Not very popular?

[Scraper]

Did you notice this here as well?
Not many people are crazy about Zealots - you can find it all around the forum with the latest poll (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15297) as some kind of confirmation.

By this I want to say that Im really glad. I like to play not overpopulated classes and I fancy this one, it is supercool :)


But the real question is - why do you think is that?

(edittypo)

[saltbush]

well bar the fact i'm not big on chaos i think the zealot is in that terrible area between ok looking and really ugly. The result is you have a character that looks ugly but not ugly enough to warrant it.

Also they walk funny and haven't got the backstory in the lore like those that have minitures/fluff beforehand.

Still i'm sure there will be a few of them about (hey i might even play em if they are really underplayed)

[Gaazruk]

The Zealot is like.... The Red Headed Step-Child of Chaos...

[Delbeath]

as soon as the next beta push will open empire vs. chaos (read somewhere that it will happen in august), I'd bet we will see a lot more people flocking to the careers of those two races.

having visual gameplay and more ability/career info at hand is always helpful for making decisions or getting attracted.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Obviously enough I'm not a huge chaos fan. About the only class they have so far I like the look of is the Chosen (and still I think they need those capes with the big fluffy collars, I love those capes!) But the zealot to me just looks too much like a goth kid and not like a soldier.

[Crazy ol' dude]

I'm happy 'cause of that aswell :-) However I talked with a lot of people, read opinions here and there and it seems like most of people dislike the Zealot cause of the way he looks (and i'm talking about people who are familiar with description and official spells, not only seen screenshots or something).

Just think about it. Imagine:
It's the very first time you're looking at the Chaos careers
You see concepts of Chosen, Marauder and Magus you're probably like -> awesome armors, nice helmets, badass weapons etc etc.
Then you look at the Zealot
And you see a really crazy looking, shirtless, barefoot dude, carrying a dagger and a skull.
You think -> ....wtf? <OR> That's ****ing awesome ]:- D
Love him or hate him.

Besides the look, Zealot's description and official spells sounds like he isn't a really simple career to play:
- you "need" to do proper to situation rituals and then summon harbringers(debuffing)
- you "need" to put proper to situation marks on your allies(buffing)
- you "need" to do damage
- you "need" to run away from meleers and take use of LOS to avoid ranged DPSers (because most likely - as an anything that can heal - you're the primary target, in most MMOs at least)
- you "need" to occasionally spam "TAKE THEM OFF ME" macros while in pugs
- and you "need" to heal (ufff).
Well, you should at least to make good use of your Zealot :p i put all need in "" because i obviously won't be paying your subsription.
I'm not saying that he IS complicated, well, we don't even know all his spells, tactics, we didn't see any serious gameplay movie etc...but he does sound to many like a complicated type of career.

As we know from many polls most people don't like playing a healer/support type of class/career.
"HEEL ME NUB" types of idiots can also frighten some people from playing anything that can heal.

There're a lot more factors, i guess, but IMHO you just need to combine all the three above and you'll see why people choose other carieers as their mains.
That leads me to think(and hope ]:->) the Zealot will be one of the least populated careers (after realease ofc), and 'cause of that the good played Zealots will be "worshipped", well know in the Chaos army and they'll easily get the favor of Tzeentch('cause of low numbers of competition)...[insert some crazy laughing here]...I can right now imagine the rewards for this service - mutations, wealth, mutations, power, mutations, yes, YES, OOOH!!!....

hmmm? ah...right

If Mythic chooses to "force" the balance i'd say they'll need to make some awesome (but not overpowered, just innovative, good looking, with great animations/effects etc.) spells for the Zealot, nice looking robes, badass daggers and so on imho...but if they'll simplify the debuffing system a lot to attract more players (like for example blizzard did to warlock class, the class that was meant to be a debuffer, they turned it into kinda dps machine) i'll be the very first to slaughter Mythic employeers in the name of Tzeentch. ]:-<
It's my first post here, hello brothers and sisters, and thanks for reading. ]:- )

[Gemini]

I say woo for zealot's not being very popular, because then I will be even more desired in parties and guilds.

[drunkmime]

Zealots are awesome Black Metal Shamans from Norway.

[Leontes]

The Zealot's game mechanic at this point is also slightly archaic.

What does a Choppa do? He goes nuts on people and chops them to pieces with choppas. He has berserking abilities and DPS-augmenting abilities. He chops and chops and chops and chops, all in the name of Waaagh!

What does a Bright Wizard do? He burns things. He makes things explode with instant buckets of sunshine. It's quite clear what he does. He will be doing lots and lots of damage with fire spells.

Those are DPS classes, how about the Shaman?

What does a Shaman do? Nuke hard, heal hard. Repeat. We know of some of his Morale abilities, and they're either hard hitting, hard healing, or massive snaring. We can look directly at him and see his combat potential. He nukes, he heals, he's a winner. Simple. People know why they want to play a Shaman. Goblins are cool, and he nukes hard and heals hard.

Now that brings us to the Zealot. All we know right now is that he has no TT fluff to back him up and a complete lack of outward understanding as to what he actually does. Barnett has never come out and said specifically how they do damage, although he has mentioned his look and birds a ton and whatnot. If he did, we'd know the basic things, like if he is melee, ranged, throws his dagger, etc. What we DO know is that he has hardcore buffing and debuffing abilities, and that he's the Chaos healer.

And for some, they might see this as many see "healbots" in other games; existing purely for the fun of others. Granted if this is the truth, it takes someone who really understands, appreciates, and respects this necessary support role to not only play it to its maximum potential, but LOVE doing it at the same time. This is why they'll inevitably be underplayed and "disliked", not to mention some feel they lack the flair of most other classes in this game, as they are all so vivid.

It's a love/hate thing, but he's probably just really, really misunderstood. I bet he hits like a friggin' truck.

[Gemini]

Actually, we do know his gimmick, at least his main one to keep him offensive and supportive. He casts a dark ritual on the ground near him, which creates a ritual circle. Anyone afflicted with the zealot's harbringers in said circle will come under the effect of the dark ritual. The ritual's effects vary from spell to spell of course, but are all sorts of "draining" spells. We've seen ones that cause the afflicted enemies to regen AP slower, and the zealot's allies near them regen AP faster than normal. Or one that damages the afflicted enemies, and heals the allies in the area. Ect ect ect.

Part of the reason people don't like the Zealot, I think, is they don't want to try this new, weird way of healing. They want more straight-forward stuff. However, another reason I think is that, well... they're ugly. I like it, I think it's cool, but it's a style that is defiantly not to alot of peoples liking.

[Aggronaut]

yes for the win. tough career = less players. which will usually leave the good healers/support/debuff/cackling players to stand out, and for that easier guild invites, YAYA!

[Leontes]

Actually, we do know his gimmick, at least his main one to keep him offensive and supportive. He casts a dark ritual on the ground near him, which creates a ritual circle. Anyone afflicted with the zealot's harbringers in said circle will come under the effect of the dark ritual. The ritual's effects vary from spell to spell of course, but are all sorts of "draining" spells. We've seen ones that cause the afflicted enemies to regen AP slower, and the zealot's allies near them regen AP faster than normal. Or one that damages the afflicted enemies, and heals the allies in the area. Ect ect ect.


Right, and does this SOUND anywhere near as brutally effective as a Shaman's method for getting things done? Who cares if you can drain somebody's armor if you can just nuke him for 3000? Isn't killing someone yourself "better" than draining someone so your allies can take him out?

Some players will think this way and roll other support classes because of it. I'm sure the Ritual/Mark of Chaos/Harbinger system will be severely worthwhile so I'm sticking with Zealot to find out just how powerful the debuffs will be.

Not to mention, as a support class you always have to worry about those around you. In these big RvR battles, you're going to have those crazy scrub allies who are of absolutely no help; the Black Orc who never taunts, the Shaman who never heals, and the Zealots who ask you how they can spec for Mind Flay. Making it your responsibility to learn the more complex support classes is good for everybody since you can probably count on random Shamans being particularly effective at healnuke, but random Zealots might be positively horrible at everything.

It IS an MMO, after all.

[Shadowdamon]

I personally am trying to understand every bit of the zealot as 1. i plan to play as one. 2. difficult classes need more than just play by experience (if u play like this u may realize u have lot of gimp characters) 3. he reminds me of an insane hobo, i mean cmon he wears a cloak of crows/ravens, barefoot, probally stinks, carries a knife...freakin sweet

[Axxar]

The thing that's attractive about the Zealot is the mechanics of how he functions by healing through debuffing his enemies. Very innovative and interesting. As for simply nuking - we already have the goblin shaman, we don't need one more of those. The thing I find less attractive is how he looks and moves about.

[Ogharod]

As to why people don't "like" the zealot:

There aren't too much- if any- comparable classes in other MMOs especially in WoW.
At first look he's a "Warlock"- but with AE "curses" and he's a "supporter/healer".
People get confused about it.

Also, although we know he heavily relies on harbringers and rituals there's nothing really we know about the two of them- can there be multiple harbringers? Do I have to "add" a harbringer to single targets? Is everything within a ritual affacted by harbringers? What's a ritual or better- how big is it? Can we have multiple rituals?

As opposed to the shaman: direct nukes, direct heals, direct debuffs/buffs. Nothing hard to understand about his Waaagh! System.

Same for the RP: Prepare Runes before battle and trigger them wisely while loading you staff with energy do punish the enemy. Nothing too Hard.

So, we just have to wait until more information get handed out regarding the Zealot- maybe I can ask some qestions on one of the upcoming events in Germany.

[Fluks]

The mullet, thats why.

[Kiminara]

but look at this poll.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15501

I know this doesn't inclue all of destruction classes, just chaos, but zealot is second for chaos.

[_Jani_]

Zealot looks too handsome...I would have liked much omre concept art zealot...really much..

[Vegetta]

I don't like how they are kind of hunchbacked - kind of reminds me of Trolls in wow (I hated that they were all hunchbacked as well...)

[Zeetchmen]

Its a toss up between zealot or marauder for me

debuffs vs dps :neutral:

I can't decided :(

[Gemini]

It's the same for me, Zeetch. Tell ya what, you go one, I'll go the other.

[Crazy ol' dude]

but look at this poll.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15501

I know this doesn't inclue all of destruction classes, just chaos, but zealot is second for chaos.
On the other hand, look at the amount of threads/posts in each of the subforums here (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35) ;)

[Fluffyncute]

To me it seems like they mixed shamans from both EQOA and WOW into an ugly beast. They debuff/heal/damage dps (for how much who knows till beta). However healbotting and debuffing is what i live for and i cant wait till i can get a first hands look at this class.

[Auku]

"The Zealot is basically a crazy, Chaos fanatic covered in feathers, with a crazy dagger, and creepy fetishes, and clouds of birds flying around him, and he throws potions and he throws lotions and he stabs you. He is the healer."

I usaully play underplayed classes...
Plus I like crazy classes

also...http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/files/3/9/4/WAR_Zealot.jpg

[Vervayne]

Zealots are oozing with depth. To play one optimally will probably be over the heads of most average gamers, and that's what makes them so delicious.
Not only do they have very intriguing abilities, but they look psychotic as well, giving them great personality.

Best class design yet imo.

[Cephei]

I think it's because the description is rather shady and harder to understand than the straightforward dps classes.
(The choppa - he chops! The bright wizzard - he burns! The witchhunter - He stabs your back and shoots you in the face!)
But I also see a lot of potential in this class.
I have the feeling that it's going to be a bit like the paladin and warlock in early WoW: seams gimped at first but if you master them - and maybe after some tweaking - they're going to be pretty OP.
Just a feeling though.

[Nihilist]

I like classes that look hard to play, and take a bit of skill to master, and Zealot seems like that kind of class. Plus you carry around a skull, how badass is that.?

[Aaronthethird]

I think a big reason the zealot is not getting as much buzz is because they lack the lore that so many of the other classes have. I also think we haven't seen as much high level armor for them, the only concept art for high end armor for them that I've seen at all is http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=859&c=3
I think once people see that they will look cooler than a crazy, hunchbacked, homeless guy wearing fluffy underpants, people will be more interested in trying them. And if you don't think looks effect people's interest in a class, just imagine how much less interest there would be in Chosen or Witch Hunters if they looked like the Zealot models we've seen.

[Cephei]

I think once people see that they will look cooler than a crazy, hunchbacked, homeless guy wearing fluffy underpants, people will be more interested in trying them.

NO! I want them to look like crazy homeless guys! :mrgreen:

[Skage]

Lol. It just goes to show you that not just anyone can play a Zealot, then if they're so complex the way people say. Which is why, when you see a badass Zealot walking your way while playing your little Empire character...and you know he knows what he's doing, then you'd better have some back up.

The poll the thread creator linked I picked Zealot because I didn't realize it said "LEAST favorite" until after I hit "vote". Lolz.

Also, to all the people who said the Zealot is ugly: War isn't supposed to be a fashion show like World of Blizzardcraft. The Zealot was designed to be the craziest psychopath you'd ever want to see who is so much more futher into Chaos than any of his or her brethren.

I think it's a very original class and I want to play it ASAP.

[Pedro]

think ppl dont like zealots cause:

1.- lack of lore (mentioned above)
2.- lack or no armor (so far as we know)
3.- only able to use dagger and a skull glued to his hand (teehee :D )
4.- they are being labeled as the chaos "healers", and that stick makes the class unatractive cause ppl don't like healing, just do uber dmg and way uber dmg (and they cry when they get no heals of course)

as an old friend once said "it takes special ppl to be healers, it's not something you want, it's something you are" Tesa- Kay Daoc and im darn proud to be a healer :)

[Crazy ol' dude]

think ppl dont like zealots cause:

1.- lack of lore (mentioned above)
2.- lack or no armor (so far as we know)
3.- only able to use dagger and a skull glued to his hand (teehee :D )
4.- they are being labeled as the chaos "healers", and that stick makes the class unatractive cause ppl don't like healing, just do uber dmg and way uber dmg (and they cry when they get no heals of course)
1) Not 100% true, we know about "shamans of chaos", they have been mentioned at least in liber chaotica, will post links/quotes when i find it
2) no armor is only for newb levels, as in every other career :) and almost all, if not all, of Zealot videos are with newb zealots in it ;p they have armor, more and better of course as they level up, just check out T4 armor
3) Not true, we have seen videos with Zealots with staffs and on the T4 concept, on the right, we can see different types of off-hands :) And they can hide that skull aswell as dagger, at least in some videos it was shown that it's possible
4) True :)

Also, to all the people who said the Zealot is ugly: War isn't supposed to be a fashion show like World of Blizzardcraft.Heh, but it is to some point, like in every other RPG ;p A LOT of people want to play Chosens and Witch Hunters only because they look cool, they have cool weapons etc etc. Yes, Zealot is a crazy psychopath, he has to be. That's why he's considered "ugly" and "strange" or "wierd", he has to look somewhat "ugly" and "wierd" to make people think "this guy is ****ed up 0.o" when they see him. That's the main reason most folks don't like him imo :)

And i disagree that Zealot is a complicated career, he may sound like that NOW, but later when we'll get a clear view on all of his gimmicks&abilities, it won't be a problem to understand his playstyle to its fullest and most likely will draw more people to this class.

I see great potential in the Zealot that will be hard to reveal tho :twisted:
oh, and GIVE BETAAAAAAAAAA!

[Skage]

1) Not 100% true, we know about "shamans of chaos", they have been mentioned at least in liber chaotica, will post links/quotes when i find it
2) no armor is only for newb levels, as in every other career :) and almost all, if not all, of Zealot videos are with newb zealots in it ;p they have armor, more and better of course as they level up, just check out T4 armor
3) Not true, we have seen videos with Zealots with staffs and on the T4 concept, on the right, we can see different types of off-hands :) And they can hide that skull aswell as dagger, at least in some videos it was shown that it's possible
4) True :)

Heh, but it is to some point, like in every other RPG ;p A LOT of people want to play Chosens and Witch Hunters only because they look cool, they have cool weapons etc etc. Yes, Zealot is a crazy psychopath, he has to be. That's why he's considered "ugly" and "strange" or "wierd", he has to look somewhat "ugly" and "wierd" to make people think "this guy is ****ed up 0.o" when they see him. That's the main reason most folks don't like him imo :)

And i disagree that Zealot is a complicated career, he may sound like that NOW, but later when we'll get a clear view on all of his gimmicks&abilities, it won't be a problem to understand his playstyle to its fullest and most likely will draw more people to this class.

I see great potential in the Zealot that will be hard to reveal tho :twisted:
oh, and GIVE BETAAAAAAAAAA!

Lol you're probably right. People just don't like him 'cause he's messed up. I really, really enjoyed the animations video though...that showed him running. I love the whole "hunched over" feel to him when he's running. Dunno why...but it's just sweet to watch.

[Crazy ol' dude]

Lol you're probably right. People just don't like him 'cause he's messed up. I really, really enjoyed the animations video though...that showed him running. I love the whole "hunched over" feel to him when he's running. Dunno why...but it's just sweet to watch.Heh, i love these animations too, they did great job making ZLs ;d watch this if you haven't yet, you can see here jumping, standing, running and falling animations -> http://war.curse.com/videos/details/513/ It's the "Scenarios Work in Progress" video from the waaagh

[Atavistic]

zealot is in my opinion the coolest chaos class out there, I'm one of those people who WANT to look like I've been dragged through a hedge backwards, tarred and feathered and inexplicably gone bat *expletive denoting faeces* crazy!

definately alt material :)

[Crazy ol' dude]

So ZL lore here:
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7942 Thanks Estebar for posting this :)
Shaman of the tribes of the Great Eagle are both numerous and powerful – far more so than all the other northern tribes put together. These shaman are said to be the most puissant magic-users of their kind, able to spirit-walk to commune with daemons and their gods. My respected colleague, the patriarch of the College of Light, Verspasian Kant, tells me that the most successful of Tchar’s shaman go on to become some of the most dangerous Chaos sorcerers ever to have pitted themselves against the lands of men, and that they pose one of the greatest threats to the security of our great Empire. Woe betide us when these terrible men ride forth
:twisted::twisted::twisted: ;)

[Axxar]

Also, to all the people who said the Zealot is ugly: War isn't supposed to be a fashion show like World of Blizzardcraft. The Zealot was designed to be the craziest psychopath you'd ever want to see who is so much more futher into Chaos than any of his or her brethren.I agree, he's supposed to look hideous. I just personally don't find the look of him something that appeals to me playing as. Which is fine. I'm sure many will find it cool and play him - just as lots of people played undead in WoW though they are quite hideous to look at. Also I must say the high tier armour concept art does make him a lot cooler than he is at his first level.

[Koldria]

I'll be playing a zealot as my main because:

1) Although I wasn't originally familiar with the Warhammer Lore, the more I've read, the more I like the history of Chaos.
2) Even though I like playing melee and ranged dps classes, I really like playing support classes too.
3) I love the female zealot's design, especially the tier 4 design.
4) The zealot (although this could be said for all of the healing classes in the game) sounds like something I've wanted for a very long time now. A healing class that can do considerable damage as well.

The chance to heal and kick butt and strike fear into my enemies by appearance alone...I'm definitely creating a zealot. :D

[Pedro]

1) Not 100% true, we know about "shamans of chaos", they have been mentioned at least in liber chaotica, will post links/quotes when i find it
2) no armor is only for newb levels, as in every other career :) and almost all, if not all, of Zealot videos are with newb zealots in it ;p they have armor, more and better of course as they level up, just check out T4 armor
3) Not true, we have seen videos with Zealots with staffs and on the T4 concept, on the right, we can see different types of off-hands :) And they can hide that skull aswell as dagger, at least in some videos it was shown that it's possible
4) True :)

And i disagree that Zealot is a complicated career, he may sound like that NOW, but later when we'll get a clear view on all of his gimmicks&abilities, it won't be a problem to understand his playstyle to its fullest and most likely will draw more people to this class.




1.- well compared to the other classes there's a "lack" of it, not none at all :D
2.- recently saw that in an interview
3.- haven't seen those, gotta wait on more info or it was cause like that only since it was early beta and/or devs (who can super jump and fly :p )

I agree on Zealot being complicated atm...and well it prolly is at the b eginning for everyone, like every other class, once you get used to it, it's a walk in the park :)

[Tro]

Did you notice this here as well?
Not many people are crazy about Zealots - you can find it all around the forum with the latest poll (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15297) as some kind of confirmation.

By this I want to say that Im really glad. I like to play not overpopulated classes and I fancy this one, it is supercool :)


But the real question is - why do you think is that?

(edittypo)
WoW made healers look boring. no one wants to make healer only classes now

[blood beast]

I agree they arn't very popular but when you play 1 you will be wanted in groups and guilds and such because theirs not many of them,zealots rock!

[Auku]

I don't see why people don't want to play a pyscho crazy guy with daggers and skulls and stabby things with painful spells!

Zealots are not a healing class. There a class than CAN heal!

[Norick13]

Dunno about other people, but the more and more I see Zealots, and learn about their mechanics, the more and more I want to play one. Personally, the Magus, to me, looks like the most bland, boring Chaos career. I probably won't ever play a Magus...

[Norick13]

think ppl dont like zealots cause:

1.- lack of lore (mentioned above)
2.- lack or no armor (so far as we know)
3.- only able to use dagger and a skull glued to his hand (teehee :D )
4.- they are being labeled as the chaos "healers", and that stick makes the class unatractive cause ppl don't like healing, just do uber dmg and way uber dmg (and they cry when they get no heals of course)

as an old friend once said "it takes special ppl to be healers, it's not something you want, it's something you are" Tesa- Kay Daoc and im darn proud to be a healer :)


I know this post was made before the release of the new zealot concept art, but have you seen the new skull the guy is holding?!@ It has something like 6-7 eyes all over the face...it looks downright amazing....I'll agree with you thought...having the healer lable really puts people off of classes, who are coming from WoW....but I guess not myself...I played a feral druid...druids are considered healers right? Feral was awesome...So, if specialization is really as good as their claiming in this game then Zealot is going to be a ton of fun...


Zealots just keep looking cooler and cooler in my opinion.

[Nihilist]

have you seen the new skull the guy is holding?!@ It has something like 6-7 eyes all over the face...

Actually no, i haven't... where is it?

[Crazy ol' dude]

Actually no, i haven't... where is it?
http://war.onlinewelten.com/uploads/gallery/7/pic-1147.jpg This one i think, haven't found any other pic with zealot's skull with more than 2 eyes, but maybe i missed something

[Nihilist]

Ya, the skull just looks duplicated because the picture was probably taken while he was moving it or something.

[Norick13]

when I get home I'll dig around till I find the picture, and post it here. I remember it being some of the new concept art, it might even be on this site where ever they keep the concept art. Don't worry thought, it actually looks really cool, and judging by how the skull is starting to vary, they will probably add some cool skins to the skulls to keep it from getting boring :wink:

[Eisenban]

Do I understand it right, I am going to be able to summon crows/ravens to swarm around my enemies? Sign me up right now. Zealot is my choice.

[JonnyWarhawk]

The males look slightly lame imo. It's fitting but just not spectacular like the rest of the classes on Chaos. The females look pretty cool, however.

[silex]

The males look slightly lame imo. It's fitting but just not spectacular like the rest of the classes on Chaos. The females look pretty cool, however.I thought they matched the rest of Chaos pretty well, actually. What I assume you're mainly talking about is the tier 1 look. I haven't seen a T1 Marauder, but the T1 Chosen looks like just a random guy with an axe and the T1 Magus looks like a unarmored Average Joe riding on a floating disc. The Zealot hunched over with a knife fits in fairly well, I think.

It's not until T4 that the classes really become their true selves - the Chosen entirely encased in plate armor, the Magus with the horned helmet, etc. And the Zealot matches pretty well there (face totally obscured in shadow).

[chesman]

The zealot is definitely going to be the career I play first. I come from a wow background (70 Priest, 70 Pala, 60 Druid and 50 Shaman... see a pattern here?). I got a bit bored with always standing at the back spamming heal spells. The problem is that when I try a non-healing class, and me and my buddies get into a tight scrape, I miss being the guy that saves the day. My favourite class I've played so far is probably the Enhancement Shaman. I can dps at the front and still heal a little if I have to.

I'm hoping that the zealot will be the class that I could never quite find in WoW. One that can kick AND save the day when required. :D

TBH, if I enjoy the mechanics of the class, I couldn't care less what he looks like. Although I actually quite like the zealot's looks.

[Commentaris]

The males look slightly lame imo. It's fitting but just not spectacular like the rest of the classes on Chaos. The females look pretty cool, however.
you might be looking at the slightly old screenshots, with mister mullet and his Hetfield beard.

this
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=859&c=3
is what Zealots actually look like now. both male and female equally cool

[Auku]

you might be looking at the slightly old screenshots, with mister mullet and his Hetfield beard.

this
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=859&c=3
is what Zealots actually look like now. both male and female equally cool

Although ALL the screen shots are with mister mullet and his hetfield beard...

[etherealchains]

Definitely looking forward to playing the zealot myself. I like being able to toss off heals when needed and still be able to damage... this type of healer seems more my style, although have thought about playing the goblin shaman, but still like the zealot style.. course we shall see if that sticks when I actually start playing the game lol.

[Commentaris]

Although ALL the screen shots are with mister mullet and his hetfield beard...
which are all placeholder graphics.

all the newer videos show the zealot armour as per the link i provided

[Loekii]

Speaking for myself, I want to want to play a zealot, but I am just put off by how 'narrow' the class looks.

I am not crazy about the idea of playing a crazy speedmetal reject.

If they can can improve the graphic options a bit -- offer some broader range of character graphics and styles, and offer some better combat animaitons -- they might get more people attracted to the class.

I am not saying they have done a bad job, but rather they have created something too specific. It appeals only to those that want that specific look. It is like haggus (sp) -- those that love it, love it, but the average person is Meh about it.

[ChosenOne]

Remember one thing. Right now the major characteristic people are looking at when they say which class they like is purely looks.

That will change in game when we begin to see how these classes work in the thick of battle.

I personally believe at the beginning there wont be a lot of zealots. That puts the few players that play them in a very good position. Those that learn to play this class well and use a varied approach instead of always playing it the same way will find themselves heavily desired by guilds and groups both. As this class becomes needed more and more by the higher ranked guilds you will find more people making alts for this class. You see that in other MMO's and that will be the same here.

The zealot class can be an amazing boost for the group and thats always wanted. Looking to make alot of friends quickly? Go zealot.

[Tyurion]

zealots are covered by the fluff. every time a bit of chaos lore is out theres always a zealot gets the big bad guys summoned. So there u heavy armored buggers without these plucky little goths u wudnt even be on this dimension!

[Loekii]

Too bad they could not offer beastmen-type toons instead of Lemmy.

Actually, I do hope they do some things to liven up the zealot -- unless the current crazed-rocker is what they want the zealot to be.

[ChosenOne]

When people see them played by players who know how to maximize them fully then all of a sudden people wont care so much what they look like.

Its pretty hard to base an opinion on them at this point on anything else but look and the limited looks we have had at their capability thus far.

Later on when their worth is proven it will be pretty hard to judge them solely on how they look.

[Scerce]

Too bad they could not offer beastmen-type toons instead of Lemmy.

Actually, I do hope they do some things to liven up the zealot -- unless the current crazed-rocker is what they want the zealot to be.

They could do some really neato things with equipment if they really wanted. My greatest wish is some sort of hollowed-out ram's head as a helmet. A big Baphomet thing with six curled horns and all that. Barely-altered animals worn as helmets scare the crap out of me. They'd also go a long way towards giving the appearance of beastmen, which in itself is worth at least 50 points of awesome.

[Gemini]

I think the crazed rocker look is what they are going for the lower teirs. A man driven mad with chaos powers that he does not understand or control yet. But if you look at this (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/files/3/9/4/WAR_Zealot.jpg) image it shows more of a proper cultist sort of look, much more in control and less insane.

I imagine, and hope, that is how it will go: Low level Zealots will look insane and feral, and as they learn to understand and cope with the powers which the Raven God grants them, they become more controlled and calculating, but every bit as brutally effective.

[Ho Theos]

I think the crazed rocker look is what they are going for the lower teirs. A man driven mad with chaos powers that he does not understand or control yet. But if you look at this (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/files/3/9/4/WAR_Zealot.jpg) image it shows more of a proper cultist sort of look, much more in control and less insane.

I imagine, and hope, that is how it will go: Low level Zealots will look insane and feral, and as they learn to understand and cope with the powers which the Raven God grants them, they become more controlled and calculating, but every bit as brutally effective.

Look at that armour, and TELL me they are not awesome...The spikey bits on the shoulders are knives, The fetish filled belt, The bird hat. And totally agree with Gemini. It shows a progression from the religious fervor, to one who is much more in control. Much more able to spread the word of Tzeentch.

[Loekii]

I believe Gemini is correct, but I am still not crazy about that description (I am more of a Chaos is another alternative 'Neutral' nation - Barbarians vs Rome-- , rather than Crazy evil corruption fighting against the pure light of the eternally good Empire -- LoTR). :(

As for the end armour, yes that looks great, but again, I think it will look bland once we see it for the 100x, or see a squad of 15 Zealots all dressed exactly the same in it.

For myself, ideally, I would like to see say '3 different' types of Zealots -- ie Crazy, calculating, sadistic -- each with different looks, so that in a Tier 4 Squad assualting the Empire Capitol, you would see 3 different variations of the concept armour -- reflecting the different choices the players made.

I feel that the armour and the class is appearing too linear -- which might apply to all classes in the game.

[Gemini]

As for the end armour, yes that looks great, but again, I think it will look bland once we see it for the 100x, or see a squad of 15 Zealots all dressed exactly the same in it.



Can't that be said about any set of armor? And considering the 22 armor sets plus all the non-set pieces, the trophies, the armor dyes, and whatever other customization they have for us, I don't expect you'll ever seen a sqaud of 15 anythings with the exact same look.

[Tbaism]

Being a future Chosen upon the release, I simply don't see them as being that popular myself. I have heard they may get some badass looking gear and little accessories, but I don't care for Zealots myself. It is the walk in my opinion, and anyone hwo walks and swings their body in any such fashion, should never be popular.

Being a Chosen, I know for damn sure my class will be overpopulated, as in any significant tank class, so it matters not to me. I aready have hard enough times getting groups as they are, simply because I tend to procrastinate, but I don't want my alt, or alts alt, or alts alts alt, to be overpopulated as well. Sooner or later they will be, but until the time, comes, I am silently excited that the Zealot looks like sh** and will be treated like it for the time being. For once I may be able to get a character to the lvl cap without it being overplayed and unwanted.

[Gemini]

Recent poll, maybe from a month ago or so? I'll try to find it after breakfast, but it showed of the 5 support classes we have so far, Zealot was the most popular on these boards. I think it went Zealot, Shaman, WP, Archmage, RP in terms of popularity.

EDIT: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20305&highlight=melee+healer

[Tbaism]

Recent poll, maybe from a month ago or so? I'll try to find it after breakfast, but it showed of the 5 support classes we have so far, Zealot was the most popular on these boards. I think it went Zealot, Shaman, WP, Archmage, RP in terms of popularity.

EDIT: http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20305&highlight=melee+healer

As much as I would enjoy acknowledging those results, as the most significant predection upon the release date, I simply won't. Why? Well, since there are not many more than 300 votes, I see it as doubtful that they would reflect the comunity as a whole. I still wouldn't suspect it to be the outcome, even if the majority of the community were to say that, even up until the release date. Why? Because who in their right mind would actually want to make a zealot, right after a few thousand or hundred thousand just said they were going to?

[Gemini]

As much as I would enjoy acknowledging those results, as the most significant predection upon the release date, I simply won't. Why? Well, since there are not many more than 300 votes, I see it as doubtful that they would reflect the comunity as a whole. I still wouldn't suspect it to be the outcome, even if the majority of the community were to say that, even up until the release date. Why? Because who in their right mind would actually want to make a zealot, right after a few thousand or hundred thousand just said they were going to?

A lot of people, myself included, could care less if the class I like will ve overplayed or not. And honestly I don't think the Zealot will be, or any class really will be. And I'm not trying to show that come release the Zealot will be the most popular support class, just saying a lot of people seem to think they are very unpopular around here, and that is just not the case.

[Loekii]

That could be the case, and I definately leave room for the possibility that the zealot is not designed to appeal to 'me', but rather to 'other' players.

[ChosenOne]

Yet again, right now people are basing their opinions almost completely upon the look of a class. When game is released and we begin to see these classes played to their best potential by some players, the way the class is judged will sway from being purely about how it looks to a combination of that and its potential on the battlefield.

Yeah we might have a very slight idea of that now, its nothing compared to when you actually see one play by someone who has a good idea of how to play it.

So many people talk about certain classes and how many ways they can play it. If someone is looking for a single class with alot of diversity and different ways to play it then the zealot has to be on top of the list of classes that fit that description.

When people get over the ugliness of the class and see its true worth then I believe their will be plenty of new zealots made.


As far as the late game look goes we have only been shown one set of the high end equipment on them. Considering the variety of ways to play the zealot I would assume that would make the different sets and their attributes viable for use as much or moreso then any other class. So of all the classes I would say you are less likely to see every zealot identical in their armor.

[Tbaism]

A lot of people, myself included, could care less if the class I like will ve overplayed or not. And honestly I don't think the Zealot will be, or any class really will be. And I'm not trying to show that come release the Zealot will be the most popular support class, just saying a lot of people seem to think they are very unpopular around here, and that is just not the case.

There will always be a class overplayed, since that has usually always been the case. History repeats itself, and if various factors show that the Zealot or any other class is perhaps more favorable or has a great deal of positive gameplay, people will always want one. Whether it be an alt, main, or just the insignifcant character used to get a different feel, it will rack up like it always does. Yes, of course people don't care much about what others will play, but if it is in fact a great influence on gameplay, such as a character being over played, something will happen like it usually does. Raids, guilds etc., will always want something different than 50 tanks, and 40 healers. although I have no idea how that concept would actually be applied to WAR. Hmm, never thought of that really.

And so what if people base their opinions solely or more significantly on the characters looks. It is a fundamental principle that people choose, base, form opinons, mostly on personal desires. First and foremost would be the outward appearance. As chosen stated, there is no doubt that once the game has been released, when people got their little kicks fulfilled, that gameplay would be held in higher regards, or the mix of both. I don't expect the Zealot to be the popular in the beginning because of this, and by the time I reach endgame, I still hope it won't be, and I suspect it won't be. I am planning on making the mad dash first, in order to get the basic fundamentals down and known. Still, if the Zealot is that much of an intriguing, appealing, and overall great character to play, it will most likely jump up there to be number one or close to it. - I know full well you didn't mention this in your post.

If you are put in to a situation where you will recieve more backlash and negative effects than benefits, it is in the norm to usually question that. Overplayed classes will always bring this, one way over another. It is a concept that applies to just about anything, anywhere, anytime. And that poll holds almost no significance what so ever, since just about every class is equally liked, and only a probably only 1-2% is the difference. If you were going to find that actually relevant, you would want a poll that included everyone's opinion, not a fraction. What are you cross referencing that with or comparing that to? Isn't that poll for a support class anyways? Aren't you missing a few others in there? So again, what is the point is throwing that up for now?

Find the poll that shows not only the most recent results from every poll, but specifically the fluctuating results from every poll specified for this subject. That would probably get a better response.

I just suddenly came across this, so I thought it may be amusing to post. http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15297&page=6 I hope that comes out right.

Anyways, as you can see in this poll "What is your least favorite destruction class?", Zealot came in what place? From what I see, it came in last didnt it? Now, this isn't for every class, but is should suffice to say, it is pretty much unliked in this situation. Also, more people participated in this poll, and you can see a difference besides the 1% imbalance. By your logic, your concept, the Zealot is definentally unliked. In others words I am right in my observation.

[Cinnamonator]

I am willing to give the Zealot a shot.

Yes it looks and sounds sketchy. But everybody seems to be associating "sketchy" with "weak." I can appreciate the fear of the unknown. Coming off of years of WoW innovation in the genre, WAR does have a name to live up to and there will be many people coming to WAR with expectations and assumptions.

I'm venturing a guess to say that WAR will be incorporating many of the solid platforms that WoW developed but adding in it's own functionality that will differentiate it enough so that people can actually have fun and try something new.

A few people have said: "Why should we play a Zealot who heals a little, buffs a little, debuffs a little, and who knows if they nuke or not? Why not just play a class that nukes?"

Who said that there will even be a class that nukes in the way that you're thinking? Don't bring your preconceived notions from WoW into a new gaming experience. There may be a game mechanic out there that completely turns spellcasting and the strategies involved on it's ing head, leaving harbingers and symbols that the Zealot will cast to be absolutely devastating.

I just say: don't assume.

[Ukirii]

I just say: don't assume.

with that one little phrase. ALOT of people need to read that phrase, read it again read it some more and actully think about what they are reading. go to a MMO forum, just about any other MMO and someone you will find someone compairing that game to WoW in some means.

Most of us havnt played the beta and even if you have ALOT changes after and during beta. so what you know or think you know you might as well forget when the game goes live.

i know that zealots can heal, i know they can do damage. as much damage as a BW...prolly not but you never know. can they take as many hits as a BO once again prolly not. i do know just in general from many other MMOs and such, the "heal" and the "mage" types usualy have weak armor hit pretty hard. there is ALOT of other stuff WAR has put in this game to make your playing style YOUR playing style. you wanna be a 100% healer. you can. you wanna do more damage and less heals. you can. you wanna do one, one fight and switch for the next, you can (if your out of combat). dont just assume WAR's healers are gonna be lazy all i do is heal and heal and heal and buff and try not to get hit. if your gonna assume anything, assume that every class will have the means to fight and do it well against anyone or anything

[ungenius]

am i the only one that thinks of the chaos zealot kind of like grima wormtongue from lord of the rings? basically chaos has completely taken over his life, all they have is their faith in their god, i don't know if any of you read any hp lovecraft but the worshippers of cthulhu is what i think of with chaos zealots... they are so fanatical they don't care about their appearance etc because all that would just take them away from their devotion to their god.

i don't know how anyone will think that zealots will be unpopular.. if anything they are one of the more cool classes for chaos... just because they look like they are junkies who live on the street doesn't mean that they won't be popular... it will be their game mechanics and look that either draw people in to them or push them away, since i'll be there will be quite a few people who will just look at them vs the say chosen and be like 'the chosen looks so cool with his armor!' but there will also be people who will look at the zealot and be like 'that guy looks completely off his rocker thats awesome!'
remember its the people who look the most twisted and weak and disgusting that are the most powerful in books, movies etc... raistlin from dragonlance is a good example. because they gave up all that 'common folk' would never give up in order to get their power.

different strokes for different folks :)

[ChosenOne]

Well I certainly hope zealots arent underplayed and unpopular. We will need their terrain denying capabilities to push back the other side as well as to counter the runepriests ground runes of healing and power.

[Gemini]

Indeed, we gotta get a band of Zealots to lay rituals all around an objective we don't want to give up.

[Swarm]

ChosenOne's points are spot-on I think. Coming from WoW I can remember how much public opinion has swayed on what classes are useful and which are not, based not on nerfs or buffs but rather on individual player innovation and capability seeping into the general populace. I played a Hunter throughout that game, and the current capability of the class, ignoring added class abilities and changes, is far different then what people thought when the game first came out.

Initially I imagine the Zealot will feel lackluster, as his class mechanics are unusual and are most likely unfamiliar to most players just starting out. An Orc Choppa, on the other hand, is easier to grasp as to what a person is supposed to do; the pointy end goes into the other guy. The Zealot I think is less so. Also, as other people have said healer classes have always been underrepresented in MMO games, and Mythic's continued promises of their healer classes being different won't change that in my opinion, at least at first.

[Krazeboi]

Did you notice this here as well?
Not many people are crazy about Zealots - you can find it all around the forum with the latest poll (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15297) as some kind of confirmation.

By this I want to say that Im really glad. I like to play not overpopulated classes and I fancy this one, it is supercool :)


But the real question is - why do you think is that?

(edittypo)

1)I love unpopulated classes
2) I think its unpopular because of its strange playstyle...(I wont go into detail)

[Gemini]

Thing is, according to the last poll with all the support characters, Zealot wasn't the least popular but actually the most popular. Happened a month or two ago in general discussion.

[ChosenOne]

Thing is, according to the last poll with all the support characters, Zealot wasn't the least popular but actually the most popular. Happened a month or two ago in general discussion.

Yeah, alot of people assume its the least favorite due to how it looks compared to the other chaos classes. But those players who favor the gameplay of a character just as much if not more then the look are definately looking at the zealot. There are those that really like the look as well. Much moreso then the other chaos classes. Its probably the most human looking of the four. It definately has that crazy viking look.

[Xtragrind]

Recent poll, maybe from a month ago or so? I'll try to find it after breakfast, but it showed of the 5 support classes we have so far, Zealot was the most popular on these boards. I think it went Zealot, Shaman, WP, Archmage, RP in terms of popularity.

It doesn't surprise me that zealots will be the most popular in a poll on this forum.

However, most people here have played many MMOs and know from experience that the most messed up/odd character usually ends up being the most fun to play. I think when the game releases and you get all the players who haven't been following the game like many of us have, you'll find that initially Zealots will be one of the least played characters.

New players always gravitate towards the good guys and the classes that are the best looking or most powerful. I do think there are also going to be an awful lot of chosen running around because they look pretty awesome.

That's why with that other game, you had 5 billion pallys running around within the first couple weeks.

[Half]

I dont know about you guys, but Im the kind of person who enjoys winning, even though I didn't put the last nail in the coffin. Though I did hand the other guys the nails and the hammer, brought him water to drink and all that. I currently play a warlock in WoW and I like the amount of help I bring, 30 second lockdown on bandages, prevent one person from drinking(demon), spellocking, increasing casttimes, however, I would love to have some healing and stuff.

I have just now decided that my next serious MMO will be WAR. And when I looked for a class to play I wanted something that not necessarily could hold his own in a fight, but when played in a group would be completely devastating. So a warlock with healing and a few buffs. And I went looking through all the destruction descriptions (Order is not my thing). I found the Magus (sounds like a warlock on a disc to me), zealot, sounds like a warlock with buffs to me and shaman, sounds like a shaman to me. Then I came here, looked around and realized that Zealots were the Chaos healers. Brilliant.

So, I expect that a wellplayed Zealot will be worth a percentage of the amount of people in a fight if played right. For example, a healer in a fight healing for a total of 4 average player healthpools is worth those 4 healthpools worth of damage, if you can debuff 3 players to do 30% less damage, you just made the enemies one man less. Healing/buffing and interrupting/debuffing wins organized combat. Its as easy as that.

A fully defensive choosen/blackskin is also something that I think will be worth more than their weight in health/dps. But we have that covered.

Because despite all I have said about support classes, DPS is gold, Im just inflation, if there is enough DPS, Im worth more than another unit of DPS.

[Vervayne]

Their popularity will depend upon their usefulness to group rvr. If they are needed in groups, you'll see alot of them. If they aren't needed, you won't.

[R-dawg]

I do have to admit I was a bit put off by the physical look of the low tier zealot at first, but after seeing concept art, characters wearing armor in game, and the play style I just can't see myself playing anything else. I get the feeling my dislike was mainly due to the bearded model currently showed in all the gameplay videos, but with some customization added I'm sure there will be a look that suites me.

[Vonja]

Nah, the disciple is going to be MUCH more popular than the zealot.
It has the Dark Knight/Warlock/Shadow Priest look, which is going to draw in a lotta' people.

[Shadowdamon]

All shall be seen once released.

[Graven]

Even if it isn't very popular, the Zealot still remains one of the most interesting support classes, both in terms of game mechanics and appearance.

[Ripper2.0]

the Zealot is Rasputin on crack

[Turuk]

While there's a lot of art with the bald style, that one hair style with the crazy mountain man look sold me. Though I'm a little disappointed by the lack of info about spells involving attacking birds.

[FoulPet]

Out of all the Destruction healers Zealot would be the last on my list.

Shaman being first and and Disciple second.

Though this might change once characters are more defined but atm I don't see anything to change my mind.

[Montz]

never really looked into him, because in all movies from beta, he been looking like shiiit... was sure on trying runepriest first....

but then yesterday i tumbled over sum video at youtube... with high lvl gear... and he actually looked dope...

so now im in a BIG dilemma

[Wosk]

Zealot caught my eye when the career was first announced, and it will be the first class I try when (and if) this game ever comes out. I was already planning to play a healer because I enjoy healing in PvP (it's a lot more reactive than PvE heal spam) and the mechanics sounded interesting. When looking at other support classes like the shaman, I think they are too straight forward to keep my interest. I want something that is interesting and has enough varied play options that I'm not going to be looking to make alts until my days played are climbing the double digits. The shaman sounds like it will do much the same thing in every situation, and be very effective at doing it. The shaman will be going nuke-nuke-heal regardless of who he is up against. The zealot sounds like he is going to have to be very situationally aware and adjust play style to fit the needs of the occasion. Weighing the pros and cons of different debuffs vs just going for numbers on damage or healing. If that turns out to be true, it will keep me playing for a lot longer.

That being said, I don't think the zealot will be one of the most popular careers. Many people (mostly casual players who will never post here) choose their characters based entirely on the character creation screen. A lot of people are not going to know or care about the lore, and are not going to research career mechanics before choosing. They will just log in look at the zealot and go "Ew that's ugly."

Support classes also tend to be less played simply because people like to show off and be in the center of things. Support classes turn the tide of battle, but they do so in a way that is almost invisible. You don't get hugh numbers, you don't top the damage meters, half the time people won't even be able to tell what you are doing. That is the nature of the buffer/debuffer. What you do makes everybody else hit harder and look better, but your contribution goes unrecorded because it's not numbers based. I enjoy playing support/healers and being the one to turn defeat into victory time and again, but it still annoys me how few people realize that they won because I healed them.

[Moridan]

I prefer to play the under-played classes as well, all the better to stand out! :p Why be one of a bagillion witch elfs when you can one of only a few bare-chested freaks with pointy teeth.

Now, I have always played the DPS type toons in the 10+ years I have in MMOs, I like the big damage numbers, but now in a game that focuses so much on PvP I think I will try and shift my mind set. DPS only lasts so long, healers tend to be able to survive longer (if played smart).

Also, most casual players tend to play dps because if you only have a short time to play the game the last thing you want to be doing is "supporting" others. You want to get in and kick . Well, these people will need someone to keep them alive so thats where I will come in.

Finally, the last few MMOs I have played have been ruled by classes that could heal. Most of the time, healers were able to do almost as much damage as dps classes and then heal themselves. I hope WAR balances this out some but I still expect smart, well-played healers to rock the battlefield.

[GargoreSeaworth]

Also, most casual players tend to play dps because if you only have a short time to play the game the last thing you want to be doing is "supporting" others. You want to get in and kick . Well, these people will need someone to keep them alive so thats where I will come in.
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While I agree with this, I would also have you consider the fact of grabbing a group and starting some carnage. I've played healers in MMO's for ~10 years. Sometimes playing pretty hardcore(before my wife!) and sometimes very casual(after I met my wife!). I would currently call myself a casual gamer. As a healer/support class, getting a group has always seemed easier to do than a DPS class. Think back in your 10 years, how many times have you sat around wishing you could find a healer and get going?

In conclusion, it does come back to being all about me and ego. I can log in, and being a healer, almost always be assured to find a spot somewhere. I look forward to seeing you all on the battlefields destroying those not worthy of their souls.

Gargore Seaworth

[Moridan]

While I agree with this, I would also have you consider the fact of grabbing a group and starting some carnage. I've played healers in MMO's for ~10 years. Sometimes playing pretty hardcore(before my wife!) and sometimes very casual(after I met my wife!). I would currently call myself a casual gamer. As a healer/support class, getting a group has always seemed easier to do than a DPS class. Think back in your 10 years, how many times have you sat around wishing you could find a healer and get going?

In conclusion, it does come back to being all about me and ego. I can log in, and being a healer, almost always be assured to find a spot somewhere. I look forward to seeing you all on the battlefields destroying those not worthy of their souls.

Gargore Seaworth

Absolutely. But it depends on the type of game. In WoW, everyone could solo to max level so finding a healer to go out and do something wasnt that important, unless you were talking about a long duration instance. Now, games like EQ and many others, you couldnt get past lvl 20 or whatever without a healer.

I am still not sure how WAR will pan out, but I have a feeling that the class dependency will be similar to WoW.

[GargoreSeaworth]

Absolutely. But it depends on the type of game. In WoW, everyone could solo to max level so finding a healer to go out and do something wasnt that important, unless you were talking about a long duration instance. Now, games like EQ and many others, you couldnt get past lvl 20 or whatever without a healer.

I am still not sure how WAR will pan out, but I have a feeling that the class dependency will be similar to WoW.

I guess I was considering more of the long run instances and PvP more than soloing. Most chumps can grind themselves to max level. Finding a healer with a clue could always be a challenge. Establishing yourself as a healer with a couple of functioning braincells made most games a lot of fun because you ended up on a lot of friends lists, and could go out and do just about anything you wanted, may it be an instance grind or PvP. As well, if you only had a short amount of time, asking friends for help usually gets a quick response because people always wanted to keep the healers(and tanks) happy.;-)

Now that I've gotten off the topic of the OP, lets bring it back a bit. I do think the fact that the Zealot will need to multi-task and make quick quick decisions will probably scare some people away, because its not just a "pick a target and mash your DPS keys" class. I'm awfully excited to try this class because I'll have to be quick on my toes AND if I can do it well, I'm sure I'll be able to make some new friends.(Which is probably the most important part of an MMO, playing with fun people that can play well.) Crap, I'm off topic again.

[Moridan]

I completely agree.

I normally multi-task continually at work but I wont be TOO difficult. :eek:

One thing that concerns me about the Zealot from what I have seen on the videos is the casting of Harbinger is an AoE you place on the ground. Is that correct? It seems like that itself will become very difficult to get right in PvE and especially PvP.

But then, the more difficult the class, the wider the gap between good players that take the time to learn everything about their class, and the rest of the nubs.

[Gemini]

One thing that concerns me about the Zealot from what I have seen on the videos is the casting of Harbinger is an AoE you place on the ground. Is that correct? It seems like that itself will become very difficult to get right in PvE and especially PvP.




No, the Harbinger is a single-target cast, what your seeing the Dark Rituals, which are ground-based AoE spells. In PvE I think it'd be rather easy, but it around your tank (or whoever accidently drew aggro). For PvP, you can put it around yourself if your getting beat on, or around whoever is being harassed by melee players. You can also put it on a capture point or choke point, or just throw it randomly wherever people are.

[Moridan]

Thanks for the clarification Gemeni.

[Aaronthethird]

As someone who is definitely going to play a healer at release and is currently leaning towards Shaman, I can tell you that one of the reasons I am more interested in the Shaman than the Zealot is, from what we know so far, the Shaman seems to be more balanced between healing and offense. The Zealot, and again this is just based on the small amount of info we have right now, seems to be the Destruction equivalent of the Runepriest; the more traditional healer with healing spells and some buffs/debuffs, who doesn't have to deal with any sort of mechanic (such as Waaagh for the Shaman) to cast his heals. And, again speaking for myself, I don't want to be forced into the healbot role just because my class has no mechanic to encourage other aspects of the class such as damage, so I will take the Shaman and accept that occassionally a group might take a Zealot over me if the choice presents itself.

And also, just from a purely aesthetic point of view, Zealots look kind of weird and decrepit, while the Shaman look devious and destructive. If everything was equal I would choose Shaman just for the look.

[Swiftblades]

And its exactly that balance of shaman wich frightends me, and makes me lean towards Zealot. As far I can judge now, the shaman offensive spells seem a bit all of the same. Also I'm afraid of the no - waagh ally low health and will die - situation. The heals of shaman will be less effective/take longer without waagh. But we'll see how it turns about to be. I think I"ll create a shaman alt anyway :)
That said, I don't mind being busy with mostly healing. For the Zealot, its up to the Zealot to make it more challenging. The Zealot can decide wether he will buff here and there, or cast a dark ritual. Multi tasking as described above, seems great.

[lindhsky]

When I read what someone that played at PAX said about the Zealot class I got very interested. You have probably read it already, but I am new here, so what do I know. :)

Zealot- Hands down, my favorite class not just in this game, but in any MMO from UO to date. We've all heard Mythic talk about how casters will be able to hold their own in melee, and I'm sure that like me, you've smiled politely while thinking to yourself "BS." However, 5 minutes into playing my level 21 Zealot, I had an epiphany - they're not just capable of holding their own in melee. They're bloody freaking good at it. I'm not talking about taking hits on the chin, ripping your opponents to shreds. That's far too simplistic. Zealots, on the other hand, are one of the most beautifully innovative and complex careers in recent memory. The Harbinger I was most fond of reduces all damage done by a whopping 25%. After that, I'd put down a ritual which debuffed opponents considerably. Predictably, a melee class would charge at me, and get hit with a debuff the second they entered the ritual circle. My own buff, a Mark of Chaos, boosts my fighting skills by a good amount. The speed with which I was able to drop enemies with auto-attack after my debuffs, buffs, and DoTs were stacked was pretty surprising. I barely even needed to heal. There were also some very powerful nukes (my eyes popped out of my skull when I saw the numbers on the Tier 3 morale ability for the zealot, I can't remember what it was called, but goddamn that thing was amazing), most of them in the Morale section. It's not that the Zealot is any better at melee combat than any other caster, but didn’t seem nearly as prone to interrupts. As of now, it's definitely my career of choice - hopefully Black Guard will be up to the task of luring me away once I get to try them out. If they end up being as cool as the Zealot, there's a good chance I'll be playing this game for years to come.

Found it here http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16144

[Mercer7]

Not the red headed step child.. more like the Quazimotto. :p

I think if it is lesser played, it will only make them that much more valuable to a party.

As I believe someone was saying.

[Iwaxmybelly]

I really don't like the zealot look in tier 1 but when I saw the zealots in the Video of the month that showed a minute of RvR battle I knew I wanted to play that character. I really can't resist anything that has a hood. I am so gonna dye that hood black :p

[exx]

my class is between zealot or shaman depending on the masteries of the shaman and the spells in each line

i think the zealot is going to be a really good buff/debuff/healer where as the shaman will probly be a dmg/healer since the greenskins range dps seems to be the weakest range dps of the distruction side shaman being able to add a bit to the range dps would make sence.

thats just speculation..unless they get really creative with bow skills, just seems a bow user will have way less utility and dps combinations as to a pure spell caster...but who knows

[Raxle]

my class is between zealot or shaman depending on the masteries of the shaman and the spells in each line

i think the zealot is going to be a really good buff/debuff/healer where as the shaman will probly be a dmg/healer since the greenskins range dps seems to be the weakest range dps of the distruction side shaman being able to add a bit to the range dps would make sence.

thats just speculation..unless they get really creative with bow skills, just seems a bow user will have way less utility and dps combinations as to a pure spell caster...but who knows

Have you seen videos of the Squig Herder? o.O

They freaking own.

[xMUMINx]

That being said, I don't think the zealot will be one of the most popular careers. Many people (mostly casual players who will never post here) choose their characters based entirely on the character creation screen. A lot of people are not going to know or care about the lore, and are not going to research career mechanics before choosing. They will just log in look at the zealot and go "Ew that's ugly."

When I saw the Zealot the first timme I thought "whow, thats black metal! I'm going to play that one" ^^

[Crash250f]

well bar the fact i'm not big on chaos i think the zealot is in that terrible area between ok looking and really ugly. The result is you have a character that looks ugly but not ugly enough to warrant it.

Also they walk funny and haven't got the backstory in the lore like those that have minitures/fluff beforehand.

Still i'm sure there will be a few of them about (hey i might even play em if they are really underplayed)

I think they look awesome, run awesome, and have awesome animations :(

[Memnos]

I love the Zealots. With Healing granting Renown -and- killing granting renown, I've already figured out what I want:

1) I'm going to spend my Renown points on Toughness and Armor. That's right. I'm gonna be walking around with robes and +900 points of armor. I love the idea of having bladeproof skin!

2) I'm going to concentrate on Buff/Debuff and Healing in terms of skills.

The way I'm planning on playing, I'm gonna buff myself crazily and debuff them, then run in with my Super Mega-awesome Renown abilities(Which I can max out on by running through fights, randomly healing like a coward and debuffing enemies until I get a few points under my belt) and shank people in the kidney at the end. I just need to take the survival renown things to live long enough to debuff them to non-existence.

[Nightz]

Well i know what a debuff is but are there any that do dmg?

[Mimic]

Well i know what a debuff is but are there any that do dmg?

Where there is a will... there is a tactic.

Waves of Chaos: Your Dark Rituals will deal damage every second to all enemies within their area.
http://warhammerinfo.com/c-zealot.shtml

Hopefully it stays in the game because it sounds very yummy.

[Asmodean]

I do not mind the crazy heavy metal / rocker looks of the zealot. Quite the opposite. It makes me smile often because the zealot reminds me of (young) Meatloaf in the cult trash musical "The Rocky Horror Picture Show". Heck, put a dark elf ally next to the zealot and you suddenly have Eddie (aka Meatloaf) and Frank N. Furter (Tim Curry) :mrgreen:


Oh, and one question because I am pretty sure you have some more data than I have: Do you think the zealot is a good choice for someone who enjoys heavy debuffing/dotting classes over big number classes? The latter ones are bit too shallow for my taste.

[Swiftblades]

I think, yes it could be the class for you, keep in mind that you're still a support career, so the damage won't be comparable to say a 'normal' DD class. You might wanna take a look at Magus too, I think that will be a DoTing class also.

[Asmodean]

I think, yes it could be the class for you, keep in mind that you're still a support career, so the damage won't be comparable to say a 'normal' DD class. You might wanna take a look at Magus too, I think that will be a DoTing class also.

Thanks for the advice!

[Mustard]

Where there is a will... there is a tactic.

Waves of Chaos: Your Dark Rituals will deal damage every second to all enemies within their area.
http://warhammerinfo.com/c-zealot.shtml

Hopefully it stays in the game because it sounds very yummy.


This spell, absolutely MUST make it into the game.
Pretty much seals my fate as a zealot player.
Just sounds so. awesome.
(i know it will most likely not be a huge DOT but still. Just the concept has me shivering)

[elavro]

or what about Quelling Mists : Deals massive damage to your target
I think that'll hurt

[Circasurvive]

wait wait wait.... everyone is talking about them being fugly...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/Karihkinz/femalezealot.gif

No one thinks that looks cool?! I sure as hell do!

[elavro]

not enough chaos, yet ;)

[Aristae]

Um... I can think of one idea why some people would (or would not) pick this class. (Sorry I have to do it!)

Open an Art of a Zealot then open this! (http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=78273272&epmid=3&partner=Google)

I laughed when I saw this... I am not going to lie.

Anyway... I think that people are going to play the class that is most overpowered after the game has been out for a while... in the beginning it is just going to be the class that people decide to try out. Overpopulated or underpopulated... this is sounding to be one of the best classes, in my opinion, to say the least!

*edited to make the URL work I hope!

[Gemini]

When I click that picture all I get is the url in text form on the top of the page.

[ReflexiveAbyss]

I personally thought the Zealot looked fantastic. He is the fanatical follower of Tzeentch, and he wants to be like him like a Christian wants to be like Jesus. He wants to espouse all that Tzeentch is. Thats why he hunches when he walks. Thats why he wears feathers and deep hoods with faux bird beaks sticking out. Why he can harness the ability to will change onto the landscape with Tzeentch's blessing. They have devoted their existence to a higher cause, the furthering of chaos.

When I look at a Zealot, I dont see a "speedmetal reject" or however you want to coin the phrase. I dont see a "crazy hobo" I see a truely conditioned, devoted, cultist living on figurative bended knee to the great lord Tzeentch. :cool: