Calm before the Storm -

[Lorik]

So guys -

As we reach the coming forum Apocalypse that is known as Leipzig, my question is - When will we actually know something?

Do we have any informants camping out in the same hotels as the directors to get them drunk enough to give us early (correct) info? Is this Jeff-and-Paul show going to be broadcast? Has anyone seen my underwear? :mad:

The forums are becoming heated - but with all the speculation and riled voices - When will we really know? :confused:

[Gundam]

At this point I think the only thing that most people want to see is WHAT the classes are, then we can speculate about how they will work. The discussion in here has been so heated and Leipzig promises to put an end to these discussions. (Finally)

What we really might know could just be the names of the classes and some concept art, which is really all I expect. In this sub-forum I can't decide if I think this is the calm before the storm or if the storm is about to pass.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

At this point I think the only thing that most people want to see is WHAT the classes are, then we can speculate about how they will work. The discussion in here has been so heated and Leipzig promises to put an end to these discussions. (Finally)



You're kidding yourself if you think Leipzig isn't just going to reflame the discussions.

Sure you'll get the constructive threads like 'How will they implement class X'

But you'll just see a resurgence of 'Why Class X and not Class X!??!??!' postings. Let's just hope they make good choices so those ones are kept to a minimum.

[Gundam]

You're kidding yourself if you think Leipzig isn't just going to reflame the discussions.

Sure you'll get the constructive threads like 'How will they implement class X'

But you'll just see a resurgence of 'Why Class X and not Class X!??!??!' postings. Let's just hope they make good choices so those ones are kept to a minimum.

Heh, I realize that, which is why I said I can't tell where the storm is. There will be bitter people filling this sub-forum the moment the classes go live (hopefully corsair fans) but I half expect that to mostly die out after a week, but it could very well continue beyond release, and it will if Witches are skipped over. That is if Xurre survives the initial shock.

[Thrakkesh]

Xurre's always said that she's going to leave if Witch Elves aren't in like a million times, so yeah, if they don't show up I'll anticipate a 'bye guys' thread.

Which would be a shame.

Nonetheless, I more expect the conversation to move as to how they'll play with the ex-class shippers bitterly adding their lamentations over why they haven't been selected to anyone who will care to read them.

[Lorik]

I'm praying for a MALE MELEE HEALER.

Those are two adjectives that don't seem to be agreed upon anywhere by anyone.

So - who do we have there that's going to blog it on their cellphone / laptop? :D

[checkthis5000]

Xurre's always said that she's going to leave if Witch Elves aren't in like a million times, so yeah, if they don't show up I'll anticipate a 'bye guys' thread.

Which would be a shame.

Nonetheless, I more expect the conversation to move as to how they'll play with the ex-class shippers bitterly adding their lamentations over why they haven't been selected to anyone who will care to read them.

See I was thinking that if it happened Mythic would all of a sudden have a thousand angry witch elves outside their HQ, going "Look, we didn't know you existed."

With the response of course being. "Next time do a little research."

Followed by Khaine being very happy, and Xurre bathing in their blood. :p

[Thrakkesh]

I'm praying for a MALE MELEE HEALER.


So - who do we have there that's going to blog it on their cellphone / laptop? :D

Warrior Priest.

What do you think that giant 2-hander hammer is for?

[Gundam]

I'm praying for a MALE MELEE HEALER.

Those are two adjectives that don't seem to be agreed upon anywhere by anyone.

There already is one, go play your Warrior Priest and stop mucking in our Dark Elves. ;)

Personally I think that its a bad idea because it will either be a healer which can tank too and be overpowered, or it will have no healing power or killing power and get passed over for the other two order healing careers. Thats just me though. I realize Mythic has stated that they are trying to keep this from happening.

[Fiendish]

Come on Beastmaster! :p I still have hope.

Hopefully we can all at least get the names, though we may speculate on how they work but at least we'll know. Going nuts here.

[Thrakkesh]

There already is one, go play your Warrior Priest and stop mucking in our Dark Elves. ;)

Personally I think that its a bad idea because it will either be a healer which can tank too and be overpowered, or it will have no healing power or killing power and get passed over for the other two order healing careers. Thats just me though. I realize Mythic has stated that they are trying to keep this from happening.

There are some decent ways to impliment this. A 'melee healer' could have less options for controlling a fight and outright minimizing DPS but capable of absorbing more and being more effecient while under fire then a squishy caster that's more effective when ignored with some control (snare/root/short CC options) but more glass-armored. This will have the added benefit of both classes being uniquely suited to certain groups, if you roll tank-heavy, glass-cannon style, or even change depending on *what* you play against.

Just a thought, really.

[Lorik]

There are some decent ways to impliment this. A 'melee healer' could have less options for controlling a fight and outright minimizing DPS but capable of absorbing more and being more effecient while under fire then a squishy caster that's more effective when ignored with some control (snare/root/short CC options) but more glass-armored. This will have the added benefit of both classes being uniquely suited to certain groups, if you roll tank-heavy, glass-cannon style, or even change depending on *what* you play against.

Just a thought, really.

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Plus they've already shown that they have similar play-styles on both sides - Runepriest/Zealot have the same system but with different names. Who needs Righteous Fury when you can have "Blood-let"? ;)

[Gundam]

There are some decent ways to impliment this. A 'melee healer' could have less options for controlling a fight and outright minimizing DPS but capable of absorbing more and being more effecient while under fire then a squishy caster that's more effective when ignored with some control (snare/root/short CC options) but more glass-armored. This will have the added benefit of both classes being uniquely suited to certain groups, if you roll tank-heavy, glass-cannon style, or even change depending on *what* you play against.

Just a thought, really.

What is the first thing people do in a fight, kill the healers, because without heals its much harder to actually win a fight. So a melee healer has to have additional armor, which makes them tougher to kill, giving their party and advantage. (Having heals longer) If they under power them then they will try to get to melee and get chopped down much easier giving the advantage to the other party. Even better, what happens if they can just sit back and heal, allowing them to not need melee at all, but being hard to take down at all either.I'm not saying that its impossible to balance, its just incredibly hard, which worries me, Mythic isn't known for their balanced classes after all.

[Bulwyf]

I just want a Cold One Knight/Dread Knight with mounted combat on a nauglir playable class, probably the tank.. I'd even trade that wish with Xurre for her Witch Elves if I could get that. :p

[Sinjin]

We definetly need "I told you so"-thread where we can state own assumptions and point fingers after Leipzig.

[Nunizillion]

I just want new information period. Im like an info leach, the second nothing new is coming out I start to starve D:

[Illya]

I just want a Cold One Knight/Dread Knight with mounted combat on a nauglir playable class, probably the tank.. I'd even trade that wish with Xurre for her Witch Elves if I could get that. :p

If we get a Cold One Knight class, fighting mounted on nauglir, I don't care if all the other classes are female. I'll be happy.

[Lorik]

Crap - every thread descends into everyone listing off what they want :P (myself definitely included)

So - Do we have anyone from any community that we know of actually attending Leipzig?

[Xurré]

Crap - every thread descends into everyone listing off what they want :P (myself definitely included)
Tell you what... I'll not list what I want then. How's that. ;)


And please, let's try to leave the discussions of "what" and "how" out of this and instead focus on "when" and how we can minimize the time between "now" and "then" (as in... anyone planning to go there who could give those of us unable to attend the scoop?).


[EDIT] Oh, and Bulwyf, you've got a deal. :mrgreen:


- Xurré

[Zoatibix]

Maybe we could get the Corsair fans to kidnap them?

I mean obviously we'd interrogate them very gently and feed them and keep them warm, and let them go in a safe area as soon as they give us the info.

I think they are going to keep a very, very tight lid on this info. They want people to be watching the whole thing, use it to pull in as many people and make as big an impact as possible.

Letting slip some of the most crucial and anticpated info doesnt' serve their purpose at all.

Still, Wednesday isn't too long to wait.

And, I'd love to see Cold One Knights/Dread Knights, too. Almost as much as I'd like to see Witch Elves. Yes, that much! :o

[Lorik]

I just google-translated the german fansites and couldn't tell if they were saying they were going to the conference or if they were making a pie for their cattle. o.O

Anyone speak German?

[Godynial]

I'm prepared to be disappointed. There just isn't enough love for the Executioners... :(

[roadkizzle]

Oh, I'd much rather have executioners over witch elves as melee dps, but I'm guessing that executioners will at least be tanks.

[Gaazruk]

anyone going to Leipzig?

[Thrakkesh]

What is the first thing people do in a fight, kill the healers, because without heals its much harder to actually win a fight. So a melee healer has to have additional armor, which makes them tougher to kill, giving their party and advantage. (Having heals longer) If they under power them then they will try to get to melee and get chopped down much easier giving the advantage to the other party. Even better, what happens if they can just sit back and heal, allowing them to not need melee at all, but being hard to take down at all either.I'm not saying that its impossible to balance, its just incredibly hard, which worries me, Mythic isn't known for their balanced classes after all.

With things so nebulous and unknown it's difficult to speculate, but to up things simply: The healer is always targeted first, right? That's a given, he's the support that needs to be brought down. So you have basically two kinds of healers--slippery devils that have lots of short CC and escape options, making them harder to pin down, but glassish--a sort of offensive healer, whom you can even give the added benefit of slamming on the damage, or a fairly tough melee healer, who can take punishment fairly well, but lacks the ability to stop DPS cold in its track. Say--and I'm grossly oversimplifying, you give the squishy healer an AOE root on a short cooldown with a short duration. You can also even go really crazy and give the Melee healer 1-2 insta-cast heals instead of straight up casted, only give them cooldowns that reduce the HPS compared to the squishy healer.

The long and the short of it is if done right it gives you some neat options in terms of small group composition. For instance, let's say you have a tank or even two tanks? If tanks are half as good as they are supposed to, you can afford the squishy caster. He has better HPS, and can deal damage when he's not healing--and you support him. Your stuns, your taunts, things like that, prevent DPS trains from nuking the crap out of them. But what if you want to go really damage heavy--lots of Beserkers and Mages and the like? Well, your strategy becomes 'bring them down before they kill you'. Having a solid healer that can survive an assist train? Fantastic, gives the DPS the dilemma of kill a DPSer as fast as possible under the threat of wasted effort or kill the harder of the group to kill (healer) while the DPS pounds you flat.

Balanced classes and varied gameplay don't mix. There will be some will always be out and out better for option A or B.

[Gleipnir]

I'm prepared to be disappointed. There just isn't enough love for the Executioners... :sad:

I feel you bro.. If i could just get to play an executioner corsair or black guard (either one will suffice but preferably executioners) im happy. Those are for me some of the most identifying of the dark elf classes. Executioners represent the love for their god of murder. Black guard shows the dark elfs hatred for all living beings, and corsairs tell the tale of the druchii lifestyle of raiding and slaveselling.

I dont want to play a female and i dont want to fight on a stupid (pun intended) lizard.

All is in the hands of mythic!

Gleipnir.

[Gleipnir]

Heres some pictures of executioners, corsairs and black guards in all their dark glory.

Corsairs:

http://coolminiornot.com/75759
http://coolminiornot.com/114263

The last picture is one of the coolest and most dynamic models GW ever made. To me it represents everything the dark elfs are.

Another version:
http://coolminiornot.com/137808

Black guard:

To those who thinks Cold one Knight armor is cool, i give to you the black guard.

http://coolminiornot.com/146030
http://coolminiornot.com/41178
http://coolminiornot.com/85503

Executioners:

http://coolminiornot.com/78078
http://coolminiornot.com/147961

Just wanted to show my wishes of when they are at their best :)

Gleipnir

[Xurré]

To those who thinks Cold one Knight armor is cool, i give to you the black guard.
If you think Black Guard armor are cool, I give to you the Cold One Knight.

http://coolminiornot.com/51079
http://coolminiornot.com/41769

;)

Seriously though, they both look wicked. And I think they might be able to mix in some Cold One Knight armor features into the Black Guard armor to make something that looks even more wicked (I don't really like the Black Guard helmets that much).


- Xurré

[xeon]

mhhh, yummy. darkelf tank minis look nice. i hope they transfer that design nicely to WAR. that may change my choice of tank i want to play :)

[Gleipnir]

If you think Black Guard armor are cool, I give to you the Cold One Knight.

http://coolminiornot.com/51079
http://coolminiornot.com/41769

:wink:

Seriously though, they both look wicked. And I think they might be able to mix in some Cold One Knight armor features into the Black Guard armor to make something that looks even more wicked (I don't really like the Black Guard helmets that much).


- Xurré ___________

Yeah i would have added something about the Black guards hat but i forgot :p. Those are indeed less than frightening.

I have no doubt that mythic will make the Druchii look great. They have proven that they can translate the models to superbly to the game with the other races and im sure they wont let us down on the dark elfs!

Gleipnir

[Vervayne]

1. A healer isn't always targeted first, especially if you have a way of keeping them interrupted. In fact, there are many different strategies in RvR, depending on who you are up against. If a caster is going to blow you up, often times its smarter to kill them first. I've even been in groups where we went tank for tank (with a wicked assist train). It really just depends.

2. If there's a heavy armor healer on the Order side, then in order to keep things balanced, we need a heavy armor healer on the Destruction side.

3. I would be the happiest little gamer on earth if they announced a healer class that doesn't wear a dress. Chain ftw.

[Blaze]

But what if they only reveal two classes, like they have done before.

"EA Mythic is proud to present the Sorceress and the Shade! The two last classes will be revealed in December to keep the hype levels as high as possible."

Nooooo!
/wrists

[TheJR]

If you think Black Guard armor are cool, I give to you the Cold One Knight.

http://coolminiornot.com/51079
http://coolminiornot.com/41769

;)

Seriously though, they both look wicked. And I think they might be able to mix in some Cold One Knight armor features into the Black Guard armor to make something that looks even more wicked (I don't really like the Black Guard helmets that much).


- Xurré

Awesome pics ;)

[Mortissia]

I've seen your underwear. Where? Over there. That Squig Hearder is wearing 'em for a helmet.

[Lorik]

I've seen your underwear. Where? Over there. That Squig Hearder is wearing 'em for a helmet.

While it IS incredibly fashionable underwear, I'd prefer it on me than him. I assume you found it by smell. Thank you.

[Xurré]

But what if they only reveal two classes, like they have done before.

"EA Mythic is proud to present the Sorceress and the Shade! The two last classes will be revealed in December to keep the hype levels as high as possible."

Nooooo!
/wrists
Well, at least in that case we know pretty much for certain that Witch Elves aren't the support class as some have (stupidly :p) suggested. Would be worse if they said "Sorceress and Executioner" since then every other class is still possible in pretty much every role.

But yeah, the fear is pretty much (beyond the fear of our favorite classes not being in) that they'll do just that and announce only two classes. Though even in that case I doubt we'll have to wait until December to hear the rest; I'd say we'' know them one way or the other before the end of October.


- Xurré

[Blaze]

Well, at least in that case we know pretty much for certain that Witch Elves aren't the support class as some have (stupidly :p) suggested. Would be worse if they said "Sorceress and Executioner" since then every other class is still possible in pretty much every role.

But yeah, the fear is pretty much (beyond the fear of our favorite classes not being in) that they'll do just that and announce only two classes. Though even in that case I doubt we'll have to wait until December to hear the rest; I'd say we'' know them one way or the other before the end of October.


- Xurré

Yeah, I was really half joking.

If they do only reveal two classes I hope they at least give us the melee dps, just to end all those discussions :P

I'm pretty set on playing the Dark Elf tank though, because I want to be DE but also try out PvP tanking, something entirely new for me. So I'm hoping they will announce that role too.

When I think about it... I don't really have anything to worry about, since I don't think they can go wrong with the DE tank. Cold One Knight? Black Guard? Something called Dread Knight perhaps? Just stick an elf in wicked looking heavy armor and give them some cool abilities.

Black Guard for example. Just emphasise how they are Druchii nobles who hate everything (Eternal Hatred rule) and whose pride doesn't allow them to suffer defeat (Stubborn) and you got yourself a pretty cool concept for a tank :)

[Lorik]

Well, at least in that case we know pretty much for certain that Witch Elves aren't the support class as some have (stupidly :p) suggested.

- Xurré

Remember Xurre - No Sepuku :p We wanna keep your passion for the game/community around!

[Tonev]

I just want a Cold One Knight/Dread Knight with mounted combat on a nauglir playable class, probably the tank.. I'd even trade that wish with Xurre for her Witch Elves if I could get that. :p
What I been praying for but a plated melee class of any Dark Elvish kind will do to:D.

[Xurré]

If they do only reveal two classes I hope they at least give us the melee dps, just to end all those discussions :P
Not unless they also say that the class they just named is the melee dps archetype. ;)

Though if they say "Witch Elves" they can keep the exact role to themselves for a while (and I'll be arguing just as hard that there's only one role they fit in :p ). Just hearing that would be enough for me. :)


[EDIT] Ah drat, I said I wouldn't say what class I wanted to hear. Sorry... :oops:


- Xurré

[Gloovish]

You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Derailing the OP like that.

On topic:
I too cannot find my underwear.:mad:

[Thoden Firehammer]

Tensions are running high, lets all just hope a certain Dwarf doesn't go crazy and kill everyone...