Konrad Siegesruf]

And he died alone(Okay, except he was carrying a warrior priest which he threw away from him)...

[Nathar]

And he died alone(Okay, except he was carrying a warrior priest which he threw away from him)...

In battle, you always die alone! Every single one of the empire soldiers died alone. I seriously doubt they would've felt any safer then that elf did!

[Vikingkingq]

And he died alone(Okay, except he was carrying a warrior priest which he threw away from him)...

Technically, we didn't see him die.

[Kopesh]

Ok, here are three arguments for that elf being a Shadow Warrior:

1. He looks like a Shadow Warrior.

2. There are High Elves in the game, but no Wood Elves.

3. The developers have said that the elf in the video is a Shadow Warrior.

Let's leave it at that.

[versuvius]

isnt a shadow warrior dark elves? if not correct this assumption but i always thought it was a ranger

[GrandOne]

isnt a shadow warrior dark elves? if not correct this assumption but i always thought it was a ranger

No, Shadow warrior is a High Elf

[Eltair Shadowblade]

yep its a high elf shadow warrior, the makers said that it it was an shadow warrior ffs lol.

isnt a shadow warrior dark elves? if not correct this assumption but i always thought it was a ranger
nah, dark elves have shades.
pretty similar, but shades have (repeater?)crossbows

[Vikingkingq]

isnt a shadow warrior dark elves? if not correct this assumption but i always thought it was a ranger

Shadow Warriors are High Elves, who live in the Shadowlands (formerly Nagarythe).

Dark Elf ranged scouts are called Shades, and use repeating crossbows only.

No such thing as a ranger in Warhammer.

[versuvius]

Im not thinking of a specific class as a ranger. I mean ranger as in some dude who kills chaos at the border lands...self imposed as it were

[Kopesh]

isnt a shadow warrior dark elves? if not correct this assumption but i always thought it was a ranger

Well, let's put it this way: The Dark Elves once lived on Ulthuan in the region called Nagarythe. Most of the elves who lived there turned on their fellow elves and started a civil war, but some remained loyal to the High Elves and fought the Dark Elves. Many of loyal elves who lived in Nagarythe and their descendants became rangers that guard against Dark Elf invasions, and they are called Shadow Warriors.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Shadow Warriors are High Elves, who live in the Shadowlands (formerly Nagarythe).

Dark Elf ranged scouts are called Shades, and use repeating crossbows only.

No such thing as a ranger in Warhammer.
There are Dwarfen Rangers :P

[Vikingkingq]

There are Dwarfen Rangers :P

...Dwarfs don't count.

Just kidding, you're right. But a Dwarf Ranger is very different from a typical fantasy ranger.

[Axxar]

Apart from the fact that they obviously dual wield and have darker skin than normal dwarfs.

[Pendrako]

So we're agreed. It's a Night Elf hunter.



What? :p

[kizen]

If it is anything like a WoW hunter i'm going to convert to a druchii o.O

[Grymjack]

And Shadow Warriors sent to fight in the Empire wouldn't choose to shift their camouflage?

Damn beat me to it. :D

[Hampus]

Doesn't matter what career it was, I liked the video.

I think it's a way... Way... Waywhatever.

[Silvaeris]

About half of the threads on this forum seem to consist of people trying to convince other people with their indisputable LOGIC that a model seen somewhere, be it in game or cinematic or podcast or Paul's blog, is DEFINITELY a member of certain class, or not. And this discussion lingers for on and on, with people finding more and more elaborate ways of proving their thesis.

People here are insane :mrgreen:

[Lord_crapalot]

He's a shadow warrior, he's cool. He can wear ANYTHING he wants, because he's cool.

[MalakLP]

Facial Expressions i had during the movie....
AH, i was like yeah, kick their WP!! woo hoo... he got knocked out cold...:(. Then the shadow warrior saves him:o, i go "NICE SHOT!" . Man, i might have to make one of those if they are playable;). Bloodthirster lands, oh god...:neutral:. Wait a second..the WP..hes getting up! :eek: AH hes calling on sigmar for help, :D. Psh, and i was worried? :rolleyes:. Kill and look cool, the real story behind the WP and Shadow Warriors! :cool:


Alright, time to be serious.
3:10 in the video

Its a shadow warrior. I should not have to explain anything other then 3:10.

Edit: Hes wearing green? Really? I do not see any green, maybe its just the fog thats blinding my vision but I am pretty sure i see a gray tunic underneath his armor, and his hood looks even grayer then that. 3:21 in video

[JediMindTrikZ]

Whos that dragon at the end? Leader of chaos?

[Krulltak]

Whos that dragon at the end? Leader of chaos?

It's not a dragon. It's a Bloodthirster, the greater daemon of Khorne, one of the four major Chaos Gods.

Khorne is the Chaos god of blood and war. His warriors shout one of the most well-known quotes of all GW related material.

"Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!"

[Veilside]

"Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!"

Boobs for the boob god :rolleyes:

I don't see why any of you are even bothering to argue about the video, if the devs are saying that's a shadow warrior then that's what it is.

[Barundin162]

Hes's wwearing metallic armour, way watchers don't. Hes good in combat, way watchers aren't. Theres no wood elves in Mark of Chaos.

I don't think he's a way watcher

Actually a waywatcher is good in Close Combat, on TT he has 2 Clost Combat Weapons (short swords I believe) and a WS of 4, whitch is above average. Waywatchers arent just known for thier awesome Bow Skills, but also amushing with Close Combat as well.

All being said, I believe it is an elf, not an imperial scout, by the way his body looks and the way he moves (not very human style combat, more elf) so I say Shadow Warrior myself, as a Way Watcher couldnt get 2 hoots what is going on way up there on the border of the Northern Empire (where the scene takes place in my opinion)

[Eredhel]

The guys who did the video said themselves it's a Shadow Warrior. nuff said.

[Bel-Korhadris]

No such thing as a ranger in Warhammer.

Except the Elf Ranger from Warhammer Quest.

http://members.fortunecity.com/arrch/wqfaq/wq_faq_warriors.html

[Vikingkingq]

Except the Elf Ranger from Warhammer Quest.

http://members.fortunecity.com/arrch/wqfaq/wq_faq_warriors.html

Dunno if that would count anymore, given that the supporting description seems to come from some early, now-outdated version of the Lore: " Neither High Elf or Wood Elf, the Elf ranger belongs to a noble cast of Elf known as the Dispossessed who can be found in many of the great cities of the Old World. Seeking lost treasures of the Elves so that his kind might return in triumph to Ulthuan, the Elf Ranger finds himself in the dungeons of the Worlds Edge Mountains."

[Bloodboil]

that WP is the cinematic is gonna die lol

a single warrior priest vs bloodthirster

haha RIP

[Lucrece]

that WP is the cinematic is gonna die lol

a single warrior priest vs bloodthirster

haha RIP

He seemed to attain divine intervention just at the end, though. We know what happens when a living saint comes into the fray.

[Krulltak]

He seemed to attain divine intervention just at the end, though. We know what happens when a living saint comes into the fray.


Nope. It's not as if Divine Intervention was a common thing. Just because someone is glowing all flashy like that does not in any way signify that they're under the possession of a God/Daemon.

[Lucrece]

Nope. It's not as if Divine Intervention was a common thing. Just because someone is glowing all flashy like that does not in any way signify that they're under the possession of a God/Daemon.

I guess, perhaps I was too taken by the flashy animations. I just thought that the average WP's abilities would not be as flashy.

[YajoojMajooj]

The OP is right in the video that is shadow warrior ..... here are teh concept art of shadow warrior in mark of chaos both for the game and the video and plz wood elves arent even in the game why would a way watcher be there????

enjoy the images
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=2645&c=6 (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/../gallery/showimage.php?i=2645&c=6)

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=2644&c=6 (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/../gallery/showimage.php?i=2644&c=6)

[Zeetchmen]

The OP is right in the video that is shadow warrior ..... here are teh concept art of shadow warrior in mark of chaos both for the game and the video and plz wood elves arent even in the game why would a way watcher be there????

enjoy the images
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=2645&c=6 (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/../gallery/showimage.php?i=2645&c=6)

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=2644&c=6


Ohh, cool art :cool:

[rambo710]

very nice drawings
did u do them yourself? What media?

[Eltair Shadowblade]

very nice drawings
did u do them yourself? What media?
There from the game mark of chaos:p

[krogg]

I know this is an old thread... but holy cow that was entertaining! Goes to show you can argue anything in this world. Even facts. :)

[Zeetchmen]

I know this is an old thread... but holy cow that was entertaining! Goes to show you can argue anything in this world. Even facts. :)

Oh come on its not that old :lol:

[Mercer7]

Well if you're willing to carry that dead horse around, I'll kick it.


What the heck is this thread supposed to be about?