If Marauders can turn in daemons

[GhostMessiah]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the most elite Marauders are granted the 'ultimate' gift of true daemonhood. hmmm.... tier 4 marauder = elite marauder = u get to xform into a daemon maybe.

Any1 know more, or u can just discuss how awsome it would be to turn into a daemon.

[heavyhebrew]

Unfortunately there will be no Ascension in WAR......as of yet.:D

Sure would be cool for later on. Your character floats high into the sky, a blackness surrounds him so dark that it seems to suck in the light, lightening, thunder then a blinding flash and a new daemon prince is born.

Would be seriously imba tho.

[Duty]

Only the greatest champions of Chaos ascend to daemonhood, and marauders are not the most elite. Chosen would fit that more then marauders by a long way.

But no, I guarantee there will be no ascension, a Demon Prince is a pretty powerful entity, worthy of a boss mob, but too powerful for a PC.

[Disciple]

if there was some kinda asscention protocol id want to keep the pc a bit smaller..like a spawn of chaos or something akin to a daeamonette.

[Krulltak]

Only the greatest champions of Chaos ascend to daemonhood, and marauders are not the most elite. Chosen would fit that more then marauders by a long way.

But no, I guarantee there will be no ascension, a Demon Prince is a pretty powerful entity, worthy of a boss mob, but too powerful for a PC.

Exactly.

First of all, Daemon Princes, or hell just ordinary lesser daemons, would be JUST TOO POWERFUL as playable characters. Secondly, as it is his duty to serve as Duty has stated, Only the GREATEST Lords and Champions of the Gods reach daemonhood.

Mauraders are the lowliest possible in Chaos hierarchy. Just your average everyday barbarian trying to make a living and aspiriing to become a great leader.

The playable Mauraders in WAR are no different, except for the fact that they have been mutated by the high amount of chaos energy in the northernlands. It is not a gift from Tzeentch really, just a magic mutation recieved some time in thier lives from the winds of magic stirring in the air.

[Taurth]

I'd argue that the playable Marauders wont be the lowest of the low, with mutations. I know I'm a Marauder fan, so I may be a bit biased.

But, since every playable character will be an elite troop, and as Chaos part of the Raven host, I'd assume that the Marauder isn't the "lowest of the low with mutations", and I'd find it more likely that those mutations aren't just from energy in the wastelands, as this high position in Tzeentch's army suggests that those mutations would be gifts from Tzeentch, especially because the Marauders we've seen in some other videos don't seem to have any mutations atall.

[Krulltak]

Well, from what I know, a lot of humans are born mutated, and not because of Gods, but because of the magic in the air, leaking out of the northern gate.

Having a sword for an arm sure will help ya though.

[Taurth]

Thing is, comparing the playable Marauders to the ordinary Marauders we've seen attacking the Empire in some of the videos, it puts the playable Marauders clearly above them for having mutations.

It seems that in WAR, mutations aren't as common as they may be in Warhammer Lore; I wouldn't expect to see as much of mutations throughout the lower NPC ranks of Chaos (Being the lowliest of the Chaos hierarchy as you describe Marauders) and in the random citizens of the Empire as you would do if WAR were an exact representation of the lore.

[Estebar]

To be a member of the Raven Host is to commune with the essence of Tzeentch itself. Those who accept the gifts of The Changer of Ways are blessed with unimaginable power, and are forever changed. In the eyes of the Northmen, there is no greater honor, and each desires above all to prove his worth to the dark Champion and his Raven god. A little while ago, I wondered whether the Marauders would be the carriers of the Chaos Plague or not. That could be what set them apart from regular non-consistently mutated Marauders. Perhaps some were chosen as vessels for the Plague (given a little more control over their symptoms by openly worshipping Tzeentch and the power of Change), and were recruited as the warriors of the Raven Host.

[checkthis5000]

A little while ago, I wondered whether the Marauders would be the carriers of the Chaos Plague or not. That could be what set them apart from regular non-consistently mutated Marauders. Perhaps some were chosen as vessels for the Plague (given a little more control over their symptoms by openly worshipping Tzeentch and the power of Change), and were recruited as the warriors of the Raven Host.

I think that's what the "Plague Bearers" are for. I think the Marauders are pretty much what their name implies. Crazy death-dealing northmen. :p

[Estebar]

I think that's what the "Plague Bearers" are for. I think the Marauders are pretty much what their name implies. Crazy death-dealing northmen. :p
The Plaguebearers of Nurgle, as their full name implies, bear the plagues of Nurgle. The Chaos Plague is one of Tzeentch's devising. :p

[RadioNinja]

As said above, the game guys have already said that you'll be playing as the cream of the crop of the Chaos Hordes, the Elite Raven Host. The Marauders of the raven host are far removed from the lowly grunts that share their name in the regular ranks.

Either way, I don't see us getting turned into demons after levelling up. If I start the game as a mutant barbarian, I'd actually like to stay a mutant barbarian... with an octopus head.

Completely unrelated, but you can turn into a demon in Age of Conan.

[Krulltak]

Completely unrelated, but you can turn into a demon in Age of Conan.

Damn you, now I don't know which game to getl.:(

[Livius]

I'd rather like partial mutations than complete morphing into a daemon or chaos spawn.

[Arstoan Demacus]

Daemonhood is something as mentioned in earlier posts that the most powerful of the Chaos leaders can achive. It would be such a inbalance in the game if it was possible and making everyone to be able to reach this rank is also wrong.

Even many strong chaos leaders are not able to reach this special rank, the dark Gods wish to test leader to reach daemonhood, but only does that proves worty.

On the marauder being the lowest, I don't belive so.

[Baron Khaine]

Daemonhood is something as mentioned in earlier posts that the most powerful of the Chaos leaders can achive. It would be such a inbalance in the game if it was possible and making everyone to be able to reach this rank is also wrong.

Even many strong chaos leaders are not able to reach this special rank, the dark Gods wish to test leader to reach daemonhood, but only does that proves worty.

On the marauder being the lowest, I don't belive so.

The Marauders of WAR will not be the lowest, from a fluff perspective think of the WAR Marauders as the Marauder Chieftan's, who actually get beneficial mutations for there clan's exploits in battle.

[LookinGreen]

I wouldn't mind:

100% morale- Tzeentchs gift
Turn into a daemon for 3 minutes. You receive increased attack speed, 500more hp, and 10% crit ability

Although I'm sure we won't see it and I know nothing of lore so don't even know if it would work.

[Veilside]

Lore wise, they'd be pretty screwed over if they turned into powerful daemons, daemons requiring huge amounts of magical energy to sustain themselves and all.

[Damienx247]

The closest thing to Acension that we might see is when the Chosen earn their true Chaos Armor..

[Vrakh]

Lore wise no ordinary chaos troop would ever have the luck to be turned into a daemon , only the strongest and most powerful lords have a chance. Out of the Chaos faction I see only Tchar'zanek having a chance to be turned into a daemon prince.
Sometimes some not so powerful champions and lords will let themselves be posessed by some of the more powerful daemons and thus becoming the exalted daemon , similar to daemon prices but with less power.

[Veilside]

Sometimes some not so powerful champions and lords will let themselves be posessed by some of the more powerful daemons and thus becoming the exalted daemon , similar to daemon prices but with less power.

A lot of the time it's not a case of them letting it happen ;)

[Vrakh]

A lot of the time it's not a case of them letting it happen ;)
Well , that too. But this isn't Warcraft where you can turn into a daemon for 60 seconds or so. In Warhammer it's permanent.

[ApricotSoup]

Mutations and the ascent to Daemonhood in warhammer almost always end when the warrior dies so are not seen to fruition.

Of those that get to what can be considered the next stage are almost all turned into Chaos spawn, mindless beings with no free will whatsoever. The remaining 1% that make it are by this stage stupidly powerful through many years/decades of constant battle and mutation changing them.

I think it's safe to say we wont be seeing any daemons from a lore perspective, though this is Age of Reckoning and not Warhammer lore-wise (female dwarfs fighting etc.) so who knows for certain.

[Torr]

Yeah turning into Daemons is probably a bit much for any playable character. As for which class is higher on the pecking order, Chosen or Marauders... you can't really pick one and say it's better because the lore has been adapted to fit the MMORPG.

The heavy suit of Chaos Armor doesn't necessarily mark you as a Chosen... you could have that as a Warrior Champion. Like someone else said I too treat the Marauders as more of a Cheiftain (which would still be a lesser point model than a Champion). The main reason I say not to look too deeply into the names of the classes is because if you read the description of Chosen out of the Army book (well at least the version I have), it could be describing either class. At the end of the passage it basically says that it is the enemy who foolishly label thier units as Marauders or Champions... the Northmen rate people more by the amount of gifts of change a person is blessed with... which could apply to either class.

Thus it is the ambition of every young Northman to grow into a mighty warrior, and ultimately to face the judgement of the gods in a ceremony of summonation or by travelling to the far north itself. If he survives this ordeal, he is judged to have been found worthy of his god's service and of his tribe's respect. He is said to have been Chosen by the god. These exalted warriors have the highest status amongst thier tribe. They often bear the mark of thier patron god in the form of a prominent tattoo, the brand of a heated iron or a pattern cut into thier flesh.

Once a warrior has been chosen, his deeds are said to be observed and judged by his patron and sometimes by other gods if he is especially powerful. He may start to mutate, often becoming bigger and stronger, whilst his skin may grow tough, leathery, or even chitinous, forming a natural armor. These qualities are regarded very favourably as gifts of the gods that make a warrior more formidable as well as marking him for future greatness. Those who are especially favoured may return time and again to the Realm of Chaos or to certain holy places along the borderlands, where they commune with the gods and receive further gifts of this kind.

In the eyes of the Northmen there is a natural and progressive distinction between the mass of roving warriors, those few favoured by the gods, and the very few whose extraordinary gifts mark them out as the leaders and most powerful of all thier tribe. It is their enemies, rather than the Northmen, who draw a distinction between the youngest unmarked warriors, whom they call Marauders because of their raiding and roving lifestyle, the Chaos Warriors, whose superior armour and status make them easily recognisable, and Champions of Chaos, the leaders and greatest of all.

I see the highest tiers of either class fitting into the "extraordinary gifts" category. ;)