Can I use a rifle instead of a pistol?

[MageLite]

What the title says. I don't want to use a titchy pistol, I want to blow chaos brainmatter all over the nearest wall from a safe distance :p I wouldn't mind using the free off-hand to weild a burning torch while the other hand holds a rapier, either.

So is the pistol necessary?

[Sagesse|Emil]

Being that it is iconic of the witch hunter...

[Krulltak]

It's a possibility, but no one but Mythic knows yet.

I personally don't see them, seeing as how they are built for speed, using big heavy crossbows or rifles.

But I would love to get my hands on a Hochland!:p

[MageLite]

But I would love to get my hands on a Hochland!:p

Agreed. ;)

I'm asking this more because the WH is the only Empire class so far shown to use firearms, and it would be a pity if the bigger boomsticks of the empire weren't usable :p

[Ojike]

there are 4 classes per race. so you probably won't see a big gun for Witch Hunters, they are melee characters not range.

[Krulltak]

there are 4 archtypes per race. so you probably won't see a big gun for Witch Hunters, they are melee characters not range.


If you didn't notice, the Witch Hunters already have pistols, which are ranged. Incredibly short ranged but still ranged.

[Ojike]

yes, that is true but the Witch Hunters still count as melee, not range. That is the Bright Wizards role. :P

[MageLite]

yes, that is true but the Witch Hunters still count as melee, not range. That is the Bright Wizards role. :P

But Bright wizards don't use guns, they use ruddy great big fireballs :p

Even if a WH could use a rifle, it would probably only be used a bit before getting into melee range, or as part of an execution move.

[CHOP]

yea WH have moves that require a pistol so unless you wont want to kill at full potential the go for it or you could just be an engineer.

[heavyhebrew]

Pistols: Finisher or Opener?:p

[Gemini]

I dunno, some of these "pistols" looked bigger than a desert eagle, so that's good enough for me. Granted, I'll be the one being shot at... but I'm betting the pistols will pack plenty of punch.

Oh, and as a side note, they would probably be muskets, I doubt the Empire has mastered rifling yet... <.< >.>

[Vikingkingq]

Actually, the Hochland long rifle is by definition a rifled musket.

Firearm technology in the Empire is an odd mix: most of it is relatively old-fashioned, lots of smooth bore muskets, matchlocks/wheel-locks/flintlocks, loose powder and ball, etc. However, because of the advent of the Imperial College of Engineers you do have rifles, repeating pistols, grenade launchers, and other wacky stuff. It's a lot harder to get your hands on and is rather...temperamental in reliability, but it's there.

[BurninElf]

It would be pretty badass to see a double shotgun/pistol on WH :)

[Ningiliath]

The rapier and pistol are the most "Iconic" weapons in a witch hunters arsenal, they are train in the use of FAR more than just the rapier and pistol.

From the Handbook of the Holy Order of the Templars of Sigmar.

"The first stage of a apprentice's martial training concerns each of the styles of swordplay employed by the order. The dagger, the cutlass, the long sword, the sword, the two-handed and the foil are all covered over several months' intense study.

.....As part of their training, an apprentice will also study the use of long guns, such as the blunderbuss. "

Also it should be mentioned that they also train with the following:

Warhounds ( large, vicious hounds).
Poisons.
Rondel ( small flat knife, useful in finding gaps in armour).
Poniard ( a slender-bladed knife).
Maul ( a long-handled hammer).
Gudendag ( a hammer to which spikes have been added).

As well as many other hidden weapons like the Gravity Bow and The "pricking' knife.

[wis]

Pistols: Finisher or Opener?:p

Opener. Such pistols are for openers when you rush at the enemy, then fire them and draw your sword to do melee.

[Laggard]

I would much rather blast a greenskin in the face the slice him up with my rapier of death rather than hide behind a rock and shoot from like 100 yards away. Even if it IS an option im going to go Pistol Melee combo.

[Elge]

I would much rather blast a greenskin in the face the slice him up with my rapier of death rather than hide behind a rock and shoot from like 100 yards away. Even if it IS an option im going to go Pistol Melee combo.

QFT. Close-quarters combat for the win. Played a Hunter in WoW for 2 years. Tired of standing in the back row. Throw me up face-to-face with any Chaos and let me loose.

[John_Skellan]

Witchhunters are supposed to be almost pure melee dps, so I would say no. They have pistols and rapiers, which from a TT perspective, is better in CC than a rifle. No, because it would be considered spinless and dipping to the level of Chaos by killing a foe from the distance silently. They would rather be able to kill them in hth and prove their superiority than instead have said they killed a bunch from a long ways away. Witch Hunters can be sneaky, but not that sneaky.

[Vikingkingq]

Um, no. Witch Hunters do not get ethical about killing Chaos; they're extreme utilitarians. The reason they don't use rifles much (although they do train in their use) is that Witch Hunters often have to operate in places with restricted space (sewers, skaven tunnels, narrow alleyways, etc.) that make rifles impractical. In addition, there's the issue of concealment - Witch Hunters rely on the element of surprise, and it's a lot easier to surprise someone by whipping a pistol out from under your cloak than a rifle on your shoulder.

[Riggs]

mmm... Seeing as how Witch Hunters are supposed to be agile quick strikers. Stabbing someone, jumping back and pulling out a rifle and loading/firing it just doesnt seem plausible. I'd like to see a wrist/one handed crossbow myself. Could see a small blunderbuss working too.

[Thoden Firehammer]

QFT. Close-quarters combat for the win. Played a Hunter in WoW for 2 years. Tired of standing in the back row. Throw me up face-to-face with any Chaos and let me loose.


I played a hunter as well, Marks spec.

And I ironicly found myself pretty close to my enemies, and the ironny is my fighting worked

[ThePurifiedone]

i wanna see a flame throwing pistol.;)

[Loekii]

It's a possibility, but no one but Mythic knows yet.

I personally don't see them, seeing as how they are built for speed, using big heavy crossbows or rifles.

But I would love to get my hands on a Hochland!:p

In the GW book 'Tales of the Old World', I believe the WitchHunter used a crossbow -- later switching to the pistol of a fallen comrad.

Not sure how that would affect Mythic's decision, but atleast it might serve as an example from the WH fiction.

[kamigorosh]

Opener. Such pistols are for openers when you rush at the enemy, then fire them and draw your sword to do melee.

it can also be a finisher, idk maybe run up and thrust your rapier towards the enamy knocking him off balance and falling to the ground and then whipping out your pistol and send a finishing shot to the head?

[Nofan]

it can also be a finisher, idk maybe run up and thrust your rapier towards the enamy knocking him off balance and falling to the ground and then whipping out your pistol and send a finishing shot to the head?


I think an opener and a closer. Charge in with a boom then whip out your stilleto and slash and stab a bit, then send one massive bullet into the side of their brain.

[Elge]

I played a hunter as well, Marks spec.

And I ironicly found myself pretty close to my enemies, and the ironny is my fighting worked

I played Marks most of my Hunter career as well. I switched to Beast Master at end game and my DPS jumped in raids, regretfully.

Blizzard had no love for Marks-spec.

[Graven]

I'm pretty excited about the playstyle of a witchhunter. I've never played a melee/short ranged class in an mmo before, so it sounds pretty nice. On topic though, I think that first, pistols can be used not only as a finisher/opener, but for target changing, e.g. you fight a choppa, open with a shot, go in, stab a bit with the rapier, notice a nearby shaman trying to heal, either the choppa or someone else, quickly change targets, take a shot, and return to the choppa.

And just because of the short-range/melee thing, I don't see a witchhunter using rifles. Maybe a smaller blunderbuss or something. Hand-held crossbows would be nice sometimes too.

[Vankador]

What the title says. I don't want to use a titchy pistol, I want to blow chaos brainmatter all over the nearest wall from a safe distance :p I wouldn't mind using the free off-hand to weild a burning torch while the other hand holds a rapier, either.

So is the pistol necessary?


Looks like the class you want to go is Engineer. They deal with rifles and blowing stuff up including chaos brain matter.

[Thoden Firehammer]

I played Marks most of my Hunter career as well. I switched to Beast Master at end game and my DPS jumped in raids, regretfully.

Blizzard had no love for Marks-spec.


Agreed, but that's why I stuck with it.

And ironicly I won most if not all my fights. :cool:

[WarMachine]

Agreed, but that's why I stuck with it.

And ironicly I won most if not all my fights. :cool:
My Marks Spec hunter was my favorite charater. I though they handled pretty well, but I kept getting the "You should be beast spec" comments. I just had way too much fun being a Marks Spec.

[Thoden Firehammer]

My Marks Spec hunter was my favorite charater. I though they handled pretty well, but I kept getting the "You should be beast spec" comments. I just had way too much fun being a Marks Spec.


Right...personaly I never came accorst a balance problem untill I tried the caster classes out, but as for hunter I liked the fact that I knew where mostly everyone was, with the exception of rogues and druids...

[Elge]

Right...personaly I never came accorst a balance problem untill I tried the caster classes out, but as for hunter I liked the fact that I knew where mostly everyone was, with the exception of rogues and druids...

If you know how to play the class, the spec shouldn't matter TOO much (unless it was Survival. But don't get me started in an argument about Survival specs for raiding. That was a big annoyance for me).

I did more burst damage with Marks, and more sustained damage with BM. The overall dps was slightly higher with BM, but it always comes down to preference. The biggest problem with Hunters was that after level 60, they scaled for crap. Crit% went down the hill, among other stats. When I hit 70 is, oddly enough, when the fun started to die out. Raiding was cool, when we downed new bosses; it was definitely exhilarating. But if I get no respect from my guild, or from Blizzard, based on my class's disadvantages, then why keep playing? Granted myself, and another friend of mine who was a Hunter, were generally within the top 5 DPS on Gruul and Mag, so naysayers can shove it. ;D

[Baradun]

If you know how to play the class, the spec shouldn't matter TOO much (unless it was Survival. But don't get me started in an argument about Survival specs for raiding. That was a big annoyance for me).


The great thing about WAR is your not stuck in any one spec, you can swap out at a moments notice with zero cost and zero cooldown, only limitation is you cant swap during combat, big deal! yer too bussy killin tah be worryin about how yer swingin yer hammer while in combat anyways.

Pistols: Finisher or Opener?:p

How about both? with a little gun toatin' inbetween for good measure ;)

[Loekii]

WanderingGoblin posted a WE picture that shows something other than a pistol:

Witch Hunter (http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/EditorImages/E4All71.jpg)

[Bergelmir]

Might aswell be something like this http://imperialarms.home.att.net/Images/Lugers/LugerCarbine.jpg as we cant see how long it is. Personally I hope that there wont be any rifles for Witchhunters.

[Vikingkingq]

WanderingGoblin posted a WE picture that shows something other than a pistol:

Witch Hunter (http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/EditorImages/E4All71.jpg)

That looks awfully like the huge hand-guns we've seen on male models before.
Moreover, looks like some clipping problems going on with the gun and the hand.

However, the look of the coat, the hat, the boots - much improved from initial
screenshots. The sash and buckles on the chest look much better especially,
where the original version looked too 2D.

Thanks for posting that image.

[Goldenheart]

WanderingGoblin posted a WE picture that shows something other than a pistol:

Witch Hunter (http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/EditorImages/E4All71.jpg)
lol looks like a fish gun.

[Elge]

WanderingGoblin posted a WE picture that shows something other than a pistol:

Witch Hunter (http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/EditorImages/E4All71.jpg)

Whatever kind of firearm it is, it can apparently float.