Chosen gender = ambiguos (masks)

[Gloovish]

Yes yes it's another one of those threads. Before you click the back button hear me out. Its just that its impossible to bring a new idea to a thread where people have been repeating the same thing over and over again for the last 5 pages.

I'll make this brief. Chosen should not have a male face or a female face. They shouldn't have any skin left on their face(or anywhere). They should be wearing a (gender neutral) mask which prevents their guts and custard from spilling. Edit: Just to clarify, the mask is not a helm. Its part of the Chosen's face.

Advantages
This will require relatively little work.
It will be iconic and add to the mystery of the Chosen.
It will allow girls to imagine their character is (or used to be) a female.
Mythic can keep all the "iconic masculinity" or whatever and act exactly the same as before except they can't call it a male so that they don't break the fantasy people are having in their headsP.S. Make the voice neutral too, preferably a series muffled grunts and wails.

--Gloovish

[XShrike]

The current concept art shows the tier 1 Chosen without anything covering his head. This can change though as many things change in this stage.

I like your idea though. I don't see what each of the sides could have a problem with it. Although I really don't agree with something that size having anything but, a deep voice. I guess you could say, "lol Tzeentch," and be done with it.

[Hatemonger]

So, let me get this straight. I shouldn't be able to form sentences, because someone's pissed that they can't make a female Chosen? That's crap. I want a voice, whenever appropriate, and I definitely want it to sound male. I also want my helm to be toggleable, as I want to see my beautiful face from time to time. I'm not some faceless suit of armor, I'm a walking chaos-infested killing machine. I'm also human.

I mean, seriously, what happens if I take off my helmet, do I have an "automatic" helmet pop up? What about the helmless Tier 1 Chosen concept art or the helmless Chosen screenshots? Why do you hate my beauty? If "girls want to imagine their clearly male characters are female" then they can willingly choose to keep their helms on.

[Arijharn]

Can a chosen take off his armour? Isn't Chaos Armour supposed to be fused to his skin?

[Hatemonger]

Yeah, it's SUPPOSED to be.

But, think about it. We will be switching our armor regularly, so this is obviously one feature that won't be applicable in game. Just one of those minor "fluff" issues that will have to be discarded for gameplay reasons.

Maybe our skin will be scarred if we take it off or something, I don't know.

[Arijharn]

Yeah, it's SUPPOSED to be.

But, think about it. We will be switching our armor regularly, so this is obviously one feature that won't be applicable in game. Just one of those minor "fluff" issues that will have to be discarded for gameplay reasons.

Maybe our skin will be scarred if we take it off or something, I don't know.

Actually, I hope a sort of middle-ground is found. Say the Chosen has a default skin (omg, his armour at his tier) and if any armour is picked up, it 'morphs' whatever he has equipped, not the full amount, but a noticeable change to represent 'hey I'm wearing new plate!'

[Gloovish]

So, let me get this straight. I shouldn't be able to form sentences, because someone's pissed that they can't make a female Chosen?
No. Not being able to make a gender neutral Chosen because you want to hear a distinctively male voice, that's crap!

I want a voice, whenever appropriate, and I definitely want it to sound male.Just how much talking do you expect from the Chosen? "I'm out of AP." "I'm out of range." It's not like it will recite Shakespear.

I'm not some faceless suit of armor, I'm a walking chaos-infested killing machine. I'm also human. Actually the chosen is more of a faceless suit of armor and a killing machine than human. I remember in a video Paul said that the Chosens armor is whats keeping its body from disintegrating.(would be great if anyone could find the link, Miber hint :D)

If "girls want to imagine their clearly male characters are female" then they can willingly choose to keep their helms on.If you want to imagine your clearly mutated character as a male well, just do it.

Also it's funny that in your second post you say
[Armor fused to skin] Just one of those minor "fluff" issues that will have to be discarded for gameplay reasons.Why not just have lesser armor underneath the main armor and a mask that keeps the Chosen's flesh from disintegrating?

edit:
Actually, I hope a sort of middle-ground is found. Say the Chosen has a default skin (omg, his armour at his tier) and if any armour is picked up, it 'morphs' whatever he has equipped, not the full amount, but a noticeable change to represent 'hey I'm wearing new plate!'Yep, thats the idea.

[Hatemonger]

Nothing "crap" about wanting my male to sound like a male. It's common sense. I'm not expecting a lot of conversation from my Chosen, but I am expecting a few "battle cries, emotes, shouts, etc." types of sounds, as well as grunts of pain and frustration. No, I don't buy that they are walking suits of armor devoid of all personality and humanity. Sorry. Yes, my character may be a mutated male, but he will be a male all the same. I'm described as a "big burly northmen", not an "indistinguishable gelatinous blob in chaos armor". I have a hard time believing that Paul's comments applied to all Chaos Warriors, but if it does...then you have every right to demand non-removable armor.

Look, this is a custom figure, but tell me it ain't cool. I just really think the unhelmeted look is really coo. http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg)

[illukar]

Heh - maybe when Chosen get an armor upgrade, they just wedge it on over the top of the armor they're currently wearing. So Chosen are really layer upon layer of armor, with a bit of former human inside. [Chosen would be the Metal Onions of Chaos.]

Such a fun class - wish I'd been allowed to identify with it more.

[Gloovish]

Nothing "crap" about wanting my male to sound like a male. It's common sense. I'm not expecting a lot of conversation from my Chosen, but I am expecting a few "battle cries, emotes, shouts, etc." types of sounds, as well as grunts of pain and frustration.
Yes and all that can be in without being distinctively human male sounding. In fact it will be underwhelming if it sounded only as imposing as a human. Chosen are larger and stronger than humans. And as I said in my original post it's, ok if it sounds "masculine" in the sense that masculinity is associated with strength just as long as it's not associated with being a human male.

Watch the WAR trailer. The fight between the Chosen and the WP illustrates perfectly what I'm trying to say. The chosen is generally non vocal and at one point lets out a kind of non gender specific sigh. The WP on the other hand is distinctively human male sounding.


No, I don't buy that they are walking suits of armor devoid of all personality and humanity. Sorry.
On the contrary, they are walking suits of armor with a very iconic personality. Although I wouldn't count on their "humanity" if I met one whatever you mean by that in this context. ;)

Yes, my character may be a mutated male, but he will be a male all the same. I'm described as a "big burly northmen", not an "indistinguishable gelatinous blob in chaos armor". I have a hard time believing that Paul's comments applied to all Chaos Warriors, but if it does...then you have every right to demand non-removable armor.
The followers of Chaos are sometimes referred to as "Northmen" but its seem like a way of saying they come from the north instead of saying there are only men in the ranks of Chaos.
A more accurate description than "big burly northmen" can be found at
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/Chaos/Careers/Chosen.php
The Chosen is referred to as "hulking behemoths". Hulking behemoths who's mutated flesh is incased in armor. Isn't that cool? Do you really need to absolutely have man parts underneath? Well you can if you want but you wouldn't be able to see them. This simple change would make the Chosen cooler and solve the whole female Chosen debate.


Look, this is a custom figure, but tell me it ain't cool. I just really think the unhelmeted look is really coo. http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg)Not as cool as it would look helemted or masked. Also this is a pic of a mere Chaos Warrior. A Chosen of Tzeench would recieve more dark gifts that would mutate him or her to the point where the face would have to be incased in armor(it fits nicely lorewise :D)

[Hatemonger]

Yes and all that can be in without being distinctively human male sounding. In fact it will be underwhelming if it sounded only as imposing as a human. Chosen are larger and stronger than humans. And as I said in my original post it's, ok if it sounds "masculine" in the sense that masculinity is associated with strength just as long as it's not associated with being a human male.

But I WANT it to sound male. I am playing one, and there's only three options. Male, female, and "demonically warped". ;) I wouldn't mind 1 or 3 honestly, but I don't want my gender to be "ambiguous" to appeal to disappointed women. I don't care if it seems inhumane, or whatever, but I definitely don't want anyone to go, "hey, is this a woman or a guy speaking" when they hear it.

Watch the WAR trailer. The fight between the Chosen and the WP illustrates perfectly what I'm trying to say. The chosen is generally non vocal and at one point lets out a kind of non gender specific sigh. The WP on the other hand is distinctively human male sounding.

That trailer was Tekken: Warhammer version. It wasn't war. In a war, I'm expecting battle chants to our respective deities, roars of nondescript rage, and the pitiful blood-curdling screams of my enemies. If lore is against this, then this lore saddens me.

On the contrary, they are walking suits of armor with a very iconic personality. Although I wouldn't count on their "humanity" if I met one whatever you mean by that in this context. ;)

Huh? Are they so much different than Marauder personality wise?

Not as cool as it would look helemted or masked. Also this is a pic of a mere Chaos Warrior. A Chosen of Tzeench would recieve more dark gifts that would mutate him or her to the point where the face would have to be incased in armor(it fits nicely lorewise :D)

Uh...you do know that Chosen is simply the name Mythic is using to describe warriors right? Just saw a Chaos video of Youtube, of the guy specifically saying, "And this is our version of the Chaos Warrior". And that first part was an opinion. :p

[enrin]

Maybe our skin will be scarred if we take it off or something, I don't know.

Am I the only person who picture Darth Vader at this comment?
*hrhrhr*

Btt.: I think they should let the male chosen (and hatemonger) their masculine touch.
If roaring like a bull counts (are they roaring, i'm a citykid, ok, mooing), it's okay with me.
It will not help the female non-chosen, if the male version would be castrated.

[Josue]

Chosen didn't really appeal to my gf or any of her friends that are going to be playing - so to me this is a moot point. :D

[Kuari]

Chosen didn't really appeal to my gf or any of her friends that are going to be playing - so to me this is a moot point. :D

To be blunt, this kind of thinking bothers me...

Just my opinion, but thinking on these kind of topics I kind of do three things...

#1 Try to put myself in the shoes of a person who would be bothered by this subject... why are they bothered? Are their reasons legitimate?

#2 Try to put myself in the shoes of the person making a decision... why are they doing it?

#3 Try to put myself into the shoes of those supporting the decision and why?

For this particular subject, I personally believe #1 wins by a long shot *shrugs*


Now on topic... I personally don't like the idea of making them genderless... they're still human, just mutated... so what if they can't use their sex organs. Say you get castrated. That change your gender? Nope... same concept.

[Jesper]

as stated somewhere else (in VN maybe), i'll put gameplay over aestethics anyday. This is a game anyway, and the real RPG part is mainly the character development. Sure, there will be quests and npcs and stuff, but if i want to play an RPG i play baldur's gate or something similar. Or i play on an rpg server. They need to make an rpg server cause a lot of ppl simply take this game w/o its rpg part.

Sure, game immersion is important. But what i'm heading towards is RvR, and i don't think i'll be a good roleplayer while scremaing "kite that *** knight!" on TS.

On topic: i'm with hatemonger when it says that he's for a "male or demonic" voice. I don't want to sound like a robot or even worse, to sound like a masculine female or feminine male.

Thus i'm with gloovish when he states that the chosen is not human anymore. Anyway, it seems that we'll start our chaos chosen career as a chaos warrior (looking like a chaos warrior). We won't even wear a chaos armour, so we'll maybe start below a TT chaos warrior. By rank40 i suppose we'll be truly chaos chosen (even if, for ingame balacne reason, we won't chop goblins like straws)

[Shacklock01]

Nothing "crap" about wanting my male to sound like a male. It's common sense. I'm not expecting a lot of conversation from my Chosen, but I am expecting a few "battle cries, emotes, shouts, etc." types of sounds, as well as grunts of pain and frustration. No, I don't buy that they are walking suits of armor devoid of all personality and humanity. Sorry. Yes, my character may be a mutated male, but he will be a male all the same. I'm described as a "big burly northmen", not an "indistinguishable gelatinous blob in chaos armor". I have a hard time believing that Paul's comments applied to all Chaos Warriors, but if it does...then you have every right to demand non-removable armor.

Look, this is a custom figure, but tell me it ain't cool. I just really think the unhelmeted look is really coo. http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/pics/pics10/img43b4190757e61.jpg)

Well if they are anything like the Tzentchian Chaos Space Marines from 40k, which they look very simmilair too, then they could easily just be an animated suit of armour :P

[Gloovish]

Ok I see allot of confusion with the sound so I'll give a few examples.
I want the Chosen to sound more like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbLQLwVlcFg&mode=related&search=

and not like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlgcZ2L89RU&mode=related&search=
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ_-i7lNViI&mode=related&search=
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS2Fve72AZg&mode=related&search=
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylsfNXslLko
I know none of these sound that good but its just for comparison.

Now on topic... I personally don't like the idea of making them genderless... they're still human, just mutated... so what if they can't use their sex organs. Say you get castrated. That change your gender? Nope... same concept.
Yeah but there is another part in the chosen package, they are fully incased in armor. You don't get to see the inside. Is it too farfetched to think that whatever is inside may have started as a woman? The gender is ambiguous because you don't know whats inside even though outwardly it looks like something you would normally associate with masculinity.

Thats my problem with the way it currently is, the game tells you that whats inside that armor is absolutely a male in all possible circumstances. A female can't even roleplay a female Chosen without having to actively fight what the game says and everyones assumptions. Let the player decide whats underneath. This will only add to the coolness of the Chosen.

[Osium]

No. Not being able to make a gender neutral Chosen because you want to hear a distinctively male voice, that's crap!

Just how much talking do you expect from the Chosen? "I'm out of AP." "I'm out of range." It's not like it will recite Shakespear.

Actually the chosen is more of a faceless suit of armor and a killing machine than human. I remember in a video Paul said that the Chosens armor is whats keeping its body from disintegrating.(would be great if anyone could find the link, Miber hint :D)

If you want to imagine your clearly mutated character as a male well, just do it.

Also it's funny that in your second post you say
Why not just have lesser armor underneath the main armor and a mask that keeps the Chosen's flesh from disintegrating?

edit:
Yep, thats the idea.

There is no such thing as a gender neutral chaos choson. They are not orcs. The are humans twisted by Chaos. Chaos Warriors just happen to be all male according to the IP.

Chaos Warriors and thereby Choson are as distinctly male as Witch Elves are female.

I think I will go to the elf forums now and demand female witch elves to have masks and grunt only so I can pretend they are gender neutral.

[gandk]

Osium
There is no such thing as a gender neutral chaos choson. They are not orcs. The are humans twisted by Chaos. Chaos Warriors just happen to be all male according to the IP. Sigh, people are still confused on this point? No, according to the IP, female chosen exist. There just arent alot of them. There is a female chosen of khorne in the gortex and felix book, the tome of corruption clearly states that "men or women" can become chosen of chaos. There are other places in the lore as well.

Osium
Chaos Warriors and thereby Choson are as distinctly male as Witch Elves are female.

Male chosen are distinctly male, female chosen distinctly female... Although, they wont be in WAR, as mythic has decided to cut female chosen out.


Now, back on topic. About gender neutrality.. I dont really think it's viable, as the lore doesnt support it, and I'm not sure it really would do anything for the female gamers who want to play a chosen. I wouldnt mind terribly though, and the lore has been stretched worse in other cases.

[Kuari]

There is no such thing as a gender neutral chaos choson. They are not orcs. The are humans twisted by Chaos. Chaos Warriors just happen to be all male according to the IP.

Chaos Warriors and thereby Choson are as distinctly male as Witch Elves are female.

I think I will go to the elf forums now and demand female witch elves to have masks and grunt only so I can pretend they are gender neutral.

As the person above me said, Chosen are male or female in lore.

The females mentioned in lore are basically the leaders, so I believe it's safe to assume that a bunch of the underlings are too.

But yeah, I don't want gender neutral, there should be a male voiceset/heads and a female voiceset/heads if nothing else for Chaos Chosen... now I'm hoping the heads won't be visible after a certain point, but if it's possible that they will be, more reason to have the female heads at least

[Hatemonger]

The are humans twisted by Chaos. Chaos Warriors just happen to be all male according to the IP.

You new here or something?

[Kampfer]

The main point is it seems to be rare to see female chosen but either way the Chosen as Male only just ensures that its always an Imposing Visage.

[Kuari]

The main point is it seems to be rare to see female chosen but either way the Chosen as Male only just ensures that its always an Imposing Visage.

Tell me... if you met Chyna in person, and she looked pissed, could you really tell me you wouldn't be scared?

Those who watch wrestling or used to know what I'm talking about

[LookinGreen]

I really don't care if there is a female chosen or not. However if Mythic does decide to put them in they shouldn't just rush it out by putting another head on the body or masking the current model. They should take their time and do it correctly. This idea seems like nothing more than a band aid idea to appease the people crying out for a female model.

[Kuari]

I really don't care if there is a female chosen or not. However if Mythic does decide to put them in they shouldn't just rush it out by putting another head on the body or masking the current model. They should take their time and do it correctly. This idea seems like nothing more than a band aid idea to appease the people crying out for a female model.

That's what I'd prefer too, but the bandaid would be better then nothing... also it depends just what that conversation between GW and Mythic was exactly...

[Keiser]

The Chosen of Tzeentch are supposed to be large, imposing, physically daunting beings. When you see them towering over you, you get very, very scared. The idea I got from the official post on the subject was that the attempts at making a female Chosen model noticeably female detracted from these qualities. By making something feminine, it becomes less large, less imposing, and less daunting physically.

Argue all you want about a female wrestler, or a female Chosen being tough looking, but you'd have to admit that a female wrestler doesn't exactly look feminine anymore, anyways.

The Chosen is a masculine career, whether the being inside was once male or female. Are people asking for female Chosen asking for a feminine Chosen? If so, this goes exactly against what GW and Mythic want a Chosen to be. The model would look masculine whether it is female or male, but pasting a female head on would look ridiculous.

In short: to make a Chosen look and act like a Chosen in this gamespace, having a female version would detract from it.

[Hatemonger]

That's not what this thread was about though. :p

[jkdfhk]

The only way i can see a female being a F***ING HUGE WALKING MOUNTIAN! is if shes been seriously mutated (Which means you wont be able to tell the male/female differnce) , had a load of steriods, or is a big islander that became a chosen.

[Hiran]

http://www.secretlivesofmobs.com/index.php?strip_id=21

[Michael Ritter]

Not to mention that ambiguous chaos is better left to slaneesh. Tzeentch is not that kinda god, you are a chaos male so I see no reason to hide behind masks or uniconic ambiguous voices.

[Beeb0]

Just give a chosen a ponytail at the back of their head.
...Wha? Big girls need love too :D

[dyrinn45]

wow monger, no wonder everyone bashes you in your posts, you are a thick headed person...you think the game should cater to you. like your opinion of what should happen is better than the woman's heh. you seem kind of like a douche bag, and personally if they want female chosen give it to them, most woman dont want to picture them self as a fat that is decaying inside of a tin box...and if they do then grats to them let their character sound how they want it to sound.

[Hatemonger]

I'm sorry, what?

Yes, I am opinionated, but I am certainly not trying to insult anyone. This is certainly more than I can say to you. Though I shouldn't indulge your poor attempt at garnering attention, I will try to salvage some constructive response out of your delightful troll-post.

Okay, what exactly do you mean by I think the game should cater to me? Of course I'd do. I wish the game would be exactly what I want, and be perfect to my needs. Naturally, I don't believe this is going to happen, nor have I suggested that this would be a good idea from a business or practical sense. There is absolutely nothing wrong with me wanting the game to be as perfect as it can be.

As for me thinking my opinion is better than a women's...well, that's just a dumb comment. I have made no comments to suggest this at all. I will tell you though, that EVERYONE's opinion is equally valid in this debate, women are otherwise. There is absolutely no reason I should 'shut up' because I don't personally plan on playing a female Chosen. For example, I don't plan on playing a Black Orc, but I'd speak out if Mythic suddenly decided they should be purple.

I'm really not interested in what you think 'most women' want. It's completely silly to suggest what the opinion of a majority is. All I was saying in my post was that there is absolutely NO REASON why my male character should have an ambiguous-sounded voice. It looks male, it acts male, it is male...therefore it should sound male. This should be clear to anyone.

Thanks, lots.

[ChosenOne]

IF they do have a voice I would think it would be male Sounding. Now would it necessarily sound human? Thats a different question altogether that is best answered by the dev's and GW.

I personally wouldnt want mine to sound human. I would want it to have a.....different quality to it.

[Skage]

http://www.secretlivesofmobs.com/index.php?strip_id=21


LMFAO, awesome.

[Drift3r]

You have a female Knight of the Blazing Sun and a female Priest of Sigmar ( of which there are none in real WH lore !!! ).

It's sad that somehow Mythic in all it's planning did not realize that any of these groups could easily have female traitors who fall to the taint of Chaos. Chaos corrupts everything and to not believe or think that Chaos could not corrupt a female Knight of the Blazing Sun or female Priest of Sigmar is flawed to say the least. Chaos isn't Chaos IMHO if it's not twisting, corrupting and turning everything it comes in contact with including the 2 mentioned classes. Hell the Lord of End Times - Archaon was rumored to be a fallen Priest of Sigmar.

[JonesyMan]

Tell me... if you met Chyna in person, and she looked pissed, could you really tell me you wouldn't be scared?

Those who watch wrestling or used to know what I'm talking about

I would be scared either way, that chick is fugly.

Back on topic. I think people should ask themselves if it is really going to matter what their Chosen character sounds like. I mean, don't most people use some sort of TS or Ventrillo when playing MMO's anyway? So, who cares what your character sounds like, because chances are your not using it to speak through. If you get upset about the fact that your in game character doesn't sound right, then by golly you are in for rude awaking in life.

[dyrinn45]

yea ok monger, you say that you dont think your opinion is more valid than theirs but every time one of the people in this thread say they want woman chosen you say "oh i dont want MY character to sound like that" and you think that mythic should cater to you. you make no valid arguments as to why there shouldn't be woman chosen except that you dont want you YOUR character to sound or look like something. well maybe they dont want THEIR characters to look only male, and sound only male, yet you dismiss want they want in their characters because you feel that you are right, which you aren't. and you are more than opinionated you are a self centered person who is voicing his opinion loudly and not listening to any of that "constructive criticism" that you like to talk about.


EDIT: and given the fact that under your avatar you said you were playing a marauder, i dont understand why you would even make posts in this thread about how females would be so bad.

[Faezroth]

yea ok monger, you say that you dont think your opinion is more valid than theirs but every time one of the people in this thread say they want woman chosen you say "oh i dont want MY character to sound like that" and you think that mythic should cater to you. you make no valid arguments as to why there shouldn't be woman chosen except that you dont want you YOUR character to sound or look like something. well maybe they dont want THEIR characters to look only male, and sound only male, yet you dismiss want they want in their characters because you feel that you are right, which you aren't. and you are more than opinionated you are a self centered person who is voicing his opinion loudly and not listening to any of that "constructive criticism" that you like to talk about.


EDIT: and given the fact that under your avatar you said you were playing a marauder, i dont understand why you would even make posts in this thread about how females would be so bad.

You speculation and lack of reading comprehension is annoying, and i don't see why you are posting here either since "under your avatar you said you were playing a zealot".

The chosen is said to be only male, the solution if they want to let females play a not obiously male character is to make a female version with a female voice/look, not make the only chosen "gender" neutral.

[Hatemonger]

yea ok monger, you say that you dont think your opinion is more valid than theirs but every time one of the people in this thread say they want woman chosen you say "oh i dont want MY character to sound like that" and you think that mythic should cater to you. you make no valid arguments as to why there shouldn't be woman chosen except that you dont want you YOUR character to sound or look like something. well maybe they dont want THEIR characters to look only male, and sound only male, yet you dismiss want they want in their characters because you feel that you are right, which you aren't. and you are more than opinionated you are a self centered person who is voicing his opinion loudly and not listening to any of that "constructive criticism" that you like to talk about.

I'm not sure you've read one of my posts completely.

I want female Chosen. I've never said I didn't. I've been one of the main people arguing against 'ONLY MALE' Chosen since the decision was announced.

My argument IN THIS THREAD, was that I don't want my MALE character to sound like a 'female' simply because Mythic decided to scrap the concept of a female Chosen option. That's it. I want my male character to be a male. To sound like a male, look like a male, and obviously be a male. No 'ambiguous' crap for me.

EDIT: and given the fact that under your avatar you said you were playing a marauder, i dont understand why you would even make posts in this thread about how females would be so bad.Oh, that's easy. I may have no desire to play a female Chosen, and I can accept Mythic's reasoning for not including them...what I can not accept are the stupid arguments that populate these threads.

The justifications for 'all male Chosen' are usually not only horribly wrong, but often repeated over and over again. Really, it's the arguments from this community that piss me off so much, not the decision itself.

Silly, I know.

[Seventh Child]

I too would not want my Chosen to be "ambiguous".

Okay so they didn't do Female Chosen. It's understandable (Hey I'm not happy about it, but c'est la vie). But I don't think that means they should make the Chosen genderless.

Chosen are not necessarily custard in a shell. It's probably more simple than that. They make me think of the strogg from Quake - they're still generally human. The basis of a Chosen is it's still human but, because of the Mark of Chaos, they've been altered. It's not a sure thing, maybe one day you've been wearing your chaos armour for too long and your shoulderplate just decides it might graft onto your bone and - hey - just for kicks, your legs have twisted into metal.

But at the core of it, a chosen is still human. They have morale like any other man, they have desires and fears like any other man.

Think of Darth Vader. Beneath that big black suit of armour which he is surgically attatched to, there's still an Anakin, and he's still a he.

By the way dyrinn45, if you're going to post replies, it might do well to actually read the posts you're replying too.

[Ahmenus]

You have a female Knight of the Blazing Sun and a female Priest of Sigmar ( of which there are none in real WH lore !!! ).

It's sad that somehow Mythic in all it's planning did not realize that any of these groups could easily have female traitors who fall to the taint of Chaos. Chaos corrupts everything and to not believe or think that Chaos could not corrupt a female Knight of the Blazing Sun or female Priest of Sigmar is flawed to say the least. Chaos isn't Chaos IMHO if it's not twisting, corrupting and turning everything it comes in contact with including the 2 mentioned classes. Hell the Lord of End Times - Archaon was rumored to be a fallen Priest of Sigmar.

That's kind of interesting you should mention that. I find it very amusing that not only is Destruction more hyped than the Order ( let's just say, I hope there really is a faction balance in the game) but the Order, what? Can have BOTH genders and Destruction only has a few? I wonder why that is! Seems more of a trap for women who actually play Destruction to be cornered to play "stereotypical" female classes.

They can play characters in dresses, and lonely man fantasy character the Witch Elf who is barely dressed and I assume the further armor she gets the more revealing it becomes. That's great and all but not everyone plays with females who well, wishes to play a whorish character. I know it's shocking.

Well then again, there is probably a lost book in the Warhammer Lore that says Destruction men can give birth after being impregnated by the same sex. Either that, or Destruction is the first part of a game advertising sexism!

Anyways, I don't honestly care about that who situation of genders. If you are a female and want play a female there are plenty (if not all) of characters to choose from on the Order! So let the Destruction wallow in their zerg full of asexual classes!

Here me ye role players! LET OUT THE CHEER:


~NO WOMEN FOR DESTRUCTION! BIASED LORE FOR ALL! DESTRUCTION ZERG ARMY! GO FORTH AND BE MERRY!~

Legal Disclaimer: Yes, this is an intentional flame post made to degrade the following but not limited to: Chosen, Witch Elves, Mythic lore writers, women complaining about Chosen, men complaining about chosen, you, your dog, role players and anything else that has to do with Destruction, the likes of, who's where of and so forth hence thy bloodeth thy role playeth.

-Ahmenus,the definition of evil.

[Kampfer]

I am playing Tzeentch not Slaanesh so a big male warrior of Tzeentch should sound like a big male warrior.


Gender ambiguity is a theme of Slaanesh not Tzeentch. Personally i don't see whats the big deal. By all rights you should see very little female warriors on the side of the Hordes of Chaos because they are Tribal Cultures of a dark ages setting.... in other words women are too important to the longevity of the Tribe to risk them to die on the battlefield.

So the sight of a female warrior of chaos should be very rare amongst the marauding Northmen hordes.

As for the whines... go play Witches... Chosen are male only and i am so sorry we won't be able to see a female chosen /dancing in the buff for whatever currency the game has.

[Hatemonger]

Because obviously, the main draw appeal with female gamers is "dancing in the buff".

You Sir, have finally bested any argument I could possibly come up with.

[spirit]

Even if they did make Chosen ambiguous, it would just end up being the same as with the Orcs, where despite them being asexual, everyone says they are male anyway and a hell of a lot of females wont play them because they are male (to them). An ambiguous Chosen would be the same, females would look at it, see hulking, see armour, see massive weapon of doom and go "that's male", even if it is made ambiguous and it has a "asexual" tag next to it.

There's just no point.

[Ranti]

This one still gets me


Why do (EDIT) people still claim (EDIT) Girls claim they want to play female characters?

I know lots of guys who play female toons, and i know a couple girls who have played male toons


Heck, I at one point have had a female avatar, where i usually prefer the male apperence for my avatars

I don't see where you can logically claim

"Girls can't play as female toons" it is just ludcrius and asinine

I think the chosen is more distinctively massive wall of metal

And this is stereotypically a MALE idealism

If you don't believe me look at all the threads that say that greenskins are males

Mythic is just playing that up