Magus created specifically for Mythic?

[Xiara]

Just curious, is the Magus a classic class from Warhammer lore or created specifically for Mythic and Warhammer Online? I read the Zealot is not a classic warhammer class.

I'm only familiar with the Dark Elf classes from lore.

[Gemini]

The Magus is just an elite Chaos Sorcorer. I'm not sure there is something speffically named the Magus, but it's not a new creation like the Zealot. Think of it more along the lines of the Choppa. There is no orc unit called a choppa, but it is essentially jusst an orc gone totally, completely, wholley mad, even for an orc.

[AlienOverlord]

Here is a Gamesworkshop with a Chaos Sorcerer and his disk

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/hordesofchaos/catalog/tzeentch_lord.htm

[Krulltak]

Here is a Gamesworkshop with a Chaos Sorcerer and his disk

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/hordesofchaos/catalog/tzeentch_lord.htm


The problem is Alien, that that is NOT a Chaos Sorcerer, that is a Tzeentchian CHampion. Only the champions/lords of Tzeentch get disks, not some random, non-specific-god affiliated sorcerer.

THe Sorcerers/Magi of Chaos and the Tzeentchian champions are two different things. Therefore, the Magus is indeed something new specifically for WAR.

[MageLite]

The Magus is just a chaos sorceror renamed as not to be confused with Dark elf Sorceresses, IMO.

[Xiara]

Thanks for the info.

[Garok]

It had to be twinked though to fit. Having a spell caster in chaos armour that was as god like in mele as it was with magic would not exactly be balanced !

[Aqualisk]

The problem is Alien, that that is NOT a Chaos Sorcerer, that is a Tzeentchian CHampion. Only the champions/lords of Tzeentch get disks, not some random, non-specific-god affiliated sorcerer.

THe Sorcerers/Magi of Chaos and the Tzeentchian champions are two different things. Therefore, the Magus is indeed something new specifically for WAR.

Players are not rank and file of the Chaos army. They are an elite host of marauders, chosen, magus, and zealots chosen by Tzeentch. You are supposed to be important and destined to do great things.

[Gemini]

Recent interview with Paul, question about what classes are in game currently. He said Chaos Champion and Chaos Sorcorer, so Chosen and Magus, I assume. And yes, not all sorcs get a disc, but it's one of those things thats bent for lore.

[Malvos]

The problem is Alien, that that is NOT a Chaos Sorcerer, that is a Tzeentchian CHampion. Only the champions/lords of Tzeentch get disks, not some random, non-specific-god affiliated sorcerer.

THe Sorcerers/Magi of Chaos and the Tzeentchian champions are two different things. Therefore, the Magus is indeed something new specifically for WAR.

Thats not a toilet! Its a toilet with a red stripe! I call it a whimdizzle! Its brand new and double the cost! YAY!

Its an old thing that they made more epic for players to have fun with. Any class that went far enough was a champion of chaos.

[Krulltak]

Players are not rank and file of the Chaos army. They are an elite host of marauders, chosen, magus, and zealots chosen by Tzeentch. You are supposed to be important and destined to do great things.


If you have that much trouble listening, I will repeat it again.

The Champion, THE LORD, is the guy who leads the entire freakin' warband. We sure as hell won't be playing that guy. Since, you know, he's the top dog and NPC hero for your faction.

Also, he's the one who chose his Raven Host, not Tzeentch.;) Tzeentch has more important things to say.

[omnified_emu]

The problem is Alien, that that is NOT a Chaos Sorcerer, that is a Tzeentchian CHampion. Only the champions/lords of Tzeentch get disks, not some random, non-specific-god affiliated sorcerer.

THe Sorcerers/Magi of Chaos and the Tzeentchian champions are two different things. Therefore, the Magus is indeed something new specifically for WAR.

Actually no they are not different, a tzeentchian champion is still a sorcerer of of chaos, the reason that they get no choice for sorc in the the chaos army book is because tzeentchian champions are suppose to train in both extensively in both fighting and magic, and become all around bad asses, so it would be redudant to have
Mark of tzeentch(sorcerer lord): Give Base States of Chaos lord.
. The are still sorcerer of chaos just like every other caster for the the other gods, they just have to trained and to some extent be blessed more than the sorcerers of other gods. And that being said there are still tzeentch champions who are sorcerers and still crappy fighters and some lord class fighters that are only level 1 or 2 mages(hell there is even this one khorne champion who uses cunning and patience and sets amubushes) so the magnus is not something specifically for war, techincally it is the title given to a 3rd level wizard of chaos, that being said yes according to fluff most of these guys would also have the fighting ability of a chosen(well actually an asipiring champion lore wise), so it is not the magnus going against lore, but the magnus's fighting capibitlty that is going against lore(damn balancing the game>)

P.S. techincally the lower rank guys can get disc and some do, but you have to have great mental power in order to control the disks and they have a fondess for eating those who dont or let loose the control, but yes fluff wise we would not have all these guys going around on flying disc, but hey if it was fluff wise it really would much matter cause the entire game would be nothing but a bunch of archmages running around spamming world killing death to everyone and then that would not be fluff wise cause there would not be that many archmages.

[Adophnil]

If the concept of the magus really gets everyones Lore panties in a bunch, why not meander on down to the zealot forums and begin an extremely similiar crusade?

Or the problem with making a black orc and goblins balanced somehow?
Or the ten other "lore based balance" issues that could be pointed out.

As far as recognizing the validity of the arguement that in Lore, only a very select few get a disc, you guys are more than correct. Was the Magus class "created" for Mythic? I wouldn't say so. They simply took a lore concept, the chaos sorcerer, and changed it up slightly. They also added in an element, the disc, that they believed players would find attractive and that they could personalize the class with and otherwise add a lot of flavor.

If this game was "strictly" lore based, Chaos would have one class : Chosen. Orcs would have one class : Black Orc. How dull.

[Krulltak]

caster for the the other gods,

Khorne has no magic. At all. He kills, maims, and burns all magic users.



If this game was "strictly" lore based, Chaos would have one class : Chosen. Orcs would have one class : Black Orc. How dull.


That's not true in any way whatsoever. Greenskin armies and Chaos Hordes are not made up of nothing but Chosens and Blorcs.

[Rerisen]

I don't think each race would have only one class, but they sure as heck would have a hard time finding classes to make the 4 arch-types they want for each race in order to balance the game. I mean if Chaos and Dark Elves didn't even get a healer, they would be in some big trouble.

[omnified_emu]

Khorne has no magic. At all. He kills, maims, and burns all magic users.





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Yes i am way more than aware of the fact that khorne has no magic, and the statement you quoted does not imply that khorne has casters.

[Boulvae]

The closest thing to a caster for khorne (that he accepts) is the ones that summon stuff for him thats it. Even then their like a calmer version of a khorne warrior capable of summoning daemons.

[Krowen]

Thats not a toilet! Its a toilet with a red stripe! I call it a whimdizzle! Its brand new and double the cost! YAY!

Its an old thing that they made more epic for players to have fun with. Any class that went far enough was a champion of chaos.

QFT. Krulltak is just like Thoden... The magus isnt new, sorcerers that use the rainbow fire have been around, the only thing they added is the disc which only lords of tzeentch are suppose to have.

[Tyron]

Khorne has no magic. At all. He kills, maims, and burns all magic users.






That's not true in any way whatsoever. Greenskin armies and Chaos Hordes are not made up of nothing but Chosens and Blorcs.



i think the point is that there would b nothing that could b considered as balanced 2 the black orcs or chaos chosen

[Zythyl]

Just curious, is the Magus a classic class from Warhammer lore or created specifically for Mythic and Warhammer Online? I read the Zealot is not a classic warhammer class.

I'm only familiar with the Dark Elf classes from lore.

The Chaos Magus is implied to be an amalgamation of roles from the traditional Warhammer Fantasy TT game. The most evident role encourages you, as the MMO player, to adopt a career very similar to that of the Champion Of Tzeentch - a disk riding sorcerer reigning over his minions on the battlefield. Another role adopted is that o the typical Chaos Sorcerer - moreso inclined towards the favour of Tzeentch however.

Mythic has concluded that the Chaos Magus is therefore a product of many other models and roles belonging to the Warhammer franchise.

[Demothios]

Well, in Liber Chaotica a magus is the head of a coven of chaos worshippers, who is able to use powers learned through worship. But they don't really have much to do with these sorts of magus.

[Malal]

Well i was disappointed when the unveiled the 'magus' i was hoping for a more TT Chaos sorcerer (http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/miniature-gallery/16/)....imo YES the magus is made for WAR but as somone said above its an amalgamstion of current TT/WFRP/ lore...and balanced for an mmo. lol i suppose its the 'balance' part im annoyed with :D

[Lesane]

Well i was disappointed when the unveiled the 'magus' i was hoping for a more TT Chaos sorcerer (http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/miniature-gallery/16/)....imo YES the magus is made for WAR but as somone said above its an amalgamstion of current TT/WFRP/ lore...and balanced for an mmo. lol i suppose its the 'balance' part im annoyed with :D

QFT! they look so awesome! definitely the coolest model there is (except for the tzeentch lord ofc :P)


but that link should clarify the HUGE difference there is between a leader unit (tzeentch lord) and the chaos sorceror. Only the lords have discs.


lore bending for WAR specifically!

thanks for the link :p love that look! :D


edit: let it be known I still love the disc, lore or not feeling like a lord in an MMO = win!

[Foofmonger]

I agree with Krull personally.

The magus is new for WAR. Its the combination of a Chaos Sorc, and a Tzeentch Champion into an all new (albeit much less powerful then a champion) class.

[Lesane]

I agree with Krull personally.

The magus is new for WAR. Its the combination of a Chaos Sorc, and a Tzeentch Champion into an all new (albeit much less powerful then a champion) class.
not even tzeentch champions have discs iirc :O only Lords aka the sick lord units.

from the TT models:
sorceror = on his feet;
tzeentch champion = on his feet;
Lord of Tzeentch = on disk.

[Rerisen]

In the tabletop edition I remember, I'm pretty sure any rank Tzeentch Sorcerer could purchase a disc as a mount. I know Hero and Lords both could for sure.

Here is some of the older metal Tzeentch champions and some discs.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat912/c20261rctzdiscs-h.htm

[Boulvae]

Neither the Shaman or the Magus was made up out of the blue, there obviously at some point lore to support them, or is but they changed it up a bit to make them.

Zealots are taken from a piece of lore that mentions people like them (but not as Zealots, i think tribe shamsn or something). Magus is I geuss you could say Sorcerers that are good with magic, has a disk, and impressed the leader of the Raven Host.

[Malifact]

The lore has to be bent to justify Lvl1 fledgeling Magi on discs.

It doesn't particularly bother me, but I do acknowledge that it doesn't strictly adhere to the lore.

[Gemini]

The lore has to be bent to justify Lvl1 fledgeling Magi on discs.

It doesn't particularly bother me, but I do acknowledge that it doesn't strictly adhere to the lore.

Well, level 1 in game terms is not a wet-behind-the-ears recruit, we are still part of an elite fighting force for our faction. The Raven Host, The Bloody Sun Boyz, ect ect.

[Malifact]

Well, level 1 in game terms is not a wet-behind-the-ears recruit, we are still part of an elite fighting force for our faction. The Raven Host, The Bloody Sun Boyz, ect ect.

That being said, Lvl1 toons are not esteemed enough to have been granted with a Disc either. Like it's been mentioned, the Discs are granted to the crème de la crème, the elite of the elite. Only the guys who have gotten themselves so much favour with Tzeentch have 'em.

Also, if you've been granted with a Disc, where's all your other blessings? Your armour? Your potent magical abilities? A lvl1 toon simply doesn't match the criteria to have a Disc.

But what the hell, it's all the name of fun.

[Rerisen]

Maybe in the beginning it shouldn't be looked at as the Magus has a disc, but instead that a disc, has a Magus. ;)

[Malifact]

Maybe in the beginning it shouldn't be looked at as the Magus has a disc, but instead that a disc, has a Magus. ;)

That's actually not a bad way of thinking. :mrgreen: