Wow, warrior priest vid

[Sindal]

So after just watching the warrior priest video for the first time I must say I am very impressed. It truly is a very well done, unique class.

http://war.curse.com/videos/details/637/

I had some worries about the ability to create a true melee healing/support class. Its a very challenging thing to manage but I must say the warrior priest is the most impressive class fotage I've seen yet. He can easily swing his mighty hammer a few times and heal imbetween and keep up his allies.

I'm even more wishing (dreaming is probably more accurate :( ) for the blood acolyte now after seeing the time they've put into the warrior priest and would play one if I wasn't an avid dark elf TT player and dead set on playing destruction.

So kudos to mythic on another amazing class and lets hope our own healing class is as impressive so we may finish the Asur once and for ALL!

PS plus dark elves look so amazing in heavy armor =)

[bladecloud]

Eh, doesn't show too much.

Wish there was a better player controlling it.

[DaddysGirl]

Eh, doesn't show too much.

Wish there was a better player controlling it.

Err... I completely disagree. Usually we see videos of complete retards it seems trying to manage the controls and all the unknown spells, which is totally understandable as its all new to them.

This time it seems the player is actually quite knowledgable of the controls and spells.

And for the record, I take back my former comments of Warrior Priests being healbots, as I turned out to be terribly mistaken. Even at this early stage of the game, the WP is turning out quite nicely it seems.

[Morge]

All i know was I saw a lot of bunny hopping going on. At some points those squid herders looked like they were on a pogo stick. Think it was just the one person doing it.

I have to agree though the warrior priest does look pretty interesting. The fights looked to be fairly balanced except when 2 orcs would charge like 8 order players and fall like charging a firing squad.

[Dynamite]

All i know was I saw a lot of bunny hopping going on. At some points those squid herders looked like they were on a pogo stick. Think it was just the one person doing it.

I have to agree though the warrior priest does look pretty interesting. The fights looked to be fairly balanced except when 2 orcs would charge like 8 order players and fall like charging a firing squad.

what else do you expect if the orcs dont have their team right behind them with heals and support?

[Hoodwink]

Eh, doesn't show too much.

Wish there was a better player controlling it.

I think you just summed up my reaction to most of the videos I've seen. >.<

[Sindal]

Eh, doesn't show too much.

Wish there was a better player controlling it.


I to have to disagree, I thought the player was very good for a change, its a lot more difficult to play a WP then to play for example the bright wizard.

[Morag]

One other thing to keep in mind is that it is a beta version, with a stock UI, and none of the players have months of experience, familiarity and personal customization invested into their character. You see a lot of clicking to cast, a lot of wasted time while the person is paused mid battle to try to find an ability to use, etc.

What we can really only hope to glean from these videos are basic mechanics and how they are evolving as well as what we can expect the pace of RvR to be like. I doubt we'll see any sort of skilled videos come out until a few weeks after the game goes live. These videos we get now are great, if just to see how things are working in the game so far.

My only real gripe is when someone puts out a poorly edited video with lots of dead time where the person is just running around or standing there, or they cut out mid fight. I remember watching some of the German videos a couple weeks ago where it was literally 1-2 minutes of the player running through an empty zone. When they finally did find the enemy players they showed about 5 seconds of fighting before they cut to another clip of more running around.

[Sindal]

That exactly describes the zealot video being passed around. Geez, I'm not even sure that that player found anyone the entire match lol. But I agree and was more referring to the mechanics of the class as far as it truly appearing to be a melee healer

[Ryuuku]

I to have to disagree, I thought the player was very good for a change, its a lot more difficult to play a WP then to play for example the bright wizard.

The difficulty of playing a class doesn't change the fact that he clicks every button and keyboard turns. I mean I know they're new to the game and everything but after the tenth time clicking a button you should realize that if you click '1' it does the same thing.

[Hatemonger]

Hey, what's the problem with novice players being spotlighted in the vids? I mean, am I the only one who wants to know how a casual/novice players can control the classes? If the people were MMO-experts who studied the mechanics of the classes in-and-out before trying it out...then I fail to see how informative it would be to me, who isn't a complete loser. :p

[Hoodwink]

One other thing to keep in mind is that it is a beta version, with a stock UI, and none of the players have months of experience, familiarity and personal customization invested into their character. You see a lot of clicking to cast, a lot of wasted time while the person is paused mid battle to try to find an ability to use, etc.

What we can really only hope to glean from these videos are basic mechanics and how they are evolving as well as what we can expect the pace of RvR to be like. I doubt we'll see any sort of skilled videos come out until a few weeks after the game goes live. These videos we get now are great, if just to see how things are working in the game so far.

[EDIT: Clipped out this segment as in hind sight I was being a little too jaded :P]

I guess we know a little more about the pacing than if we had never seen any game play footage at all but we still don't know much. Like you said, the people playing are slow and unfamiliar with their career and abilities. On top of that they are using stock tactic and gear setups while being well below the level cap. Healers rarely if ever heal and for every video where the player uses a morale ability there are nine others where they don't. There's just way too much stuff that's going to affect the pacing that you can't see in these videos.

I'll agree that it's fun to see the stuff we read about in action but for me that's about it.

[dutch_gamer]

The difficulty of playing a class doesn't change the fact that he clicks every button and keyboard turns. I mean I know they're new to the game and everything but after the tenth time clicking a button you should realize that if you click '1' it does the same thing.

Not every single person uses the keyboard to play the game. I know that it is hardcore to do so, but not everyone does that, keep that in mind.

[Hoodwink]

Not every single person uses the keyboard to play the game. I know that it is hardcore to do so, but not everyone does that, keep that in mind.

Using hotkeys now makes you 'hardcore'?

[Koldria]

Using hotkeys now makes you 'hardcore'?

To use nothing but hotkeys is considered 'hardcore', or at least that was the impression I've gotten while playing MMOs. The only time I ever used hotkeys was when I had to play as a healbot on my priest in WoW. Whenever I played the rest of my characters in most other games, I used the mouse. I don't see why some people have such a thing against clicking.

[Aaronthethird]

To use nothing but hotkeys is considered 'hardcore', or at least that was the impression I've gotten while playing MMOs. The only time I ever used hotkeys was when I had to play as a healbot on my priest in WoW. Whenever I played the rest of my characters in most other games, I used the mouse. I don't see why some people have such a thing against clicking.

I've always used a combo of hotkeys and mouse clicks, I think it works best for certain things. For instance I use hot keys for things I want to cast immediately after selecting a target like debuffs and DoT's but I use mouse clicks for attacks in the midst of a battle because I find it is a lot easier to kite/chase players with the keyboard, but that is just me.

But as far as the video goes, I can see to a certain extent as to what people are saying as they would have liked to see more of the character's mechanic, but I think it kind of tells us a lot in that we never really noticed a mechanic and he healed a pretty fair amount for a person just trying it out at a convention. What that tells me is that the mechanic won't be too cumbersome which should allow they to heal on par with all the other classes. That is good news for those who are concerned that mechanics may make one healer more or less desirable.

[Ryuuku]

To use nothing but hotkeys is considered 'hardcore', or at least that was the impression I've gotten while playing MMOs. The only time I ever used hotkeys was when I had to play as a healbot on my priest in WoW. Whenever I played the rest of my characters in most other games, I used the mouse. I don't see why some people have such a thing against clicking.

Did you see how people outmaneuvered the guy in the video? That's why. If you're clicking then you're keyboard turning. If you're keyboard turning, especially as a melee, you're going to get rocked. There's nothing hardcore about it, there's two choices when playing most MMO's.

A) You use hotkeys on your keyboard and use your mouse to turn. Clicking hotkeys on your keyboard is much quicker then clicking them with your mouse. Turning is much quicker when turning with your mouse as opposed to your keyboard. You also have an easier time selecting people, be it allies or enemies this way because your mouse isn't hovering over abilities all the time.

B) You use your mouse to click abilities and you use your keyboard to turn. Clicking hotkeys on your mouse is slow, pushing 1, 5, t, 4 is a lot quicker and accurate then scrolling your mouse from skill to skill. Moving with your keyboard means you turn at a snail's pace like seen in this video. "Target is not in front of you". You'll see that a lot, get used to it. You also lose the ability to circle strafe and other maneuvering abilities to get a heads up on your opponent. Also clicking abilities with your mouse means that you're constantly looking at your ability bars. This means you're not watching the battle as closely as you could, or your allies health bars.

It's not hardcore, it should be a common thing that everyone does. It's easier, more efficient, quicker, and makes you a better player. I'm not sure why this is something that makes you hardcore, all you need to do is know what the key '1' does and click it.

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/6332/keyboardturnerxu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Tonev]

Well, from watching the video, the guy didn't do too much of nothing to be honest. When he did finally get a one on one with that Orc, he got put down pretty quick.

I think those fire AoEs through was the key to all their victories (BW did hella damage to them guys), I hope people figure out how to PvP with these controls when it hits (especially Destruction side) cause it seems like every video I see they are getting their asses handed to them everytime.:sad:

[Hoodwink]

Ugh, let's not get into a clicking vs. hotkey debate here. I should have kept my mouth shut. :\

More on topic there are a couple things I didn't notice the first time I watched the video. Judging by the counter to the right of the action bar it seems your righteous fury points are capped at 5. Getting up to 5 seems fairly trivial as the 'builder' seems to not have a cooldown and you get a point for normal attacks.

I think one of the problems I have is that most of the people who play the demos are just playing to play. They aren't really trying out all of their abilities or testing the functionality. It makes them frustrating to watch some times.

[VeriusCarth]

Blah arguments. Section removed.

Either way, the Warrior Priest video was pretty nice, player ability or no, for the most part, he knew what his role was, at least. He wasn't just trying to bash stuff with his hammer, and actually healed people on his team.
Pretty interesting video, but... still reserving judgment on the actual class.

Edit: As for the RF bar seeming to fill up trivially, it might be set that way for the beta, so people can test all their skills without too much difficulty of having to build them up the hard way?

[Hoodwink]

As for the RF bar seeming to fill up trivially, it might be set that way for the beta, so people can test all their skills without too much difficulty of having to build them up the hard way?

Possibly.

I didn't really mean that building righteous fury was trivial in the sense that it's meaningless, I meant that hitting the cap was trivial. Given that the cap is so low (5 points when some abilities cost 2) you will need to have a fairly steady stream rather than building up a big reserve then hanging back for a while.

This isn't any big revelation or anything, it's basically just an affirmation of what we've been told by Mythic.

Mythic seems to want each career to be unique but I hope the Dark Elf healer is in a similar vein. It sounds like a lot of fun to play.

[Sindal]

Go check out my blood acolyte thread if your looking for a melee de healer, some cool brainstorming going on in there

[Morag]

I guess we know a little more about the pacing than if we had never seen any game play footage at all but we still don't know much. Like you said, the people playing are slow and unfamiliar with their career and abilities. On top of that they are using stock tactic and gear setups while being well below the level cap. Healers rarely if ever heal and for every video where the player uses a morale ability there are nine others where they don't. There's just way too much stuff that's going to affect the pacing that you can't see in these videos.

I'll agree that it's fun to see the stuff we read about in action but for me that's about it.

I was refering more to people not being 1-2 shot and actually living for more than a few seconds when they started taking a beating. Of course, once people get good at the game things will be a bit different, but it's nice to know that even when you get dogpiled by a bunch of newbs you don't drop like a rock. For example, when the Warrior Priest actually makes a run for it at one point with a sliver of health. If he actually had been quick enough to heal himself he might have given that Choppa a better fight.

[bladecloud]

Err... I completely disagree. Usually we see videos of complete retards it seems trying to manage the controls and all the unknown spells, which is totally understandable as its all new to them.

This time it seems the player is actually quite knowledgable of the controls and spells.

And for the record, I take back my former comments of Warrior Priests being healbots, as I turned out to be terribly mistaken. Even at this early stage of the game, the WP is turning out quite nicely it seems.


I can't even stand watching the video a 2nd time, he's using his arrow keys to turn instead of his mouse.. it's ridiculously slow.

[Xurré]

I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with dark elves... shouldn't this be in the Warrior Priest forum?


- Xurré

[Dasquigman]

I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with dark elves... shouldn't this be in the Warrior Priest forum?


- Xurré
i dont understand what your getting at

the WP vid was kinda nice to me it was not to interesting though a lot of the time he wanted to attack something they were already dead or dieing other wise he did make good use of his class attacking and healing for a (for what we know) a first time player he did really good. I just wish for the next vids someone remembers hey there the moral bar oh wow its full I think ill go own someone know.:)

[Dasquigman]

I can't even stand watching the video a 2nd time, he's using his arrow keys to turn instead of his mouse.. it's ridiculously slow.

well I can agree with you saying that it is better to turn with the mouse but he did have some knowledge of the spells and the mechanics of his class

[Xurré]

i dont understand what your getting at
I thought that was very, very clear... what I'm getting at is that the thread is in the wrong forum. What has the warrior priest to do with dark elves except that they might make a decent sacrifice?

Sure, the video might be nice (though personally I can't watch someone else play as it always looks incredibly boring to me... particularly if most of the time you can't actually see what they're doing because there's half-a-dozen Bright Wizards closer to the camera). But this forum is not the place to discuss it.


- Xurré

[Dasquigman]

oh.....I didnt know that I just looked at new posts and saw this im sorry i did not know that it was in the wrong forum.

[Sindal]

Yea the post has become terribly derailed which is why I have stopped posting in it ha. The original intent was to share a RvR vid that a lot of DEs might not have usually seen depecting the current Melee healer in the game and how well I think the mechanics are working. I would really like the DE healer to be a melee based healer as I've stated in other threads and after watching the video I was even more impressed. I guess it was kinda spur of the moment of me but I jsut wanted to show the DE fanbois the current melee healing mechanics so others could see how cool it would be if possibly the DE were to recieve a twist on the class

Basically I was trying to kick off a thread like I've started now titled Blood Acolyte =)


Under no circumstance did I orignally intend for it to become a argument of hotkeys :oops:

[Necrophyt]

The difficulty of playing a class doesn't change the fact that he clicks every button and keyboard turns. I mean I know they're new to the game and everything but after the tenth time clicking a button you should realize that if you click '1' it does the same thing.

Actually some of us are more comfortable using the mouse to click abilities. I for one arent very good at using my left hand, so hitting 1 2 3 4 etc with it is harder than using my right to click stuff.

Also if you start off clicking, and always click, its hard to break the habit. I've tried. said "F*ck this", and went back to clicking

[bladecloud]

Actually some of us are more comfortable using the mouse to click abilities. I for one arent very good at using my left hand, so hitting 1 2 3 4 etc with it is harder than using my right to click stuff.

Also if you start off clicking, and always click, its hard to break the habit. I've tried. said "F*ck this", and went back to clicking

I use to be stubborn about it, if you just keep at it you'll get use to it after a week-month just doing one or two abilities at a time.

Speaking of mouse movement.. I personally don't even use WASD anymore. I only use Q and E for strafe and my mouse for everything else (both mouse buttons = move forward, and a auto run bind on my mouse). Opening WASD also opened up a few easy ability slots to bind :eek:

[Pica]

Eh, doesn't show too much.

Wish there was a better player controlling it.

QFT, reminded me of a keyboard turning retri paladin

[Blaze]

To use nothing but hotkeys is considered 'hardcore', or at least that was the impression I've gotten while playing MMOs. The only time I ever used hotkeys was when I had to play as a healbot on my priest in WoW. Whenever I played the rest of my characters in most other games, I used the mouse. I don't see why some people have such a thing against clicking.

It's simply not a viable way to play.

Say that you play a Mage in WoW. You have several instant spells that need to be accessed while moving. And if you dont use mouselook and strafe while kiting someone you cant also face them enough to launch your spells while running away from them.
When you use rank 1 blizzard to expose a rogue that just vanished you cant drag your mouse down to click the ability, and then drag it up to cast the spell in the right place before he already moved away unless you have it hotkeyed.
The same goes for grenades, you need them hotkeyed so you can properly target and throw them in the right spot to stun someone.
When you are fighting multiple enemies you need to mouse to select the right opponent if some healer needs to be counterspelled while you attacking another target. You cant do that unless you have the mouse free and counterspell hotkeyed. Same goes for polying the right target at the right time.
You also have abilities that need to be accessed within a split second. If you dont iceblock within half a second after that insta Pyro is flying your way it's gonna hit you and take most of your health if it crits. Same goes for other abilities that need to be accessed as fast as your reactions allow you to. Blink and Counterspell most notably.

There are lots of other examples but I think I made my point. Any of the above situations can be the difference between winning and losing. You cant compete at your best in PvP without extensive use of keybindings. Because your mousehand will never be as fast as your fingers can be.

And I hope WAR will be similar in this respect. I want the RvR action to involve some twitch and quick thinking as well as good knowlege of both your own and every other class' abilities.

[Kawnal]

Very impressed. Looks like the animations are really improving. I enjoyed hearing barnett in the background rousing the crowd with the WAR-HAMMER! chant.