Different Personality being a Zealot? [Archive]

BadTouch

08-26-2007, 09:26 PM

I know people dont find us popular, or cool or w/e you want to call it but who cares??? we play the class we want for our specific interests. I believe that it takes a different personality than most classes to play a character like a zealot well and enjoy it. All most melee fans see is OMG HEALING so what its apart of our class. Healing in most mmorpgs is definetly not an easy task and people giving you sht isnt either **cough cough WOW**

I personally dont like having an over crowded class, and i love everything about a zealot. Healing classes take a lot of crap from others and i enjoy the challenge that WAR has given to zealots with the DOTS HOTS AND DDs.

Do you believe it takes a diverse personality and game aspect to play a complicated class like a zealot/shaman well?

Auricthunder

08-27-2007, 01:03 AM

Well, in my experience, it's a combination of healing being the job that people are most aware of (people tend to notice when they die) and some very vocal healers trying to make their classes into pariahs.

Axxar

08-27-2007, 04:51 AM

I say it depends. If a class does only healing and can't do much else, it requires someone who either enjoys helping others or someone who is willing to make a sacrifice and play the healing class. It can also have to do with the looks or other things about the class itself. For instance if all healing classes in a game are very simple to play it will turn off people who like complex classes. Personally I like diversity so I've played healers as well as tanks and DPS classes. The healers in WAR are less dependant on others than many healers in previous MMOs, so I think that's one thing that, for many players, makes healing careers more accessible and desirable to play in this game.

Grimfell Gromgear

08-27-2007, 05:13 AM

They just look to emo to me. Like the goth kids I knew in high school.

Nothing against their mechanics, which I think are pretty nifty, but I can't play a class who I can't get behind the looks for.

Axxar

08-27-2007, 05:21 AM

I see them more as depraved maniacs screaming Tzeentch's will at his enemies. And have you seen some of the images of them in tier 4 gear? Awesome stuff. It would take me some time to get used to their posture though, but I think it could grow on me over time.

Auku

08-27-2007, 06:31 AM

First of all THERE ARE NO HEALING CLASSES, but there are classes that can heal!

Kiminara

08-27-2007, 06:47 AM

I believe it could take a different personality to play the shaman/zealot. Because they both do things other than just heal, they have to juggle the damage/debuffing and healing. I'd suspect it'd be a hard task. You can't just sit behind your allies, look at health bars and heal, and you can't just nuke or debuff. You should be doing both, to be the best at your class.

minotauro

09-19-2007, 03:47 PM

Ive heard alot of people complain the run animation is what makes them NOT want to play the class. I for one think its looks pretty damn sexy.

Yvo

09-19-2007, 04:03 PM

First of all THERE ARE NO HEALING CLASSES, but there are classes that can heal!

And thats why the archtype is referred to as HEALER in all official contexts.

Fusko

09-21-2007, 10:22 AM

And thats why the archtype is referred to as HEALER in all official contexts.
I think he means that theres no heal-bots, like people who just stand in the back and spam one button on their pal.

I think that the healing classes in WAR in general will be more difficult than the rest to play, because you WILL have to heal, damage, and debuff to be effective, while a magus and marauder are just DAMAGE DAMAGE DAMAGE! And a chosen will be damaging and keep his buddies protected. But a zealot will be juggling 3 tasks, and have to keep track of his allies' debuffs and health. So, if you're up for a challenge, roll one of the healing classes.

Auku

09-21-2007, 04:44 PM

And thats why the archtype is referred to as HEALER in all official contexts.

So if your a tank, then your tanking every second of the game. Right? If your a healer than your healing every second of the game. Right?

Valentino

09-21-2007, 10:38 PM

No offense to you Auku, but some of you people have taken this WAY too far. Just because Mythic has been nice enough to give us options other than spamming our heals, doesnt mean Zealots, Shamans etc arent the healers of the game. We are. Our primary job is support, a big part of which will be HEALING.

The sooner you rid yourself of the notion that a Zealot is a dpser with heals, the better.

sw4

09-23-2007, 05:57 AM

Bisonberg

09-24-2007, 09:10 PM

Crazy ol' dude

09-25-2007, 12:06 AM

It certainly seems that although support archetypes in WAR won't be doing as much healing as those in other games, that healing will actually still be an integral part of the class. Neglecting your heals will probably earn you quite a few "OMG Heal Me NOOB!"
That's right :) But you can always go
"OMG Heal Me NOOB!"
"Which heal would you like sir?"
"...WTF! HoT MEEEFFFS"
"But sir! HoT spends too much AP and requires time to heal you for a considerable amount of health points! As i see dear sir you're heavily wounded already and there're 3 people killing you at the moment so i'd rather advise a single target heal - Dark Medicine. Hehe, did you ever think why is this awesome spell called "Dark Medicine"? You see, dead sir, as we're shamans of Tzeentch...or a ressurection spell would do you good at this moment. Would you like that ressurection spell be cast on you dead sir?"
"...WH4T TH3 R U DION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111"
At this point if you're playing with reasonable people with sense of humor
the_"J00_R_N00bZ"_person:=kick
else
write(Groupleaders_name,': MAN, YOU"RE SICK!');
you:=kick;
end.

As for the thread point - yes, i do think it takes a different personality to play a Zealot properly. As it takes to play anything else ;p But seems like Zealot will be more complicated to unleash all it's power than any other, but we'll see anyway ;p

Razma

09-25-2007, 04:16 AM

It certainly seems that although support archetypes in WAR won't be doing as much healing as those in other games, that healing will actually still be an integral part of the class. Neglecting your heals will probably earn you quite a few "OMG Heal Me NOOB!"

Oh god I hope i will also hear some "Protect me NOOB CHOSEN!",nothing more fun than letting a zealot die who thinks he has to dps instead of healing the front cow.

Anyway healing is part of the class,being the healing chaos class even a major one,deal with it.

Terrok

10-18-2007, 12:17 AM

Im sure the ideal personality for a zealot is like a WoW warlock/shadowpriest with less BOOM and more BUFF!

Not following? It will take multitasking of all the diffrent abilities (maintaining debuffs [Warlock]) and aiding your alies using both the rituals (which both hinder enemies and help allies) and buffs and a few heals to keep your group up (Shadow Priest.)

Depending of course on actual mechanics, I will be spending most of my time flinging out harbringers. I like harbringers and slowly killing my enemy and making them THINK they have a chance before they inevitably die. Harbringers help the group too! so I can control combat even more than before!In case you haven't guessed, I played a warlock in WoW... mostly because the manual said they would be "debuff" class not "DoT nuke" class... But I came to get real used to the idea of controlling combat by being a warlock (and coincidentally be targetted all the time in the arena) so IMO a zealot will be doing just that but using more heals and less fear spamming.

TLDR's: Yes takes an incidious person that likes to "play" with his food and control combat. :)

Loekii

10-25-2007, 03:20 PM

They just look to emo to me. Like the goth kids I knew in high school.

Nothing against their mechanics, which I think are pretty nifty, but I can't play a class who I can't get behind the looks for.

I hope that they offer some variety beyond playing a goth or a 'speedmetal' band member.

Ho Theos

11-15-2007, 02:56 AM

The thing I love most about the Zealot? It's the fact that everyone looks at the class and goes "Ergh!", apart from us special few that go..."Oooo he's got birds". Yes it really does required a different personality, but so just a Tank, Melee DPS and Ranged DPS.

To all you naysayers, I guarantee when WAR comes out you won't be complaining about who you get your buffs/heals from, however if you still have a problem with zealot be sured to contact me in game and I will happily watch you die whilst buffing those around you

*insidious smile*

MaeglinIX

12-05-2007, 10:54 AM

I voted yes and no.

The typical MMO mentality seems to involve picking a class which will show you some big numbers. The Zealot doesn't look like it'll be that class, and in the respect it'll take a different sort of player.

I look at the Zealot as the DoT and debuff class. This sort of class seems to be VERY effective at some point over the span of the game. Shadow Priests and Warlocks in WoW are examples of this. Sure the Warlock was AWFUL for a long time, but for the last 6 months or so they've been unstoppable. I'm playing the Zealot because it sounds to me like they'll be the class that makes a group win games. In that, I don't think they take a different mindset, they just take foresight.

Lint

12-06-2007, 05:36 PM

To me the zealot looks great. I love the mechanics they use, and it seems like a class that will take a lot of dedication to master. So they're not the most visually appealing class, but I'm sure being a really good zealot is more rewarding then being one of the sheep classes that everyone will be playing.

Half

12-14-2007, 09:10 PM

First of all, I think that you are going to have to have something between your ears to be effective, every engagement you will have to try to plan ahead, decide where you want to fight, try to make people fight inside your rituals etc etc etc. On top of that you will have to heal and essentially decide who lives and who dies.
Intelligence however is not personality.
You have to be content that you are not going to be able to stand toe to toe with a marauder alone. You are never going to make that last important kill in the game, you are standing behind his back, helping.

I dunno, I said yes, probably just because I think Im better than everyone else. :twisted:

Doc Lumbago

12-18-2007, 03:32 AM

Thrakkesh

12-18-2007, 04:36 AM

I do like the RP aspects of him
Most healers are like some kind of "come to me my brave warriors I shall tend your wounds"-guys, pacifist always do-the-right-thing priests or Hippie-style druids

the zealot is the religious fanatic like:" those who walk in the path of the Great Raven will I shall give limitless power and you shalt not suffer from any wound. Those who are unbelieving and dare to cross his path shall die. DIE!!!!

Yeah. I kind of have this twisted RP concept in my head of a low-cunning (if intellectually lacking) fanatical former peasant driven mad by a series of bad luck and hell-bent on tearing a swathe of destruction in his path by the misguided belief that this will somehow elevate him a normal life due to an extremely twisted vague understanding of causality preverted by the God of Change, diverting his foul gods will to bestow fortune on those seen fit to his god, while his foes suffer misfortune and suffering.

Not something that would really work in most settings. :-D

Hedley

12-25-2007, 04:53 PM

Do you believe it takes a diverse personality and game aspect to play a complicated class like a zealot/shaman well?

i think it takes nerves of steel and the patience of a saint to heal in an MMO at all with all the support takes

*edit* bah edited wrong post need to not post and put away presents at same time

NewKid

01-18-2008, 06:52 PM

i voted yes and no because it does take a kind of personality to deal with all the crap that support classes get, it takes a certain personality to heal those people that scream at you for heals and it takes a certain concentration/leadership to get people to work with you instead of expecting you to be a little slave healer to follow them around. That being said, anyone can play a zealot if they want(they will suck, but w/e) and just because people have the personality to play a zealot doesn't mean that they are going to.

Turuk

01-19-2008, 03:27 AM

The DoT and HoT mechanic allows the player to be more mobile after applying the spell. You're not just casting big heal, big nuke, big heal, big nuke, you can maneuver around and confuse the enemy instead of sitting around the whole time casting.

Titus Legion

01-19-2008, 10:23 PM

Im sure the ideal personality for a zealot is like a WoW warlock/shadowpriest with less BOOM and more BUFF!
:)

This is pretty much exactly how I see them! If a Warlock was a healer, it'd be a zealot.

I don't really think that it takes a different personality to be a zealot. Maybe a different personality to say "OH WOW THATS SO COOL!" (compared to the other more flashy looking classes) but not to pick it in general.

I am drawn to the zealot as support simply based on the premise that I don't need to "build up" to do healing. If my buddy is being DPS'd to high heaven, I can (IF I WANT) just sit there and spam my strongest heal over and over and over until they get the point and stop hitting them. Of course I haven't played the game but essentially being FORCED to DPS in order to do the best healing doesn't really appeal to me at this point.

Especially if there is a global cooldown system similar to WoW - if your friend is at 10% life, would you rather cast Greater Heal, or Shadow Word Pain ...even if it increased the power of your next heal by more than 50% ?

Of course - they could theoretically make it so Greater Heal takes 3 seconds - but 1.5 secodns for SW:P, and then 1.5 secodns for your greater heal after a SW:P. Maybe its more natural than I would think... but I'd really rather just do what spells I want when I want them!

With the marks that grant my friends more abilities - i'm sure some of them will become very staple to some other classes. Good example that I can say over and over again and never get bored of is a Warrior with windfury weapon!

Huxley

02-08-2008, 04:42 PM

I would think that most people don't find the zealot appealing at first glance.. for some reason I wanted to play one from the start, I like everything about them. I played WoW for 3ish years as a shadow priest/lock so I like DoTs and found druid healing(HoTs mostly) to be kinda fun so naturally I like zealots..:)

edit - I'm sure this has been said before many times but I figured I would add something.8)

Lesane

02-14-2008, 09:28 AM

So if your a tank, then your tanking every second of the game. Right? If your a healer than your healing every second of the game. Right?
that's the dumbest comment I've read today. Thank you for making my day.

On a more serious note: Healers are classes who have healing as their feature. You don't want a healer to only dps as he's weaker than real dps, hence why you let them do it. You let healers play a mixture of each focussing on healing/debuffing ---> group play. Educate yourself. This is without taking new mechanics into consideration like Waaagh! Waaagh! is slightly different in such fashion that you need to cast some offenssive spells in order to heal more effeciently to ease the "omg I'm a healbot QQ" feeling some people get.

I honestly don't get your state of mind.

Biomechanical

03-06-2008, 01:25 AM

I would think that most people don't find the zealot appealing at first glance.. for some reason I wanted to play one from the start

Honestly, I wanted to play a Marauder to start with, because I liked the idea of being able to "hulk out" and go all berzerker on people (and gank people in rvr areas when they are preoccupied). Then I saw video of the arm mutations and they are not as big or cool looking as the concept art was.

Mustard

03-07-2008, 06:21 AM

First of all THERE ARE NO HEALING CLASSES, but there are classes that can heal!

OR MABYE there are no DPS classes. Just Healers with no healing spells?

*runs away*

Lucretius

03-10-2008, 07:08 AM

This class appealed to me because it will be the class that the most is demanded from.

A lot of coordination goes into playing this class. A lot more coordination than some other classes. We are expected to be able to do some things at bare minimum. I plan on going well beyond all of these, but lets say we're in game and we look at a Zealot and we judge the Zealot as having "average" skill, I think this is what that Zealot will be capable of doing.

We are the most potent healing class for chaos, and we will be expected to demonstrate that. At the same time we will be expected to show some competance in Harbinger allocation... making sure the correct type of opponent is afflicted in the most effective way so as to maximally neutralize the opponent all the while buffing our allies. We will be expected to intelligently, probably sparingly, use our direct damage spells.

I don't suspect many people will play this class correctly, meaning, as a support character instead of a wanna-be magus.