HE pet class

[LookinGreen]

WHA: Does the Alliance of Order have a pet based class?
Mythic: There is a pet based career for the High Elfs.Source (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/articles/showentry.php?e=61)


So I guess I was wrong when I was saying all this time that Order would not be receiving a pet class. Any guesses as to what it might be? From a lore stand point what is most likely or is it going to be something new like the zealot?

[Gemini]

I am boggled. I admit my high elf knoweldge is lacking more than of the other 5 races in WAR, but... a pet class? Really? Maybe they lied to trick us...

[Ruben Plooster]

Dragons perhaps.. I am at a loss what else it could be. Maybe the army book will illuminate me.
edit:
Eagles are a strong contender too.

[LookinGreen]

Ya I was surprised when I read that. I have no idea what it could be but I am kind of disappointed. I was hoping they would not make another pet class making the Squig Herder more unique.

[Gemini]

But aren't warhammer dragons like amazingly ultra powerful beasts that kill everything? I mean, scaling a chosen to meet a squig herder is one thing, but scaling down a dragon to the point where it AND the player itself are only as powerful as the other classes? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong about how powerful dragons are...

[senmance]

Either the Mage will have some sort of summoned elemental or they'll make Shadow Warriors the standard archer + pet combo. But who knows, maybe they'll do something bizarre and out of the ordinary and make a White Lions melee tank with a pet career which would be interesting (they are great outdoorsman, after all.)

I doubt they'll do something with Dragons considering how rare they are at this point, but who knows... I was hoping for no pet career really (too attractive a career, and High Elves don't need to be more attractive really.)

[Kerveth]

They could make it so White Lions have,well, Lions.
Or maybe give Mages a familiar like an Eagle.
But I reckon we'll see a new class.

[Petzen]

There is a unit called White Lion so High Elves must know what Lions are, so perhaps they have tamed some ... :rolleyes:

EDIT: Damn Kerveth beat me to it ....

[senmance]

There is a unit called White Lion so High Elves must know what Lions are, so perhaps they have tamed some ... :rolleyes:

Well maybe they would... if they weren't too busy killing them in the ceremonial rite of passage. :P

[Ruben Plooster]

But aren't warhammer dragons like amazingly ultra powerful beasts that kill everything? I mean, scaling a chosen to meet a squig herder is one thing, but scaling down a dragon to the point where it AND the player itself are only as powerful as the other classes? I dunno, maybe I'm wrong about how powerful dragons are...

I was thinking young dragons.. but I am probably wrong. Eagles seem the most likely after that. Or halflings.

[Rivers]

I'm expecting either Mage with elemental familiars or Shadow Warrior with eagles. Even with White Lions having lions any High Elf class with a pet seems to be a bit of a lore stretch.

[Grrblt]

The under-development tabletop rules for High Elves include the new unit Lion chariot, pulled by two actual lions. If I had to guess on anything, and I guess I do since it's confirmed now, my guess would be on something to do with lions.


As far as the old White Lion unit goes, they go by that name because they must kill a white lion to... graduate, for a lack of better word.

[Nicx950]

I was thinking young dragons.. but I am probably wrong. Eagles seem the most likely after that. Or halflings.

I'd wager dragons are out of the question. Way too powerful.

I'm still thinking white lions with tamed lions or some other class with an eagle. But now that the squig herder has only one pet out at a time, maybe they'll have a multi-pet class with the High Elves. Purely speculation though, but would be fine to see at least some difference in the pet classes.

Maybe, as others have suggested, make the pet class fit into the melee dps or tank class, that would indeed differentiate it enough for me.

Still, if an elf should have a pet, it should've been a dark elf, IMO... I can see they want balance and whatnot, but eh... would be way cooler...

[Vit]

I stated like 1 year ago - summoning few kind of elementals for mage (HE mages can control many winds of magic). I guessed nothing for Dark Elves. And that's still my vote now, nothing changed :) Summons for HE mages.

[Vikingkingq]

This seems like such a bad idea, IMO. Pet classes are very hard to make "not crap," and in order to have them for High Elves you'd have to either shoehorn them into existing careers or create a new one when there are better choices already in existance.

[Nerothos]

This seems like such a bad idea, IMO. Pet classes are very hard to make "not crap," and in order to have them for High Elves you'd have to either shoehorn them into existing careers or create a new one when there are better choices already in existance.

I agree.

Eagles, at least normal ones that would be widely available to Shadow Warriors, would be nothing more than distractions.

White Lions don't tame lions, they kill them. The exception would be ringing in a few for a Chariot.

The only plausible thing that would have some sort of pet would be a Mage with Elemental Summons, but then, who's going to be support? Unless the High Elven Mage is going to be the godlike class or something.

The Eagles mounted by characters on the tabletop are not common, and are not dispensible. Therefore, they shouldn't be available to the players.

[Vit]

This seems like such a bad idea, IMO. Pet classes are very hard to make "not crap," and in order to have them for High Elves you'd have to either shoehorn them into existing careers or create a new one when there are better choices already in existance.

That's just for balance. Pet class for Order is a must. If not - we will hear neverended complains.


The only plausible thing that would have some sort of pet would be a Mage with Elemental Summons, but then, who's going to be support? Unless the High Elven Mage is going to be the godlike class or something.


These pets don't need to be ultra-powerful. Everything can be balanced properly - and who said mage has to be support class? Good example is Bright Wizard. And zealot seems to be wonderful class - made as a new career.

[Gemini]

I still boggled by this annoucement, but I must say I would like a melee pet class. Maybe since they have that lion chariot thing coming out, White Lions or some similar class will actually get a lion.

[Thoden Firehammer]

My friend must never know of this, or he will roll this pet class and name his elf Legolawls, this must never leave this forum <.< >.> ...

[Grrblt]

That's just for balance. Pet class for Order is a must. If not - we will hear neverended complains.
Why is it a must? Both factions will still get 3 tanks, 3 melee dps, 3 ranged dps and 3 healers. Only Order has pistol-using careers so far but there hasn't been any "neverending complaints" yet.

These pets don't need to be ultra-powerful. Everything can be balanced properly - and who said mage has to be support class? Good example is Bright Wizard. And zealot seems to be wonderful class - made as a new career.
The idea with pet classes is that they get a pet to do the things they can't. If there is a career with a pet, that pet will be reasonably powerful. It's not just going to carry things for its master.

Mages don't need to be a support class by any means, but High Elves do need a support class and some form of mage is the logical choice.

[LookinGreen]

I don't know much about HE but would it be possible to have a pet support class? Like the mage where his summoned elementals will do healing/damage/buffs depending on which one is summoned?

[Grrblt]

I don't know much about HE but would it be possible to have a pet support class? Like the mage where his summoned elementals will do healing/damage/buffs depending on which one is summoned?

It's possible but doesn't make much sense. What sort of High mage needs familiars to do his healing? High elf mages are supposed to be the most skilled wizards in the world - they can heal stuff on their own.

[senmance]

I don't know much about HE but would it be possible to have a pet support class? Like the mage where his summoned elementals will do healing/damage/buffs depending on which one is summoned?

Really, anything is possible at this point. High Elves were probably one of the races people least associated with a pet career during the many months of speculation, so it's kinda up in the air.

Personally, I'd like to see the White Lion + pet combo where the damage/tanking is essentially split 50/50 between the two. Avoidance based tanks that can take on two opponents at once, split hit points, buff each other, stuff like that. Would be different and interesting.

Of course, High Magic is very powerful and can do many different things, potentially even animating familiars to aid the Mage, so thats kinda the easy approach to a HE pet career and the one we'll likely see. :P

[Vit]

Why is it a must? Both factions will still get 3 tanks, 3 melee dps, 3 ranged dps and 3 healers. Only Order has pistol-using careers so far but there hasn't been any "neverending complaints" yet.

Pet classes are very annoying - vide warlocks/hunters in WoW, some people have problems when fighting against them. And what difference between pistol using and bow using and throwing career?

The idea with pet classes is that they get a pet to do the things they can't. If there is a career with a pet, that pet will be reasonably powerful. It's not just going to carry things for its master.

Mages don't need to be a support class by any means, but High Elves do need a support class and some form of mage is the logical choice.

High Elves also love magic - so they can have for example 2 form of mage classes. I don't think it will happen but... some classes are difficult to clasify and they are kinda mix (nuker/healer for greenskins, fighter/healer for Empire) - so maybe we will see some completely new stuff? I think so, and we will know that in few days :)

[Grrblt]

Pet classes are very annoying - vide warlocks/hunters in WoW, some people have problems when fighting against them. And what difference between pistol using and bow using and throwing career?
There isn't much difference, just as there really isn't any difference between pet classes and non-pet classes. One uses pets for his things, the other doesn't, but in the end they still get the same thing done. Squig herder is still a ranged dps class, even if he happens to use a pet to get the job done.

I haven't played much wow but from my understanding, warlocks were annoying because of CC and not because of pets, and hunters were difficult because they could jump-kite.

High Elves also love magic - so they can have for example 2 form of mage classes. I don't think it will happen but... some classes are difficult to clasify and they are kinda mix (nuker/healer for greenskins, fighter/healer for Empire) - so maybe we will see some completely new stuff? I think so, and we will know that in few days :)
All healers are a mix, because of the "no healbots" thing. Healers in this game are still very potent damage dealers. I still call them healers, if only to separate them from the tanks and pure damage dealers.

[Vikingkingq]

Here's my opinion on balance: to hell with it. What counts are two of Mythic's guiding principles: 1. Be "Not Crap." and 2. Fun, You ers!

Naturally, when dealing with overall RvR, there needs to be some balance in order for the game to work. But the existence or not of a pet class really doesn't enter into that - what you're talking about isn't balance, it's people whining about not having the same gimmick as someone else. Which is ultimately silly because it's having DIFFERENT gimmicks that makes the careers good.

[Arcadox]

Here's some solid information that may help distingush what the class may be:

These are all direct quotes from the high elf army book -

Griffons: "A patiently hand-reared hatchling can be trained to bear a nobleupon it's back, making it a formidable mount in times of war."

"The people of Chrace... particularly famed for their skills at raising and training griffons"

Great Eagles: "some of the wisest of our people are said to be able to converse with the great eagles"

"The eagles soar...and when they return they speak with our loremasters"


Observations: From all the lore I've read, most likely is one of these 2 creatures as the pet. Elementals are not mentioned heavily, and just aren't really high elf centric. Dragons are much too rare and powerful. The white lions are possible, but are not normally trained and used as tamed animals for the high elves.

Now, mentioned in those quotes are: Nobles, Trainers of Chrace, and loremasters.

Interestingly, the white lions also live in Chrace, and that makes a "Trainer of Chrace" even more appealing, as it could train multiple animals.

The nobles only seem to ride the griffon, and so that doesn't make too much sense as a pet class.

Loremasters seem to be able to control the giant eagles entirely, and would make an expectionally interesting class. I could definately see this as an interesting melee class, using magic, gaint eagle(s), and combat skills.

Conclusion

2 biggest possibilities:

-Trainer of Chrace (unknown, maybe melee dps?)
-Loremaster (Most likely Support, possibly a melee class)

[LookinGreen]

God I hope its not griffons. It would almost ensure Griffendor as the most popular name or last name of HE.

[Gemini]

Oh god, Loremasters are awesome enough as is, are you saying that they could be a battlemage AND a melee-petclass? That would either be totally amazingly awesome, or pure and utter crap. I'm not sure which...

[Vit]

I haven't played much wow but from my understanding, warlocks were annoying because of CC and not because of pets, and hunters were difficult because they could jump-kite.


In PvE you can do most higher level quests much easier - especially kind of "kill the guards and grab something". Pet classes didn't need to kill anybody and they could do the quest.
In PvP maybe you are right - I have to deal with 2 targets, but pet class holder has to control 2 "characters". But one of them can be controlled almost automatically.
Anyway, I think there could be a lot of complains about 1-side pet class.

[Ranti]

Here's some solid information that may help distingush what the class may be:

These are all direct quotes from the high elf army book -

Griffons: "A patiently hand-reared hatchling can be trained to bear a nobleupon it's back, making it a formidable mount in times of war."

"The people of Chrace... particularly famed for their skills at raising and training griffons"

Great Eagles: "some of the wisest of our people are said to be able to converse with the great eagles"

"The eagles soar...and when they return they speak with our loremasters"


Observations: From all the lore I've read, most likely is one of these 2 creatures as the pet. Elementals are not mentioned heavily, and just aren't really high elf centric. Dragons are much too rare and powerful. The white lions are possible, but are not normally trained and used as tamed animals for the high elves.

Now, mentioned in those quotes are: Nobles, Trainers of Chrace, and loremasters.

Interestingly, the white lions also live in Chrace, and that makes a "Trainer of Chrace" even more appealing, as it could train multiple animals.

The nobles only seem to ride the griffon, and so that doesn't make too much sense as a pet class.

Loremasters seem to be able to control the giant eagles entirely, and would make an expectionally interesting class. I could definately see this as an interesting melee class, using magic, gaint eagle(s), and combat skills.

Conclusion

2 biggest possibilities:

-Trainer of Chrace (unknown, maybe melee dps?)
-Loremaster (Most likely Support, possibly a melee class)

oh dear, that lore master could be one of the coolest melee dps classes ever

having to balance his magic, sword skills, and his pet, would make it to where that is his gimmick, using his sword skills will buff his magic, using his magic would buff his pet, and using his pet will buff his sword skills (or some other set up) to where using your movies in perfect balance leads to optimization, throw in some chain combos for instance a pet based ability (I.e some order given to pet or a ability that combos the pets attack with the lore master) then followed by a sword technique then that sets up a magic technique, then it is all concluded with a hybrid special finisher (something involving a mix of sword, magic, and possible even the pet.

[Aaronthethird]

I think its wise to have a pet class on each side, just because there are people who really enjoy playing pet classes and would complain if they were limited to a particular side just because they wanted to play their favorite class type.

[wingzero]

er wow I ddnt think they would acutely do that and im a quite into my lore for highelf and i can only tihnk of ones talked about or having a white loin as a pet which then raises the question of that as class altogether.

if we can have wolfs as a pet then im going to be very very happy

[kizen]

Dragons - Most likely not. They are big, they are sleeping, and they get cranky when you wake them up. Not to mention it even says in the High Elf army book that there really are not many around anymore. ONLY an option if Dragon Princes are in the game, since I believe they are the only ones that can actually wake them up. And I for one, would not want to wake a dragon up... they have big teeth :-(

Great Hawk/Eagle - Possible. They are a strong unit in the TT game, but they are an actual unit on their own, unless ridden by a hero. Not really sure what class would use this and keep it "lore-friendly."

White Lion of Charce - Only if white lions are playable. I'm not really sure about the rarity of the beast, so I can't comment on that. Would be cool though.

Random Wild Life - This seems too much like the WoW hunter class to me. Especially if it is given to the Shadow Warrior. Not very unique either.

Familier for Caster Class - I wouldn't make this a go into the fray and melt faces pet, it would be more of a support pet for the caster, adding different buffs based on what you wanted it to do. Maybe with some slight combat capabilities, either melee or magic.

[Tae]

Whilst not a huge HE fan, they are - after all - still Elves (and therefore superior to all other races).

Accordingly I would like to offer my sincerest condolences for the fact that you're going to get lumbered with some cheesey pet class so tenuously connected to the lore it makes their anouncement about male-only Marauders look positively genius.

Still, you have another 3 classes so fingers crossed for them eh ?

[Vaeronthar]

I would personally hate it if the Lore/Swordmaster was a pet class. The entire idea is that they use swords. They're really good at it. Like, better then everyone. Ever. (And sometimes, 'so now they're learning magic'.) If they had a pet, their ability to use a sword would be lowered. Below that of other melee classes. Wouldn't feel right.

[Pendrako]

One things for sure - the pet class will not be the HElf melee, tank or support class. Pet class means being able to stand back and send in your pet to do the damage, ie ranged.

Chances are it could be something that's never appeared on the tabletop, like the Beastfriend. Tacking a pet ability onto an existing TT troop type would kinda dilute the iconicness of the career, IMHO. Then again, the idea of a Shadow Warrior or a Mage caster with an eagle or hawk pet seems likely enough.

[senmance]

Pet class means being able to stand back and send in your pet to do the damage, ie ranged.

No it doesn't... it just means you have a combat pet.

It doesn't always have to be the standard archer + wolf tank combo. Two melee tanks, two melee damage dealers, a melee tank and melee damage dealer, a healer pet, ranged damage, etc. etc. all possible. A little verity, always nice!

[Vikingkingq]

I would personally hate it if the Lore/Swordmaster was a pet class. The entire idea is that they use swords. They're really good at it. Like, better then everyone. Ever. (And sometimes, 'so now they're learning magic'.) If they had a pet, their ability to use a sword would be lowered. Below that of other melee classes. Wouldn't feel right.

I agree. I would really hate it if they made Swordmasters a sub-standard career.
Personally, this announcement makes me rather scared that they're not going to do such a great job on Elves - between this and the Beastmaster talk, I'm really nervous.

[Linkusmax]

With all my Knowlege of the Highe Elves this is how I see it.

Shadow Warriors or White Lions could be the pet class. Shadow Warriors could be implemented with a Bird Of Prey, and the White Lions are know for training and breeding lions/griffons/other things. Hell the new HE boook has a Lion Drawn Chariot crewed by White Lions. Note these would be normal Lions (with pointy ears according to the figure) not White Lions (Which are actually mutated by Chaos), Just like the White Lion Chariot (Drawn by Lions, ridden by White Lions). I would still put White Lions in the Melee DPS slot.

Theres even the possibility of a mage using some kind of elemental as a pet. Perhaps summoning a merewyrm even?

Or they could do something completly new just to cause me strife.

An eagle is a possibility but something I find doubtful, and definatly not ridden by Swordmasters who only ever fight on the ground.

If I may point out you do not have to have been a swordmaster to be a Loremaster. Loremaster is just a title given to High ranking magicians in the White Tower of Hoeth (i.e. Teclis is the High Loremaster)

[wellsy]

If I may point out you do not have to have been a swordmaster to be a Loremaster. Loremaster is just a title given to High ranking magicians in the White Tower of Hoeth (i.e. Teclis is the High Loremaster)

Not quite true. In the 6th Ed. HE Army Book, there is an honour there called Loremaster, which you give to a Commander or Prince, and makes that character a Level 1 Wizard. They don't need to be a Swordmaster (although you can give them the Swordmaster honour to go with it), but Loremasters are technically high ranking martial artists (which includes the Swordmasters) who have decided to give magic a whirl.

On topic, I'd have to say that this is a bit of a surprise. I suggested that White Lions could tame their namesakes, but that would be stretching the lore (not that theres much of that - the Army Book is really all we've got to go on). The Loremaster/Swordmaster-Eagle combo is also something I think is stretching it.

But, I think I can propose a solution - Ellyrian Reavers. I know that they're cavalry, but it says in the unit description that you'd be better off killing an Ellyrion Elf's brother than his horse. Given that there are generally plenty of DE raids into Ellyrion (which is where they get their dark steeds from), then I could imagine it.

We'll just have to wait until Leipzig for some answers.

[Jerrus]

The Storm of Chaos High Elf Sea Patrol army list allowed for Merwyrms (some sort of small sea dragon) that were bound to thier mages.

Warhawks are smaller than Great Eagles and are more of a Wood Elf option. But the Elves from Avelorn are said to be more like Wood Elves than High Elves in most respects.

I don't really think that this is what they are going to implement, but it does give room for some interesting possibilities. They don't really have to follow the lore to the letter, just not stray to far from it. They can (and have) change the lore to suit thier own purpose as long as GW is in on it.

[Grrblt]

One things for sure - the pet class will not be the HElf melee, tank or support class. Pet class means being able to stand back and send in your pet to do the damage, ie ranged.
Stop making stuff up. Pet class does not mean being able to stand back and send your pet to do the damage. Pet class means having a pet and making it to stuff for you. That stuff usually is just that - sending it to do damage while standing back - but it doesn't have to be. It isn't hard to invent a melee pet class. Here: a dude with a lion on a leash, he can't send it to do damage because the second he lets go of the leash, it attacks him.

[Linkusmax]

Case in point, The proliferation of Rangers using melee weapons with pets in Guild Wars. (Thumpers)

[Blaze]

Personally, I'd like to see some kind of mage who summons elementals of different kinds, having mastered the winds of magic.

And I believe there are some High Elf mage models in the TT that ride small elementals into battle. Can't seem to find them now... but I'm sure I've seen them. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

[Pendrako]

Stop making stuff up. Pet class does not mean being able to stand back and send your pet to do the damage. Pet class means having a pet and making it to stuff for you. That stuff usually is just that - sending it to do damage while standing back - but it doesn't have to be. It isn't hard to invent a melee pet class. Here: a dude with a lion on a leash, he can't send it to do damage because the second he lets go of the leash, it attacks him.
I'm not making stuff up, I'm predicting the future with my psychic talents. I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense to have a pet class where the pet doesn't really do anything special except stand next to you and hit stuff. A pet needs a special purpose of it's own. You want it to be over there hitting stuff so you don't have to. Especially when, as others have said, giving a a pet to a character who's already a kick- fighter (swordmaster, white lion) seems a bit redundant.

Case in point, The proliferation of Rangers using melee weapons with pets in Guild Wars. (Thumpers)
The last time I checked, rangers were a ranged class, even when they're spec'd for melee.

[Vit]

I'm not making stuff up, I'm predicting the future with my psychic talents. I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense to have a pet class where the pet doesn't really do anything special except stand next to you and hit stuff. A pet needs a special purpose of it's own. You want it to be over there hitting stuff so you don't have to. Especially when, as others have said, giving a a pet to a character who's already a kick- fighter (swordmaster, white lion) seems a bit redundant.


The last time I checked, rangers were a ranged class, even when they're spec'd for melee.

Yes, the pet can make other stuff. For example you stay in first line and pet heals you, buffs you. Hunter and warlock in WoW are the most popular classes - ranged with pet. But it doesn't mean it has to be like that. It doesn't mean also it will not be like that. We will see very very soon :)

[Grrblt]

I'm not making stuff up, I'm predicting the future with my psychic talents. I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense to have a pet class where the pet doesn't really do anything special except stand next to you and hit stuff. A pet needs a special purpose of it's own. You want it to be over there hitting stuff so you don't have to. Especially when, as others have said, giving a a pet to a character who's already a kick- fighter (swordmaster, white lion) seems a bit redundant.
There are more special purposes than just being over there hitting stuff. For example, I might want my pet to be over here, making sure stuff doesn't hit me so I don't die. A tanking pet class would be fun to try. Or I might want my pet to be over here hitting stuff so my kick- fighter becomes ever more kick-. I might even want my pet to use powerful ranged abilities while I engage people in melee, trying to divert attention from my pet because it has much better dps than me.

See, three interesting and different kinds of pet classes, and none of them include sending their pet over there to hit stuff so they don't have to. Vit gave another example. Stop thinking in such limited terms.

[Linkusmax]

No I'm fairly sure once you are spec'd for melee you are no longer ranged. The Pet provides another target (which you have to take into account) i provides DPS and it provides skill which work in Synergy with your Hammer blows (Bestial Mauling - Daze if it hits a knocked down player)

It does not have to be ranged to work.

[harkan]

there are no traditional pet classes in the high elf book so im sure we will see a sort of mix together class or new class like the zealot/runepriest for it, while intresting it almost feel like its gonna be their magetype/healer/dps hybrid. Im thinking like a lotro lore master with abit more heals.

[dynamo112]

Well it's quite possible the HE pet class will not work similar to the Squig Herder, so far Mythic has made every career so far to be very unique. Chances are it won't work like the squig herder which is your average pet class like you'd see in other games. So i'd expect to see something new and creative out of it.

Also, im curious. Someone stated earlier about the Zealot being a created career so that leaves me with a question, are zealots in the WH lore anywhere? Books? TT? Anywhere? If not and it was created specifically for the WH:O game I think it would be safe to say that they are doing this with the HE pet class. If so id expect something original and never thought of.

[Taurth]

Also, im curious. Someone stated earlier about the Zealot being a created career so that leaves me with a question, are zealots in the WH lore anywhere? Books? TT? Anywhere? If not and it was created specifically for the WH:O game I think it would be safe to say that they are doing this with the HE pet class. If so id expect something original and never thought of.

Zealots seem very similar to the Shamans wrote about in Liber Chaotica and probably other sources regarding the Tribes of Tchar, so I'd imagine thats where they got the idea of the Zealot. Maybe they'll do the same with High Elves, and take a very vague thing like the Shamans in the Tribes of Tchar, but something involving some sort of pet to base the class off.

[dynamo112]

Zealots seem very similar to the Shamans wrote about in Liber Chaotica and probably other sources regarding the Tribes of Tchar, so I'd imagine thats where they got the idea of the Zealot. Maybe they'll do the same with High Elves, and take a very vague thing like the Shamans in the Tribes of Tchar, but something involving some sort of pet to base the class off.

Yeah I thought so...I guess that leaves me to expect the unexpected. ;)

[roadkizzle]

But, If I remember correctly, someone in mythic said when they made the decision to include zealots that they were going to stay away from doing the same for elves, because elves have an overabundance of possible class types already. You don't need to create a brand spankin new class out of thin air, and risk losing another iconic class that already has lore behind it.

That being said, I'm placing my bets on White Lions getting lions. This will either be a tanking, or a melee DPS slot. I'm hoping tanking, because I want my swordmasters to be the melee dps. Also, Paul Barnett has said that they were going to have unusual tanks for the elfs. A pet tanker would fit the bill in my mind.

[Genocidal]

My only guesses would be Eagles, or Dragons, or maybe some kind of horses.:confused:

[dynamo112]

But, If I remember correctly, someone in mythic said when they made the decision to include zealots that they were going to stay away from doing the same for elves, because elves have an overabundance of possible class types already. You don't need to create a brand spankin new class out of thin air, and risk losing another iconic class that already has lore behind it.

That being said, I'm placing my bets on White Lions getting lions. This will either be a tanking, or a melee DPS slot. I'm hoping tanking, because I want my swordmasters to be the melee dps. Also, Paul Barnett has said that they were going to have unusual tanks for the elfs. A pet tanker would fit the bill in my mind.

This sounds like the best possible role of the HE pet class, a tank.

Here's a list of current tanks and their uniqueness:

Dwarf: Average tank, possibly tougher than the rest with a special grudge system.

Black Orc: Tactics tank, uses high amounts of stuns/disables/roots etc to negate dmg taken, and allowing for additional damage output toward disabled targets.

Chosen: Tank class with the ability to use magic. (thus far)

KotBS: Command tank, uses shouts and commands to buff team mates. (example: Morale Shout - Increases party members morale by 15%.)

White Lion: Tank class with a pet. Allows tank to use special pet abilites while playing a tanking role? Can send pet to other targets for multi target damage (good idea I think ;)).

[insert DE tank class here]

Sounds like a pretty unique style, only other thing would be a mage with summon abilites. (WoW much? :()

[kizen]

Mages that summon different elementals seems like way too much of a rip off of EQ magicians and having their 4 elemental pets.

I definitely think it would be cool for white lions to have a lion pet (since the chariots in the new army book are pulled by lions), it could be vaguely tied to that.

[DaddysGirl]

Mages that summon different elementals seems like way too much of a rip off of EQ magicians and having their 4 elemental pets.

I definitely think it would be cool for white lions to have a lion pet (since the chariots in the new army book are pulled by lions), it could be vaguely tied to that.

Well, they do not necessarily have to be 'elementals' so to speak. Here is a chance for mythic to be REALLY creative, as summons can come in the form of God Avatars, golems, spirits, etc... But that would be stretching the lore quite a bit, well, for some people.

Here's to wishing for some SUPER cute dragonlings or wyrmlings ^.^ with big googly eyes and baby fire breath attacks. Ahhhh!!!! :oops:

[Vaeronthar]

War ain't cute.

[DaddysGirl]

War ain't cute.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=602&c=3

His name is Fluffy, got it?

[Blitz]

http://greywolf.critter.net/ahq/henchmen/familiars.htm

http://www.blackindustries.com/pdf/articles/manikins.pdf

http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=WH&content=generatefamiliar



'ere's a possibility on how them poncy elflings can run 'round with a "pet". 'course this info comes from Warhammer Fantasy, but at least it would be one sort of way to get it done.

[Nerothos]

I'm still with Viking on this one. My faith in EA Mythic suddenly plummeted when I heard this.

Were going to get a half-baked tacked on career. :???:

No where is a beast companion class effectively mentioned in the Lore. White Lions kill those animals, Shadow Warriors have only used Eagles for messengers in fiction I've read, and elementals have only ever showed up on the models, and even then it's sketchy.

It just doesn't fit.

[Krulltak]

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=602&c=3

His name is Fluffy, got it?


You forgot the fact that that dog weighs as much as a pig, eats steroids, and is trained specifically to smell Chaos and proceed to tear the flesh from the bones of heretics, and rip them limb from limb.





Oh and uhhh, I'm agreeing with Viking and Nerethos here.


And in my own words, Games Workshop are now official money hungry in my eyes. They're just like Blizzard now, screwing everything over for more money, because they know retards are the majority of the populous, so they ruin it AAAAAAAAAAALLLLL to make money off retards.

[DaddysGirl]

Oh and uhhh, I'm agreeing with Viking and Nerethos here.


And in my own words, Games Workshop are now official money hungry in my eyes. They're just like Blizzard now, screwing everything over for more money, because they know retards are the majority of the populous, so they ruin it AAAAAAAAAAALLLLL to make money off retards.

How can you come to that conclusion when the pet class (or any of the elf classes) have even been announced yet. Im not sayin what ur sayin ISNT TRUE.... BUT, i still have some faith.

What if the pet class turns out to be the most kick butt thing you've ever known to exist, making you roll it as your main, HUH?

And btw no matter what u say about Fluffy he is cute, and I will make sure to play tug o' war with ur nasty green corpse when I get the chance. :mad:

[Krulltak]

How can you come to that conclusion when the pet class (or any of the elf classes) have even been announced yet. Im not sayin what ur sayin ISNT TRUE.... BUT, i still have some faith.

What if the pet class turns out to be the most kick butt thing you've ever known to exist, making you roll it as your main, HUH?

And btw no matter what u say about Fluffy he is cute, and I will make sure to play tug o' war with ur nasty green corpse when I get the chance. :mad:


1- My obnoxious senses are tingling.

2- If it's fecking up the GW lore for no good reason, I DO NOT APPROVE. And uhh, elf boy up there neither, eh.

3- Blitz, that's an excellent suggestion. However, I'm hoping that if it is something as such, they are not a major part of the class, and more like the pets Controllers in City of Heroes used, which were more like personal body guards, but not anything major.

[Arcadox]

No one seems to be even looking at things in the lore that actually use pets!

I have already stated in an eariler post that loremasters talk to and can control great eagles, and that there are trainers of griffons mentioned in the lore from chrace, where white lions are as well.

A loremaster is an extremely interesting class to look into, and these trainers could very well train and use multiple beasts, and function like a hunter.

This is not to mention that they have already surprised us with runepriest and zealot, both of which have shaped up to be mighty interesting classes.

Please do not judge games workshop or whoever else as bad because of this decision. There are many fair possibilities, and I myself find it an extremely interesting turn of events and am in fact very excited to see the final class.

My quote:

Here's some solid information that may help distingush what the class may be:

These are all direct quotes from the high elf army book -

Griffons: "A patiently hand-reared hatchling can be trained to bear a nobleupon it's back, making it a formidable mount in times of war."

"The people of Chrace... particularly famed for their skills at raising and training griffons"

Great Eagles: "some of the wisest of our people are said to be able to converse with the great eagles"

"The eagles soar...and when they return they speak with our loremasters"


Observations: From all the lore I've read, most likely is one of these 2 creatures as the pet. Elementals are not mentioned heavily, and just aren't really high elf centric. Dragons are much too rare and powerful. The white lions are possible, but are not normally trained and used as tamed animals for the high elves.

Now, mentioned in those quotes are: Nobles, Trainers of Chrace, and loremasters.

Interestingly, the white lions also live in Chrace, and that makes a "Trainer of Chrace" even more appealing, as it could train multiple animals.

The nobles only seem to ride the griffon, and so that doesn't make too much sense as a pet class.

Loremasters seem to be able to control the giant eagles entirely, and would make an expectionally interesting class. I could definately see this as an interesting melee class, using magic, gaint eagle(s), and combat skills.

Conclusion

2 biggest possibilities:

-Trainer of Chrace (unknown, maybe melee dps?)
-Loremaster (Most likely Support, possibly a melee class)

[DaddysGirl]

http://greywolf.critter.net/ahq/henchmen/familiars.htm

http://www.blackindustries.com/pdf/articles/manikins.pdf

http://www.blackindustries.com/?template=WH&content=generatefamiliar



'ere's a possibility on how them poncy elflings can run 'round with a "pet". 'course this info comes from Warhammer Fantasy, but at least it would be one sort of way to get it done.

I love the familiars suggestion; imagine having like a faerie as a constant companion... omG i love it!! good ideas ;)

[Nerothos]

The problem is that beastial companions are completely alien to your average (or above average) elf . Only NOBLES, as in Commanders and Princes, can ride on Eagles, Griffons and Dragons. Many of the classes have been based around Elites, which include Special and Rare choices on the Tabletop. Not the Characters.

Edit: On a side note, is anyone else amused how this announcement made the zle hit the fan?

Edit2: The Zealot makes sense for Chaos because it's representative of their fanaticism. Runepriests are a different version of Runesmiths, slightly dubbed down into an elite, more common form (Runesmiths are Dwarfen characters, I'm assuming, if Runepriests were to exist on the TT, they'd be Special or Rare). Those classes fit because they make sense. No where is taming or using animals specified in any of the GW lore I've read, at least regarding the Elite High Elf units. Only the characters (Commanders and Princes) are capable of rousing and/or controlling such creatures.

[Vaeronthar]

But... war ain't cute. It's... war.

...War.

[Arcadox]

The problem is that beastial companions are completely alien to your average (or above average) elf . Only NOBLES, as in Commanders and Princes, can ride on Eagles, Griffons and Dragons. Many of the classes have been based around Elites, which include Special and Rare choices on the Tabletop. Not the Characters.

Edit: On a side note, is anyone else amused how this announcement made the zle hit the fan?

Edit2: The Zealot makes sense for Chaos because it's representative of their fanaticism. Runepriests are a different version of Runesmiths, slightly dubbed down into an elite, more common form (Runesmiths are Dwarfen characters, I'm assuming, if Runepriests were to exist on the TT, they'd be Special or Rare). Those classes fit because they make sense. No where is taming or using animals specified in any of the GW lore I've read, at least regarding the Elite High Elf units. Only the characters (Commanders and Princes) are capable of rousing and/or controlling such creatures.

What are shamans and bright wizards? Last time I checked, they were heroes. A magus is a chaos sorcerer (I think?) and that is also a hero.

There are lots of characters that are classes.

[Krulltak]

What are shamans and bright wizards? Last time I checked, they were heroes. A magus is a chaos sorcerer (I think?) and that is also a hero.

There are lots of characters that are classes.


The Chaos Magus seems pretty much like a Tzeentch Lord without the Lord part of it, since only Lords get the Disks of Tzeentch, but apperantly that is retconned in WAR.

Also, they may be heroes on the tabletop but they're not really big heroes, 'least not big enough to be unplayable due to balance.

[Nerothos]

Ok, fine, I'll take a new approach.

How on earth is a pet companion iconic to the High Elven look.

It's not mentioned in any of the official lore.

It's not on the rules.

It doesn't contribute to the feel of the High Elves.

It's like a square Oreo. It's not right.

[DaddysGirl]

Ok, fine, I'll take a new approach.

How on earth is a pet companion iconic to the High Elven look.

It's not mentioned in any of the official lore.

It's not on the rules.

It doesn't contribute to the feel of the High Elves.

It's like a square Oreo. It's not right.

THis game would be nowhere near as fun if EVERY SINGLE TINY TIDBIT had to be bent to the lore. Just sayin...
Give the HE pet class a chance before you judge it, just one chance, and then you can /rant, /mad, /outraged all you want. Just one chance please :)

[Nerothos]

You must understand . EVERY single class whether it's existed on the TT or not has fitted with the race it's gone to because the concept matches. Suicidal exploding Bright Wizards? Perfect, matches great. Extra tough Orcs that "tank" by throwing the squishies out of the way? Fluffy as a pillow. Elves taming monsters? No.

In massive battles you wouldn't find more than a handful of Eagles and maybe one Dragon if you're lucky. Great Eagles aren't like Squigs, they aren't widely available or expendable.

[Vaeronthar]

Think about it this way: We don't like IP divergence. Thus we don't like pet classes. Pet classes thus make it less fun for us. Understand?

[Vikingkingq]

No one seems to be even looking at things in the lore that actually use pets!

I have already stated in an eariler post that loremasters talk to and can control great eagles, and that there are trainers of griffons mentioned in the lore from chrace, where white lions are as well.

A loremaster is an extremely interesting class to look into, and these trainers could very well train and use multiple beasts, and function like a hunter.

This is not to mention that they have already surprised us with runepriest and zealot, both of which have shaped up to be mighty interesting classes.

Please do not judge games workshop or whoever else as bad because of this decision. There are many fair possibilities, and I myself find it an extremely interesting turn of events and am in fact very excited to see the final class.

My quote:

Here's some solid information that may help distingush what the class may be:

These are all direct quotes from the high elf army book -

Griffons: "A patiently hand-reared hatchling can be trained to bear a nobleupon it's back, making it a formidable mount in times of war."

"The people of Chrace... particularly famed for their skills at raising and training griffons"

Great Eagles: "some of the wisest of our people are said to be able to converse with the great eagles"

"The eagles soar...and when they return they speak with our loremasters"


Observations: From all the lore I've read, most likely is one of these 2 creatures as the pet. Elementals are not mentioned heavily, and just aren't really high elf centric. Dragons are much too rare and powerful. The white lions are possible, but are not normally trained and used as tamed animals for the high elves.

Now, mentioned in those quotes are: Nobles, Trainers of Chrace, and loremasters.

Interestingly, the white lions also live in Chrace, and that makes a "Trainer of Chrace" even more appealing, as it could train multiple animals.

The nobles only seem to ride the griffon, and so that doesn't make too much sense as a pet class.

Loremasters seem to be able to control the giant eagles entirely, and would make an expectionally interesting class. I could definately see this as an interesting melee class, using magic, gaint eagle(s), and combat skills.

Conclusion

2 biggest possibilities:

-Trainer of Chrace (unknown, maybe melee dps?)
-Loremaster (Most likely Support, possibly a melee class)

In none of these cases do these animals appear as pets, because they're all freaking huge - they're MOUNTS.

[DaddysGirl]

But... war ain't cute. It's... war.

...War.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=609&c=3

"Giiiirl you have to tell me where you got those raven feathers, work it now!!
And that girdle looks so cute on u girl, own it!

And that black lipstick... giiiiirl, dont even get me started."

[Nerothos]

THANK YOU VIKING! *shakes fists at the heavens*

On a side note: apologies for being pushy. I strongly oppose this idea. I'm sure you guessed. :p

[Krulltak]

THANK YOU VIKING! *shakes fists at the heavens*

On a side note: apologies for being pushy. I strongly oppose this idea. I'm sure you guessed. :p


Always glad to have Nerothy around to post whatever I'm thinking for me.....

ANd Viking of course.

In other words, QFT.

[Vaeronthar]

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=609&c=3 (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/../gallery/showimage.php?i=609&c=3)

"Giiiirl you have to tell me where you got those raven feathers, work it now!!
And that girdle looks so cute on u girl, own it!

And that black lipstick... giiiiirl, dont even get me started."

...You really aren't good at this whole listening thing, eh? Zealots aren't cute, black lips or no. If anything, they're sexy. But really, they're just zealots. They aren't cute. They curse you, and then they send ravens to eat your eyes out of their sockets. It's not the same as baby dragons breathing little puffs of smoke, or tiny fae flying around and scattering pixie dust.

[Arcadox]

Well, I'm thinking it will likely be the loremaster.

They are supported in the lore, can use great eagles, and have a stunning range of abilities.

Teclis is the high loremaster, so I really doubt you can argue that it is not part of the lore. Teclis is very iconic for the high elves.

I say give it a chance, the pet itself doesn't have to be a main feature in the character, just a compliment for a established class.

[Dustandpolos]

I am dubious about the announcement of a pet class. I really don't want to see a well-loved class cut from the line-up or reduced in power compared to its counterparts to make up for tthe pet. For example, I'd hate to see White Lions omitted to make room for the new pet class, but equally an Elf should be quite capable of defeating their counterpart without relying on a pet henchman; I'd hate to see a White Lion that couldn't go toe-to-toe with an Orc Choppa without a Lion slinking in round his opponent's back. So I'm deeply wary; I'll reserve judgement until I get more info though.

Concerning pets; sure as hell no dragons. Not even yound ones. Drakes (from the War of the Bears list) were still way too powerful for this. Likewise Griffons; if a Chaos Giant is a Public Quest boss requiring teams of people to bring down, something only marginally less dangerous is a no-hope as a pet. Besides, they are far too bad-tempered for anything but a mount (as far as I recall from 5th ed. Enraged Bound Monsters rules?)

I can see Giant Eagles being in with their stats reduced for balance, or more likely the player raising the Eagle from hatchling to fully fledged beast, possibly being able to ride it for short periods for flying charge moves in battle, a sort of equivilent to battle-armour squigs but different. So could work.

I slightly favour White Lions with their lion pets; I hate the idea of lion-pulled chariots in TT, as that ruins the only Tiranoc unit, would move slower than an Elven Steed detracting from the fast-strike focus of Elven cavalry and would frankly look rubbish compared to a horse-drawn. On the other hand, White Lion infantry are woodland hunters, hunters often taking trained animals with them especially lacking ranged weaponry and notable trapping skill. I wouldn't like to see the White Lion's stats suffer to copmpensate for having a pet, but I can see it working best out of the options.

Please, give the Loremaster a break. We're now up to a class that can tank despite not wearing armour (otherwise no magic...) by parrying, melee DPS a bit with their incredibly fast and deadly greatswords, draw on High Magic to heal and buff teamates and is now being put forward as a pet class, capable of sending 20-ft span War Eagles after any enemies who aren't close enough to decapitate. I'm not saying there won't be a Loremaster, but people are in for a big disappointment if they think he's going to somehow incorporate all these things. I seriously doubt the Loremaster will be a pet class - the mention of eagles reporting to them sounds more like scouting than battlefield companionship, and eagles fit shadow warriors much better. If there are Loremasters at all, which I'm far from convinced of, they'd be much better off in the healing/melee dps hybrid role, which really doesn't leave room for pet abilities too.

[Vikingkingq]

And eagles fit shadow warriors much better.

No they don't. Shadow Warriors are not your typical hunter/ranger class. They are vicious guerrilla warriors who do not have mystical bonds with nature. Even the mystically-inclined among them are spiritually inclined towards the shadows, not the beasts.

[ravn0s]

I'm thinking that the HE pet class will either me similar to the Druid or Theurgist class in DAoC. The Druid is a healer/support class with a pet, and the Theurg is a caster which could summon multiple low level elemental pets that only stayed on the battlefield for around 1 minute. If the Loremaster is a class and from what little I know about Loremaster's, they could either be a support class with a pet or a caster class with a pet or pets.

[Nerothos]

I see our vigorous defense is being taken into consideration.

*smashing head on keyboard*

[DaddysGirl]

I can see Giant Eagles being in with their stats reduced for balance, or more likely the player raising the Eagle from hatchling to fully fledged beast, possibly being able to ride it for short periods for flying charge moves in battle, a sort of equivilent to battle-armour squigs but different. So could work.

Best idea I heard all day. Is it very lore breaking to have an elf class start out with like a baby griffon or eagle and have them gain levels along with the elf into maturity? That would make for an interesting class i think...

It is in the lore how elves ride eagles and such, and besides, Mythic has dumbed down other units like the Chosen into classes on equal par with every other class. Surely they can do the same with the eagles, its not like they're dragons or anything.

Please dont flame me ><

[wellsy]

Best idea I heard all day. Is it very lore breaking to have an elf class start out with like a baby griffon or eagle and have them gain levels along with the elf into maturity? That would make for an interesting class i think...

It is in the lore how elves ride eagles and such, and besides, Mythic has dumbed down other units like the Chosen into classes on equal par with every other class. Surely they can do the same with the eagles, its not like they're dragons or anything.

Please dont flame me ><

You're quite right there. Not to mention that it fits the bill - Great Eagles can be taken as a seperate unit or as a mount in the TT, so it could work.

Dustandopolis - I agree with what you say about the Loremaster as being overhyped. Personally, I'd like to see it as a tank, with some armour (and can't cast spells while wearing armour until, say, a certain quest has been completed or a certain level achieved). No pets though.

For me, White Lions are the ideal for the pet class - they live near the Great Eagles, could have some Lions (as has been said many times), not to mention that they would make good ambushers (and having a pet could emphasise this ability). They are the strongest Elves in TT (base S4, instead of the normal S3), have their Great Axes, and are iconic in and of themselves.

My bet is on the White Lions with some sort of pet.

[Vaeronthar]

Honestly, if either Swordmaster or White Lion are unable to stand toe to toe with a choppa or marauder, I will cry for at least an hour.

[Dracnye]

Lets break down the prospective units which could possibly use a pet.

Mage - The possibility of a familiar like a eagle or another bird accompanying them into battle is very high, especially if the familiar grants some sort of bonuses which will help the mage out during combat and/or act as a guard for them.

Shadow Warrior - The possibility of a pet accompanying a Shadow Warrior into battle is pretty high. Especially when you consider that Shadow Warriors are a nomadic people, so the chances of them meeting up with a wide range of animals, is very high, but whether they would train them or kill them is unknown.

White Lion - White Lion's are named for the fact they wear the cloak of the white lion, and have to kill a white lion in hand-to-hand combat to be awarded the cloak. The possibility of them using a white lion as a pet is slim to none.

[Seldaren]

I'm going to predict that it's not going to be any type of bird.

Chaos looks to be very bird-orientated, since it's Tzeentch. So I can't see any of the other Races having a bird-orientated class.
Birds and feathers are the domain of Tzeentch. Tzeentch is symbolically represented as an Eagle to some of the tribes of Chaos, so it's not just Ravens.

As for all the "it goes against the Lore!!" claims. I would hold those claims until we actually see what the career is. Right now everyone is jumping around guessing at what it could be.

And another. It's quite obvious that GW sanctioned whatever the career is. So if they said it's OK, it must fit into the Lore somehow.

Also, why does everyone seem to think the HE Mage is the Healer? I would more say that the HE Mage will be the Ranged DPS, and then there'll be some sort of Pet Mage. Not sure what that pet could possibly be though :) .

Oh, and another thing. For the DE folks, this likely means no Beastmaster.

[GrandOne]

My guess is, it's no show for a pet class or it's going to be a mage class with a familiar

[Vikingkingq]

Shadow Warrior - The possibility of a pet accompanying a Shadow Warrior into battle is pretty high. Especially when you consider that Shadow Warriors are a nomadic people, so the chances of them meeting up with a wide range of animals, is very high, but whether they would train them or kill them is unknown.


GAH! Look, the Shadow Warriors are not hunters and rangers, they do not have mystical bonds with nature and talk to the animals. They are guerrilla warriors who live in a very hostile landscape where the beasts have been horribly twisted by Chaos and are all psychotically dangerous - they kill animals, not befriend them.

[Vit]

Mage - The possibility of a familiar like a eagle or another bird accompanying them into battle is very high, especially if the familiar grants some sort of bonuses which will help the mage out during combat and/or act as a guard for them.



More obvious for me is having by a mage some kind of created elementals.

[Nerothos]

Shadow Warriors are exactly that. Warriors. They are not rangers or hunters or whatever diluted nature based bow using career you're thinking of, they fight, and they scout. Nature is not their thing. Sleeping with a poison coated knife under their pillow is.

Edit: Viking beat me to it, as usual. :rolleyes:

[Grimfell Gromgear]

All the High Elves will have pets. Their egos.

They can be a bit unruly and hard to manage though.

[Biocide]

Shadow Warrior - The possibility of a pet accompanying a Shadow Warrior into battle is pretty high. Especially when you consider that Shadow Warriors are a nomadic people, so the chances of them meeting up with a wide range of animals, is very high, but whether they would train them or kill them is unknown.

I don't know the IP (btw, what's that stand for? I've gathered the meaning but not the acronym itself), but I'd say the chances of Mythic doing a bow + pet class are very very very high. They're called squig herders.

[Noesis]

I don't know the IP (btw, what's that stand for? I've gathered the meaning but not the acronym itself), but I'd say the chances of Mythic doing a bow + pet class are very very very high. They're called squig herders.

I assume IP = Initial Post(er)

I am only really familiar with using the term OP. Original Poster.

[Jerrus]

IP = Intellectual Property

The Warhammer World is Games Workshops IP.

[Vit]

I assume IP = Initial Post(er)

I am only really familiar with using the term OP. Original Poster.

IP = Intellectual Property (usually used for "lore").

[Anwahir]

All the High Elves will have pets. Their egos.

They can be a bit unruly and hard to manage though.



You seem to have your own ego, Dwarf. It seems to be growing faster than your beard at least.



Anyway!


Yes, ranger as a pet class is almost certainly not going to happen (I hope!). Mage is reasonable but still there is little in the lore that would support it, and really I hope that they are not. I have a feeling Mythic will create their own new class, as the lore really has no place for a pet class currently.

I was really just hoping this was a mistake and they meant Dark Elf for beastmaster. That was just wishful thinking though, I suppose. Keeping all the pets on one side would have been interesting, but oh well! We'll find out soon enough!

Perhaps GW will do like they did with the Bonesinger in 40k and the new class will be something from the upcoming HE army book.

[Xurré]

Oh, and another thing. For the DE folks, this likely means no Beastmaster.
I disagree. If anything, this makes it more likely that the Beastmaster will be a career on the DE side; namely the career that’s balanced up against the high elf pet class.


To give you traitors ;) a bit of a view from the other side… I think the first question one should ask is why they’re making a pet class for the high elves. After all, it doesn’t really seem like any of the high elf classes (as far as I can tell) would naturally make for a pet class, or there wouldn’t be this much discussion on it.

I know some would say “it’s because Order needs a pet class, just as Destruction has one with the Squig Herder,” but I thought the Engineer was supposed to match up against the Squig Herder (and while not your traditional pet class could be considered a pet class of sorts). And in general the “both sides must have the same things” argument seems weak at best.

The dark elves, however, do have a class that would naturally make a pet class, and one that’s fairly iconic for the race to boot. And from the beginning I’ve seen the Beastmaster as a likely candidate for the dark elves, with the only problem being that as a pet class they’d be hard to match up against with a non-pet class. So I think it’s entirely possible that the high elves will get a pet class to match up against a dark elf pet class (which would most likely be the Beastmaster).

For the Beastmaster the most likely role seems to be that of ranged dps; other roles are possible too of course, but all other roles have a number of much, much stronger contenders and only in ranged dps are Beastmasters serious contenders (next to Shades). On the high elf side the strongest contender for ranged seems to be the Shadow Warrior (if I’m not mistaken, don’t follow the high elf forums that much). But as is it seems difficult to match Shadow Warriors up against a Beastmaster with some kind of monster. So perhaps they’re giving the Shadow Warrior a pet just to equal the playing field a bit.

What kind of pet I’m not quite sure (in fact I admit I do, in general, have some difficulty seeing Shadow Warriors as a pet class). I can see them getting the Loremaster Honour, making them Loremasters as well and thus connect them to Giant Eagles… but that’s a very thin stretch. Other option would be to make them more the standard ranger/hunter type by giving them wild animals, though I can understand some resistance to that idea too. Still, I kinda like the idea of a bow-using high elf with a giant eagle, giving them special moves where they can temporarily ride the eagle or such (in fact, images of Legolas spring readily to mind, though I’m sure I’ll get flak for saying that :p ).

The thought of a Mage with some kind of familiar or some kind of elemental summoning is interesting as well; I can see the pet performing the healing functions of the Mage in a support role (as Shadow Warriors seem the most likely for ranged). Though I think that’d likely make the Sorceress a bit more pet-oriented as well (they get death magic, but I to Khaine hope they won’t be turned into necromancers; other options are summoning demons or more directly using dark energies as ‘pets’ of a kind). In that case though I have to wonder: why?

I must also say that I strongly hope that the pet class won’t be a melee class, since that could mean that on the dark elf side we’ll get Beastmaster in one of the melee roles (which would probably be the worst decision Mythic could make for them). The only way I can see that working is if the high elf pet class is melee dps (maybe White Lions as suggested) and the dark elf melee dps class isn’t, but is instead a class with a very high attack rate and particularly well suited to fighting multiple opponents at once (hmmm, I think I know a class that could fit that description ;)).

Still, White Lions seem to make a little more sense as Tanks (having just read their description they sound like bodyguards.

I don’t know though… a pet class for high elves seems to make very, very little sense to me (unless high elves have suddenly become more like dark elves in their willingness to use living creatures for their own ends).


- Xurré

[dynamo112]

I doubt they would give both HE and DE a pet oriented class...like I said before they've made all career's very unique so far and im almost certain they will do this with the Elf pairing. Already giving the HE's a pet type of class invades on the Squig Herder, which is why I dont think it was a good idea regardless of balance between order and destruction to make another pet class.

Having a ranged pet class already just leaves me to believe there will be a melee career with a pet. (or possibly a caster one)

[Vikingkingq]

I agree with you that the thought of parallel pet careers is somewhat nervousness-inducing. However, given the fact that Destruction already has a pet career, my one reed of hope is that they've decided to go for asymmetrical balance between the HE pet career and the DE career that opposes it.

That being said, I think this is probably the issue that has filled me with the most apprehension of any Mythic decision to date. I was a little surprised about the Slayers, thought the no-women careers were a bit silly, but to me those things were more peripheral. But an abundance of pet careers really bothers me, especially for a racial pairing I'm very interested in playing both sides of, because I am really not a fan of pet careers at all, and don't find the ones in Warhammer lore that compelling.

[Aggronaut]

Ya I was surprised when I read that. I have no idea what it could be but I am kind of disappointed. I was hoping they would not make another pet class making the Squig Herder more unique.




i hope they do release a pet class for HE that way squig herders aren't over populated like hunters in WoW, and i also like killing pets.

Off Topic: anyone ever get so pissed a at a WoW hunter, that you kill their pet to make them pissed?

[Biocide]

To start, many thanks to the quick replies on the IP question, I'd interpreted it to mean that, but couldn't quite figure out the abbreviation.

Now, as to my earlier comment, I'd have to say that it'd really be a shame to have another ranged pet class that uses physical means to damage (bows, crossbows, knives, etc.). The biggest reason why to me is that Mythic seems to have invested a ton of time into their squig herders to avoid making them into your typical pet class. With a class so unique and well developed, sure they could do it again, but by doing so, they'd ruin the uniqueness of the squig herder as they'd inevitable reuse the ideas, which changes the ideas from being completely new to being a little bit less.

If they're going to stretch the lore, doing so to put the shadow warriors in as the pet class just doesn't have the same level of development the rest of the game has carried. The point of many classes has been to break the archetypes or at the very least drastically redefine them, but adding another definition to an archetype already used is pretty weak.

Side note: Aggronaut, if you're still playing WoW, that doesn't matter much as whenever the hunter dies and rezzes, the pet will come back at full happiness, so the pet dying doesn't really do much.

[Nerothos]

Not only that, Biocide, but taming animals isn't any of the gimmicks of existing High Elf units.

I stated it dozens of times before:

Shadow Warriors are Warriors. They fight, and kill. They sleep with their armor on and with poisoned daggers under their pillows.

White Lions kill lions as a sign of Strength, Courage, and Determination. Their gimmick is not about being all lovey-dovey with nature.

[roadkizzle]

YES, they aren't all Lovey Dovey with animals. But, you don't HAVE to be. You respect the power of animals, and you harness it. It's the same that humans do. I'm not all Lovey Dovey with animals. I kill plenty of them, but I still take the time to train dogs. Why? Because I respect them, and they are useful tools, as well as companions.

Obviously, if White Lions have chariots pulled by lions, they already have to have a supply of lions tamed and trained. When a war begins, you won't have time while fighting to go back, and tame, and train a lion just so you can use a chariot.

In the TT game, when GW went through, trying to decide how the TT army would fight, it does not fit with the feel of the rest of the army to have packs of lions with companions running around, so even though it could fit with the background of the class, the units in the TT game don't have access to them. It happens MANY times in the game. That units in the TT are not allowed access to abilities they have in the lore.

[Dyeus]

I think Jade Wizards as healers with a nature elemental summon or something to help with the damage or vice versa could work. Not sure if that's backed up by the lore very well though. Maybe walking trees, or those things from the Orc public quest demo, that whip out vines for dps or maybe rooting etc.
Just a (very crappy) idea.

[Taurth]

Jade Wizards are part of the Empire. High Elves use High Magic which is a delicate mix of all the winds of magic (iirc).

[Gemini]

After reading all this, my money is on a mage-type getting elementals, though it would still be cool to have a melee pet class.

[Dustandpolos]

I feel a couple of people are being a little narrow-minded about Shadow Warriors.

Shadow Warriors are, indeed, warriors. They do not have a mystical connection with nature. They are not tree-hugging druidic types or defenders of the pretty green forests and prancing fawns who graze peacefully at their feet.

However, I'm not saying they are, nor do they need to be to be a pet class.

As established, none of the High Elves are like the stereotypical pet class, defending Nature (whatever that is) with a faithful and beloved animal companion by their side. However, an alliance with an intelligent and powerful race is a different matter - no-one calls the Dragon Lords anything less than Ulthuan's greatest warriors, and their dragons are their main source of strength because they are the old allies of the Caledorian Princes.

In the same way, why wouldn't Shadow Warriors communicate with intelligent creatures like the great eagles? Shadow Warriors are guerrilla fighters, relying on excellent knowledge of the landscape and movements of their enemies to strike in precise raids then escape again in the confusion. If ordinary High Elf mages make use of the services a Great Eagle can offer in scouting and military intelligence, why wouldn't their Nagarythe bretheren, for whom such information often makes the difference between life and much worse than death?

Besides which it has been asserted that Shadow Warriors are warriors not rangers. D&D archetypes may be useful certain situations, but are not applicable across the board; a warrior is just a fighter of some type, be it with sword and brute force or a bow and a poisoned blade. Shadow Warriors may be warriors, but they fight primarily through hunting and ambushing their prey, attacking suddenly with deadly accurate bowfire, like the Ranger archetype tends to. Shadow Warriors live in the wilderness for long stretches (indeed are possibly nomadic? I haven't read enough background to know but it seems likely from the army lists). They may not have any mystical bond with nature, but they're sure as hell going to know how to use natural advantages that present themselves, and if Great Eagles represent a potential source of military intelligence and fighting power in the bleak north of Ulthuan, the Shadow Warriors are going to have tapped it.


In short, a Shadow Warrior can be a pet class without simply becoming another nature-loving D&D ranger/WoW hunter; perhaps by calling select, lore-approved allies (such as Great Eagles) to strike unexpectedly for him while the enemy's back is turned then vanish again rather than follow him around like a lapdog, and definitely no taming of in-game wildlife.

Note, I'm still not saying the Shadow Warrior will or should be the pet class, only that there strikes me as little reason why it couldn't be done.

[mongoose]

Jade Wizards are part of the Empire. High Elves use High Magic which is a delicate mix of all the winds of magic (iirc).

Actually from what Ive read this isnt quite correct .........High magic is its own form of magic and distinct from the lesser or lore magics and not just a simple mixing of them. It should be noted though that High Elves are as equally adept at unleashing the power of the lesser magics as they are at wielding high magic.

Whilst lesser races must study magic in its corrupted, broken form, High Elf Mages harness its power as pure, mystical energy. The minor spells of the Asur, those Lores Of Magic taught to Men by the legendary High Elf Mage Teclis, are but a pale reflection of the power that can be wielded by an Asur fully trained in the magical arts at the White Tower.

The ebb and flow of the winds of magic are the Asur's to command, summoning great energy into themselves or denying it to the enemy. The tumultuous eddies of magic can be smoothed, and used to alter the High Elf's material realm, while the most accomplished Mages can enter the realm of magic and leave behind their physical shell.

So while both the lesser magics and high magic tap the same sources for their power, high magic uses the base power that the individual winds use. This might be a matter of semantics to some or an important difference to others. ;)


Now as to this whole HE pet class speculation........Im a BIT torn when it comes to the choices available because, as many have pointed out, once you have a pet you are a lesser practitioner of whatever alone and NONE of the HE classes deserve that dubious destinction.

Shadow Warrior - Highly unlikely since a real pet of any sort would be a stretch for the lore. As I mentioned above how can they be both masters of the bow AND sword AND have a pet to boot? :rolleyes:

High Mage - Turning a High Mage into a summoner and using elemental pets, while cool as is, really dosent fit the power a High Mage wields. I would prefer them being a pure ranged DPS class like the Bright Wizard only wielding high magic exclusively (esp the devestating drain magic :twisted:)

White Lion - Now I was probably the first one to suggest giving them Lions as pets when it was first discussed about a year ago and was promptly laughed at by all the HE gurus. So Im a bit surprised to see many here so supportive of it now.

As I said then the lore would have to be changed a bit though because it makes ZERO sense that your final initiation act entails killing a lion and then having one as a pet. So I proposed that instead of killing one you are instead required to go out and tame one as your final act of courage. No weapons, only your wit and strength of will to force a wild animal into a submissive companion. Sounds like a TRUE challenge to me. In the end your "pet" would be your brand of status and not the pelt.

I would also place them in as the Tank class because it would be highly unique to have an avoidance fighter with a pet be tanking. Not to mention they would be the only class to specialize in the use of axes. :cool:

Loremaster - A Swordmaster who dabbles in magic. While they do have ties to Eagles, I also envisioned the Loremaster being the HE healer hybrid class so also giving them a pet would really pollute the concept.


So out of the choices I would think the White Lion is the most likely candidate. Sure the lore gets switched out a bit (tame as opposed to kill :rolleyes:) but it also preserves the power of the other classes by not diluting them with a pet. Makes the most sense imho.

I would choose the High Mage as my second choice though.

[Vikingkingq]

I feel a couple of people are being a little narrow-minded about Shadow Warriors.

Shadow Warriors are, indeed, warriors. They do not have a mystical connection with nature. They are not tree-hugging druidic types or defenders of the pretty green forests and prancing fawns who graze peacefully at their feet.

However, I'm not saying they are, nor do they need to be to be a pet class.

As established, none of the High Elves are like the stereotypical pet class, defending Nature (whatever that is) with a faithful and beloved animal companion by their side. However, an alliance with an intelligent and powerful race is a different matter - no-one calls the Dragon Lords anything less than Ulthuan's greatest warriors, and their dragons are their main source of strength because they are the old allies of the Caledorian Princes.

In the same way, why wouldn't Shadow Warriors communicate with intelligent creatures like the great eagles? Shadow Warriors are guerrilla fighters, relying on excellent knowledge of the landscape and movements of their enemies to strike in precise raids then escape again in the confusion. If ordinary High Elf mages make use of the services a Great Eagle can offer in scouting and military intelligence, why wouldn't their Nagarythe bretheren, for whom such information often makes the difference between life and much worse than death?

Besides which it has been asserted that Shadow Warriors are warriors not rangers. D&D archetypes may be useful certain situations, but are not applicable across the board; a warrior is just a fighter of some type, be it with sword and brute force or a bow and a poisoned blade. Shadow Warriors may be warriors, but they fight primarily through hunting and ambushing their prey, attacking suddenly with deadly accurate bowfire, like the Ranger archetype tends to. Shadow Warriors live in the wilderness for long stretches (indeed are possibly nomadic? I haven't read enough background to know but it seems likely from the army lists). They may not have any mystical bond with nature, but they're sure as hell going to know how to use natural advantages that present themselves, and if Great Eagles represent a potential source of military intelligence and fighting power in the bleak north of Ulthuan, the Shadow Warriors are going to have tapped it.


In short, a Shadow Warrior can be a pet class without simply becoming another nature-loving D&D ranger/WoW hunter; perhaps by calling select, lore-approved allies (such as Great Eagles) to strike unexpectedly for him while the enemy's back is turned then vanish again rather than follow him around like a lapdog, and definitely no taming of in-game wildlife.

Note, I'm still not saying the Shadow Warrior will or should be the pet class, only that there strikes me as little reason why it couldn't be done.

A few points:

1. There is a big difference between working with what is an effective independent agent and having a pet. Great Eagles are described as having human levels of intelligence, and they choose to help Elves or not.
2. Shadow Warriors have a rather antagonistic relationship with their land, because it was blasted by Aethyric energy during the Sundering. Most of the animals have been twisted hideous beasts, the earth itself is rocky, barren, and prone to deadly rockslides and such.
3. In any case, they're too damn big for pets. Giant Eagles are bigger than humans, big enough for elves to ride as mounts. Not only would it look ridiculous, but it would be very hard to balance without making either the Elf or the Eagle weak.

[Aaronthethird]

Based solely on the fact the the other pet class in the game is completely devoted to a single creature, I am going to place my bet on the High Elf pet class using Eagles, as that seems like the only single creature that is typical of Elven lore. Elementals and other stuff don't seem very elf-ish, to me at least, whereas an elves and eagles seem more equivalent to the relationship of goblins and squigs. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, thats just my gut feeling.

[Dustandpolos]

A few points:

1. There is a big difference between working with what is an effective independent agent and having a pet. Great Eagles are described as having human levels of intelligence, and they choose to help Elves or not.
2. Shadow Warriors have a rather antagonistic relationship with their land, because it was blasted by Aethyric energy during the Sundering. Most of the animals have been twisted hideous beasts, the earth itself is rocky, barren, and prone to deadly rockslides and such.
3. In any case, they're too damn big for pets. Giant Eagles are bigger than humans, big enough for elves to ride as mounts. Not only would it look ridiculous, but it would be very hard to balance without making either the Elf or the Eagle weak.

All true, and I really don't consider any of this a perfect solution as High Elves really shouldn't have a 'pet class' but as we're lumbered with one I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt see how they might get it to work. I agree entirely that in an ideal situation the Shadow Warrior would have as little to do with pets as a White Lion or any other troop type, but as it is they have decided it is necessary and so this is how they might implement it for Shadow Warriors:

1) There is a big difference between intelligent creatures voluntarily aiding and dumb servile pets. I hope, if this is the route they go down, that they stress this difference by not allowing direct control of the animal or having it tag along with you all the time, with a mechanic similar to ones I have described above. If they must have a 'pet class' this would at least make it at least a pet class with a difference, like they've tried to do with the squig herders. The intelligent ally issue I see more as a potential strength than a problem.

2) Sure, most animals. Great Eagles, without getting too far into speculatory mythological ornithology, would probably be fairly wide-ranging, younger birds moving into the territory whose inhabitants were killed in the Sundering. Nagarythe is a very dangerous place, but the skill of the Shadow Warriors is to be able to identify these dangers, avoid them, use them against their foes, and find resources such as these eagles in a land that to any outsider would look twisted and desolate.

3) Absolutely. And as such the Eagles would need to be scaled down accordingly. At lower levels it would be a younger eagle, the less powerful and experienced Shadow Warriors not having enough reputation to command the respect of the elder birds. Even at top levels you wouldn't be talking about the great beasts that accompany full Elven armies into battle - they are, after all, extremely rare even in TT. Some sacrifice of scale for the sake of balance would be necessary, although perhaps less so if they did something along the lines of having the Eagle being essentially summoned, diving down from the sky to deliver a strafing attack against the Shadow Warrior's target then soaring up into the sky above the battlefield again. That way the size is balanced by the fact it only attacks from time to time, although with little chance of avoiding it, and it fits well with the Eagle being semi-independant, striking the Shadow Warrior's enemies when off-guard and retreating rather than hovering around to take hits for the Elf it is willing to help against a common enemy, but not to die protecting.

[Blitz]

Why does said pet need to be an animal or elemental at all? I'm still for familiars as "pets". Familiars as defined by Games Workshop for their PnP game.

[Dustandpolos]

It's possible. Familiars sound much more of a human thing to me though; as I understand it the PnP rules are focused heavily on the Old World, though I have very little knowledge of the game. They just don't feature anywhere in the TT army book or lore that I've read for HE; not in rules, not in stories, not in small sections of fluff dotted around the books. I may very well be wrong though, and they could always introduce them if they seemed necessary. I'd much prefer any other solution, but that's just my opinion and worth very little to the debate.

[Gaazruk]

Maybe they will make a new thing all together like when they made chaos zealots.

[Dracnye]

Personally, I'd like to see the White Lion + pet combo where the damage/tanking is essentially split 50/50 between the two. Avoidance based tanks that can take on two opponents at once, split hit points, buff each other, stuff like that. Would be different and interesting.

I personally think differently. To say White Lions of Chrace need help in Melee Combat is believing that they are the weakest melee unit in TT. And that is downright rubbish. They are an awesome unit, White Lions don't need pets to fight.

Mage would be the best choice, summoning a familiar to assist them in battle whether it be to free them from melee combat, or to help them with spell casting by providing buffs/regening.

It's possible but doesn't make much sense. What sort of High mage needs familiars to do his healing? High elf mages are supposed to be the most skilled wizards in the world - they can heal stuff on their own.

By High Elf mages I suppose you meant to say Slann.

[Grrblt]

By High Elf mages I suppose you meant to say Slann.

By High elf mages I mean High elf mages. Slann aren't part of High elf army.

[Mortissia]

First question to ask is what kind of Pet class? (A) Pet major or (B) Pet minor. I.e. is the pet just a sideshow act or is it the main billing?

Next ... I'm no TT adict but aren't the High Elves getting a rework soon that involves more dragon content? Maybe young (or minor) dragons will be part of that. I don't know I'm just thinking of possibilities. You have to admit a Dragon (even a minor one) pet class would be popular.

[GrandOne]

First question to ask is what kind of Pet class? (A) Pet major or (B) Pet minor. I.e. is the pet just a sideshow act or is it the main billing?

Next ... I'm no TT adict but aren't the High Elves getting a rework soon that involves more dragon content? Maybe young (or minor) dragons will be part of that. I don't know I'm just thinking of possibilities. You have to admit a Dragon (even a minor one) pet class would be popular.


Not going to happen, even a young dragon is able to kill knights in xxx numbers, but it's a game, so they would make it next to nothing..
Personally, I would like to see some Hawktrainers or something, so theyll pek your eyes out

[Darlos]

"LEG0LAZ LOLZ!11!"

WoW Hunters....but....in WAR?

*Curls up into a ball and sucks his thumb*

[Nerothos]

"LEG0LAZ LOLZ!11!"

WoW Hunters....but....in WAR?

*Curls up into a ball and sucks his thumb*

Only one of the plethora of reasons why I despise the idea of this.

Great Eagles are sentient. Sentient means capable of intelligent and thorough thought processes. This means they would voluntarily work with the Elves. Yes, in war, a Great Eagle might be used by the Shadow Warriors to aid them in scouting. But so could any other elf . There is no training or special words that will make a Great Eagle do something.

[Dustandpolos]

Or rather, there is a special word and it's "please".

When people say pet class they're talking about a game mechanic; having a sentient ally helping you of its own volition doesn't stop it being a pet class, so the Great Eagles' sentience doesn't count against it, and I've already suggested was in which they might be able to make them play differently to reflect this. And yes, other Elves could, but the Loremaster is oversubscribed with abilities already, I'd expect a mage class to be entirely magic focused (though could be wrong) and different Elven classes are good with whatever resources are most readily available/useful to their situation; arguably there's no reason why you couldn't make Dragon Princes a pet class with Great Eagles as there's plenty of Great Eagles in the mountainous parts of Ulthuan, but because Caledor has dragons the Caledorian nobles spend more time and effort mastering dragonlore and riding - Great Eagles just fit Shadow Warriors best IMHO.

I do appreciate the severe danger of Legolasi descending on us as a result, but I'm afraid that's inevitable the minute we get an Elf with a bow, and not so much to do with the Pet class. As for WoW hunters/GW rangers coming over, well it was hardly invented by either game. It a popular, tried and tested archetype. I'd hope for something a bit original, and still trust Mythic to deliver some major twist on the class though.

[Altharius]

i hope that they do not make a pet class for the High Elves. what would you fight with?
" Fear my mighty Elven Squirell" I would much rather see more mage classes than another pet class.

[Aeldor]

There are actuallty quite a few types of High Elves that have some affinity with creatures in the Warhammer world.

The foremost of these may well be the White Lion's of Chrace. It's recently been confirmed by Games Workshop that when High Elves are re-released in the coming months one of their newest unit choices will be a White Lion chariot. This will be pulled by two tamed white lions. Having a (potential) melee dps class with a pet or two would be unusual, but this game is not exaclty well known for sticking to stereotypes.

Being that the one thing that Warhammer High Elves excell in above all else in is magic, it may be that we will have Elemental pets also. As shown in earlier posts there are models that seem to be standing on elementals. That being said as far as i recall there has never before been a minion summoning spell in the Warhammer magic books.

Another possiblity would be Great Eagles. These magestic beasts soar all over the High Elves lands, and are able to communicate almost exclusively with the Loremasters. Some form of sympathetic relasionship here could work really well, especially if the Loremaster was the healer class.

My last thought would be Dragons. Dragons can be sodding huge, but there are also smaller drakes. There were rumours at one point that there may be a new unit in the High Elf horizons called the Drake Riders. It could be that there will be a class that utilises these smaller forms of dragons. I find that one unlikeley though personally.

[Parsley]

Being that the one thing that Warhammer High Elves excell in above all else in is magic, it may be that we will have Elemental pets also. As shown in earlier posts there are models that seem to be standing on elementals. That being said as far as i recall there has never before been a minion summoning spell in the Warhammer magic books.


I'm looking at my ancient dusty 1988 Warhammer Armies book here and there are several minion summoning spells available to High Elves including both elementals and daemons! ;)

[The Disciple]

It isn't hard to invent a melee pet class. Here: a dude with a lion on a leash, he can't send it to do damage because the second he lets go of the leash, it attacks him.

Its mainly not done because it would cause issues with balancing the class againt casters with the increased interruption they could cause.

[Aaronthethird]

I can all but guarantee they won't do a melee class with a pet because that would a really boring class to play. The whole point of pets in games like this is to make it so ranged classes that are completely useless in melee have a tank to play with at all times. The only way you could make a melee pet class is to make it so the pet is a buffer or healer or something like that, which could work, but doesn't fit the warhammer lore at all. I've always thought an interesting idea would be to make a tank class that has a pet fairy or something like that that buffs them or heals them, it would basically be the mirror opposite of the standard pet combo.

[roadkizzle]

The way I imagine a White Lion pet tanker, is to control a pet taunt, as well as a character taunt. The player himself, would probably have a fairly high dodge/parry chance. The lion, would probably have high HP, and be quite tough. This would make it to where the white lion can partially control a couple of people, or fully tank one. This would actually give use for the pet, while still keeping use for the player.

I really hope that the mage does not get familiars, because then they would be little more than buffers while the mage tries to heal everyone.

[Gemini]

I gotta disagree Aaron, I happen to think melee pet classes are fun. I like tearing flesh crushing skulls with a pet right there next to me doing the same, or sending the pet off to keep a squishy busy as I wail on their tank, or whatever. Just because a pet is usally used to keep a ranged class alive and at their appropriate range dosn't mean that is the only function it can serve.

[Altharius]

Just another thought but what if the pet class is like the Ranger from GW. It attacks from a range but it has a pet to do damage and tank for the Ranger. Makes some sense to me becuase the High Elves have archers which dont traditionally use pets in battle but could be changed for the game.

[Vikingkingq]

Just another thought but what if the pet class is like the Ranger from GW. It attacks from a range but it has a pet to do damage and tank for the Ranger. Makes some sense to me becuase the High Elves have archers which dont traditionally use pets in battle but could be changed for the game.

Well, to begin with, it would be almost identical to the Squig Herder.

Secondly, why change the lore to shoehorn in a pet where there shouldn't be when you could integrate pets more easily in other archetypes?

[Darlos]

As much as I dispise a pet class for High Elves (For obveous reasons) I like the idea of the White Lion been a tank with a pet...well...White Lion fighting in Melee with him, another possibility is a Dragon Prince with a Dragon Whelp (Small) with him.

However I don't think you should get it till tier 3.

[Altharius]

Well, to begin with, it would be almost identical to the Squig Herder.

Secondly, why change the lore to shoehorn in a pet where there shouldn't be when you could integrate pets more easily in other archetypes?

I see what your sayin but unless he is a melee fighter with a pet, or a caster with a pet, then the class will be very close to a Squig Herder.

[Gemini]

EDIT: I am officially deaf and/or stupid, sorry guys.

[Vikingkingq]

Quoted from the Classes/Career Q&A



So... white lions with lions, swordmaster with (eagle?), or loremaster with summons? God I hope for loremaster with summons. But that's just me.

I can't believe I missed that. My guess would be White Lions then.

EDIT: Could you direct me to when in the Q+A that was, or if there's a transcript posted?

[Aeldor]

Quoted from the Classes/Career Q&A



So... white lions with lions, swordmaster with (eagle?), or loremaster with summons? God I hope for loremaster with summons. But that's just me.

Not sure why a Loremaster would have summons, when their is a great piece of lore connecting Loremasters with the Great Eagles. In High Elf society, it is the loremasters alone that are capable of talking with the Great Eagles. I reckon it could be a great addition to the game to have quests to get the Eagles to pledge help in some war or other.

Personally though, i'm still holding a torch for a White Lion tank class with a lion off tank pet. I think that would be both thematic, and great fun to play. Here's hoping :)

[Gemini]

I can't believe I missed that. My guess would be White Lions then.

EDIT: Could you direct me to when in the Q+A that was, or if there's a transcript posted?

Go to the thread, but the the last in page instead of the first. A user posted the link to the video, last I check it hasn't been updated on first the page yet.

[Xurré]

Quoted from the Classes/Career Q&A
I've listened to that section of the movie again and again and again (which is at about 10:00 minutes into the movie) and for the life of me I cannot hear what Josh is saying, but it doesn't sound like that quote to me. It sounds more like "the pet order class is going to be in the elf <something>". But then I'm no native speaker (and listening on poor-quality headphones).


- Xurré

[Estebar]

Quoted from the Classes/Career Q&A

The pet order class is going to be a melee character.

It should've been a Witch Hunter with a Warhound. :(

[Taurth]

He says "The pet order class is going to be in the Elf pairing", nothing about it being melee.

[Seldaren]

I've listened to that section of the movie again and again and again (which is at about 10:00 minutes into the movie) and for the life of me I cannot hear what Josh is saying, but it doesn't sound like that quote to me. It sounds more like "the pet order class is going to be in the elf <something>". But then I'm no native speaker (and listening on poor-quality headphones).

I can't quite catch what he's saying either.

I don't think he's saying "melee" though. I think he just says "pet based order character will be an elf character", but he kind of mumbles a bit.

Then the other guys says "sort of, and no I can't tell you what it is".

[Xurré]

He says "The pet order class is going to be in the Elf pairing", nothing about it being melee.
Ah, "pairing"... yeah I can hear that I think. That makes sense.


- Xurré

[VeriusCarth]

For some reason, I dread that they'll latch it on to a Shadow Warrior, even though that'd make no sense.

[Gemini]

Okay, maybe I blatantly misheard him. I'm gonna listen again.

EDIT: Okay, I retract my previous statement, and wonder how the hell I heard melee class instead of elf pairing... I must have just heard what I wanted. Time to go edit, like, 5 posts. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. :oops:

[VeriusCarth]

Well, I had a thought about the pet class.

We're all speculating about pre-existing models being used, this that, and so far, we've gotten a resounding lack of any obvious class.

It's quite possible that they may introduce an entirely new class for the High Elves, as Order's new class. In fact, I'm starting to expect it.

[Throt the Unclean]

I know i'm coming to this topic a little late, but I just have to say that a generic highelf pet class is a terrible idea all round. The only possible way I could see it working would be with summoned elementals or familiars.

If they go with the classic D&D ranger with pet wolf route, then they're basically throwing the lore out the window. We all know that pet classes are stupidly popular but that's really no reason just to make stuff up. What's the point in even having an IP if you're not going to try and stick to it?

[SargeGranitefist]

I love the familiars suggestion; imagine having like a faerie as a constant companion... omG i love it!! good ideas ;)

What state do you live in?

[SargeGranitefist]

It should've been a Witch Hunter with a Warhound. :(

That would have been sweet, and attack dog while you sit back with a bandolier of flintlocks.
Or like a Captain in LotRO, have a flagellant human pet. That runs wildly at your target praising Sigmar.

[Nerothos]

I know i'm coming to this topic a little late, but I just have to say that a generic highelf pet class is a terrible idea all round. The only possible way I could see it working would be with summoned elementals or familiars.

If they go with the classic D&D ranger with pet wolf route, then they're basically throwing the lore out the window. We all know that pet classes are stupidly popular but that's really no reason just to make stuff up. What's the point in even having an IP if you're not going to try and stick to it?

QFMFT.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so...

[Selendor]

I'm not really a High Elf fan, but I kind of hope that the High Elf pet class is a mage of some kind. Otherwise, I really don't think it works. White Lions are great, but making them a pet class would ruin it for me. They're the strongest Elves in Ulthuan, and IMO they should be able to stand toe to toe with their opponents without the aid of a pet, particularly one as strong as a lion.

Shadow Warriors I wouldn't be quite so upset about, but I'd still be disappointed. If they want to add variety to your basic stock archer class, why not do it with some melee abilities and Shadow magic?

[Arcadox]

I'm actually hoping it's not the mage, because I want to be a mage, and I don't want some element things helping me out.

Only 8 or so more days till we (probably) will find out!

[VeriusCarth]

No one else is entertaining the idea that they might be making a custom class for pets, like they did with Zealot, since Chaos needed a healer, rather than trying to bend an IP character to fit some odd need?

After all, Order hasn't seen a custom class yet, what's to say it won't happen at all?

[Yvo]

So a lot of people have a problem with a new thing being made. But did you all have this reaction to the complete creation of zealots?

[VeriusCarth]

So a lot of people have a problem with a new thing being made. But did you all have this reaction to the complete creation of zealots?

It's not that they're angry that something new might be made, at this point, they majority is figuring that they're going to pluck an existing character/class out of Warhammer, and bend it to make it fit a pet class role.

I just suggested that they should consider the possibility that it could be entirely new, like the Zealot. As far as I can tell, the two things thus far, aren't related.

[Dustandpolos]

I'm hoping we won't see an invented class, not because I have anything against adding things inkeeping with the IP and necessary for gameplay, but because an invented class would displace another well-established class, and as there are more than 4 types of Elven combatants I'd like to see in the game, to be cut down to three might well be worse than having 4 put in albeit 1 of them in a slightly corrupted form.

[VeriusCarth]

I'm hoping we won't see an invented class, not because I have anything against adding things inkeeping with the IP and necessary for gameplay, but because an invented class would displace another well-established class, and as there are more than 4 types of Elven combatants I'd like to see in the game, to be cut down to three might well be worse than having 4 put in albeit 1 of them in a slightly corrupted form.

You have a point, but I'm afraid they can't appeal to everyone, in fact, something struck me about this earlier: Say that... the Shadow Warriors get put in, right? Now, in one of the videos they describe the archetypes. Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, Healers.

Right? So. The previous announced Ranged DPS classes included the two casters, from Empire and Chaos respectively, as well as the Dwarven Engineer, and the Goblin Squig Herder. The latter two classes use weapons, instead of magic. Assuming the Shadow Warrior gets a bow like he should, you probably wouldn't be getting a caster anyway. Unless they decide to tone down the bow, and have the Shadow Warrior focus on Melee DPS (Which I wouldn't be at all adverse to, despite a few problems with lore)... you're not getting a Mage DPS class anyway. In this case, it's likely that the pet class will be said Ranged DPS (unless of course they decide to make it melee, which opens up the possibility of having a caster in place of Shadow Warriors. :sad:)

However, at this point, I'm fairly sure it'll be something along the lines of:

Tank: Undecided (Dragon Princes?)

Melee DPS: Swordmasters

Ranged DPS: HE Pet class.

Healer: High Elf Mage.

Now, assuming we're not jumping the gun by saying the Swordmasters are in, this could be a very different list. So... a lack of information equates to the eventual, too early to tell, response. So... we're going to have to wait a week or so, and see what they give us in Leipzig.

[mmofreak]

I truly hope Shadow Warriors do not get a pet. I have my heart set on this class and would be really disappointed if they are not the "pure" archers that they should be.

[dutch_gamer]

So a lot of people have a problem with a new thing being made. But did you all have this reaction to the complete creation of zealots?

No, we didn't have the same reaction. The reason being that the High Elves already have many iconic units which can be turned into careers for each archetype. Chaos simply doesn't have that many different human units, so they had to "make something up". Although the Zealot is based on cultists from Warhammer lore but with a Tzeentchian twist.

I also think that just because Destruction has a pet class, it shouldn't mean that Order should get one as well. Why add a pet class when there are so many other viable iconic units for each archetype, but there is no real pet class in the TT? It is just as if they bending lore for "balance". But I don't think it is even necessary to have a pet class on both sides. Pet classes are usually very popular and with them being on the side that will be seen as "evil", it would have helped a bit with the balance in the game.

[VeriusCarth]

No, we didn't have the same reaction. The reason being that the High Elves already have many iconic units which can be turned into careers for each archetype. Chaos simply doesn't have that many different human units, so they had to "make something up". Although the Zealot is based on cultists from Warhammer lore but with a Tzeentchian twist.

I also think that just because Destruction has a pet class, it shouldn't mean that Order should get one as well. Why add a pet class when there are so many other viable iconic units for each archetype, but there is no real pet class in the TT? It is just as if they bending lore for "balance". But I don't think it is even necessary to have a pet class on both sides. Pet classes are usually very popular and with them being on the side that will be seen as "evil", it would have helped a bit with the balance in the game.

I mention it just 'cause balance seems to be something they're striving for, and hardly any HE classes at the moment really would fit becoming a pet class without simply kicking their lore in the face.

Personally, I'm excited that it has the prospect of being a new class entirely (might be interesting, who knows?), but I'm disappointed that it's a pet class. There really are a bunch of other classes I would prefer to see, that aren't pet classes.

[Nerothos]

No, we didn't have the same reaction. The reason being that the High Elves already have many iconic units which can be turned into careers for each archetype. Chaos simply doesn't have that many different human units, so they had to "make something up". Although the Zealot is based on cultists from Warhammer lore but with a Tzeentchian twist.

I also think that just because Destruction has a pet class, it shouldn't mean that Order should get one as well. Why add a pet class when there are so many other viable iconic units for each archetype, but there is no real pet class in the TT? It is just as if they bending lore for "balance". But I don't think it is even necessary to have a pet class on both sides. Pet classes are usually very popular and with them being on the side that will be seen as "evil", it would have helped a bit with the balance in the game.

No freaking kidding.

Thank you for presenting my point in a much more organized fashion. :P

[Vikingkingq]

No, we didn't have the same reaction. The reason being that the High Elves already have many iconic units which can be turned into careers for each archetype. Chaos simply doesn't have that many different human units, so they had to "make something up". Although the Zealot is based on cultists from Warhammer lore but with a Tzeentchian twist.

I also think that just because Destruction has a pet class, it shouldn't mean that Order should get one as well. Why add a pet class when there are so many other viable iconic units for each archetype, but there is no real pet class in the TT? It is just as if they bending lore for "balance". But I don't think it is even necessary to have a pet class on both sides. Pet classes are usually very popular and with them being on the side that will be seen as "evil", it would have helped a bit with the balance in the game.

Hear hear. I would also add that I would be ok with a new career that fit the HE well that wasn't a pet class - personally, I think pet classes are a poor fit with the HE and that adding them for the purposes of balance does not jive with existing design philosophy of "fun you f#ckers" and "be not crap."

[VeriusCarth]

Hear hear. I would also add that I would be ok with a new career that fit the HE well that wasn't a pet class - personally, I think pet classes are a poor fit with the HE and that adding them for the purposes of balance does not jive with existing design philosophy of "fun you f#ckers" and "be not crap."

Hear hear yourself, that's quite the agreeable statement. I'd much prefer a new class that's not a pet class. Pet classes just... y'know... they're not that great that they should be included in every game. At least, not for HE. =/

[Dustandpolos]

I agree too. In fact, I've seen virtually no High Elf player who thiks this pet class is a genuinly good idea. However, we're stuck with one now for whatever reason, so we can only speculate as to what it is and hope they make the best of a bad job. Given what we've seen of the classes so far and their excellent maxims, I think they deserve a bit of faith, though I can't for the life of me work out they're going to make High Elf pet class as interesting/different as the squig herder.

[Kun]

I'm surprised at people's inability to think a bit out of the box. So in a MMORPG your pet can only be either:
-A summoned magical being (familiar/elemental/demon/whatever)
-A trained animal companion?

How about the so called pet class is, for example, an infantry commander, summoning High Elf militia's "pets" (that could get better equipped and trained as he levels up) before joining in the fray, maybe not even limited to just one companion, but to an array of them? CoV had a class made up like this, the mastermind, and it was a very fresh concept, and very enjoyable to play.
Or, if you want to stick to a single pet, take a look at the Captain class in LOTRO (boring game, i know). Support melee/off healer, with buffs and an herald (Again, a human being!) pet carrying his standard... Even though the idea of a character giving his companions buff by shouting orders is already used by the KotBS.

All this coming from a future destruction player... I just hope mythic can come out with a new intresting class for me to fight in rvr :)

[Nerothos]

To be honest, I'm less concerned about how it's mechanics or balance will play out; EA Mythic is experienced in balancing for RvR, it's not my primary concern.

My primary concern is keeping our beautiful lore intact after tacking on this alien concept.

[Xurré]

I'm surprised at people's inability to think a bit out of the box. So in a MMORPG your pet can only be either:
-A summoned magical being (familiar/elemental/demon/whatever)
-A trained animal companion?

How about the so called pet class is, for example, an infantry commander, summoning High Elf militia's "pets" (that could get better equipped and trained as he levels up) before joining in the fray, maybe not even limited to just one companion, but to an array of them? CoV had a class made up like this, the mastermind, and it was a very fresh concept, and very enjoyable to play.
Or, if you want to stick to a single pet, take a look at the Captain class in LOTRO (boring game, i know). Support melee/off healer, with buffs and an herald (Again, a human being!) pet carrying his standard... Even though the idea of a character giving his companions buff by shouting orders is already used by the KotBS.

All this coming from a future destruction player... I just hope mythic can come out with a new intresting class for me to fight in rvr :)
Hmm, good point. And would definitely be interesting. I loved playing a MM in CoV (until the game itself just became a repetitive grind).

Though it would definitely need to be a symbiosis between the 'pet' and the player, since High Elves aren't that numerous and aren't the kind to use others for their ends (that's dark elves who would do that).


- Xurré

[Grrblt]

I truly hope Shadow Warriors do not get a pet. I have my heart set on this class and would be really disappointed if they are not the "pure" archers that they should be.

Shadow Warriors shouldn't be pure archers. They are skilled in melee. What you are thinking of exists in the woodelf Waywatchers. So a Shadow Warrior in WAR should absolutely have melee sword skills, both because that's what they normally do and also because otherwise there would be no chance for a waywatcher expansion class.

[Aeldor]

Shadow Warriors shouldn't be pure archers. They are skilled in melee. What you are thinking of exists in the woodelf Waywatchers. So a Shadow Warrior in WAR should absolutely have melee sword skills, both because that's what they normally do and also because otherwise there would be no chance for a waywatcher expansion class.

While I'd agree that they should have 'some' sword skills, i'm not sure where this idea that they are even nearly as good in close combat as at range comes from? Having the High Elf army book open in front of me i notice that only two out of the possibe five differant models even carries a blade, and both of those are scabbarded. As well as this, all of their skills are ranged ones. Their unit leader even gets the bonus ballistic skill, just as all other totally ranged specialised unit leaders get. In their fluff, it speaks nothing of their sword skills, but of their bow skills.

i think they should certainly be able to use a cc weapon, and indeed use it better than most humans/orcs. However saying that is what they 'normally' do is a stretch.

edit: the models in the army list itself only carry 'one generic hand weapon' also.

[VeriusCarth]

While I'd agree that they should have 'some' sword skills, i'm not sure where this idea that they are even nearly as good in close combat as at range comes from? Having the High Elf army book open in front of me i notice that only two out of the possibe five differant models even carries a blade, and both of those are scabbarded. As well as this, all of their skills are ranged ones. Their unit leader even gets the bonus ballistic skill, just as all other totally ranged specialised unit leaders get. In their fluff, it speaks nothing of their sword skills, but of their bow skills.

i think they should certainly be able to use a cc weapon, and indeed use it better than most humans/orcs. However saying that is what they 'normally' do is a stretch.

edit: the models in the army list itself only carry 'one generic hand weapon' also.

I dunno, the picture where a Shadow Warrior is stabbing a Dark Elf through the head really speaks to me.

While this has nothing to do with the gameplay, it's part of the reasons why I like Shadow Warriors. XD

[Eltair Shadowblade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E
i think(or hope:P) the shadow warrior will fight as the one in the movie (he comes in around 3:00 secs)

first letting some arrows fly, and then run after them, killing the last with his blade

[Arcadox]

Everyone is gonna hate this comparison, but Shadow warriors are kinda like legolas. Even though he is amazing at archery, he can definitely hold his own in close combat. They are not 'pure' archers in any sense, they are more like battle-hardened rangers.

[Taurth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6v552xk4E
i think(or hope:P) the shadow warrior will fight as the one in the movie (he comes in around 3:00 secs)

first letting some arrows fly, and then run after them, killing the last with his bladePretty sure thats a Waywatcher in that video.

[Nerothos]

Pretty sure thats a Waywatcher in that video.

There's a huge thread on it in the Shadow Warrior forum.

Were pretty sure it's a Shadow Warrior. :p

[VeriusCarth]

Everyone is gonna hate this comparison, but Shadow warriors are kinda like legolas. Even though he is amazing at archery, he can definitely hold his own in close combat. They are not 'pure' archers in any sense, they are more like battle-hardened rangers.

Legolas was awesome before he was played by Orlando Bloom, and every girl everywhere thought he was the hottest thing on the face of the planet. In the books, he was the most kickass character.

As for the video posted above, I'd have to agree with it being a Shadow Warrior, he's wearing armor and using a blade. Waywatchers don't use swords, to my knowledge. That, and there were no Wood Elves in the game, so a Shadow Warrior would make more sense.

[Dustandpolos]

Yeh but he was so boring. He can run on snow, he can see for miles, he can drop people with his bow with his eyes shut, he has nothing to worry about if they actually get to him, he knows all the elven lore and special names, he has nothing but pure and honourable intentions, in fact I could never work out why they didn't just give him the ring and sent him on his way, freeing the rest of them up for largescale eating, drinking and smoking until he got back the following Monday having used his special Tolkein Elfiness to wander into Mordor and back completely unnoticed. He was just dull.

I'm pretty sure it's a Shadow Warrior as Wood Elves don't appear anywhere in the game as you said, although Waywatchers get a hand weapon just like everyone else, so probably would have swords, but surely not armour. However, I also think he must have been a hero at least, as no ordinary High Elf takes down that number of Chaos Warriors single-handed; I imagined him a ranger-hero like Ceridan in Shadows of the Horned Rat. Ie. don't be assuming that all Shadow Warriors are as capable in melee as him.

[VeriusCarth]

Well, I read the Lord of the Rings when I was a good bit younger, so the whole, idea of him being able to do a lot of pretty crazy stuff is what made me go, "Holy crap! Elves rock!" I'm starting to see how biased Tolkein was about Elves, making them so special and what have you, and I guess I can't blame him, if I particularly liked a race of people, I'd probably play them up more than a race I might not like so much.

I thank Legolas for being the one to make me like Elves, because if he hadn't been around, I wouldn't have cared long enough to realize how awesome Warhammer Elves are. So, I guess I've got some fond feelings for the character, because of that.

[Vikingkingq]

Pretty sure thats a Waywatcher in that video.

Nope. Even the director of the video said: that's a Shadow Warrior.

[Tro]

warlocks maybe?

[Gemini]

warlocks maybe?

Now, I'm no high elf lore buff, or any lore buff, but I'm pretty damn sure they don't have warlocks. Not to mention most warlocks I've seen don't really keep demons as pets.

[Taurth]

There's a huge thread on it in the Shadow Warrior forum.

Were pretty sure it's a Shadow Warrior. :p
Nope. Even the director of the video said: that's a Shadow Warrior.

I stand corrected. :p

[Nerothos]

warlocks maybe?

You deserve to be smoted.

Then tarred. And feathered.

Why not flog you while were at it.

[wellsy]

warlocks maybe?We have found a witch! May we burn her?!

[Vikingkingq]

We have found a witch! May we burn her?!

But of course. Witches are for burning.

[Blaze]

warlocks maybe?

Hur hur why are the elves in this game not purple?! LOL!!!!!




*clears throat*

I'll get my duster coat and hat and join you guys at the pyre.

[Aeldor]

Getting the thread back on track slightly...

For anyone interested, confirmation of the new High Elf Lion Chariot.
http://www.asur.org.uk/ulthuan/viewtopic.php?t=21337

Scroll down a little for a picture.

Makes me think its possible this could be the pet class? If you can braid a lions beard, you can certainly make it your pet :P

[VeriusCarth]

Getting the thread back on track slightly...

For anyone interested, confirmation of the new High Elf Lion Chariot.
http://www.asur.org.uk/ulthuan/viewtopic.php?t=21337

Scroll down a little for a picture.

Makes me think its possible this could be the pet class? If you can braid a lions beard, you can certainly make it your pet :P

That practically closes the deal for me. I'm fairly sure it'll be The White Lions, now.

So, that's Melee DPS.

Sweet, everything is working out perfectly. *Maniacal plotting*

[Aeldor]

That practically closes the deal for me. I'm fairly sure it'll be The White Lions, now.

So, that's Melee DPS.

Sweet, everything is working out perfectly. *Maniacal plotting*

Haha yeah i'm thinking pretty much the same tbh. With the addition of Korhil as a Hero i'd imagine GW would want the White Lions promoted as much as possible.

[R-A-B]

Why has no-one done to possibility of the pet itself being a great eagle?
There in the lore for definate

[Vikingkingq]

Why has no-one done to possibility of the pet itself being a great eagle?
There in the lore for definate

A couple reasons:

- Great Eagles are gigantic. Much bigger than Elves, not event counting wingspan - heck, they're big enough that they some times (AND ONLY IN THE CASE OF EPIC HEROES) can carry an elf like a gryphon. They'd be much too big for a pet, unless you were willing to dumb down their damage - in which case, you'd be doing an injustice to a great TT unit.

- Great Eagles are sentient, intelligent beings, "haughty and proud." They don't take orders unthinkingly like pets do, they serve as independent agents on the battlefield.

[Aeldor]

Why has no-one done to possibility of the pet itself being a great eagle?
There in the lore for definate

It has been discussed that they could ally themselves to a loremaster style class. In the lore its stated that the only Elves they will talk to are the loremasters.

[R-A-B]

A couple reasons:

- Great Eagles are gigantic. Much bigger than Elves, not event counting wingspan - heck, they're big enough that they some times (AND ONLY IN THE CASE OF EPIC HEROES) can carry an elf like a gryphon. They'd be much too big for a pet, unless you were willing to dumb down their damage - in which case, you'd be doing an injustice to a great TT.

I have never seen a giant eagle THAT big. Every single minature is about this size (http://uk.games-workshop.com/woodelves/gallery/10/), I know thats a warhawk but there not any bigger. one for an actual great eagle is here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fantasyshop.gr/gallery/wh-highelves-armyfoto2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fantasyshop.gr/good.asp%3FsectionID%3D3%26prodID%3D457%26catID%3D 4%26vendorID%3D7&h=387&w=270&sz=61&hl=en&start=76&um=1&tbnid=-ZcmfqhRABF0qM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgiant%2Beagle%2Bhigh%2Belves%26start% 3D72%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN), right at the bottom left picture poking out from the side. not good, but it has its scale.
Either way there not smegging dragons, just rare unit flyers exactly like undead giant bats. Only possible problem is wingspan, which doesn't matter "that" much

- Great Eagles are sentient, intelligent beings, "haughty and proud." They don't take orders unthinkingly like pets do, they serve as independent agents on the battlefield.

It's hardly lore breaking that they have some sort of class use them as a pet. He's not asking them to fetch the paper

[Dasquigman]

Ya I was surprised when I read that. I have no idea what it could be but I am kind of disappointed. I was hoping they would not make another pet class making the Squig Herder more unique.
but then again for WAR to make things even they would have to make a even good and the same kinda type as in they could have made him someone who somons a demon or pet witch would make things more even

[Vikingkingq]

I have never seen a giant eagle THAT big. Every single minature is about this size (http://uk.games-workshop.com/woodelves/gallery/10/), I know thats a warhawk but there not any bigger. one for an actual great eagle is here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fantasyshop.gr/gallery/wh-highelves-armyfoto2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fantasyshop.gr/good.asp%3FsectionID%3D3%26prodID%3D457%26catID%3D 4%26vendorID%3D7&h=387&w=270&sz=61&hl=en&start=76&um=1&tbnid=-ZcmfqhRABF0qM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgiant%2Beagle%2Bhigh%2Belves%26start% 3D72%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN), right at the bottom left picture poking out from the side. not good, but it has its scale.
Either way there not smegging dragons, just rare unit flyers exactly like undead giant bats. Only possible problem is wingspan, which doesn't matter "that" much

http://ca.games-workshop.com/news/cn/articles/Soc_ca/craig/army/hero_b.jpg

- a better indication of scale. The Great Eagle is larger than an elf, and would have to be by quite a bit to carry one and still fly.


It's hardly lore breaking that they have some sort of class use them as a pet. He's not asking them to fetch the paper

Upon occasion, they will agree to serve as transportation. But to serve as your personal tank/decoy/punching bag? Most undignified.

[logicalmayhem]

we will know in 2 days dont sweat it

[PlagueLord]

i hate pet classes they just clutter up the screen when there is too many in the same area..and there will be too many.

[Darlos]

Mages getting tiny little Elementals I wouldn't mind infact I'd think it was good, as one of the Lustria High Elf Mages is riding some Elementals... No, not like that.

[Aeldor]

Copied across from another forum type place.

My pet class hopes would be that you start off as a rookie White Lion. After a couple levels you are sent off to kill the famed lion that gives you your name. During the course of the fight you defeat the beast, and proudly skin it, to create your cloak, when you notice a cub nearby. The cub smells its mother on you, and decides to follow you home. Cue twinkling music, and fast forward 20 levels, and the lion has grown up, and is your new erstwhile ally!

I think thatd be nifty.

[Linkusmax]

Cept White Lions (The animal) are actually Chaos infested mutants.

The White Lion Chariot is pulled by a different type of lion.