Will Witch Elves be a playable class?

[kharnage]

Do you think WE will be a playable class? And why?

I think they will be.

Why?

#1. Witch Elves are the best representation of Dark Elves, and also one of the most iconic characters in all of Warhammer.

#2. Slayers were ruled out because they seek death and Mythic felt that would be hard to portray in the game. I don't see Mythic saying, "Bloodthirsty women who live only to kill in the name of Khaine - how can we make this fit in WAR?" Witch Elves were MADE for WAR!!

#3. Like above, WE would be easy to implement without changing any of the lore. They would totally fit into the DPS slot right from the TT.

#4. They would add a lot to the game in the terms of background and mood. Mythic and GW want a Warhammer MMORPG, not just a fantasy MMORPG. Including one of the most bloodthirsty killers in the Warhammer world would aid in that immensly.

There aren't too many points against allowing WE.

#1. One is the single sex. Some people have issues with a class that can only be a single sex. However, I believe that Mythic has already said that the Chosen won't be the only single sex character in the game, and it doesn't make sense to have a male only class amongst the DE and he. The only single sex class that makes sense is WE (sorcerers have already been said to be in the game).

#2. Modesty. Some people havr problems with the way WE look. Some want to change them so they dress modestly. Mythic has already said that WE would be more D&D in appearance (paraphrasing) and not like the Witch Elves in most of the WH lore (Not like the WE in the trailer). Mythic/GW may feel that if the WE can't be done right (voluptuous and lightly dressed) then they shouldn’t do them at all (like female chosen).

#3. Finally, some people might get offended by the WE.

Of the above three, I think #2 is the most likely if WE aren't allowed.


Over all, the positives far outwiegh the negatives.

But I guess we have to wait and see what Mythic thinks:p

[Estebar]

Even I voted yes, because it's the easier way out for the devs if developing the Elves is difficult for them.

Like Kharnage said, it's all served out on a silver platter for them already, with no real challenge.

But then, the devs have already proven that they're up for a challenge.

But, to play on the safe side, and because it's the easier, more predictable option, (and because I happen to like Witch Elves and wouldn't mind playing one,) I voted yes.

I could contest with a few of the points you made Kharnage, but I won't bother right now. There are enough debates on this subject going on already. Let's keep this one as a poll with brief answers, shall we?

[havik110]

Okay since I basically feel that Khain and Khorn are each 1 side of the same coin, ill have to voe yes for witch elves and yell BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and hope that message makes it to Khaine...

[Nathar]

I'm afraid so. I'd prefer executioners because they look awesome. They are the most likely choice for dps though.

[Zoatibix]

I have no way of knowing if they will or not, so I haven't voted.

I would like them to be playable, of course.

[Lorik]

From the opening video, yes. She was up, she was dancin', she was a Witch Elf.

How they're going to go about it is what's going to be interesting. Warlock Elves too? :P

[Joeydevil]

If there was a spot for maybe, I would have gone that route. I don't think there will be though.

[Selendor]

Not in the way most people expect. ;)

[Xurré]

I voted “no”... just kidding. ;)

From what I understand there were two arguments against Slayers which got them excluded. You named one. But I think the far more important one, for Mythic, was that Slayers don’t wear any armor (or clothes) at all giving them a lot of problems with designing armor for them and showing them get more and more advanced as they level. Of course, though Witch Elves might dress skimpily, they do wear armor (even if it doesn’t protect them) and they do have a lot of variety in what they can wear.

And just to be fair there have been a few more points recently mentioned against Witch Elves.

One says that them using drugs to get into frenzy might be a problem for the Teen rating. Personally that is not how I understand the Teen rating to work (it seems to me it would be fine as a Teen rating with a content descriptor) and I think there’s some clear ways around it (you don’t see them “shoot up” or anything, they just swallow a potion which could be called “poisoned blood” or “herbs” or something... or just ignore the triggering mechanic altogether). But it’s only fair to list it I think.

And another point says that some seem to feel that frenzy itself has some problems. Some have mentioned that Choppas already have frenzy and that because of that another class shouldn’t get frenzy. Other have argued that frenzy wouldn’t be very easy to make interesting while still different from the abilities that are already there. Personally I think this is a very weak argument (and one I think has been disproven on a number of points), but again only fair to mention.

As to why I think Witch Elves will be in? Because I have faith in Mythic, faith that their view of Warhammer isn’t that widely different from my own. And dark elves without Witch Elves aren’t really dark elves at all to me (but little more than evil elves).


- Xurré

[Bulwyf]

I voted no.

I do not believe Mythic will compound the mistake they made with Chaos Chosen by having even more gender restricted (or asexual) races and classes. In point of fact I am hoping they will revisit the Chosen decision and change it.

[Gloovish]

OP said "sex". /giggles

but seriously, I don't have any problems with WE and them being a gender specific class. Someone from Mythic already said they expect a similar reaction to the Chosen's gender specificness every time the introduce a gender specific class which makes me even more convinced WE are in.

That said, they might be the DE healer instead of DPS. This would allow for more interesting mechanics and set them apart from the Chopa. It would also give Destruction a melee healer.

[Dalamar]

I voted no.

I do not believe Mythic will compound the mistake they made with Chaos Chosen by having even more gender restricted (or asexual) races and classes. In point of fact I am hoping they will revisit the Chosen decision and change it.

What mistake? there are no burly, huge, plate clad norsewomen. It's IP. Plate shaped for women on chaos warriors? Ever heard of Slaanesh mutations? ;)

[Selandri]

There are female Marauders, Warriors, Chosen etc etc etc ad infinitum. That is IP. Do they look tremendously feminine? One would doubt it. Chosen = attention of the Gods = mutated.

Case in point: Dechala.

Slaanesh mutations can be anything from the face of a daemonette stuck messily in place of your own ( The daemonette quite happily removes your own and takes it with her. ) to a tongue used in combat to ensnare and cause pain to your enemy.

Slaanesh is not the god of sex. Slaanesh does not entail female champions, hermaphrodite champions, champions with naughty mutations. All the Gods could do this and probably do but seeing as Chaos armour is stuck to the skin what they have going on under it is irrelevant.

I agree with pretty much everything Xurre said.

[Dalamar]

There are female Marauders, Warriors, Chosen etc etc etc ad infinitum. That is IP. Do they look tremendously feminine? One would doubt it. Chosen = attention of the Gods = mutated.

Norsemen are heavily tribal influenced society, where women are reduced to household jobs and raising children. Unless you can show otherwise. At least a TT miniature of female marauder.

Case in point: Dechala.

High Elven princess, not norsewoman

[Selandri]

I'll instead refer to the Chaos army book. Seeing as it's canon.

"Their gods call to them. Such gifted men and women are said to tread the path of the gods, and head in search of glory, power and, ultimately, immortality."

That paragraph is part of the fluff dealing with warriors to knights to champions to Lords of Chaos.

Dechala is merely a 'gender is irrelevant to the Chaos gods' thing rather than a 'big buff Nordic woman' reference. I apologize for not explaining thoroughly.

No WFRP Tome of Corruption Nordic career appears to be gender restricted, including Warrior of Chaos or Marauder (Which is what a Warrior of Chaos is prior to becoming a WoC)