Another can of worms.

[Seventh Child]

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/articles/showentry.php?e=61

WHA: Is the Marauder career another one limited to male avatars?
Mythic: Yes, the Marauder is another male only career.

Ouch.

I think I'm just going to ease this out here on a 10ft barge pole and leave it. Though I am slightly disappointed.

[Selandri]

Fairly horrendously large thread in the General Discussion forum about this entitled 'Marauders - Male Only'

Though the ten foot barge pole was a good idea ;)

[Kiminara]

Order should get half of their classes male-only for compensation. I mean, this is getting ridiculous.

[DaddysGirl]

Order should get half of their classes male-only for compensation. I mean, this is getting ridiculous.

What..? Dont you mean female-only... for compensation. Lol....

[Kiminara]

no, cause i'm pissed of all these classes not being female(cause i'm a girl), so i want them to feel the same pain

[Zacaris]

Make Magus and Zealots female only and watch the males of Chaos crai. =P

[DaddysGirl]

no, cause i'm pissed of all these classes not being female(cause i'm a girl), so i want them to feel the same pain

ouch... what about ur fellow sistas? How about just ditch those sexist Chaos and join Order, eh... eh? ^.^

[Ranti]

no, cause i'm pissed of all these classes not being female(cause i'm a girl), so i want them to feel the same pain

I am a male and in the past have played a female avatar as a main, and i know female friends who have had male toons as mains.

I don't see that female = female avatar

Now you should rephrase, I want those who want female avatars to feel my pain


Second off all, only 2 destruction races are sexually restricted, greenskins do NOT count, as they are purely asexual, saying they are male is just as much a bastardization of lore as saying they are female. If anything, the goblins are really feminine and the orcs are masculine, but both are asexual

Furthermore, to me there seems to be a high possibility that the dark elves will receive two female only classes, witch elves and sorceresses. If this is the case, the female to male ratio on destruction will be balanced.

[Kiminara]

I am a male and in the past have played a female avatar as a main, and i know female friends who have had male toons as mains.

I don't see that female = female avatar

Now you should rephrase, I want those who want female avatars to feel my pain


Second off all, only 2 destruction races are sexually restricted, greenskins do NOT count, as they are purely asexual, saying they are male is just as much a bastardization of lore as saying they are female. If anything, the goblins are really feminine and the orcs are masculine, but both are asexual

Furthermore, to me there seems to be a high possibility that the dark elves will receive two female only classes, witch elves and sorceresses. If this is the case, the female to male ratio on destruction will be balanced.

green skins may be asexual, but they do not look female at all, and look strongly male. I know what you are saying, but I might have rolled greenskin, if it were not for how they look. I for one, do not like playing male characters.

and to the other person who said that i should go order.....no way. hehe. i hate light/brightness/good side/whatever. always "evil"

[Ranti]

That is the problem, you want a toon with a nice rear end and a good rack, you want a definetly HUMAN female looking character.


If anything, goblins have very strong "feminine" characteristics, they have pointy elongated features, with slim muscles.

I would go far to say they are more feminine than masculine, throw on a rack on them and most people would agree, but there lies in the problem, breast are a purely mammalian body structure, and it is not natural for fungus to differentiate sexually.

So in a sense, greenskins have two "feminine" variety and two "masculine" variety

There are plenty of female options on destruction, there will be at least 6 females, 2 male only, and 4 asexual


.......i don't want to seem to rant, but the desire for female greenskins has really gotten on my nerves, it first and foremost would look stupid and ignorant, and it would kill the lore, and finally it would crush the look and feel of the greenskins



and one parting question: would you be equally angry if mythic introduced several female only careers for Dark elves? in particular witch elves and sorceresses?

[Ranti]

green skins may be asexual, but they do not look female at all, and look strongly male. I know what you are saying, but I might have rolled greenskin, if it were not for how they look. I for one, do not like playing male characters.




so what you are saying is you would really never roll a true to GW lore depicted Greenskin?

because orcs DO NOT HAVE FEMALES, heck they don't even have males, they come in one variety...well 3-4 (orcs, gobbos, snotlings, etc) ...but Orcs come in one that is :-)

greenskins are really as Mythic has depicted them in the game, they are true to gw lore

[Baron Khaine]

Good, I am glad that Marauder's are male only, I have nothing against female gamer's, nor against females in battle. But, in the lore females in these Marauder tribes would stay at home and guard the homestead. This is not me being chavinistic, far from it, this the lore, the Marauders are Northmen, and should be represented as such, the women are the homemaker's, the men are the warmaker's. Call me what you want, call me old fashioned, call me sexist, I really don't care, that's the way I see it, and from this announcement that's the way that Mythic/Games Workshop see it.

And as for the female dwarfs fighting, I have an answer to that, a fairly simple answer that should really have occurred to all the people who went "In the lore Dwarf females stay at home and protect the home and children, so why can Dwarf Females play?", well you've pretty much just answered your own question, a dwarf city is under attack, the dwarf females who reside within the city are going to defend that city, remember, whereas the Chaos are attacking from the inevitable city, which is not where the Marauder females would reside, they would reside possibly further away in the North, the Dwarf females are facing battle on there doorsteps. Remember the story, Order is being surrounded on all sides and are close to defeat from the Hordes of Destruction.

[Selandri]

All I have to do, is copy and paste.

Liber Chaotica: Tzeentch.

"Those who are foolish enough to believe that they might come to understand the motivations and plans of this most deceptive god must surely be deluded, for Tzeentch is the Father of Lies and Deception, the Master of Fortune and the Architect of Fate."

"This situation could be seen to be a product of the types of people that are drawn to worship Tzeentch, and the methods that they use to spread their influence throughout society. For where Slaanesh attracts mostly hedonists and dreamers to His cause, Tzeentch more often than not attracts educated men and women of great drive and ambition."

"Tzeentch loves schemers. Anyone who plots and plans their rise to personal success and power through devious or convoluted means will invariably attract Tzeentch's gaze - although this in itself does not mean that these people are necessarily bound to Him or doomed to be His servants."

"Yet Tzeentch, at His core, is the embodiment of the desire for change, and any being who wishes to alter their own (or anyone else's) state are likely targets for the predations of this unkind deity."

"Any visionary - man or woman - who dreams or actively tries to change the world, whether they be nobles or statesmen seeking to improve the list of their nation, or usurpers plotting to overthrow corrupt officials and bring justice to the community they live within, all run the risk of attracting Tzeentch's gaze."

"Whether they are magisters from one of the great Imperial Colleges, or healers, witches, warlocks or any other magically inclined individual it would appear that Tzeentch accepts the worship of all with an equal and passionate enthusiasm."

"Amongst the Northmen there are those who feel the pull of Chaos stronger than others. Their gods call to them. Such gifted men and women are said to tread the path of the gods and head in search of glory, power and ultimately, immortality."

"The Northmen are great warriors, and not only the men for there are many amongst their womenfolk whose strength at arms and ferocity far surpasses that of the soft races of the South. Their lives are a constant battle against each other and against nature - for the lands of the north are home to many fierce, heavily mutated and irrationally violent creatures."

Last two quotes from the Chaos Army book in its latest incarnation. There's nothing more canon than that.

[Baron Khaine]

I still don't see how the Norscan Women would leave there homestead and fight in a battlefield a long way off, when there home needs defending from the numerous tribes and dangers that inhabit the Chaos Wastes. Quote all you want btw, Mythic and GW have made there mind up about this, it's not going to change, and I for one and behind them 100% in this decision.

btw notice how there called NorthMEN.

[Commentaris]

Last two quotes from the Chaos Army book in its latest incarnation. There's nothing more canon than that.

and now we have another version of warhammer saying that there are no male marauders or chosen. or is WAR not canon enough?

[Rotgut_Eadsmasha]

Even though I really don't care if people are upset about the Male only classes and asexual Orks.
I would love to see this (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/CA0707_03.jpg) in lady mode. Topless and everything! Because we all should know that Marauders don't wear shirts. Ever. Photoshoppers... start... your... engines!

...

God, it would be so many layers of gross.

[Noli me Tangere]

Even though I really don't care if people are upset about the Male only classes and asexual Orks.
I would love to see this (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/CA0707_03.jpg) in lady mode. Topless and everything! Because we all should know that Marauders don't wear shirts. Ever. Photoshoppers... start... your... engines!

...

God, it would be so many layers of gross.

Oh dear. I just had this flash of images. I don't know why, but I just had a flash of the demon this one female character, from Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga, turned into. If anyone remembers Argilla's form, they know what I mean. :rolleyes:

[Seventh Child]

btw notice how there called NorthMEN.

O_o...I'm sorry. I meant to keep this on a 10ft barge pole but this was just legendary.

"men and woman", "man and woman" was repeated throughout the post and you picked up the one tiny-

Nevermind. Back to the pole!

[Sagesse|Emil]

From what I've read in the lore, and from books...every time I read about the northmen raiders, they are always portrayed as men.

Also, I do think that making the Marauder female would be tricky and the model itself would just be quite odd looking...but being that WAR is a dark world, a female marauder does not escape my imagination.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

I'm actually more in favor of male only Marauders than male only Chosen.

Chosen I think should've been male and female (if only in name, with models looking exactly the same), while Marauders... for some reason when they say male only I go 'Ok, that's fine'

Personal opinion entirely.

[Ralzar]

From what I've read in the lore, and from books...every time I read about the northmen raiders, they are always portrayed as men.


As opposed to dwarfs and empire armies? How often are they portrayed as anything but men?

I really wouldn't have minded this whole thing if they'd just been consistent. But when they first stretch the lore to include females for all the order classes there really is no lore excuse for not doing it for destruction (except greenskins obviously since they're all asexual, but obivously male in every way that counts. Heck, the race is so male they don't even have females :P)

[Baron Khaine]

As opposed to dwarfs and empire armies? How often are they portrayed as anything but men?

I really wouldn't have minded this whole thing if they'd just been consistent. But when they first stretch the lore to include females for all the order classes there really is no lore excuse for not doing it for destruction (except greenskins obviously since they're all asexual, but obivously male in every way that counts. Heck, the race is so male they don't even have females :P)

See Ralzar, i've actually thought about this before, and wondered when people said Dwarf and Empire armies are gonna be using females, well for a start we can throw Empire out of the window because we won't be fighting for the Empire's army, nor using any of the traditional "army" classes, Witch Hunter's can be both male and female in the Lore, as can Warrior Priests (Sisters of Sigmar), Bright Wizards and Knights of the Blazing Sun worship a goddess, so females are allowed there as well.

Dwarf's on the other hand are a different story. In the Lore Dwarf females stay at home and defend the homestead. And that is exactly what they are going in WAR, they will be defending there city that is under attack from the Orcs, the war has been brought to there door-step, so they will fight to defend there homes.

Marauders live further away in the North than the Inevitable City, and I can't really see many Marauder's living in the Inevitable City, therefore, the females of the Northmen stay at home and defend the homestead, much like the Dwarfs, but there homes are not at stake in this conflict, unlike the Dwarf city.

I'll leave it up to the Chosen to defend there reasons why there Male Only, i'm here to defend why Marauders are male only.

That's my take on things anyway.

[Commentaris]

what's wrong with a little inconsistency anyways?

GW themselves haven't exactly been consistent over the last 25 yrs.

[Noli me Tangere]

Dwarf's on the other hand are a different story. In the Lore Dwarf females stay at home and defend the homestead. And that is exactly what they are going in WAR, they will be defending there city that is under attack from the Orcs, the war has been brought to there door-step, so they will fight to defend there homes.

I'm sure they won't wander off to other areas, such as chaos or dark elf or empire lands, at all, ever, to fight in the game. Never. Not once. Ever.

It certainly goes completely hand in hand with:

Though many of the women of the hold are trained for battle, they are never enlisted in the armies or march to war alongside the men.

:rolleyes:

Marauders live further away in the North than the Inevitable City, and I can't really see many Marauder's living in the Inevitable City, therefore, the females of the Northmen stay at home and defend the homestead, much like the Dwarfs, but there homes are not at stake in this conflict, unlike the Dwarf city.Female chaos warriors, let alone females in general that follow chaos do not stay home and defend their kitchen. The lore fully allows for female warriors of chaos, it does not prohibit either the chosen or marauder class.

[Selandri]

Sweet mother of blissful sheep molestation.

Hey. Check it. Human. God damn my sex life just got weirder.

Whether GW and Mythic have made the decision was never the issue. It was that we were told it was contrary to lore to have female Chosen or Marauders. I do believe that point has been debunked to the nth degree so people are resorting to 'well live with it', which quite obviously we have to.

Oh, and WAR canon? No. Not even close. Research it a bit.

I am not arguing Mythics right to do unto the lore what I do unto sheep, nobody is. We are questioning the justification of it is against the lore when it quite sodding blatantly is not.

[Noli me Tangere]

Sweet mother of blissful sheep molestation.

Hey. Check it. Human. God damn my sex life just got weirder.

Whether GW and Mythic have made the decision was never the issue. It was that we were told it was contrary to lore to have female Chosen or Marauders. I do believe that point has been debunked to the nth degree so people are resorting to 'well live with it', which quite obviously we have to.

Well, actually, what they said about Chosen wasn't that they were not allowed in the lore (that was the case with the Marauder). What they said about female Chosen was that they didn't feel that they could make female Chosen look iconic enough.

Which.. okay, maybe that's true, but they had to know that would sound like a cop out or like laziness or like a lack of creativity on their part (I'm not saying it's any of those things, I'm saying that they had to know it's what it would sound like, regardless of whether such would be true or not).

Given that no one, that knows what they're talking about, can actually argue against the existence of female Chosen, it's not so much a lore issue, as an issue of.. what they're willing to do. And they, apparently, just aren't willing to do this. The decision, apparently, was made early on. Why? Who knows. I wish I did, because.. the "we can't make female Chosen iconic" just.. doesn't sound right.

I could imagine it.. so I have an issue with seeing how they couldn't imagine them as something iconic, if someone as uncreative as myself can.

[Selandri]

My bad, it's late and people are making my head tattoo the desk. And Baby Nurgle is crying. I fed him a nurgling but he won't hush. I didn't even realize I had typed Chosen there.

[Taurth]

Sweet mother of blissful sheep molestation.

Hey. Check it. Human. God damn my sex life just got weirder.


I laughed.

Seriously though, I think the argument that its against the lore is moot, since its been proved otherwise.

Why Mythic decided this I don't know, but I wouldn't be nearly as bothered about it if they just gave us the real reason, be it that they couldn't get it to look right (yeah I'm not too keen on that but at least it isn't a blatant lie) or that they couldn't fit it in time and would likely patch in it later in the game after launch (we already know some things like this will be likely, as they've said guild housing won't be in for launch but made it sound like it would be added at some time).

[Ceilingcat]

I really wouldn't have minded this whole thing if they'd just been consistent. But when they first stretch the lore to include females for all the order classes there really is no lore excuse for not doing it for destruction (except greenskins obviously since they're all asexual, but obivously male in every way that counts. Heck, the race is so male they don't even have females :P)

Someone explained how Orks exemplify every stereotypically negative aspect of masculinity (violence, stubborness, etc.) while goblins exemplify the stereotypically negative aspects of femininity (manipulation, cowardliness, etc.).

[WastedTrojan]

Well, all i can say is that im positive the Dark Elf females are going to awesome and I am also fairly sure that all of their classes will either be both genders or female only. If you think orcs and gobbos are too manly and you don't want to play a male character than you will still have 6 destruction choices and at least 1 of every architype. Still not really starved for choice.

Technically its only 8 female classes for Order also unless they get some male only roles. Almost nobody ever plays a female dwarf, im sure it would be the same way with WAR.

[Kiminara]

yes, all you guys have made valid points. I'm totally new to the warhammer world, and I dont' know too much about it yet, aside from the few things I've read about dark elves, waiting for their classes to come out.

I see why there aren't female marauders, it would be difficult to make a model for them, and still have them look awesome. But also with staying "at home". It just....frustrates me, is all. I just hope no more destruction classes become male-only.

[Zeetchmen]

I never really understood what the big deal was..

Anyway, so long as the game Rocks everyones socks, I don't think many will care if Chaos lacks bewbies

[Taurth]

I feel sorry for females because they'll have to roll a Dark Elf if they want to play a female Melee DPS class.

But what annoys me the most is how Mythic hides behind the argument of "Its in the lore". Theres been loads more examples of female Chaos warriors, than there has been of Dwarf females fighting, or for some of the Empire classes. It wouldn't bother me as much if they just said "Sorry guys, we can't get the model to look right. We're really sorry", but instead they use lore as excuse. It isn't fair to have these double standards, like allowing female Dwarfs but using a stupid argument against female Marauders.

[Hatemonger]

Someone explained how Orks exemplify every stereotypically negative aspect of masculinity (violence, stubborness, etc.) while goblins exemplify the stereotypically negative aspects of femininity (manipulation, cowardliness, etc.).

Anyone who says that goblins look feminine should automatically be put on everyone's 'ignore' list.

I'm sorry, but that is just the definition of 'reaching'. Oh, and lol!Destruction. It's going to be a sausage fest.

[Arijharn]

I can understand their decision to not including female Chosen for the lack of 'iconicness', but for the life of me I can't translate that to the marauders. Surely they could get away with a muscular 'wrestler' type woman at least? With more than a hint of crazedness, tatoos, etc.

It's not as if they couldn't design a female that is noticeably female as a marauder either. IF they can fudge the lore with female Witch-Hunters and Knights of the Blazing Sun, why can't they fudge it with the marauders at least?

I'm not going to get my pitchfork or whatever, but I just think this is really daft of Mythic. They can adapt reference materials for female Dwarf's for example, yet they can't for marauders who are essentially human? My mind boggles.

[Hatemonger]

The Marauders don't warrant a wrestler-type female in the first place. They don't look like body-builders in the concept art.

[Rerisen]

Easy solution.

Mutation Ability

Change Gender (50 AP) - The marauder turns into a female. :)

[Selandri]

Easy solution.

Mutation Ability

Change Gender (50 AP) - The marauder turns into a female. :)

Like me on the weekend!

[Disciple]

i think that mythic is adhearing to the IP. if anyone has a real issue, take it up with GW for not putting female chaos warriors/knights/marauders into the TT.

from what i remember, chaos TT is predominatly male. with daemonettes and sorcerers ish classes the ones with females in their ranks.

i, personally, am ok with chosen and marauders being male only, as they fit the IP more.

[ApricotSoup]

i think that mythic is adhearing to the IP. if anyone has a real issue, take it up with GW for not putting female chaos warriors/knights/marauders into the TT.

from what i remember, chaos TT is predominatly male. with daemonettes and sorcerers ish classes the ones with females in their ranks.

i, personally, am ok with chosen and marauders being male only, as they fit the IP more.

This is the general misconception. Chaos is one of the armies that lore wise has a decent number of instances of females fighting particularly among various marauder factions. This is in direct contrast to the empire and dwarfs which feature the exact opposite (I remember 1 female dwarf ever being seen on the battlefield in lore or game).

What's annoying people a long way is Mythic brushing people off with the IP excuse which is in direct contrast to any kind of truth. If they said it was about the model I think people would have been more lenient but coming out with this has pissed a large number of people including me off.

[Noli me Tangere]

This is the general misconception. Chaos is one of the armies that lore wise has a decent number of instances of females fighting..

Yes.

Well, all i can say is that im positive the Dark Elf females are going to awesome and I am also fairly sure that all of their classes will either be both genders or female only. If you think orcs and gobbos are too manly and you don't want to play a male character than you will still have 6 destruction choices and at least 1 of every architype. Still not really starved for choice.

Technically its only 8 female classes for Order also unless they get some male only roles. Almost nobody ever plays a female dwarf, im sure it would be the same way with WAR.

But only two of those are melee classes, and those two are only Dark Elf classes, and Dark Elves hardly fit into an aesthetic that applies to everyone's taste (With all the elf hate on these forums, I'd think more people would realize this). And the Dwarf Army has females in the game, so, no, it's 12. Whether a large portion of people play them or not.

[Fluks]

BOOO! :evil: They should think of the population balance this can cause! Theres barely any female alternatives on Chaos...

[Ashnari Doomsong]

I wish they'd stop dumbing down the Warhammer universe to make Chaos look more evil. I mean, it's CHAOS! It's not supposed to follow gender rules or, well anything! It's bleedin' anarchy versus what is supposed to be tyranny, but fails and becomes a stereotypical "Oooh, we're really nice and good, even the Witch Hunters are only a little ruthless" nation. Grrrmph.

[Sparra]

I wish they'd stop dumbing down the Warhammer universe to make Chaos look more evil. I mean, it's CHAOS! It's not supposed to follow gender rules or, well anything! It's bleedin' anarchy versus what is supposed to be tyranny, but fails and becomes a stereotypical "Oooh, we're really nice and good, even the Witch Hunters are only a little ruthless" nation. Grrrmph.

And this is what I'm afraid of. Fine, chosen I can sorta see as not being able to get the look right, but Marauders? You'd only need to modify the Zealot's female model so that it stands up a bit straighter (and adjust mutations as well) and you'd get very close to the general look. As far as revealing armor goes, simply put a leather strap over the female's chest and there you go! It would allow the same general look of the Marauder without throwing the game into a M or AO rating...

If you can't put them in at lauch, at least patch them in later!

[Throt the Unclean]

Someone explained how Orks exemplify every stereotypically negative aspect of masculinity (violence, stubborness, etc.) while goblins exemplify the stereotypically negative aspects of femininity (manipulation, cowardliness, etc.).

Only thats wrong wrong wrong, and i wish people would stop propagating it.

Firstly, as far as physical forms go Orcs are clearly a distorted image of an exagerated male. Wide chest, powerful muscles, large hands and overly masculine faces. Reversely Goblins display very few feminine characteristics. They're small hipped, Flat chested, rather stocky, with large noses and big chins that make them look more like Jimmy Hill (http://tinyurl.com/2kkrkd (http://tinyurl.com/2kkrkd)) than any woman

Mentaly, most goblin traits aren't stereotypically feminine at all. Cowardice for example, does anyone really believe that women are more cowardly than men? After all is there anyone more willing to stand in the way of danger than a woman whose children are in trouble?

Manipulation can be seen as a traditionaly female way of getting what you want, but really it's used by anyone lacking enough power to take things by force. It's only because Orcs oppress goblins, and men traditionally opressed women that we notice a similarity. Among other goblins, the strong take from the weak just as Orcs do, and in the same way Orcs bully Goblins, goblins themselves abuse their snotling cousins.

Really in appearence and behaviour, instead of the females of greenskin society, Goblins are more like the Children. Orcs certainly treat them that way anway.

[Throt the Unclean]

More on topic, I do feel Mythic are misrepresenting Chaos with the gender restricted classes. I mean Dwarfs are meant to be as traditionalist and conservative as they come, and even they're letting their women out to fight in this game.

Tzeentch on the other hand is suposed to be egalitarian. Things like sex, race or even species are of no concern to him when he choses his folowers, and yet here he is mustering his forces for the biggest invasion of Empire lands in centuries and suddenly all his fron't line troops have adopted the policy of "no girlz alowd"

Doesn't make a lot of sense to be honest.

[Ceilingcat]

Only thats wrong wrong wrong, and i wish people would stop propagating it.

Firstly, as far as physical forms go Orcs are clearly a distorted image of an exagerated male. Wide chest, powerful muscles, large hands and overly masculine faces. Reversely Goblins display very few feminine characteristics. They're small hipped, Flat chested, rather stocky, with large noses and big chins that make them look more like Jimmy Hill (http://tinyurl.com/2kkrkd (http://tinyurl.com/2kkrkd)) than any woman

Mentaly, most goblin traits aren't stereotypically feminine at all. Cowardice for example, does anyone really believe that women are more cowardly than men? After all is there anyone more willing to stand in the way of danger than a woman whose children are in trouble?

Manipulation can be seen as a traditionaly female way of getting what you want, but really it's used by anyone lacking enough power to take things by force. It's only because Orcs oppress goblins, and men traditionally opressed women that we notice a similarity. Among other goblins, the strong take from the weak just as Orcs do, and in the same way Orcs bully Goblins, goblins themselves abuse their snotling cousins.

Really in appearence and behaviour, instead of the females of greenskin society, Goblins are more like the Children. Orcs certainly treat them that way anway.
The use of "stereotype" is important.

[Throt the Unclean]

The use of "stereotype" is important.

But there is no stereotype of women as goblins. It just doesn't exist. If you saw a short, stocky, ugly little woman running around, giggling and poking animals with sticks, you wouldn't think "how stereotypically feminine" you'd think she was insane. Perfectly normal behaviour for a goblin squig herder though.

Same goes for swinging a ball and chain round and round manically til you fall over (http://tinyurl.com/25yvzd) or bouncing up and down on what is esentially a living space hopper ( http://tinyurl.com/yrm3nq). All classic examples of goblin behaviour and all as unfeminine as you can get.

Face it, if goblins are a negative stereotype, its the cruel, cowardly and hyperactive 8-year old boy. Poking things with sticks, whirling around in circles, bouncing up and down, then running away when the grownups (read orcs) come to put them in their place. They're the clasic portrayal of ADHD kids.

[Kiminara]

Really in appearence and behaviour, instead of the females of greenskin society, Goblins are more like the Children. Orcs certainly treat them that way anway.

I agree. Goblin's do seem more like children, in regards to the Orc's. In no way am I saying that goblins are "childish", just that when comparing them to orc's, they are more like children, not women.

[Diabolix]

and to the other person who said that i should go order.....no way. hehe. i hate light/brightness/good side/whatever. always "evil"


Chaos is strong in this one :)

A lot of girls don't like playing male avatars I wouldn't blame you if your angry :( Dark elfs you might wanna play dark elfs Im sure they will appeal to alot of the female audience because Greenskins is too masculine and chaos have half thier classes male only and dark elfs is whats left but they are still really cool and evil and dark :D :D :D

[heavyhebrew]

BOOO! :evil: They should think of the population balance this can cause! Theres barely any female alternatives on Chaos...

HAHAHAHA, Fluks meet the Druichi, a matriarchal theocracy based upon murder and mayhem.
Look up Witch Elves.
All the women who want to play a truly evil class will play a Witch Elf, especially since Khaines greatest "holiday"(Death Night) consists of the Witch Elves going out onto the street and murdering and hunting fellow Dark Elves.
A witch elf is a uber sadist dominatrix serial killer cannibal with a penchant for magic and the wearing of skins of the other races. The witch elves serve as the High Priestess of Khaine, the bloody handed god of murder. Can't get more evil than that.:)

Chaos isn't evil, it is, for lack of a better definition, insane. No one can truly comprehend the true nature of chaos. It defies comprehension. Chaos encompasses both evil AND good.
You want evil, especially in the Warhammer world, then the Druichi are the best game in town.

[Taurth]

I doubt the woman who don't want to play an Elf in a chainmail bikini, like a lot of people, will play a Witch Elf, whether they want to be evil or not.

[Saintofnowhere316]

Come on, out of anything to argue woemns rights for, video games aren't one of them. I'm sorry but this just seems like a useless argument to me.

[Hatemonger]

Then by all means don't post in it. Simple enough.

Honestly though, this topic has very little to do with 'women's rights' in the first place. This isn't some feminist rally, so stop trying to turn it in to one.

[Krowen]

See Ralzar, i've actually thought about this before, and wondered when people said Dwarf and Empire armies are gonna be using females, well for a start we can throw Empire out of the window because we won't be fighting for the Empire's army, nor using any of the traditional "army" classes, Witch Hunter's can be both male and female in the Lore, as can Warrior Priests (Sisters of Sigmar), Bright Wizards and Knights of the Blazing Sun worship a goddess, so females are allowed there as well.

Dwarf's on the other hand are a different story. In the Lore Dwarf females stay at home and defend the homestead. And that is exactly what they are going in WAR, they will be defending there city that is under attack from the Orcs, the war has been brought to there door-step, so they will fight to defend there homes.

Marauders live further away in the North than the Inevitable City, and I can't really see many Marauder's living in the Inevitable City, therefore, the females of the Northmen stay at home and defend the homestead, much like the Dwarfs, but there homes are not at stake in this conflict, unlike the Dwarf city.

I'll leave it up to the Chosen to defend there reasons why there Male Only, i'm here to defend why Marauders are male only.

That's my take on things anyway.
According to all this, dwarf females should'nt be able to raid the enemy cities, they need to stay home and defend their kitchen. No epic loot for them.

[Soulreaver]

yes, all you guys have made valid points. I'm totally new to the warhammer world, and I dont' know too much about it yet, aside from the few things I've read about dark elves, waiting for their classes to come out.

I see why there aren't female marauders, it would be difficult to make a model for them, and still have them look awesome. But also with staying "at home". It just....frustrates me, is all. I just hope no more destruction classes become male-only.

Well, it looks like DE might get Witch Elf and Sorceress to negate the male-only classes of chaos.

[Krowen]

Well, it looks like DE might get Witch Elf and Sorceress to negate the male-only classes of chaos.

Dark Elves having female only careers in no way compensates for chaos having male only careers, it only further narrows our choices

[LookinGreen]

Dark Elves having female only careers in no way compensates for chaos having male only careers, it only further narrows our choices

It only narrows it if you let it.

[Krowen]

It only narrows it if you let it.

No, it narrows it.

[LookinGreen]

No, it narrows it.

I'm not saying it is wrong that people want to play there own gender, but that is purely a personal choice. No where does Mythic say that men aren't able to play female only careers and women aren't able to play male only careers. I am limiting myself on race: I won't play elves. It's not Mythic fault for putting elves in, they aren't limiting me, I am limiting myself. So yes we narrow our own choices by personal preference.

[Krowen]

I'm not saying it is wrong that people want to play there own gender, but that is purely a personal choice. No where does Mythic say that men aren't able to play female only careers and women aren't able to play male only careers. I am limiting myself on race: I won't play elves. It's not Mythic fault for putting elves in, they aren't limiting me, I am limiting myself. So yes we narrow our own choices by personal preference.

Alright, uh.

Gender specific careers = less... choices (idk any other way to explain it). A girl can still roll a marauder, but her avatar cant be female and thats narrowing her choices.

[LookinGreen]

I was assuming you meant your class choice. Which of course gender specific wouldn't limit your choices unless you let it.

[Asuril]

I support their decision on Chosen. I'm on the fence about Marauders, but, to be honest, I can completely understand it.

I think this decision is mostly an aesthetic one. What people need to consider is just how horribly warped Marauders are. Their entire arm turns into a shark. They're clothed in straps of leathers, are covered with hair and scars, and are extremely bestial. The iconic Marauder is a huge muscular Norseman who'll keep hacking you apart until he finds something more fun to hack.

Seen Firefly? These guys are freakin' Reavers with tentacles.

Quite simply, a female Marauder would break this imagery.

Of course, we have seen that women can be strong soldiers, leaders, and body-builders, but I think Mythic would be dealing with even more unnecessary issues if they actually had half-naked, filthy, torn-up bloody women with terrifying mutations consuming half of their bodies.

Or, if you need a fluff-stand point, consider that Marauders are most often the warriors who've devoted themselves to fighting for their gods, but do not have the talent, brains, or wit to be a Chosen, Magus, or Zealot. Instead, they rely entirely on their brute muscles and 'gifts' from their god. Consider also that these 'gifts' will just as soon devour the Marauder as they will their enemy; the Marauders are not exactly a precious commodity to the Gods.

I believe that the female Norsemen will be relying on their wits, intellect, and personal skill to survive and to please the Chaos gods in battle. Anatomically, they just cannot match up to the brawn of your average male Norse brute. Which is probably, and perhaps ironically, to their benefit- I'm sure there's a much longer life expectancy for a typical Magus than a Marauder.

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but, would you really even want to play a female Marauder? I imagine if it was included it would be the absolute lowest played gender/class combination. And, considering finances and deadlines, it wouldn't be practical for Mythic to bother. I'd personally rather have them spend the resources elsewhere (like making the animations not look like crap).

[Throt the Unclean]

Seen Firefly? These guys are freakin' Reavers with tentacles.

Quite simply, a female Marauder would break this imagery.


I'm pretty sure there were female reavers, at least in the film, so isn't this a rather poor example?


I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but, would you really even want to play a female Marauder?


If they looked cool enough sure, and why wouldn't they look cool? Barbarian women with spikes and claws and tentacles, what's not to like?


I imagine if it was included it would be the absolute lowest played gender/class combination.

Lower than female dwarfs? I doubt it.

[Hatemonger]

Lower than female dwarfs? I doubt it.

Pretty much.

If vicious barbarian-esque women with terrifying mutations were an option, they'd be much more popular than female Dwarfs. And no matter how much you try to justify it, from a lore point of view, there is absolutely no reason we should be seeing female Dwarfs raiding cities if their chaotic counterparts can't.

So yeah, it's mostly aesthetics, and if they hadn't mentioned 'lore' at all, then it probably wouldn't have spawned such a whine-fest. But hell, I love these topics. The arguments are so easy to tear down. :p

[Noli me Tangere]

I'm pretty sure there were female reavers, at least in the film, so isn't this a rather poor example?

There were female Reavers period. Everyone on that planet was affected, some simply stopped doing things altogether, the other percent went absolutely berserk. They never said "Just the guys went berserk", and, they showed female Reavers more than once so..



If they looked cool enough sure, and why wouldn't they look cool? Barbarian women with spikes and claws and tentacles, what's not to like?

I imagine it would be fine for many people. And possibly a national phenomenon if/when released in Japan.

Lower than female dwarfs? I doubt it.

Quite so.

[Throt the Unclean]

There were female Reavers period. Everyone on that planet was affected, some simply stopped doing things altogether, the other percent went absolutely berserk. They never said "Just the guys went berserk", and, they showed female Reavers more than once so..

Figured as much. Only ever saw the film so I didn't want to speculate on the series.

[Asuril]

I'm pretty sure there were female reavers, at least in the film, so isn't this a rather poor example?

Hm, I'm going off the series, but you're right, regardless. Good point.


If they looked cool enough sure, and why wouldn't they look cool? Barbarian women with spikes and claws and tentacles, what's not to like?

I think they'd look pretty cool as long as there's no attempt to make them attractive (a common problem in every MMO). They're not hot dark elfs who'll seduce you then slice you to bits. They're horrifying bear-women with tentacles.


Lower than female dwarfs? I doubt it.

It depends. If they look frightening and cool and not like supermodels in furs with some dirt on them (and a claw-arm), then I'd certainly consider playing one.

But, who dislikes dwarf women? My girlfriend is a big fan of them. And let me tell you, she'd sooner play a male Marauder or Chosen than a female equivalent.

They could be avoiding it because of the rating. I'd rather have them drop a gender/class combo than have them add in chainmail bikinis.

[Throt the Unclean]

I think they'd look pretty cool as long as there's no attempt to make them attractive (a common problem in every MMO). They're not hot dark elfs who'll seduce you then slice you to bits. They're horrifying bear-women with tentacles.

No arguments there. There is an alluring, seductive side to chaos ofc, but it's probably more slaanesh's department. Female Maruders would need to focus more on the brutal, feral look. Matted hair, ugly scars, blood soaked clothes, etc.


But, who dislikes dwarf women? My girlfriend is a big fan of them. And let me tell you, she'd sooner play a male Marauder or Chosen than a female equivalent.

Speaking from my limited MMO experience, Ie: WoW. Dwarven females had to be among the lowest populated of the alliance race/sex combos. Think we only ever had 1 or 2 in a guild of 60 or 70 people. It's all anecdotal sure, but dwarfs were always the least played alliance race acording to Warcraft cenus, and I know for a fact that there were a lot more dwarf men running around than women.


They could be avoiding it because of the rating. I'd rather have them drop a gender/class combo than have them add in chainmail bikinis.

If witchelves are in game and there's a damn good chance they are, then chainmail bikinis are pretty much a given. Once one class starts showing a little skin I doubt the rating is going to change by adding a second (Even if the skin in question is scarred and mutated beyond recognition).

[Hatemonger]

So many assumptions. -_-

I wouldn't expect them to be any more attractive or hideous than the current male model, which is perfectly fine.

Mythic definitely wouldn't design them to look like supermodels, and from the models in game already, there's absolutely no reason to assume they would.

Of course Dwarf females will appeal to some, just like every other gender/race combination. However, Dwarfs are most likely going to be the least popular race, and they are

How would female Marauders hurt rating any more than male ones? What do chain mail 'bikini's have to do with Marauders in the first place? There's very little official artwork on what female Marauders look like, so Mythic would have freedom in designing them...furs, chains, hooks, leathers, pelts, feathers...there's a lot more than can be done than 'chain bikinis'. Hell, I even expect similar armor if Witch Elves are chosen.

So yeah...I'm not understanding your arguments too well.

[kharnage]

I believe...

That whatever reason mythic gave was fine. It doesn't really matter to me. I know some people are really taking the whole thing kind of hard. I would imagine the following went into the decision.

1. Females in both cases would look horrible. I know some people are going to say that is fine, but a lot more would have serious issues. Just look at orcs. Not male or female, but because they look masculine it has been said many times that "it's going to drive women and their girl/guy away" They may have figured going through the hassle for a handful of people wasn't worth it (compared to everything else going on).

2. Conspiracy theory. They are afraid of too many people joining the side of evil, so are making sex restricted classes. I don't really believe this. The majority of people will always choose the good guys, and not enough people would be affected by the restricted classes to make a difference one way or another. This theory would explain female dwarfs and warrior priests though.

3. Lore. Yes there are examples of females being "blessed" by chaos, but it seems very rare. So mythic decided not to include it. That would be reasonable if it wasn't for female dwarfs. I don't really buy into this.

4. Female chosen and maurauders simply don't fit into what Mythic/GW wants to do. It would be hard to just come out and say it, because there is no concrete reason. Its just not what they wanted to do. I fell this is pretty likely.

It seems to me number 1 and 4 is most likely, although it is possible that the others got involved. Regardless, Mythic/GW have been around long enough to know that no matter what they said some people would be unhappy. They know more than anybody around here about the numbers of different people that play and effects of restricted classes.

It doesn't really matter. I just wish the game would come out!!!!!!!!!!

Edit:
I have not included the more far out theories (sexists plot because mythic doesn't take females into account), etc. Feel free to add anything I forgot or didn't think of.

[Asuril]

I guess I'm not being very clear. I apologize.

My comment about the chainmail bikinis and rating was just a joke. Like Throt said, the Dark Elfs pretty much have that market cornered.

However, if you consider the current Marauders are "Bare chested, all the time!", then it's reasonable to assume the female equivalent would be in a similar state of undress. I'm not a prude, this wouldn't bother me at all (as long as they're not total babes).

I'm really just throwing in ideas rather than attempting to argue my side of the debate. Like I mentioned in my first post, I'm on the fence. The more I think about it, I think female marauders could be pretty freakin' sweet.

At any rate, that's one less gender/class set of armor and models that Mythic has to make, which means they'll have the resources to put it somewhere else. Sounds okay to me.

[Throt the Unclean]

I guess I'm not being very clear. I apologize.

My comment about the chainmail bikinis and rating was just a joke. Like Throt said, the Dark Elfs pretty much have that market cornered.

However, if you consider the current Marauders are "Bare chested, all the time!", then it's reasonable to assume the female equivalent would be in a similar state of undress. I'm not a prude, this wouldn't bother me at all (as long as they're not total babes).

Nah they need something up there, for support more than anything. Having them jiggling away all the time just isn't what you need when you're trying to stave some Warrior Priest's head in with the axe like apendage growing out of your arm.



I'm really just throwing in ideas rather than attempting to argue my side of the debate. Like I mentioned in my first post, I'm on the fence. The more I think about it, I think female marauders could be pretty freakin' sweet.

Easily. If Mythic hadn't written them off so early, we'd be seing some stunning character art for them i'm sure. They say chaos melee females wouldn't have worked Aesthetically but i have a hard time believing it. Especially with the Marauder.


At any rate, that's one less gender/class set of armor and models that Mythic has to make, which means they'll have the resources to put it somewhere else. Sounds okay to me.

Well sure if you weren't planning to play one it's fine, but for the people who were actually hoping to play a female chosen or maurader things aren't so happy. I'd really hate to think the whole gender restriction thing's just a cost cutting mesure on Mythic's part, but it is a possibility.

[Asuril]

Well sure if you weren't planning to play one it's fine, but for the people who were actually hoping to play a female chosen or maurader things aren't so happy. I'd really hate to think the whole gender restriction thing's just a cost cutting mesure on Mythic's part, but it is a possibility.

Yeah. Well, if that's the case, maybe they'll add them in at a future date.

[Throt the Unclean]

That whatever reason mythic gave was fine. It doesn't really matter to me.

Well if you don't care about the issue at all, then of course you'll be ok with the reasons given. It's the people who actually have an interest that mythic needs to work on convincing.


1. Females in both cases would look horrible. I know some people are going to say that is fine, but a lot more would have serious issues. Just look at orcs. Not male or female, but because they look masculine it has been said many times that "it's going to drive women and their girl/guy away" They may have figured going through the hassle for a handful of people wasn't worth it (compared to everything else going on).

A woman can be vicious and brutal and unwashed and still look feminine. Well maybe not feminine in a conventional sense, but clearly female anyway. The Male mauraders are crazed and dangerous and bloodsoaked, and look awsome as hell. No reason females couldn't look just as good.


2. Conspiracy theory. They are afraid of too many people joining the side of evil, so are making sex restricted classes. I don't really believe this. The majority of people will always choose the good guys, and not enough people would be affected by the restricted classes to make a difference one way or another. This theory would explain female dwarfs and warrior priests though.

I really doubt this is the reason. Just doesn't make sense to me. You seem to feel the same way so we'll leave it at that.


3. Lore. Yes there are examples of females being "blessed" by chaos, but it seems very rare. So mythic decided not to include it. That would be reasonable if it wasn't for female dwarfs. I don't really buy into this.

Nonsense. It's only rare in the miniatures, and that's not something that's unique to chaos. There's probably only something like 20 female models over the whole of the current Warhammer fantasy range. Fluff wise it's explicitly stated that the gods of Chaos are open to all who wish to embrace them, and Norse women are said to be just as vicious and brutal fighters as their men. Still, like you say since Dwarf women are in, lore reasons are pretty much null anyway.


4. Female chosen and maurauders simply don't fit into what Mythic/GW wants to do. It would be hard to just come out and say it, because there is no concrete reason. Its just not what they wanted to do. I fell this is pretty likely.

It's not really a reason though is it. "Female Mauraders aren't in but we're not really sure why. We just felt like it" Got to admit it's pretty weak.


It doesn't really matter. I just wish the game would come out!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, it's not so big a deal in the grand scheme of things. It just bugs me that Chaos is being portrayed as this stoneage, chauvinist patriarchy when really they're supposed to be the most open and accepting faction. Tzeentch doesn't care who's fighting in his name. They're all just pawns in his games anyway.

[Throt the Unclean]

Yeah. Well, if that's the case, maybe they'll add them in at a future date.

That's true. And to be honest if they are cutting costs and juggling resources i'd rather it be on things they can go back to after the game is released, than something major like the combat mechanics or getting the animations smoothed out. If those aspects aren't in top shape on release day, all the character customization in the world wouldn't make up for it.

[Noli me Tangere]

I believe...

That whatever reason mythic gave was fine. It doesn't really matter to me. I know some people are really taking the whole thing kind of hard. I would imagine the following went into the decision.

1. Females in both cases would look horrible. I know some people are going to say that is fine, but a lot more would have serious issues.

It is fine. If people find it not to their taste, simple, don't play. People that dislike it so much that they don't want it in at all.. well, they're rather disturbed. I mean.. hello.. pixels on a screen here..

2. Conspiracy theory. They are afraid of too many people joining the side of evil,

Chaos isn't evil. It's Chaos. <_<

Also, evil is better than good. Because good is dumb. >_>

3. Lore. Yes there are examples of females being "blessed" by chaos, but it seems very rare.

This is a misconception, they number of examples are rare. The lore, however, does not say that they are rare. The "examples" given are rare. The overall idea given of females in chaos is that they are strong, powerful, and vicious and put the squishy southern types to shame. It says both males and females fight. It doesn't describe the numbers of females that fight, but it never says they're rare. It never says they're few.

Only the examples given are few. The lore leaves it up to you really, to consider how many there are. The undeniable thing is that they are fully allowed by the lore.

4. Female chosen and maurauders simply don't fit into what Mythic/GW wants to do.

If that's true, it would seem like a rather limited vision..

[Krowen]

So many assumptions. -_-

I wouldn't expect them to be any more attractive or hideous than the current male model, which is perfectly fine.

Mythic definitely wouldn't design them to look like supermodels, and from the models in game already, there's absolutely no reason to assume they would.

Of course Dwarf females will appeal to some, just like every other gender/race combination. However, Dwarfs are most likely going to be the least popular race, and they are

How would female Marauders hurt rating any more than male ones? What do chain mail 'bikini's have to do with Marauders in the first place? There's very little official artwork on what female Marauders look like, so Mythic would have freedom in designing them...furs, chains, hooks, leathers, pelts, feathers...there's a lot more than can be done than 'chain bikinis'. Hell, I even expect similar armor if Witch Elves are chosen.

So yeah...I'm not understanding your arguments too well.

Mythic is trying to make the game iconic, females marauders dont help with this because(according to Mythic):

1. Marauders are "always" bare chested (which isnt true, the concept art shows armor covering plenty of their chest), so if you can see the females breast that kills the teen rating which is something else they're going for.

2. Now if they clean it up a little and make them look feminine it dosent capture the look they want for marauders.

Honestly though, if they simply take the female zealot model, stand her up strait, put her in marauder armor and place a cloth or something over the exposed breasts it should be fine.

[Gaazruk]

Stop rezzing this thread it is dead! Allow me to paint a picture in your minds....

Bob: *continues to kick the dead horse*
John: Sir I believe that horse is dead...
Bob: LIKE HELL IT IS *Continues to kick the dead horse*

[Taurth]

How is it "rezzing" a thread if the last post was only two days ago? :?

[Damienx247]

Chaos isn't evil. It's Chaos. <_<

Also, evil is better than good. Because good is dumb. >_>

And Good succeeds becuase evil porly trained and underpaid (LOTR, and Star Wars are good examples)

[Grimfell Gromgear]

And Good succeeds becuase evil porly trained and underpaid (LOTR, and Star Wars are good examples)

The thing is, it's hard for Evil to succeed for two reasons.

Evil lacks trust... so they can't afford to let generals and armies and minions get too strong.

And, Evil is proactive, while Good is reactive.

Evil has to get out there and do something, Good just has to maintain the status quo. It's always easier to keep things at center than to try and do something new. Evil is like the entrepenuers, and we know how many new businesses fail.

[Damienx247]

Well.... lets leave it at that, I just came back from a long night at work and too tired to have a long, drawn out , and witty discussion on the benefits on work for either good or evil. (damn, no sleepy emote.)

[Noli me Tangere]

The thing is, it's hard for Evil to succeed for two reasons.

Evil lacks trust... so they can't afford to let generals and armies and minions get too strong.

And, Evil is proactive, while Good is reactive.

Evil has to get out there and do something, Good just has to maintain the status quo. It's always easier to keep things at center than to try and do something new. Evil is like the entrepenuers, and we know how many new businesses fail.

Ah, but as such.. good needs evil, because without evil.. good stagnates. You need evil to come in there every now and then to cause a ruckus. Good just wants to maintain itself, evil wants to continually improve upon itself, in order to prevent from being thrown down a shaft into the reactor of the death star by its former apprentice. O_o

[Gaazruk]

How is it "rezzing" a thread if the last post was only two days ago? :?
Its rezzing a thread because the problem is over, this has been discussed over and over.

[V'raneth]

half-naked, filthy, torn-up bloody women with terrifying mutations consuming half of their bodies. Sounds bloody awesome.

[Hatemonger]

Its rezzing a thread because the problem is over, this has been discussed over and over.

In other words, you don't happen to like the topic, and feel the need to point this out in said topic repeatedly?

[Gaazruk]

In other words, you don't happen to like the topic, and feel the need to point this out in said topic repeatedly?
In Other words the topic is dead, so to keep whining about it doesnt help anything after the topic no longer alive.

[Taurth]

Other people don't seem to think its dead as they're still posting in it, if you think its a dead topic thats doesn't need to be discussed anymore, don't read it.

[Gaazruk]

Other people don't seem to think its dead as they're still posting in it, if you think its a dead topic thats doesn't need to be discussed anymore, don't read it.
Nah I read this thread when I need a good laugh.

[Taurth]

Nah I read this thread when I need a good laugh.So don't complain and tell people they shouldn't keep posting in it.

Duh.

[Hatemonger]

You just going to keep feeding him aren't you?

I can give you some breadcrumbs if you want.

[Gaazruk]

You just going to keep feeding him aren't you?

I can give you some breadcrumbs if you want.
Ohhh I love breadcrumbs!

[Taurth]

Bah dammit.

Those little buggers are so good at tricking you into feeding them you don't even realize it until its too late...

[Yavvy]

HAHAHAHA, Fluks meet the Druichi, a matriarchal theocracy based upon murder and mayhem.
Look up Witch Elves...
Firstly, the Druchii aren't matriarchal, secondly, WEs look like something from a porn magazine.

Well, all i can say is that im positive the Dark Elf females are going to awesome and I am also fairly sure that all of their classes will either be both genders or female only. If you think orcs and gobbos are too manly and you don't want to play a male character than you will still have 6 destruction choices and at least 1 of every architype. Still not really starved for choice.
Yeah, great - now I get to play a slim, sexy, half-naked Witch Elf instead of a brutal, ugly, rough female Marauder.

No thanks.

It doesn't seem awsome to the same audience, so you can't really replace Marauders with WEs.
Technically its only 8 female classes for Order also unless they get some male only roles. Almost nobody ever plays a female dwarf, im sure it would be the same way with WAR.
4 Human, 4 High Elf (unless they get some male-only career, but I can't see that happening), 4 Dwarf. 12 Order female careers. "Almost nobody" playing them doesn't matter - almost nobody wants to play female Marauders too.

And I guess thats why Mythic won't bother trying to make female Chosen & Marauders - almost nobody isn't worth that much effort.

I think this decision is mostly an aesthetic one. What people need to consider is just how horribly warped Marauders are. Their entire arm turns into a shark. They're clothed in straps of leathers, are covered with hair and scars, and are extremely bestial. The iconic Marauder is a huge muscular Norseman who'll keep hacking you apart until he finds something more fun to hack.

Seen Firefly? These guys are freakin' Reavers with tentacles.

Quite simply, a female Marauder would break this imagery.
What, women's arms can't turn into sharks?

I can imagine a female Marauder following your description, but it wouldn't be pretty.

[Garthilk]

Seriously,

Seems that a few folks in this thread don't want to stick around long. Oh well, I'm sure they'll be missed when they're banned. Or maybe not. Either way, if you guys can't add something constructive to the conversation, go ahead and steer clear, or I'll steer you clear. :P

Locking.