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[Nunizillion]

This is pure speculation, but for the sake of argument... Do you think mythic might make the marauders male only too? have they said anything to the effect of 'there are/arn't female marauders?'

because technicaly the only 2 peices of concept art we have for the marauder are males. that isnt much evidence, but it could also mean they havn't designed female marauders.

please just speculation and polite discusion, id rather not have this turn into a "chosen should have been female!" ..."I dont think so"... "I'll kill you!" thread.

sorry if this has already been discussed in another thread.

[Gemini]

It's been discussed in all the Chosen male only threads. Since the main reason seems to be art, making a new model and all that, I don't think it will be a problem. Marauders will use the same shilloutte(sp?) as the the other chaos characters, so I would be surprised if there are male only Marauders. At least of account of art.

[Kuari]

Hard to say really... seems like every Chaos class uses a slightly different model if you look closely

[Gemini]

I'm pretty sure that goes against what they told us. Obviously the zealot is hunched over, and the magus is slightly disturbingly standing up very straight, while the marauder seems to be somewhere inbetween. However, they told us that with the exception of the chosen, they use the same base model. My knoweldge of the technology they are working with is... lacking is too light of a word. But whatever.

[Taurth]

Well, I'm not sure I'd be surprised if they did turn out to be male only, although I wouldn't be best pleased.

Thing is, it shouldn't be difficult to do, because as Gemini said, since the Marauder will be at least the same size as the other Chaos females so we won't have the same issue with the Chosen. It'll be really stupid if they announce Marauders as male only too though.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

They wouldn't announce Marauders as Male only if they were going to do it, they'd just be honest and say.

'We have decided that players will be male only.'

[Hatemonger]

Female Marauders will be as ugly as sin though. There's just very little in the way of "prettying" up that concept art. :p

[Kuari]

Female Marauders will be as ugly as sin though. There's just very little in the way of "prettying" up that concept art. :p

That shouldn't really be an issue, but unfortunately, probably is..

[Zeetchmen]

With the current state of the general WAR populace about the male-only Chosen, Im pretty sure they are makeing a female marauder :mrgreen:

[Ravana]

Due to the general population of Warhammer gamers being male, i dont think there should be female classes. Witch Elves, perhaps, but thats it.

1. Theres no place for a woman in the field of battle.
2. If there werent any females in the game, it'd free up more options and choices for men (no need for female clothing / appearances, etc)
3. Theres no such thing as female chaos. The only chaos females are dedicated to Slaanesh. Very, VERY VERY few women devote to the other chaos gods.

I'm mean, lets be frank here. Its not sexism, its just that there are very few women in warhammer battles! For one thing, its clearly stated in Empire Lore that they dont allow women to join the ranks of armies. Other races adopt the same principles , for one reason or another.

Khorne would consider women 'weak', and rather they do unspeakable things to give birth to daemon freaks.


Just a simple fact.

[Taurth]

Due to the general population of Warhammer gamers being male, i dont think there should be female classes. Witch Elves, perhaps, but thats it.

1. Theres no place for a woman in the field of battle.
2. If there werent any females in the game, it'd free up more options and choices for men (no need for female clothing / appearances, etc)
3. Theres no such thing as female chaos. The only chaos females are dedicated to Slaanesh. Very, VERY VERY few women devote to the other chaos gods.

I'm mean, lets be frank here. Its not sexism, its just that there are very few women in warhammer battles! For one thing, its clearly stated in Empire Lore that they dont allow women to join the ranks of armies. Other races adopt the same principles , for one reason or another.

Khorne would consider women 'weak', and rather they do unspeakable things to give birth to daemon freaks.


Just a simple fact.

I seriously hope you're joking, but judging by your other posts, I wouldn't be surprised if you were that stupid to believe that.

EDIT: I'd just like to address some of the points you made

There are woman devoted to Chaos, its in the lore. The Chaos Gods don't discriminate judging by gender.
Khorne doesn't consider woman weak, an example of this is a female Chosen of Khorne in one of the Gotrek and Felix books.And I'll quote Vikingkingq for the Empire statement, from another thread that you started saying basically the same thing as you did above; that you don't think there should be any female classes other than Elf classes (Which is basically really, really stupid):

The Empire has a long history of women fighting in battle, dating back to the Asoborns of Stirland, who were ruled by a warrior-queen Freya, and who sent in warriors of both genders to the Battle of Black Fire pass. Moreover, the particular units that the Empire is fielding do accept woman or have known been known to exclude them: Warrior Priests have their historical counterpart in the Sisters of Sigmar, the Bright Order accepts both men and women; the Knights of the Blazing Sun, as an order dedicated to a goddess, accept women; and there's no info either way on the Order of the Templars of Sigmar.

Sorry Ravana, its not "just a simple fact". You may be in the same guild as me but thats a really stupid mindset.

[Enkmar]

1. Theres no place for a woman in the field of battle.

My girlfriend would kick your if she heard that. ;p Seriously man, not to be arguementative, but your post sounds ignorant.

[arngrim]

What does it matter? Most women will flock towards the elf races for the most part anyway.

[Taurth]

God, why do some people have such idiotic views when it comes to female gamers?

I feel for you ladies sometimes... :?

[Danno]

I agree with Ravana im afraid, War has always been a man's game its just how it is. In real medieval times the woman made the food whalst the men conquered the land.
They are also most likely to be the first to call NERF when someone with a big sword dones massive damage, since they can't grasp how its done, cause... there woman. gota be harsh to be fair i know ;)

[Taurth]

I think some people are forgetting that Mythic are making a GAME. Its just stupid to think that Mythic is going to cut out almost half of their costumers by cutting out females from the game. (I know girls don't always play females, but the majority of people want to relate to their character, so cutting out females from a game would loose a lot of female customers in my opinion).

Also, theres quite a lot of examples of females fighting in the Warhammer world.

Female chaos followers (The Dark gods don't discriminate judging by sex, they're above that).
The Sisters of Sigmar.
KoTB's following a female God (So I doubt they wouldn't allow woman to join their order)
Plenty of female Elves.Just to name a few examples.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Alright i'm going only by the lore, so if you wish to flame me, than you beter be right
1.Chaos use Women
2.Empire..women ( I wasn't quite sure about the empire untill I read some lore on it)
3.High Elves...women
4. Dark Elves ... definilty
5. Dwarfs ... No they don't allow it ever!! .. why mythic why!!! (the one exception is the one Dwarf queen which is rare enough, LEAD a force of Dwarfs and she was the only one)
Dwarfs are very protectice of their women and for that the Dwarf women stay in the holds, thats why other races think that the Dwarfs just pop out of the rock or something becuase they never see the women
6. Greenskins Asexual

There that's the lore plain and simple, you might bring up the argument about Midevil europe... but please remember Europe in that time was not uder TOTAL WAR...(look up the definition)in the Warhammer world there are no prisoners only the dead or dieing.(except for Chaos Dwarfs and Dark Elves but they work their slaves to death anyway so it's like an extended life plan for dieing >.>)

[Sinfjotle]

Historically Joan of Arc.


Oh snap.

[RadioNinja]

Sun Tzu trained his Emperor's concubines to fight with polearms, I think. Also, there are women in the Kurdish fighting forces. Modern militaries have women in the ranks. Women served in WWII.

The US just has some hang-ups about putting women in to active combat because when they get captured, stories of their are pretty bad for morale and popular support for the war back home.

[Kimmie]

i dont know if they will be male only but the really look good. i doubt i will play one but if they made a goodlooking one a might. i love the whole idea about being able to mutate but i wont play it if its ugly.

[Thoden Firehammer]

i dont know if they will be male only but the really look good. i doubt i will play one but if they made a goodlooking one a might. i love the whole idea about being able to mutate but i wont play it if its ugly.

So you wont play one if it's a World of Warcraft chick in armor? i've seen your other posts and that's what led me to believe this.

[Temujin]

Due to the general population of Warhammer gamers being male, i dont think there should be female classes. Witch Elves, perhaps, but thats it.

1. Theres no place for a woman in the field of battle.
2. If there werent any females in the game, it'd free up more options and choices for men (no need for female clothing / appearances, etc)
3. Theres no such thing as female chaos. The only chaos females are dedicated to Slaanesh. Very, VERY VERY few women devote to the other chaos gods.

I'm mean, lets be frank here. Its not sexism, its just that there are very few women in warhammer battles! For one thing, its clearly stated in Empire Lore that they dont allow women to join the ranks of armies. Other races adopt the same principles , for one reason or another.

Khorne would consider women 'weak', and rather they do unspeakable things to give birth to daemon freaks.


Just a simple fact.

yes very good ,a very good point of view ..women's are for love ..and house busines ..and if they dream to be like a man ..they can play a chosen male ,or marauder male caracter ..just to see how it is to be in charge .ehahaheae

[AlienOverlord]

I'm not going to bother replying to some of the more insipid viewpoints about women, but I did want to say that I think it's getting likely that Mauraders will end up being male only.

We saw female designs in the other classes that had no gender-restrictions, but we haven't seen a single female Maurader design. I think the concept art could be a good gauge of this subject.

Why make a female concept art if there won't be that kind of character? And if you have the female concept art, why not show it?

I might be completely wrong of course, but it's just a thought.

[Dudds]

After seeing the new screenshots in the class description in the news letter I'd say the marauder was almost certainly male only.The bare-chestedness is the bit I can't say around, but if they do manage to put in female marauders kudos to Mythic, I'll be playing male though.

[Gemini]

Many of the zealot's don't wear shirts, and they did a fine job with them imo. Give them a small but not revealing top, done and done. As for wether the Marauder becomes male or female, after the 3d render(is not a screenshot), it would seem the marauder's are using the chosen's model, which means male only. Sure hope not though.

[illukar]

Wouldn't surprise me either way. May well come up against this "we don't want 'non-feminine' women" issue.

[Scarzar]

umm onistly i belive if anyone hates this game because some of the classes dont alow girls then i think u deserve to go to a different game cuz all they want to do is be "happy in the pants" wile playing WAR unless ur a lady then thats an expetion...

[Thoroar]

Judging by the dour view of the female sex portrayed by some of the less-intelligent people in this thread, I say we have a bunch of basement virgins who, after being spurned by every female in sight other than the girl on the porn site, are biased against women, and think that because they are male, they have some superiority and entitlement.

It almost makes me not want to play a Marauder, knowing that some of THESE people will be playing the same class as me.

HISTORY has nothing against women being fighters, in fact, some of the most crucial battles were decided because we men let our guard down around women, thinking they were below us, and then they struck. Why do you think Cleopatra's female palace guards fought topless? Because we men get distracted!

[Axxar]

I wouldn't be surprised if marauders turned out to be male only. Supposedly they come from the same stock as the chaos warriors. However there is the possibility that Mythic isn't interested in having two gender specific careers in the same army.

[Taurth]

My monies on the Marauder being male only, simply because they seem to share the same model as the Chosen.

I guess I'll be a little bit dissapointed if they aren't; Chaos seems like it'll be a sausage fest.

[Hatemonger]

Oh God, please don't tell me these are the people I'm going to be fighting beside with Chaos.

I may hate Dwarfs, but their community is looking awful good right now...

[Silenius]

Well curently there are really just anyones guess since they clearly arent done with chaos as it seams, still plenty of testing and nothing speaks against having female marauders lorewise, there are plenty of famous female chaos characters out there in the lore..

[The_Deadpool]

Well curently there are really just anyones guess since they clearly arent done with chaos as it seams, still plenty of testing and nothing speaks against having female marauders lorewise, there are plenty of famous female chaos characters out there in the lore..

The same could be said for the female Chosen, but we saw what they did with that idea.

For some reason, I think they're just trying to make Destruction undesirable to women, and that fact alone annoys the out of me.

[Hatemonger]

Well, let's be honest. Any woman who doesn't want to play a hulking boorish Black Orc, isn't a girl I want to play this game with.

;)

[kharnage]

Well, let's be honest. Any woman who doesn't want to play a hulking boorish Black Orc, isn't a girl I want to play this game with.

;)

:D Funny stuff!

I have no idea what they are going to do.

However, they seem to be focusing soley on the northerners, and not the other people that turn to chaos. They said (among other things) that Chosen were big burly norsemen, so that's how they were made. That would lead me to believe they may make marauders male only too.

While anyone can turn to chaos and be "blessed" be the chaos gods, it seems the men of the northern tribes are the ones who fight.

Of course, the same is true for humans and dwarfs too (with few exceptions), but that didn't stop them from making female versions of all the classes.

In the end, if Marauders are male only, it could come down to female models just didn't look right.

That's really what matters to me anyway. Stick to the lore (although I understand it must be twisted some to fit into the MMORPG) and make the best game possible. If female marauders don't look cool, don't have them in.

Hopefully they can find a way to get them in (if only to save me from the billion threads and polls complaining about it;))

[Okri]

I'm think I'm going with the "They're in, but they're ugly" approach to female Marauders. Thus there will be a naturally low number of them around, so all the chauvinists don't have to get all that worked up :rolleyes:
The same as Dwarfs, really. There probably won't be a whole lot of those, simply because they're not so damn attractive.

[Sparra]

I'm think I'm going with the "They're in, but they're ugly" approach to female Marauders. Thus there will be a naturally low number of them around, so all the chauvinists don't have to get all that worked up :rolleyes:
The same as Dwarfs, really. There probably won't be a whole lot of those, simply because they're not so damn attractive.

If Mythic can't get female Marauders in, then perhaps a month or two after launch, once the servers are stable and the kinks are being worked out, they could patch in female Marauders. True, it would be late, but better late then never I say... Besides, you could take this same approach towards female Chosen. Just my two cents.

[Baron Khaine]

Female Marauders would be a nice addition, won't really affect me as I intend to be playing a male marauder anyway. I do wonder though, since we've only been shown art and in game screenshots of male marauders whether Mythic's mind is made up, it's a bold move anyway if they make some classes male only, and they will probably be balancing this out with some female only classes for the Dark Elf (Witches are probably going to be female only).

[LookinGreen]

Even though everyone labeled this as a female chosen this is what I always pictured as a female marauder.

http://www.images.monkeytaskforce.com/war/ChosenGirl.jpg

Like most people I see no reason not to include but I wouldn't be disappointed if they were not included.

[Lavinnye]

I think it would be easier to maintain some femininity or even beauty in a female Marauder simply because
- They won't be completely utterly covered in armour, head and all
- They can still look somewhat normal before mutating right?
- Female freaks are often portrayed as pretty but with a twist, it's accepted, borderlining on attractive, and not that hard.

I'm a lil girly girl with very un-girly interests, and I for one would love to play a female marauder. I think a lot of girls would like to identify with the face and sex of their character, but that doesn't mean we want to identify with their insanity and quite strange interests! We're just like you. Well, in that respect.

I actually think the mutations may look even more sick and cool on a female avatar, and after all, many horror films have proven that actresses aren't any less attractive just because they changed into a grotesque beast right before the credits started rolling, it may remove some of the appeal for those guys who want to play a female character because they'd rather look at a nice female bottom than some guy's lower back (which are worth envying, right?) while playing, but there are more customers interested in playing female avatars than them

We girls don't always want to play females just because we like to be pretty, and cute, and feminine... We ARE those things, and we don't NEED to live that out in a game :rolleyes:

Personally, my reasons for choosing female avatars are:
- Guys, you treat each other like bantha poo-doo! Sometimes it's almost like teenage girl rivals who'd jab their fingernails into each other's faces if they could, but opt for rude comments in stead. I know it's for fun, or just a relaxed way of joking, but you could shock a li'l girl on her first online adventure with a male character, it doesn't make me want to play a male char when I know I may be spoken to so crudely, I don't know how to act around that.
- Seriously, if I have to make a male marauder, you'll know it's me when you meet the most tarty, un-macho guy you've ever met on some quest. One who collects robes. Yes. That bad. I think that ruins the Marauder feel more than some freaky female marauder characters could ever achieve.
- Male character models tend to not be very attractive. And then, what's the point? just asking...

Girl gamers are a numerous customer base. And not very organised..
You've met more than you can count while out questing without knowing it. I meet a lot of female gamers without really knowing it too. We don't make our own little groups or anything. We're everywhere. And we have male gamer friends. And lots of them, often. A lot of games tend to spend less money and development time on female avatars, and on stuff that would generally attract or keep the interest of the female player base. This tends to get noticed by us, and by word of mouth, this can harm these games, because our male gamer friends actually listens. It's not something we realise that we do, it's just reality. Just like how you'd definitely tell your friends if some game has the most sucky classes ever, and those friends may not be as interested in trying out the game after that.


Wow that's a stupid long post just for saying one thing X.x
Female marauders should be possible. Really, chosen females would have been possible too, if they'd looked more to for instance Valkyries, but.. it WOULD demand whole new sets of armour. I DO understand how it would be more trouble than it's worth. I'm not a feminist, I don't care that much about these things. But Marauder armour only needs some slight extra coverage, and they're set, really, the huge claws and stuff *will* look good on a female avatar, as long as that avatar is posed the right way, and the chaos women generally are, methinks.

I won't cry, but I'll be quite sad if i can't play a female Marauder. I think it would be awesome. It may not end up being the most played combination, but.. that only makes it more unique.

And there should be room for unique.

[Okri]

Somehow, I think we will be seeing people on RP-servers, roleplaying female Chosen anyhow, but never mind that for now.

And good points above.

EDIT: Oh, and also, about the whole "But we haven't seen any female artwork/screenshots of a female marauder yet". Well, Dwarfs were pretty far into development before we were shown the first screens of female Dwarfs.

[Thoden Firehammer]

I will say this once and I may have to say this a thousand more times, but Thoden becamse sad when they 1. allowed for female Dwarfs. 2. made the chaos have gender restricted classes.....

I mean come on you bend the lore where it doesn't need bending? /sigh

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Maybe they've just been mis-speaking for so long, and Chosen are male/female but Marauders are male only.

[Amarll]

Even though everyone labeled this as a female chosen this is what I always pictured as a female marauder.

http://www.images.monkeytaskforce.com/war/ChosenGirl.jpg

Like most people I see no reason not to include but I wouldn't be disappointed if they were not included.

Too much armor, a sword will have to go, I mean just make them look exactly like the marauders but with the female, stuff and a shirt to go over the bare chest. They will most likely be ugly if they are implemented into the game so they won't get any attention ANYWAYS.

[Okri]

Well, turns out that there are indeed not going to be any female Marauders... check the general forums for details, but apparently Marauding womenfolk are out.

[Sinfjotle]

I don't know what obscenities I can say without getting banned, so I'll go with the one I know is safe.

Dammit.

[Axxar]

I can see why the marauder isn't female. The Norscans aren't a very modern society in that way, but I feel it's getting a low on destruction melee careers that can be/look female. You pretty much have to be a dark elf at this point. I was hoping they'd cut corners with the marauder and come up with an excuse, like Tzeentch having planned the offensive for a long time and have blessed more women with his gifts of mutation, bolstering the ranks of the mutating marauders more than could be done with men alone.

[Taurth]

I can see why the marauder isn't female. The Norscans aren't a very modern society in that way, but I feel it's getting a low on destruction melee careers that can be/look female. You pretty much have to be a dark elf at this point. I was hoping they'd cut corners with the marauder and come up with an excuse, like Tzeentch having planned the offensive for a long time and have blessed more women with his gifts of mutation, bolstering the ranks of the mutating marauders more than could be done with men alone.

That argument just isn't valid when you consider that Dwarf females have been included in the game, not much else to say.

[Axxar]

That's true for order, but not for destruction, which I was speaking of.

[DrainBamaged]

I believe Mythic stated somewhere that there won't be female marauder. Stupid in my opinion.

[Elesarana]

*wave* I'm a girl myself and well, even if they don't make a female Marauder I'm still gonna play it. Why the hell do I have to be a female character to be a female player... I know who I am and nothing can change that.

[Okri]

*wave* I'm a girl myself and well, even if they don't make a female Marauder I'm still gonna play it. Why the hell do I have to be a female character to be a female player... I know who I am and nothing can change that.

Good for you. Still, there are some who would like the option to actually play female Marauder (For roleplayin reasons). This is slightly harder with the Marauder than with the Chosen, as the Chosen is covered completely in armor so it might as well be woman in there.
The Marauder is primarily bare-chested and bearded. And although there may easily be bearded and mannish women living in Norsca, a more distinctly female choice would have been nice.