Tell me why you love Elves?

[Altharius]

Just let me indulge in my curiosity.

i used to be an Elf hater. I often dreamed of my Orc cutting down elves left and right. I dreamt of looting and pillaging the pretty cities. But then one day i bought morrowind. I have always loved playin warriors so i chose an Imperial Crusader. i was bored in 10 minutes. I tiried a few other races and classes until finnaly i was stuck with the High Elves, the Wood Elves, and the Dark Elves. I chose High Elves cuz there good in magic. I enjoyed my self for a very long time. i read books in the Dragonlance series and found myself rooting for the Elves at every turn.

Then my freind told me about Warhammer online. I watched the video and was entranced. I figured id look at the Figurines also. I fell in love with the High Elf figurines.

[Aeldor]

Personally i have always adored the backstory of the Warhammer High Elves, and have a large army in the Table Top game.

They have such a full history, filled with triumphs and tragedies, and still refuse to fall into whining and regret that fills most other fantasy elves' lives. While the idea of revenge is often abhorant to the High Elves, once their anger is roused they are fearsome to behold. When called to war they strike hard, fast, and accurately, often leaving other armies floundering around helplessley.
I also love the decadense of a race that has tamed magic to the point that it serves them, and not the other way around as with other races. Even menial tasks such as washing/plowing are often done with magic rather than labour.

I think of all the races in the warhammer world, High Elves are often the one that is called condescending and snobby, but lets face it; They have every right to be.

[Jandau]

Well, the Warhammer elves (Wood and High) are, unlike most fantasy elves, cold blooded and calculated, hardly the usual emo fare. They aren't the nice, kind fairies, they are ancient and glorious, elite killers when war comes. And their armor is really cool :)

[Feigro]

I played a DE in morrowind actually.. But that's possibly due a lack of Dwarfs, then again.. The Dwarf race of Morrowind is another offshoot of Elves. They're basically Elves with beards that are good at engineering. Suffice it to say, they're extinct. For good reason! Abominations, all of them!

To be honest though, Argonians stole my heart in that game. I made him a clam diver back in old Seyda Neen. I was bored in gaming at the time, so I just created a minor RP character. After literally doing the same general thing for about a week in his profession... well this is widely off-topic and would be an incredibly long story... Quickly put - I ended doing all the biggest quests and basically the most amount of content with my little clam diver. Best case of going "from zero to hero" I ever played, and it wasn't intentional.

So.. uh... that said. Elves are alright. Though despite what people say, they all have the same general atmosphere about them. I'm not one to Talk, Dwarfs are the same way across fantasy as well. But that's where it comes down to it - I like the traits of a Dwarf better than an Elf. So seeing the Dwarf archetype repeated doesn't bother me.

Then again, I like Elves in my fantasy genres. I don't love em, I don't play em or side with em or root for em. But Elves in fantasy do fit the staple archetype, in my opinion.

[VeriusCarth]

Personally, I'm not into the, "HULK SMASH" type character. Obnoxiously large, and overly muscular characters make me cringe on the inside. Elves always struck me as being proud, and fairly awe-inspiring. Despite their lack of numbers, and outward strength, they're craftier, much more tactful, and are so much more than simply running up and beating the crap out of someone else with any sort of object. I've never liked the idea of simply beating someone until they can't stand up, head-to-head, one-on-one combat. While that might be considered cowardice, I prefer living, thanks. The High Elves are better for hit-and-run tactics, rather than trying to stick it out in pure combat. They disorient their foes, wither them away from the sides, and take them down with fire from bows and magic.

The fact that they're frail, yet they're expert martial fighters, with a capacity for magic, and the knowledge of when to flee, and when to fight, is something that just strikes me as being awesome. Their magnificent shiny armor on the battlefield really adds to their presence, they always manage to look imposing. Even the High Elves who had hearts on their shields still managed to look pretty strong.

I always find myself wanting to play a character who is just as comfortable rushing into combat with a sword, as they are hurling magic at foes. Being the quick squishy race that isn't outwardly as hardy as other classes has always seemed appealing. To a degree, whenever I play as them, it's like handicapping myself, and making the game more difficult, which is fun. I have to think while I play, or else the person I'm fighting will be able to wear me down, before I wear him down.

It's also party a respect for a race that has pride in itself, and feels confident about their abilities. (While I realize that this usually resorts to an egotistical attitude when coming from elves, that isn't such a problem for me.) Which is also why I respect dwarves. They're a proud confident people, and they've all got pretty cheery attitudes. (However, there's something more attractive about a serious, calm attitude, over a hearty and cheery one. Just me, though.)

Sorry for my wall of text on opinion. I've just liked elves ever since I learned what they were. (Utterly hate Drow though.)

[Noesis]

Well. I kind of already stated this in another thread.

Personally, I love Elves for a few important reasons.

Elves tend to embody a whole host of the "higher ideals" I love in real life. They generally live in a culture that holds wisdom, intelligence, and justice close to heart. Elves are also very attuned to valuing life and holding a close affinity for the avenues of "experience". Some examples of these avenues would include art and poetry.

In short, Elves represent the distillation of the great virtuous potential of humans living in a near utopia.

And that is worth playing a virtual character to defend.

[wellsy]

Noesis, your sig gives part of the reason I like High Elves.

Other reasons:

Appearance. They are tall, majestic, powerful and have a dignity that few humans could hope to match on a good day.
Magic. They're nerdy (as Paul said, never done a day's work in their lives), and live in a world of theories and balances. Me being mathematician/physicist, kind of appeals to me (Dwarfs can get the engineers... when they're sober ;)).
Fighting style. They hit hard, fast, and often. They can't take hits, but I like the idea of a fast force overwhelming the enemy before they even take a loss (well... that actually NEVER happens, but hey, we all have to dream, right? Right?).


Thats about it for me.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Their kneecaps shatter oh so easily.

[Nerothos]

As Viking said in a previous thread: their obsessiveness. They're not good at something because they "are", it's because they won't stand for anything less than perfect. They're not naturally talented, they spend days upon days practicing and perfecting without sleep or food. Getting lost in your training until every move is flawless.

That, and Aenarion is the perfect example of why you shouldn't F with Elves. :p

[Thoden Firehammer]

Ironicaly it's the same with Dwarfs... I guess we spend more time perfecting our crafts though since we do make the better armor and weapons >.> (it's in the general lore :P not the biased one :P)

I can't help myself with this I have to post it :P What do I like about Elves... well I like killing them. The look on their faces is priceless XD

On a more serious note, it seems i'm going to have to put up with High Elves since my best friend is an elf fanatic, I have a feeling he's going to be surprised when he find out they are not the "prettier taller humans"

[Nerothos]

It's kind of the same with Dwarfs, yes, but it's a different obsessiveness with the Elves.

The only reason they perfect it is because time is not their enemy. Their minds are set to such extremes that if they don't go on their disciplinary routes their emotions go wild. They are proud, yes, but they need something to keep them thinking, sane. So they obsess over something. The reason an Elven art masterpiece is so much better is probably because the Elf has made (and trashed) 100 attempts before it, and probably spent a week without food on it. :P

[kumoblade]

I love elves for everything they stand for. Purity, Order, Discipline, Grace and Speed, and un-paralleled Beauty. They have every reason to think lowly on other races because they're crude, they mate like rabbits, and only know how to destroy.

on the combat side of things, Elves are exact and precise. there's nothing thrilling about watching an orc swinging savagely. Elves turn swordplay into an Art, and they're deadly with it, and they make it look damn good.

i hope Mythic is able to capture these things in the Elves movements.

[VeriusCarth]

I love elves for everything they stand for. Purity, Order, Discipline, Grace and Speed, and un-paralleled Beauty. They have every reason to think lowly on other races because they're crude, they mate like rabbits, and only know how to destroy.

on the combat side of things, Elves are exact and precise. there's nothing thrilling about watching an orc swinging savagely. Elves turn swordplay into an Art, and they're deadly with it, and they make it look damn good.

i hope Mythic is able to capture these things in the Elves movements.

You raise a good point! It would be a great shame if High Elf animations did not suit them. That's one of the things that's always made me like elves, they always seem to have such fluid, and graceful movements.

[Ralzar]

You haven't really understood the potential of elves until you've tasted my garlic marinated elf in creamed mushroom sauce.

[killuall]

i love elves 'cuz i give 'em a good krumpin, dey scream and yelp like da 'lil pansies dey are!!! and deyre pink so its fun top watch 'em prance around like daisies

[VeriusCarth]

Orcs make me glad I'm not playing destruction. That's why I love elves more, now! I don't have to get stuck with Orcs, and their horrid speech and grammar!

Go elves! >_O

[legoklods]

There are 3 reasons why I love elves.

1: they are über.

2: they know that they are über.

3: their enermies know they are über!:) (even though a lot of people say different they know deep down that the elves are superior to every one (exept dwarfs!))

[killuall]

There are 3 reasons why I love elves.

1: they are über.

2: they know that they are über.

3: their enermies know they are über!:) (even though a lot of people say different they know deep down that the elves are superior to every one (exept dwarfs!))

how can elves be uber and superior?

1 : theyre not green

2 : theyre pink and like daisies

3 : They have no concept of politics, thier leaders are on bigger or greener than the common boyz

4 : there not green

5 : they hide in 'da big 'ol island call whats its name (ulthuan)

6 : THEYRE NOT GREEN!

[VeriusCarth]

Well, they speak properly.

You've gotta give 'em that. Besides... Orcs are... Mushrooms. You're fungus.

[killuall]

well wen da boyz crushes all da otha 'ladz we be the only ones speakin, so we be right, but for now we must get to krumpin!!!

[abr4]

Besides... Orcs are... Mushrooms. You're fungus.

Warlocks were Mushrooms, so don't bash the Mushrooms ;)

[Athenys]

Erm, because they are the bishi metros of the Warhammer world:

http://www.aimelek.com/locker/imnot.mp3

Imagine a HE singing that in a tavern, even the timbre is spot on O_o...

[Revolutionomni]

All the races have their strengths and flaws, and I think I relate best to the High Elves:

They want to do what's right but make "human" mistakes. They want what's best for their people but also want to aid their allies. They're spoiled :rolleyes:. They trust in their magic (science for me) and their use of it. They want trade from outsiders but don't want to lose their self production. Their nation deems itself superior in most every way to others, to a fault (USA?). They believe knowledge is power and art is culture. They want to look good ;) but function is foremost. Beyond specializing in magic as a race, they believe in being balanced and versed in all areas of living, rather than just one.

They're as much fantasy as you can get while still retaining so much humanity. I could go on for a while but I think I hit most the big reasons. :D

[Noesis]

They want to do what's right but make "human" mistakes. They want what's best for their people but also want to aid their allies. They're spoiled :rolleyes:. They trust in their magic (science for me) and their use of it. They want trade from outsiders but don't want to lose their self production. Their nation deems itself superior in most every way to others, to a fault (USA?). They believe knowledge is power and art is culture. They want to look good ;) but function is foremost. Beyond specializing in magic as a race, they believe in being balanced and versed in all areas of living, rather than just one.


All you really had to say was that they are the best...

Excelsior!

[Vaeronthar]

Brevity and simplicity is for orcs, and others who don't happen to be capable of properly expressing their views.

Such as you?

[Revolutionomni]

All you really had to say was that they are the best...

Excelsior!

Guess your right, but I'm not sure how everyone else views them and I wanted mine to be clear. ;)

[Krulgar Neckripper]

Who doesent love arrogent, strangely beautiful, subtle, ebil torturing characters? Dark Elves ftw.

[Lord_crapalot]

Whats not to like? They are 1000 years old samurai versions of Neo.
Plus they wear enough bling bling to make even the most slimy pimp green.

[Kawnal]

They ride dragons... that's seriously so cool.

[Eliphas-WorldBearer]

I like High Elves a lot, I enjoy destroying their precious little homes and slaughtering them one by one...You hear your doom approaching

[Thorval]

I like Elves because they best relate to me. More then dwarfs. They are very classy, and honor knowledge and learning greatly. They also feel superior to others who they see as barbaric and useless.

[Vaeronthar]

I like Elves because they best relate to me. More then dwarfs. They are very classy, and honor knowledge and learning greatly. They also feel superior to others who they see as barbaric and useless.
Yes.

Tenchars.

[Wargrin Bludkilt]

You haven't really understood the potential of elves until you've tasted my garlic marinated elf in creamed mushroom sauce.

Sounds good. Barbeque cream of mushroom elf on a stick in a lite wine sauce. :mrgreen:*chopm*

[Kopesh]

To make my post short I say this: I like High Elves because I find it entertaining to play as arrogant characters. ;)

They also got an interesting lore and some traits similar to myself.

[Jest]

I only really like one thing about the High Elves, and that's White Lions. Soon as I discovered them years back, I've thought they were cool. They exist outside the typical Elf stereotype of lounging in high towers in satin robes, playing the harp. They are more like barbarians who live in the wilds. They have a sacred order of mighty warriors who must track and kill a vicious white lion single-handedly in order to gain acceptance. They drape themselves in the hides and manes of these animals as proof of their success in the rite of passage. They wield giant battle axes that can cut a grown man in half with one swoop. These guys are badass, pretty much.

It seems very likely they'll be in WAR (Mythic would be crazy not to put them in) and if that's the case, I will be playing one. If they aren't in, I won't be playing High Elf. If I do play Order (which is somewhat likely given my favorite all-around race is the Dwarfs), I only hope there isn't a lot of Elf-Dwarf bickering going on. The whole War of the Beard thing is interesting, but when it boils down to just petty back-and-forth troll fests, it gets a tad annoying. Hell, if its like that come release, I may just go the way of the Greenskin to get away from it.

[Gaazruk]

I used to think all elves were like the steriotyped legolasses but after reading about the WAR elves I knew I would play one as my main, I think in the end the thing that really made me want to be an elf was the story of The War of the Beard. Most view elves as lil happy people who dance around... and still more are begining to believe that (thanks paul.... "they are english posh people who dance around saying ''ladidadida") Look at the white lions though they are anything but happy go lucky fellas who dance around. Swordmasters are lords of the blade, not lords of the dance. I wish the whole elves are legolass wannabes and would just die out already. I mean seriously the jokes are getting old... we get it, "hahahha u are l3golass wannabes lolololol!!11!" is not what I like hearing on every corner of the road.

[Lord_crapalot]

I like High Elves a lot, I enjoy destroying their precious little homes and slaughtering them one by one...You hear your doom approaching

Sadly no, cant hear your horn because of all the cries from your dying warriors.
Hmm now I can hear it, and mixed with the cries of agony it makes a wonderfull tone.

[GrandOne]

They are forgiving, but push them far enough and they will kill you
That's what I like about them

[Jumpe]

I like High Elves a lot, I enjoy destroying their precious little homes and slaughtering them one by one...You hear your doom approaching

You obviously haven't met me yet

I've been a bit obsessed with elves since reading Silmarillion..

[Jest]

Don't worry Gaazruk, most of the "Elves are pansies" outlook can be attributed to Paul's extremely misinformed description of them. He is known to favor the ugly races, and uses his vast vocabulary consisting of the words: "posh" and "la de da" to describe the pretty races. People who are Paul fanboys and members of the "ugly races", hop on this bandwagon like it's going out of style. They'll all clam up once White Lions are unveiled and they realize our axes are twice the size as theirs.

[Baradun]

I dont like it, but we seem to be in alliance with one another. An while that alliance holds solid ya have my hammer at the ready to do battle against any foe that crosses yer path.

Just no fancy business with the finger wiglin arround me ya hear? <grumble> stupid elf magic <mutters somethin about Runes bein' much safer 'an relyable>

[Fusko]

Don't worry Gaazruk, most of the "Elves are pansies" outlook can be attributed to Paul's extremely misinformed description of them. He is known to favor the ugly races, and uses his vast vocabulary consisting of the words: "posh" and "la de da" to describe the pretty races. People who are Paul fanboys and members of the "ugly races", hop on this bandwagon like it's going out of style. They'll all clam up once White Lions are unveiled and they realize our axes are twice the size as theirs.

Quoted for truth.

I love the White Lions. They do take Elves out of the stereotype with their huge axes, and lion pelt-wearing. I am going to be so disappointed if Mythic doesn't use them. The White Lions are the only hope in breaking the Elf stereotype.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Thoden smells two elf kissin traitors in 'ere.

[Fusko]

Thoden smells two elf kissin traitors in 'ere.

A surprise that you can smell anything over your own ale-soaked beard. Perhaps I should cut it for you, hmmmmm? ;)

[Thoden Firehammer]

A surprise that you can smell anything over your own ale-soaked beard. Perhaps I should cut it for you, hmmmmm? ;)

Bah! don't yeh know anehthin, meh beard is stronger than gromril!!.

That dried dwarven ale moxed with an equally Dwarf beard equals impentrable armor

[Fusko]

Bah! don't yeh know anehthin, meh beard is stronger than gromril!!.

That dried dwarven ale moxed with an equally Dwarf beard equals impentrable armor

It never stopped us from making the Cloak of Beards.

[Thoden Firehammer]

It never stopped us from making the Cloak of Beards.

Us? ... Yer one of em tew!!


Bah you only have ONE cloak of beards...

We have atleast a good 10 sacked elf cities and 1 gold crown

[Fusko]

Us? ... Yer one of em tew!!


Bah you only have ONE cloak of beards...

We have atleast a good 10 sacked elf cities and 1 gold crown

That was a low blow, but I guess I can not expect anything more from something that does not rise above my belt.

[Thoden Firehammer]

That was a low blow, but I guess I can not expect anything more from something that does not rise above my belt.


Yer combinin metephorical speak with realiteh, the ultimate insult indeed...

Well with the exception of me callin yeh an elf.

[Fusko]

Well with the exception of me callin yeh an elf.

And me calling you a dwarf.


(Perhaps a change of avatar is needed? ;) )

[Jest]

Eh, I was going to make a Runepriest regardless of what race I play. If White Lions aren't in, I still will. But if the Lions are in, I will likely make one of those first, they're one of my favorite TT units, and not because I have Elf pride or anything. I haven't played an Elf in any other MMORPG. White Lions are to the High Elves as the SEALs are to the Navy. But who knows, Mythic may surprise us and put in Silverhelms or Phoenix Lords for some ungodly reason.

[Fusko]

Eh, I was going to make a Runepriest regardless of what race I play. If White Lions aren't in, I still will. But if the Lions are in, I will likely make one of those first, they're one of my favorite TT units, and not because I have Elf pride or anything. I haven't played an Elf in any other MMORPG. White Lions are to the High Elves as the SEALs are to the Navy. But who knows, Mythic may surprise us and put in Silverhelms or Phoenix Lords for some ungodly reason.

I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but still, I'm going to be shocked, SHOCKED, if they're not in.

[Gaazruk]

I'm not gonna get my hopes up, but still, I'm going to be shocked, SHOCKED, if they're not in.
If they arent in we need to march to mythic HQ with lion pelts on in protest.

[Fusko]

If they arent in we need to march to mythic HQ with lion pelts on in protest.

I support this idea. :cool: Even if we have to kill them with our bare hands!

[Jest]

Yes, the inclusion of this career is definitely worth the forced extinction of white lions.
/signed

We could head on over to South Africa on a hunting expedition. Call it LARPing. :roll:

[Noesis]

Mythic may surprise us and put in Silverhelms or Phoenix Lords for some ungodly reason.

I don't mind, so long as I am the only person that gets to make a Pheonix Lord and pew pew everyone else. I would choose Asurmen.

[Amehnas]

I am not elf lover, and I usualy stick with humans in RPGs. Not because they're familiar to me, but because I like the idea of playing holy knight type of character in a race that's treacherous in it's nature and somewhere in the middle of good and evil.

but, or better said BUT I couldn't resist to fall in love with the Warhammer elves simply because they're not the everyday RPG elves as the rest out there. They're unique in many ways, different, noble yet brutal and most certanly the opposite of their flowerboy counterparts in other fantasy worlds. The White Lions being the prime example and ofcourse there are just tons of other reasons that the previous posters mentiond so far.

Now what's only left for me (as well as for many others) is to hold my hopes for the White Lion as a class in WAR. If that doesn't happen I will go my usual route - the Warrior Priest.

[Slithers]

Ever since Tolkien introduced me to Elves I have been hooked. They grabbed me and never let me go. With all the adaptations around it still entices my senses. Dark Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves Drow just name it. I am new to Warhammer so I am going to have to study up on this incarnation of elves. I will of course be playing an Elf of some kind in this game.

[Loomdun]

to sum up why I like high elves the most, is because there arrogant, There good at what they want to do, and they piss off everyone in the process while they do it.

[Thoden Firehammer]

to sum up why I like high elves the most, is because there arrogant, There good at what they want to do, and they piss off everyone in the process while they do it.



... They've yet to piss off the Dwarfs with their "good at what they want to do" actions, if you can call it that... we just laugh at em while they do it. :mrgreen:

[Lord_crapalot]

... They've yet to piss off the Dwarfs with their "good at what they want to do" actions, if you can call it that... we just laugh at em while they do it. :mrgreen:

Im pretty sure we the Asur gave you shortlived dwarves a rude awakening when you started the war of beards. Didnt think we elves could beat you in battle did you?

[kizen]

Um... yeah.

You either have no clue what happened in the war of the beard, or are just trying to be controversial. And since there are like 100 really informative posts, i'm assuming it's the latter.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Im pretty sure we the Asur gave you shortlived dwarves a rude awakening when you started the war of beards. Didnt think we elves could beat you in battle did you?


Uhh... we won that one, and you took no holds, mind you we took every elf city in the old world:P

Even the ones in Nosrca

EDIT: Wait I correct myself, we didn't take any Elf Cities, we turned them to dust.
I'd also like to remind you who's crown that we have inside Karaz A Karak.

[Lord_crapalot]

Uhh... we won that one, and you took no holds, mind you we took every elf city in the old world:P

Even the ones in Nosrca

EDIT: Wait I correct myself, we didn't take any Elf Cities, we turned them to dust.
I'd also like to remind you who's crown that we have inside Karaz A Karak.

And so did we destroy many of your holds, and slaughter thousands upon thousands of your warriors.
And you did nothing of the kind, we abandoned our homes after your reckless war.
The only thing the dwarves managed to do was weaken the side of light and strengthen the powers of chaos and only a foolish dwarf could ever be proud of that.

[Vaeronthar]

So then why are you so proud of the slaughter of thousands of dwarfs? Was taking a hold too much damn work? You're all blind. Also, you're just plain idiots.

[Lord_crapalot]

What? Their beards make for good hats....:-?

[Noesis]

Uhh... we won that one, and you took no holds, mind you we took every elf city in the old world:P

Thats like saying the United States won Vietnam.

[Barundin]

Thats like saying the United States won Vietnam.

Not really, a victory is a victory. What happened afterwards should not influence the original outcome.

And the elves didn't take any dwarf holds during the war either, but I agree with those who say that it was pointless and idiotic though.

[Thoden Firehammer]

And so did we destroy many of your holds, and slaughter thousands upon thousands of your warriors.
And you did nothing of the kind, we abandoned our homes after your reckless war.
The only thing the dwarves managed to do was weaken the side of light and strengthen the powers of chaos and only a foolish dwarf could ever be proud of that.

.... ((I've read both stories, and the hostories of the dwarf holds that ever fell to anything the elves never got in the dwarf holds nor destoryed em :P))

Bah yeh elgi git, say wut yeh will.

Thats like saying the United States won Vietnam.

Ok lets sum up what the Dwarfs did.

1.Destroyed every elf city, and town in the old world
2.Caused the creation of the Wood Elves, High Elves lost many people because of this
3.Killed the elf King
4.Took his crown ( I listed both as seperate due to the fact that both were blows to elven pride and moral)
5. Dark Elf invasion that killed many elves, this was not directly done by the dwarfs, but if the dwarfs havn't fought th elves than the dark elves probably wouldn't have invaded when they did, mind you the Dark Elves invaded at the very end of the War between the Dwarfs and elves

I'd call it a win, the Dwarf Grudge was repayed after that last battle in the old world
with the cost of many elf lives, many elf cities, and the death of many elf nobles, oh and one crown. :P

[Atheis Kurayami]

.... ((I've read both stories, and the hostories of the dwarf holds that ever fell to anything the elves never got in the dwarf holds nor destoryed em :P))

Bah yeh elgi git, say wut yeh will.



Ok lets sum up what the Dwarfs did.

1.Destroyed every elf city, and town in the old world
2.Caused the creation of the Wood Elves, High Elves lost many people because of this
3.Killed the elf King
4.Took his crown ( I listed both as seperate due to the fact that both were blows to elven pride and moral)
5. Dark Elf invasion that killed many elves, this was not directly done by the dwarfs, but if the dwarfs havn't fought th elves than the dark elves probably wouldn't have invaded when they did, mind you the Dark Elves invaded at the very end of the War between the Dwarfs and elves

I'd call it a win, the Dwarf Grudge was repayed after that last battle in the old world
with the cost of many elf lives, many elf cities, and the death of many elf nobles, oh and one crown. :P

Where are you getting your info from? The dwarves only destroyed one elven colony during the course of the war Athel Maraya. After the dwarves take the crown the withdraw back to their holds and refuse to fight anymore claiming victory. The dark elves invade shortly after this and the elves leave the old world. Now if you want to talk about what happend after the war then thats a completely different subject. The dwarves call the time after the war of the beard the time of woes, for a reason you know. Because when military victory matters the dwarves failed horribly. The high elves on the other hand didn't, completely demoralized and in no place to fight a fresh war, managed to win against all the odds.

[Krulgar Neckripper]

Hehe the americans got assraped in Vietnam. Still, it made some good games/films.

[Lord Tareq]

The brilliant thing is, the War of the Beard was actually started by dark elves raiding dwarven convoys. Since both sides crippled eachother in that war, while the dark elves waited in their lands laughing at the folly of the dwarfs and their simple minded cousins, does this make the dark elves the actual victors in the War of the Beard?:mrgreen:

[Nathar]

The war of the beard is a brilliant thing. Dwarfs are still bickering about it, Asur are still weakened by it. It's just sad that the druchii didn't manage to take full advantage of it. On the other hand there wouldn't be much warhammer story to tell if they had won already back then!

[Barundin]

Ah, to maybe end this discussion about the War of the Beard I managed to find this article; http://uk.games-workshop.com/dwarfs/war-of-beard/assets/beard-highelves.pdf
It gives a nice picture of the entire war from a "god-perspective"
Also, remember that is it linked from BOTH the High elf and the Dwarf homepages on the GW site, so don't come and talk about bias ye pointy eared beardclippers!! ;)

Anyway, it describes both Gotrek and Caledor II as overly proud and reckless individuals, though Caledor is describes as being a really pompous . Anyway, I think the bickering about what happened during it should stop now, and no more stupid quotes from either armybook!

[Willstar]

I know this story well. However, it is told a little different in my dwarf army book. Mainly the part about Caledor II riding out to battle. In the dwarf army book it's written that he cowered in fear in a tower, refusing to ride out to meet the army of dwarfs that had already decimated the elven army.

Dwarven tell-tale? I believe it is. Since it is also written differently in the elven books. Heh. Gotta love ancient fueding. :)

[Pugslah]

The reason I like elves..

You can't Tell the Difference Between the Females, and the males.:mrgreen:

[Thoden Firehammer]

Where are you getting your info from? The dwarves only destroyed one elven colony during the course of the war Athel Maraya. After the dwarves take the crown the withdraw back to their holds and refuse to fight anymore claiming victory. The dark elves invade shortly after this and the elves leave the old world. Now if you want to talk about what happend after the war then thats a completely different subject. The dwarves call the time after the war of the beard the time of woes, for a reason you know. Because when military victory matters the dwarves failed horribly. The high elves on the other hand didn't, completely demoralized and in no place to fight a fresh war, managed to win against all the odds.


Hmm ... *begins his dig through favorites*
Year 1502
Sith rionnasc'namishathir falls to Dwarfs after long siege and is razed to the ground.

Year 1600
One by one Elven coastal colonies destroyed, refugees withdraw to forests.

Year 1601
Battle of Three Towers at the gates of Tor Alessi. Phoenix King Caledor II killed by Gotrek Starbreaker, Phoenix crown taken by Dwarfs.

Year 1948
Dwarfs, led by Morgrim, destroy Elf colony of Athel Maraya

Year 1968
Morgrim, Snorri's cousin, kills Caledor's brother Imladrik at battle of Oeragor.

Link http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/tl/wfbtl.cgi?dwarfs You can read it all if you want, i'll grab the other time lines as well.

Now I personaly like this one better becuase the way the site looks.

1968 Battle of Oeragor.

1948 Elf city of Athel Maraya is burned to the ground by
Dwarf Army led by Morgrim.

1560 Battle of Three Towers at the gate of Tor Alessi (now
the Bretonnian port of L'Anguille).

1589 Phoenix King Caradryel recalls High Elf armies from the
Old World. Elf colonies see departure as a
betrayal.

1502 Sith Rionnasc falls to Dwarves after long siege.
Fortress razed to the ground.


Now I will agree both races were struck deeply, but the Dwarfs did not lose any cities to the High Elves, the Dwarfs major loss was in the year 1500 when the Slann use their magic (( I forgot for what purpose)) but it shifted the contininents causing the Dwarfs to lose several holds, however like I have said this was not the High Elves doing.

And that whole thing about the Dark Elves... During the War of Vengence (beard) there was a chaos invasion attacking their lands, they repelled it obviously but were deeply struck as well, so they attacked the High Elves while in a weakend state.


http://www.siegetower.com/warhammer/timeline.htm Here's the link

Also the only reason it was called the Time of Woes wasn't becuase of the loss of Dwarfen military it was due to the continental shift, that caused the loss of several dwarfs holds then the Goblin and Skaven invasions that came just after.

Year 1500
Time of Woes. Slann Mage-Priests make minor shift in continents. Volcanic activity destroys Dwarven realms. The Underway is partially ruined and blocked in many places, cutting strongholds off from one another. Start of Goblin wars. Isolated Dwarven kingdoms survive or migrate to Black or Grey Mountains. Dwarven trading settlements along Urskoy and Upper Talabec abandoned. Goblins occupy abandoned settlements in western forests.

[Atheis Kurayami]

Hmm ... *begins his dig through favorites*
Year 1502
Sith rionnasc'namishathir falls to Dwarfs after long siege and is razed to the ground.

Year 1600
One by one Elven coastal colonies destroyed, refugees withdraw to forests.

Year 1601
Battle of Three Towers at the gates of Tor Alessi. Phoenix King Caledor II killed by Gotrek Starbreaker, Phoenix crown taken by Dwarfs.

Year 1948
Dwarfs, led by Morgrim, destroy Elf colony of Athel Maraya

Year 1968
Morgrim, Snorri's cousin, kills Caledor's brother Imladrik at battle of Oeragor.

Link http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/tl/wfbtl.cgi?dwarfs You can read it all if you want, i'll grab the other time lines as well.

Now I personaly like this one better becuase the way the site looks.

1968 Battle of Oeragor.

1948 Elf city of Athel Maraya is burned to the ground by
Dwarf Army led by Morgrim.

1560 Battle of Three Towers at the gate of Tor Alessi (now
the Bretonnian port of L'Anguille).

1589 Phoenix King Caradryel recalls High Elf armies from the
Old World. Elf colonies see departure as a
betrayal.

1502 Sith Rionnasc falls to Dwarves after long siege.
Fortress razed to the ground.


Now I will agree both races were struck deeply, but the Dwarfs did not lose any cities to the High Elves, the Dwarfs major loss was in the year 1500 when the Slann use their magic (( I forgot for what purpose)) but it shifted the contininents causing the Dwarfs to lose several holds, however like I have said this was not the High Elves doing.

And that whole thing about the Dark Elves... During the War of Vengence (beard) there was a chaos invasion attacking their lands, they repelled it obviously but were deeply struck as well, so they attacked the High Elves while in a weakend state.


http://www.siegetower.com/warhammer/timeline.htm Here's the link

Also the only reason it was called the Time of Woes wasn't becuase of the loss of Dwarfen military it was due to the continental shift, that caused the loss of several dwarfs holds then the Goblin and Skaven invasions that came just after.

Year 1500
Time of Woes. Slann Mage-Priests make minor shift in continents. Volcanic activity destroys Dwarven realms. The Underway is partially ruined and blocked in many places, cutting strongholds off from one another. Start of Goblin wars. Isolated Dwarven kingdoms survive or migrate to Black or Grey Mountains. Dwarven trading settlements along Urskoy and Upper Talabec abandoned. Goblins occupy abandoned settlements in western forests.

Thoden it seems we have a problem, the time line gives conflicted information.

-1601 Battle of Three Towers at the gates of Tor Alessi. Phoenix King Caledor II killed by Gotrek Starbreaker, Phoenix crown taken by Dwarfs. Dwarfs retreat to mountains and refuse to fight any more. As Elf host readies to launch attack on Karaz-a-Karak news reaches them that the Witch King has once again invaded Ulthuan.

Yet.

-1600 One by one Elven coastal colonies destroyed, refugees withdraw to forests. As Dwarfs prepare to raze Elven fortress at L'Anguille, they receive reports of Goblins invading northern Worlds Edge Mountains. Dwarven forces recalled, but are decimated by starvation, Goblin raids and brutal winter storms. Elves withdraw to Ulthuan, Wood Elves remain in depths of forests. Dwarfs decimated.

So which is, did the dwarf army retreat to the mountains and refuse to fight anymore? Or did they stick around and destroy elven colonies one after another. Now we have to decide which source is the one to use, and in this case it is really easy. When in doubt use the army book.

And in this case the army book says: The dwarves went home. And its not just the elf army book that says they went home, the dwarf book says it as well, and if that wasn't enough the wood elf book says the same thing.

Also the time of woes is called that because of all the losses the dwarves suffer. True the slann had a small hand in it, but the dwarves don't know they did. The dwarves won't know the slann exist until the humans start to explore the new world and re-discover the old lizardmen cities. The reason why the dwarves suffer defeat after defeat in the time of woes is because of all the the dwarven troops they lose during the war of the beard, they were simply unable to hold off the wave of greenskins and skaven who came to pillage their holds. The fact that the earthquakes and such damaged the underway and prevented the holds from reinforcements from coming to the other holds defense is sort of weighted against the fact that the rampaging hordes couldn't use them to attack the other connected holds.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Thoden it seems we have a problem, the time line gives conflicted information.


Now we have to decide which source is the one to use, and in this case it is really easy. When in doubt use the army book.
You can't use the army books due to their biased nature, especily over this conflict.


And in this case the army book says: The dwarves went home. And its not just the elf army book that says they went home, the dwarf book says it as well, and if that wasn't enough the wood elf book says the same thing. .

What you're forgetting is that the lore is not set in stone, if you checked that one site (( that you are attempting to dispute)) you'd notice it gets it's lore from many warhammer sources such as Warhammer Fantasy Role Play, The Army Books, and I think there was another ...and as such because of this the author might have goten biased material mixed in with the non biased, AND i'd like to add that Warhammer lore has conflicted it's self before.



Also the time of woes is called that because of all the losses the dwarves suffer. True the slann had a small hand in it, but the dwarves don't know they did. The dwarves won't know the slann exist until the humans start to explore the new world and re-discover the old lizardmen cities. The reason why the dwarves suffer defeat after defeat in the time of woes is because of all the the dwarven troops they lose during the war of the beard, they were simply unable to hold off the wave of greenskins and skaven who came to pillage their holds. The fact that the earthquakes and such damaged the underway and prevented the holds from reinforcements from coming to the other holds defense is sort of weighted against the fact that the rampaging hordes couldn't use them to attack the other connected holds.


This is pure speculation, and "what if" and it never mattered if the Dwarfs knew the Slann or not, and the Slann spell caused horrible damage to the Dwarf realm, hurting many holds, and completly destroying 3 ... helped the Goblins and Skaven capture others.

I'd like to finish this by saying that, you have only attempted to discredit one source, that you have failed at doing, because you treated the lore as an absolute.

Also you have yet to try to discredit this, and i'd like to add that it is more general, and from what i've read, doesn't contradict it's self, this is probably due to the fact that it's more general, and that the author knew the army books were biased and as such tried to make this timeline as less biased as possable

http://www.siegetower.com/warhammer/timeline.htm

[Master]

Honestly I've never been a really large Elf fan so I'm not sure why I'm posting here, other then to rant a bit I guess.

Elves are always differnt. Sometimes they're creatures of deception and destruction, other time they're nature woodsman and warriors, with respsect for the enviroment and it's inhabitants. And other times they're overly femine.

Seeing as Elves have multiple natures, they're often on your side at one point. If there is more then one type of Elf in a game, you can pretty much assume you'll be fightening with and against the long eared ones. It's not my fault, it's just how it works.

Blood Elves & Night Elves, Dark Elves & High Elves, Wood Elves, High Elves & Dark Elves... the variations are endless. And you'll be fightening with them and against them all if you play alot of fantasy games. And maybe as them a couple times too.

So, to cut to the chase why am I talking here if I don't like Elves? Well, because I don't hate Elves. I don't like them, don't need to play them. I actually prefer Humans or their darker counterparts (Forsaken in WoW for example. Thinking of Chaos in this game.) or Orcs. But I have made peace with them, and respect them as valuable allies.

Think of it this way. As they pull the powers of the arcane to twist the fabric of the universe to their bidding, firing an arrow through the skull of an enemy from across a large field, or sneaking around with their foul magics and stabbing your foes in the back...

You get to get all the benefits of having Elves on your side, while not looking like Santa's helper, a drugee, or have an undetermanable gender.

[Dokushin]

http://www.siegetower.com/warhammer/timeline.htm


Hey, Thoden, I've got a few questions about this site you keep linking. But first I'd like to address a few of the things you've been saying like they're laws of the universe.

The lore, such as it is, of -course- isn't an absolute, because GW changes it when they think it's for the better of the background or the game. That doesn't mean you can argue with them and try to "go back" to an earlier version of events -- they've said how they want things to be by releasing them that way.

Due to that the simplest way to determine the truth of the lore is simple chronological order. Most recent books are correct. In regards to the most recent set of books published, yeah, lore is pretty absolute, to us -- until GW says otherwise. It's their lore.

Now about this site you keep linking.

It's formatted with a nice catchy name, "The Scroll of Time", and it tries to give sources to support all the numbers it gives -- let's see how they check out.

-7500 The Old Slann appear from some other world. (WFB2)Hm, already in trouble. I just so happen to have a sixth edition Lizardmen book right here in front of me. According to it,
-c15,000 The Old Ones arrive in the primeval and untouched lands of Lustria.Now that's strange, let's see. WFB2 was published back in the 80s, and the Lizardmen book here was published in 2003. I think we know which is official. Scroll of Time: 0 for 1. Next?

-6500 The end of the Ice Age. (WFB2)
The Old Slann alter the planet's orbit, causing a
general increase in temperatures, rise in sea
levels and withdrawl of the ice sheets to the
extreme polar regions. (WFB2)Hmm, that doesn't sound right. Again to the Lizardmen book:

-c10,000 Founding of the First City, Itza. Soon followed by the founding of Xlanhuapec and Tlax.
The second generation of Slaan are spwaned. The orbit of the world is altered to affect weather patterns and temperature, making it more conducive to life.
Man, this site of yours isn't doing well at all. Maybe it's just made by a person who somehow managed to miss the last five editions of the rulebook. We'll move on to another book.


(Still under -6500. --Dokushin)
Creation of the World Pond and separation of the
continents. (LZ)
Spawning of the Saurus, Slinks, and Kroxigor races.(LZ)Wow, this is direct from the Lizardmen book, and since it doesn't cite an edition surely it's up to date! Wait... what was that first entry in 6th ed. Lizardmen again:

-c15,000 The Old Ones arrive in the primeval and untouched lands of Lustria.
The Slaan of the First Spawning are created at the will of the Old Ones. The first Saurus are spawned as living weapons, created from a blend of now extinct native creatures. The first generations of Skinks and Kroxigor are created.
Ouch. Three strikes and you're out. This site doesn't even agree when it cites a book directly.

Face it, man, that site blows. It doesn't cite specific editions of a lot of its references and when it does it cites editions decades out of date. The whole timeline on that site is 100% wrong. Linking to it only dilutes and weakens your arguments.

I haven't caught up enough on what else is going on here to jump in but rest assured I'll be right along. Till then, pick your sources better, especially if you're going to try to defend them.

[Atheis Kurayami]

You can't use the army books due to their biased nature, especily over this conflict.

Have you even read any of the army books? Or are you just using info you found on various websites? It is extremely hard to be bias when you have a time line, that is the same in every army book with the event in it. The exception to this is the 6th high elf book and dark elf book, because they are written in first person. And given the quoted material on this instance, it is the exact same in 3 different books. Isn't that the very definition of non-bias?


What you're forgetting is that the lore is not set in stone, if you checked that one site (( that you are attempting to dispute)) you'd notice it gets it's lore from many warhammer sources such as Warhammer Fantasy Role Play, The Army Books, and I think there was another ...and as such because of this the author might have goten biased material mixed in with the non biased, AND i'd like to add that Warhammer lore has conflicted it's self before. The only info I am attempting to dispute is the conflicting info that the warhammer fantasy role play has. It is the sole source of its information, meanwhile the army books all say the same thing.



This is pure speculation, and "what if" and it never mattered if the Dwarfs knew the Slann or not, and the Slann spell caused horrible damage to the Dwarf realm, hurting many holds, and completly destroying 3 ... helped the Goblins and Skaven capture others.This is pure fact, due to the very nature of dwarves. The dwarves have a special rule in the warhammer table top game it is called hates greenskins. The reason they have the rule is due to all the grudges the greenskins racked up during the time of woes. ( I mean really the high elves and dwarves fought a bitter 400 year war and just don't speak to each other) If the dwarves knew about the slann and what they did with various natural disasters that lead to the ruin of their empire, the dwarves would have had a whole book of grudges devoted just to that one event. But what do we find out if you read the dwarf army book, not a single mention of lizardmen or slann at all.

I'd like to finish this by saying that, you have only attempted to discredit one source, that you have failed at doing, because you treated the lore as an absolute.

Also you have yet to try to discredit this, and i'd like to add that it is more general, and from what i've read, doesn't contradict it's self, this is probably due to the fact that it's more general, and that the author knew the army books were biased and as such tried to make this timeline as less biased as possable

http://www.siegetower.com/warhammer/timeline.htmThat is the timeline for warhammer fantasy battles 2nd ed. That came out in 1984, that information has been out dated since 3rd ed came out. Which is why nobody is using it for references anymore.

[Screwhealz]

Why do i love elves? well first off i wouldnt say i love em, but im defintely not an elf hater. If i do play order with my friends (we still havent picked a side yet, but beta will help final decision for sure) i will most likely be a HE. Not because im an elf fanboi but to me their classes r the coolest of everyone on the order. Archamge seems like a very interesting support class, the idea of a swordmaster using his ability w/ a sword to fufill a tanking roll rather than using a shield is really cool, and the white lions would just be the icing on the cake. besides those three classes i just mentioned the only other class on order that is reall appealing to me in hammerer.

Lets face it, fantasy games like WAR, WOW, and EQ would just not be the same w/o elves. Even those who claim to hate them cannot deny that the game just would not have that same feeling of fantasy if the elves were gone. Yes, they are not as important as orcs or dwarves, but the game certainly would nto be complete w/o them.

[Anders8989]

Why i like elves... i don't, atleast not the pansies from most lore.

Warhammer elves are freakin' awsome. I mean they started a war. With Dwarfs! Needless to say that they seem to know how to fight, and not just with bows.

All in all, i'm planning alting one, especially if white lions are the DPS class! Elves with axes... so... strangly... intriguing?

[Bargad]

Why do I love High Elves?
Well, I've got a pretty insignificant reason with that I loved the idea of massed ranks of shining Infantry when I was little, so they were my first army.

Secondly, they are the coolest race for me. Pompous, Arrogant, determined. And it's justified! They were the people who brought Magic to the Empire, colonised dozens of cities and were pretty much the most cultured race. And, despite the fact they are brilliant at every single art, they can still fight. Well.

White Lions, Swordmasters and Shadow Warriors are incredibly awesome, simply because they are savage. They are unique. And that's what I love about Elves.

[harrytheterrible]

i love them because i hate them so much and they are the only real challenge on the side of order
-Humans half of them are on chaos and the rest are dirt poor and cant even shoot lighting out of their finger *fires nothing *
-Dwarfs hate high elfs so much that they dont notice the waagh sneaking through the back door
and their robes are so easy to cleave through, now i shall flee before silly little dwarfs and humans flame me

[Captbigbeard]

I started out as an elf hater. I always imagined warhammer elves as looking like blood elves in WoW. Of course with a much more deeper and somewhat dark mindset. The TT models did much to back this up.

But these recent concept art drawings, black creepy eyes, eerie drawn out faces, really make the elfs look alien and different... as inhuman in appearance as in mind. I gotta say I have a ton more respect for 'um now.

[Avatar Of War]

In general elves have a certain mystique to them. If you look at the creation of 'modern elves" (Tolkien elves). They are immortal, their passions are not our passions, Time means nothing to them only knowledge and their obsessions have any meaning to them. They are unearthly in their magnificence

Honestly, elves are liked for the same reason vampires are, except modern elves are not as 'passionate' as vampires.

Vulcan's were practically elves in space. Longed lived, impassionate, completely logical.

These are just a few reasons why elves are liked.

The reason I like the elves in the Warhammer Universe however are: Guys with pointy ears, dead tiger draped around their shoulders and two handed axes that would make Paul Bunyan weep... The only way they could be any cooler is if they were Zulu's with pointy ears, dead tigers draped over their shoulders and spear's that would make Shaka Zulu weep...



Ohh and I spoke of 'modern elves' Those are elves base around Tolkeins work, classical elves come from "A Midsummers Night Dream" by "Big Willy" Shakespeare. These fairies are (in part) what Tolkien based his elves on. Unlike modern Elves (fairies) they were completely ruled by their lust, were mischevious to say the least and considered humans play things in their games. Oberon and Titania were considered the "king and queen" of the elves and are still considered such in many works of fiction.

[Screwhealz]

Lets face it, they have the coolest looking classes in WAR so far.

[Avatar Of War]

Lets face it, they have the coolest looking classes in WAR so far.

I'm going to have to disagree with you
Witch Hunters, Chosen, Witch Elves, Warpriest ect.

They all look pretty darn cool to me.. I have yet to see a character concept introduced that did not have a "Wow thats cool, I might make one of those" factor when it was introduced to the public...

Until the moment ALL the classes are revealed i won't be making any rash choices about what class/race i will be playing.. Every time they make a new announcement I change my mind as to what I thought was "an awesome class".

[ChosenOne]

Why do I like them? They are not pansies. They are just extremely egotistical. I have a feeling their capital city is going to look amazing. Their groupings will be feared and will definately be desired in the multifactional guilds.

[Crusader]

I first took an interest in high elves after following the Eldar in 40K for a long time. And honestly I love high elves in fantasy for the same simple reason I love the Eldar. I love how they face a terrible struggle with unmatched grace and tactical brilliance.

[Samble]

White Lions

[AltRocker]

LOL, it's great how ppl are really into their roles as dwarves and elves, renewing vows of vengeance and arguments sworn in the War of the Beard.. Really getting into the spirit of things.. but no seriously, Malekith the a**wipe is really the one responsible for starting the war.. so why don't we focus our fury on the dark elves instead? Now THATS an idea! ;)

Well anyway, i luv the high elves coz i'm a 'good-guy' orientated player and the HE are the closest to that.. and whats wif ppl saying how elves are pansies and 'posh'.. honestly, if we can wield a blade as well or even better than other races, how are we any less 'manly'.. and ARGH, who cares if we're thin and tall.. if you're encased in a bloody sweet suit of armor, it makes no difference..

so quit hatin, haters lol..

[rambo710]

The elves are the most prestine out of everyone. They are cool and calm in battle. They don't spas out and get all emotional when losing. They are able to control their emotions.

I also love how they have what looks to be a great archer class (shadow warrior). I will always be the archer class and I'm glad it was a part of the high elves. I, in real life only bowhunt, for it's tradition and gracefulness. It is easy to shoot a deer hundreds of feet way with a rifle but with a bow u have to get 30yds away. It is the prestine way of hunting and is prestine in WAR.

rambo

[Vaeronthar]

You do know that Shadow Warriors aren't "calm and pristine," right? They have no real control over their emotions. And they're elves, who are inherently passionate.

[rambo710]

Oh I'm quite sure they have control over their emotions, maybe not as well as over HE but if they didnt have any control they would be DE.

[Vaeronthar]

Oh I'm quite sure they have control over their emotions, maybe not as well as over HE but if they didnt have any control they would be DE....Bwuah?

It doesn't matter whether or not you're 'quite sure'. The lore is the lore, and missinterpreting it does not make it change. The Shadow Warriors are still High Elves because they didn't join Malekith. They are not still High Elves because of emotional control. They don't control their emotions. At all. They're angry, bitter people who kill enemies in the most brutally efficient manner possible.

[AltRocker]

...Bwuah?

It doesn't matter whether or not you're 'quite sure'. The lore is the lore, and missinterpreting it does not make it change. The Shadow Warriors are still High Elves because they didn't join Malekith. They are not still High Elves because of emotional control. They don't control their emotions. At all. They're angry, bitter people who kill enemies in the most brutally efficient manner possible.

i have this impression that they have a good control of emotions in terms of their typical HE quiet calculating manner, but in battle they release all their biterness anger and go hardout - much like how a disturbed murderer or vengeful assassin might? :D

[rambo710]

I have a similar opinion to Altrocker.
When u say that they have no control of their emotions at all and they try to kill by worst means possible. This is false as DE don't ANY control. Shadow warriors have control just not as much as other HE but more than DE. DE kill for murder and by worst means possible. It doesn't make any sense b/c when u describe a shadow warrior they sound like DE and yet they aren't.

[Baradun]

Meh, Elves arent as bad as meh kin make em out tah be, all a bunch of exadurated nonsense, manipulation by the Dark Elves and tragedy be the reward for such ignorence.

Aye'd be glad tah stand shoulder tah shoulder with meh Elgi allys defendin' their walls as they'd gladly do in kind.

Putting the beard asside for a moment, one of my first characters in an mmo was a Dark Elf finger wiggler specialising in crowd controll, the power that came with such responsibility fueled my furiously reprehensible mashine, for a while... then I realised I was no longer a powerfull crowd controll expert who could stop 20 Frogloks in their tracks while my party escaped and I fell in their stead. I had become a raid buff bott.

True crowd controll is my passion, though in War it seems that class has been excluded entirely and spread ammongst all classes. in a way it makes War more interesting but it is sad to know that my favourite class wont be braught into existence. Sorry this is a bit of a stretch on the topic, just me ranting again heh.

[Eldaran]

The Elves are just awesome. Being deadly and gracefull at the same time is always intriguing. Elves are wise, strong, beautiful, and they live for a damn long time! What's not to like?

[Barundin]

...Bwuah?

It doesn't matter whether or not you're 'quite sure'. The lore is the lore, and missinterpreting it does not make it change. The Shadow Warriors are still High Elves because they didn't join Malekith. They are not still High Elves because of emotional control. They don't control their emotions. At all. They're angry, bitter people who kill enemies in the most brutally efficient manner possible.

Doesn't the fluff in the new Army Book motivate their "Hate everybody" rule with them sort of being emotionally disturbed by their long guerilla war? If so, that proves you right.

[Vaeronthar]

You, ah, do know that it's entirely possible for them to not kill everyone because they just don't want to, right?

Emotions are more then just anger. And anger is more then simple bloodlust. Don't mistake ethics for emotional control.

[GrandOne]

"Though they are wilder and perhaps more vicious than the rest of our people, it is because of their tragic past rather than innate cruelty. Given the bitter times through they have lived, this is a flaw that we find easy to understand."

thats a part of what the armybook says about shadow warriors
and they dont hate everyone, only dark elves

[Barundin]

thats a part of what the armybook says about shadow warriors
and they dont hate everyone, only dark elves

In the new Army book they do, and they have got Eternal hatred vs. Dark elves. As for what you said, Vaeronthar, having hatred in WHFB means more than just spite or anger. That is something that most people would feel against their enemy. Hatred takes that to another level, such as Dwarfs hating all greenskins represents them passing the grudges down from father to son and spending all their free time grumbling about what they'd do if they got their hands on them grobi.

Hating everybody represents something in their psyche being out of order, really.

I know you can't just take TT rules directly as an argument when talking about fluff, but I believe that the motivation for that rule is in the background for the Shadow warriors now.

[Vaeronthar]

Wait... Barundin... do you think you agree with me or not? Either way, you do. I was talking to Rambo and AltRocker in my last post.

[Barundin]

Wait... Barundin... do you think you agree with me or not? Either way, you do. I was talking to Rambo and AltRocker in my last post.

Oh, I see.
But yes, I agree with you.

[Senryth]

the Warhammer elves always had a different feel then the elves of different MMOs (like the WoW faries) i love the way there not bulky and have gigantic muscles. They have a hatred for the dark elves greater then anything in the world. n they have kick arse armour :)

plus i cant wait to chop down u big nasty orcs with my GreatSword ;)

[Tyrith Palantír]

I like the high elves in warhammer because there history is covered with bloodshed, Plus shadow warriors are awesome

[Nassarm]

I've always loved the Elven race. I used to play the TT game, they were my first and only army. I mainly stuck with them for the fact their lore was amazing, their units looked even more AMAZING. They had this sense of being Elite warriors who could slice ur head off while drinking some tea... and who could argue, they have eternity to practice and hone their fighting skills, they're only immortal :mrgreen:

Swordmasters are THE Jedis of the Warhammer universe 8)