Still a chance for Corsairs?

[Blaze]

Witch Elves are in and I'm pleased.
However I think Corsairs are really cool and I would love to see them implemented.

Yes they are a melee unit in the TT. But I believe they can get repeater crossbows as an option (correct me if I'm wrong here).

So what I propose is that Corsairs would be a medium range ranged dps class. The Sorceress will probably be a long range damage dealer as well as a support class. The Corsair would be less squishy but have a shorter range. They would be fairly competent melee fighters but primarily a ranged class since they would not be able to stand toe to toe with a real melee class.

They would use Repeater Crossbows to fire hails of bolts at the enemy while beeing resistant to enemy ranged attacks. They would be the only class able to aquire the signature sea dragon cloak. They have already said that quest rewards will be determined by class so it would be pretty easy to have the Corsair earn his cloak perhaps halfway though his career. He would later get better cloaks of course, as part of better armor sets.

He would be good at dirty pirate tricks like snaring or incapacitating the enemy with thrown nets or hooks. Toss a net on someone who gets to close, they turn them into a pincushion with your crossbow while they are helpless. The Druchii way :p
I can see them trowing down caltrops to slow people down as well. Any cheap trick they can use they will use.

He could throw javelins and harpoons to supplement his crossbow attacks. These would be powerful but short ranged and otherwise limited (by cooldowns or by making them morale abilities).

Corsairs would be a ranged class whose gimmick is a range of dirty tricks and speicial abilities suitable for incapacitating the enemy, such as those they would use as slavers.

The Witch Elves reprentent the Temple of Khaine and the bloodlust that Dark Elves can bring forth in battle.
Black Guards reprenent the Druchii nobility and their unending hatred for all who would oppose them.
Sorceresses represent the Dark Elf magic users and how the Dark Elves use magic.
The Corsair would nicely represent another important aspect of the Druchii, greed and selfishness. The Dark Elf take what they want and give nothing back. They raid and pillage and plunder to sustain their society.


So, comments? Opinions?
Would you rather see Shades? Do you feel they are more iconic or otherwise more suitable?
Are my ideas stupid? Feel free to be honest. I can take it :D

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Engineers are being billed as a 'medium range' sort of ranged class that is decent at melee, wouldn't suprise me to see Destruction get their variation of that whether it be Shades or Corsairs.

Though, I'd like to see Corsairs personally.

[Xurré]

There is a chance that Corsairs are still in, there’s always a chance, but it’s a fairly small one in my opinion.

While Corsairs could use repeating crossbows that’s more along the lines how any class could use them. They’re not really a ranged combat unit but more a melee unit.

It seems to me that if they want to base the ranged class on the repeater crossbow then Shades (I’d call them Blood Shades) make much better candidate since they’re already ranged experts. And while the use of ‘dirty tricks’, using snares and nets and such, has been suggested for Corsairs before a similar mechanic would make just as much, if not more, sense for Shades (who are, in a way, hunters surviving in the wild); setting traps and all that.

To me, a much more likely way in which players might get to play Corsairs is as follows.

What I would like to see is a (PvE) quest where players get to kill a Sea Dragon. The reward for this quest would be a Sea Dragon Cloak (giving defensive bonuses, particularly against ranged attacks). This cloak would be usable to all classes maybe, but at least to the ranged career (which I think will be either Shade or Beastmaster). Since what makes someone a Corsair is pretty much having earned a Sea Dragon cloak that means that those that completed the quest above could rightfully call themselves Corsairs. And if Shades are the ranged class then the play mechanic likely wouldn’t be all that different from what you describe anyway.

That’s how I look at it at least. :)


- Xurré

[Blaze]

There is a chance that Corsairs are still in, there’s always a chance, but it’s a fairly small one in my opinion.

While Corsairs could use repeating crossbows that’s more along the lines how any class could use them. They’re not really a ranged combat unit but more a melee unit.

It seems to me that if they want to base the ranged class on the repeater crossbow then Shades (I’d call them Blood Shades) make much better candidate since they’re already ranged experts. And while the use of ‘dirty tricks’, using snares and nets and such, has been suggested for Corsairs before a similar mechanic would make just as much, if not more, sense for Shades (who are, in a way, hunters surviving in the wild); setting traps and all that.

To me, a much more likely way in which players might get to play Corsairs is as follows.

What I would like to see is a (PvE) quest where players get to kill a Sea Dragon. The reward for this quest would be a Sea Dragon Cloak (giving defensive bonuses, particularly against ranged attacks). This cloak would be usable to all classes maybe, but at least to the ranged career (which I think will be either Shade or Beastmaster). Since what makes someone a Corsair is pretty much having earned a Sea Dragon cloak that means that those that completed the quest above could rightfully call themselves Corsairs. And if Shades are the ranged class then the play mechanic likely wouldn’t be all that different from what you describe anyway.

That’s how I look at it at least. :)


- Xurré

Good points. I hadn't thought about the survivalist aspect of Shades, with traps and such. Though I would still rather see Corsairs.

Shades would be a lot like Shadow Warriors. That could be used as argument for including them, to show how the two elf factions are similar but different.
But I don't think the DE and HE classes should be too similar. Shadow Warriors are more or less a must (gotta have the elven archer) and are already about using Druchii like tactics despite beeing High Elves. Shades would seem a bit bland as a result.
Yes they are cannibals and master hunters etc. But compare that to an fighting, stealing, plundering elf pirate raider. But which is cooler is entrely a matter of opinion of course.

I just think they are more iconic (sorry for using this overused expression once again).
The Shades are not even Druchii, but a separate tribe that lives up in the hills and occasionally lends its services to the rest of the other dark elves. They are savages and cannibals. They aren't even loyal to Malekith, they are like mercenaries. So I think Corsairs better represent what I think the dark elves are about.

[Ninjaguiden]

Personally I would also like to see corsairs with their cloaks and dual wielding swords, but having the cloak as a reward sounds good too.

[Izen]

In a movie I have seen (srry that i can not give you a link since its a long time ago)
Paul says that corsairs will be playable tho he says it and then quicky cuts off the subject and goes on about something else(like he said to much) so maby they will be in because he said so or maby not because it was not yet confirmed and Paul just could not shut up=p

[Ninjaguiden]

In a movie I have seen (srry that i can not give you a link since its a long time ago)
Paul says that corsairs will be playable tho he says it and then quicky cuts off the subject and goes on about something else(like he said to much) so maby they will be in because he said so or maby not because it was not yet confirmed and Paul just could not shut up=p

Link: http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/

It is the one about quest types, number 7.

Is there still hope? I doubt that he would shut up so quicly if corsairs were just NPC only.

[Izen]

Link: http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/

It is the one about quest types, number 7.

Is there still hope? I doubt that he would shut up so quicly if corsairs were just NPC only.

ye so could be they are npc only or could be he was going to say they are playable. In any way at this moment there is still hope for the corsair :)

[Chielz0r]

Give Corsairs repeater crossbows/ some dirty tricks and they could be the counterpart of dwarf engineers a medium armored/ medium ranged dps class.
IMO Corsairs just have to be in, they are the purest representation of the Dark Elf race; Slave raiders.

[Aenigma]

Yes, Corsairs would be cool, they have various iconic items about them and are a representation of the entire dark elf society IMO. Besides, including Corsairs would make a lot of people very happy.

But let us not forget that all the Elf classes were created months ago, so the only thing we can do is hope.

[Xurré]

Link: http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/podcast/

It is the one about quest types, number 7.

Is there still hope? I doubt that he would shut up so quicly if corsairs were just NPC only.
We’ve discussed that particular movie and what Paul was “about” to say a fair few times.

On the one hand there are people, like yourself, who are convinced that he was about to say “that’s one of the elf careers”. That could be.

However, a more likely explanation seems to be that he was about to go on a lengthy explanation, in usual Paul-style, about what a “Corsair” is for those unfamiliar with Warhammer. But then decided that it was unimportant to (and/or too long for) explaining quests and decided better of it.

Just saying to not get your hopes up based on that one movie.


- Xurré

[Ninjaguiden]

Also lets not forget, corsairs fit well into the game setting. After all they make up a large portion of the crew on the dark elf slave raids. And since we are on high elf soil thanks to the fleet, corsairs should be plentifull.

[Axxar]

Corsairs are too common and ordinary compared to the other careers in WAR. They'd have to remake them as something more than that to make them work as a career on par with the others. And there's no need to do that when there's other choices that already are special. You can hope for corsairs to be in but I'd say it's a pretty unrealistic view if you think they'll be. Shades or sorceresses for instance are both better choices for ranged DPS.

[Feigro]

Also lets not forget, corsairs fit well into the game setting. After all they make up a large portion of the crew on the dark elf slave raids. And since we are on high elf soil thanks to the fleet, corsairs should be plentifull.

Not to mention, there is a Black Arc jammed into the side of Ulthuan.

It's a tiny bit of a stretch, but I think Corsairs with repeaters could be the ranged. If the Sorcereress is the support class. Then the only other known option really would be Shades. However, if they include Shadow Warriors (likely), then I don't see them doing Shades too, it'd just be weak design to me.

Of course, I suppose there's always Manflayers too. But I'd sooner see them do Corsairs still.

-To Axxar, Marauders seem no less common and ordinary than Corsairs. In fact, for them they did exactly what you said, they suped em up and made em "Crazy, Tzeentch-powered super marauders". I don't see why they couldn't exemplify that these would be the elite of the Corsairs, especially considering there'd be the natural difference of them being ranged (they can only use Xbows in Mordheim). So there could be that distinction easily encorporated.

[Bulwyf]

If they have Shadow Warriors for HE then I don't see the point in Shades. I'd rather have Corsairs with repeater crossbows in the game as a ranged/multifacet class.

[Blaze]

Corsairs are too common and ordinary compared to the other careers in WAR. They'd have to remake them as something more than that to make them work as a career on par with the others. And there's no need to do that when there's other choices that already are special. You can hope for corsairs to be in but I'd say it's a pretty unrealistic view if you think they'll be. Shades or sorceresses for instance are both better choices for ranged DPS.

True but they could do like they did with the Marauder. Take a unit that was dull on the TT and add something that makes it awesome.

Corsairs are not like basic Warriors after all. They may not be a special choice or elite but they are something a bit unusual and they could be made to be elite.

I'm not super passioante about this or anything. More like playing the devils advocate to keep some discussion going to pass the time while we wait for the classes to actually be announced :P

[Black Razor]

Magic 8 Ball say 'Outlook not good'. Its logical to think one of the last two will be a Sorceress of some type, and that only leaves room for one other class. You have to ask can a Corsair be fit into the ranged DPS or Support role? The answer is not without some shoehorning. They can certainly give them some abilities and make them fit, but like with the Witch Elf in the support role it would modifying a class way off IP to get them there. The logical choices to me .. which so far seemed to be what they went with .. would be Sorceress and Shade for the last two classes .. though theres a little hope Corsair may take the shades place. Only time can tell now.

[Zihark]

Corsairs are too common and ordinary compared to the other careers in WAR. They'd have to remake them as something more than that to make them work as a career on par with the others. And there's no need to do that when there's other choices that already are special. You can hope for corsairs to be in but I'd say it's a pretty unrealistic view if you think they'll be. Shades or sorceresses for instance are both better choices for ranged DPS.

they took the basic troop of chaos and gave them a little touch, marauders. And not to mention, chosen of chaos is simply a chaos warrior with mark of tzeench on him (since he is a chosen and is working for the raven host), knigtly order (KotBS) is also only a core choice, not to mention that orc choppa is some sort of cross between a orc boy and a savage orc, which both is core. So that argument is not working since mythic have taken several other core choices and spiced them up a bit to make them fit within the game.

Though I do agree that shades would make for a much better ranged dps slot, since they already got their repeat crossbow ready and is a bit more of a special unit already anyway without any need of modification. And based on the skills and abilities for the corsairs, I think they would fit just as good on a shade as on a corsair

[Aviator]

Corsairs could possibly fill a niche that doesn't really exist in the game yet - a ranged class that's also decent at melee. From the sound of it so far, Engineers and Squid Headers aren't going to have much in the way of melee abilities (and probably a dead zone), so they need to rely on bombs and squgs to get back into attack ranged. And if Magi and Bright Wizards are like cloth wearing casters in other games, they're going to be very squishy.

[Axxar]

they took the basic troop of chaos and gave them a little touch, marauders.Exactly my point. There wasn't any alternatives so they had to change the marauder. There's alternatives to the corsair, thus no need for changing the corsair since no need for the corsair in the first place. Much better to take a career that suits the role perfectly than change something that doesn't fit into something new.

[The Masked Prince]

If they have Shadow Warriors for HE then I don't see the point in Shades. I'd rather have Corsairs with repeater crossbows in the game as a ranged/multifacet class.

Shadow warriors could be the pet class, so it would be the equivalent of the squig herders,
and the shade or corsair pure range dps, similar with the engineer.

[Estebar]

The 5th Edition Corsairs were able to use swords, axes (or some other one-handed close combat weapon) and repeater crossbows. It's not that big a stretch to re-equip them with their old weaponry.

[Zihark]

Exactly my point. There wasn't any alternatives so they had to change the marauder. There's alternatives to the corsair, thus no need for changing the corsair since no need for the corsair in the first place. Much better to take a career that suits the role perfectly than change something that doesn't fit into something new.

Guess i misunderstood/readed to hastly trough your post and missed the point than, sorry 'bout that. guess i speaked a bit harshly :p