...hate you guys!

[Nurgling]

I hated stunties on the table top game. Hated dwarves in D&D. Hated dwarves in every fantasy mmo I've ever played.

Yet I'm soooo digging the engineer that I've been reading about and seeing snippets of in vids. EGADS! No....can't...leave...greenskins!

[Thorval]

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[Eldrik]

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QFT

Just play engineer if you like them loads! No one is stopping you, the orc and dwarf numbers will be pretty balanced at launch anyway while peeps are testing the classes

[Thoden Firehammer]

I hated stunties on the table top game. Hated dwarves in D&D. Hated dwarves in every fantasy mmo I've ever played.

Yet I'm soooo digging the engineer that I've been reading about and seeing snippets of in vids. EGADS! No....can't...leave...greenskins!


I really don't understand the people who "hate" Dwarfves, I mean come on they're the coolest fantasy race ever!!

[Ojike]

I really don't understand the people who "hate" Dwarfves, I mean come on they're the coolest fantasy race ever!!


No? They are cool but not the coolest. Skaven or Lizardmen are the coolest. :)

[Krulltak]

I'll tell you what.

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

DnD. I just plain don't like DnD and anything from it.

Warhammer's Dawi however, are a masterpiece. Beautifully done. Not a single creature, realm or faction in Warhammer is done badly, and everyone has thier fair share of awesomeness.

[Thoden Firehammer]

No? They are cool but not the coolest. Skaven or Lizardmen are the coolest. :) Personaly I like thoes races, but Dwarfs are still the best.


I'll tell you what.

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

DnD. I just plain don't like DnD and anything from it.

Warhammer's Dawi however, are a masterpiece. Beautifully done. Not a single creature, realm or faction in Warhammer is done badly, and everyone has thier fair share of awesomeness.


Agreed, I never liked Tolkens description on Dwarfs, even though i've alway liked Dwarfs, and it was Tolken's work that brought me to Dwarfs, he still tried his best to make that race look horrible, and make the Elves look like gods. I guess you just can't beat the Dwarfs awsomeness XD

I never really payed attention to DnD, and now Warhammer, that is something I liked, I mean comeone, this is probably the best interpritation of Dwarfs, ever seen, it's no longer the outsider looking in at Dwarfen society, they it to where the Dwarfs have a fully functional society lore wise, that we know about.

[Adamare_Von_Libervitz]

he still tried his best to make that race look horrible

If it t'weren't for Tolkiens 'horrible' ideas about Dwarfs then most current fantasy settings would not have Dwarfs the way they are now. Dwarfs in LOTR were just as good as any other Dwarfs imho.

EDIT:

Mines being overran by Goblins and Dragons...Dwarfs attempting to re-take their lands but failing most of the time....sound familiar?

[Thoden Firehammer]

If it t'weren't for Tolkiens 'horrible' ideas about Dwarfs then most current fantasy settings would not have Dwarfs the way they are now. Dwarfs in LOTR were just as good as any other Dwarfs imho.

EDIT:

Mines being overran by Goblins and Dragons...Dwarfs attempting to re-take their lands but failing most of the time....sound familiar?


Actualy Tolken didn't make the Dwarfs, the Dwarfs have been in folklore and other stories before he wrote his book...

Think of it like WoW, to other newer MMO's, people thing WoW was THE MMO, that's how it was for Tolkens book.

... Yeah I just lost my train of thought, so i'll stop it here...

[Fusko]

I'll tell you what.

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

DnD. I just plain don't like DnD and anything from it.

Warhammer's Dawi however, are a masterpiece. Beautifully done. Not a single creature, realm or faction in Warhammer is done badly, and everyone has thier fair share of awesomeness.

By jove he's got a point! Except Dark Elves... they're lame.

[mcgoo721]

yeah, WAR pokes some fun at them a lil bit though. i found it pretty funny though, reading the descriptions of them in general and then their classes pages in the armies of WAR page on their site.

i didnt like them very much before, played a few games though as them and now love 'em. right now im thinking either witch hunter or runepriest, runepriest's biggest draw is that it is dwarf for me haha

[Nezumiiro Kitsune]

Tolkien was a true master in story telling, and he didn't dislike Dwarves, if you read the entire Middle-Earthen history (which isn't entirely advisable as it even rivals Warhammer in areas with shear size) you'll see there are reasons there are few Dwarves in the movies, and why the Elves are so prominent and displayed as power houses. There was much unwritten, as he wasn't planning on dying from a chest infection and what not, he got very ill. I assume there was more in the works of his mind unwritten, but briefly the Dwarves are given great honor and prestige, winning many wars against numbers that far surpass there own. I think I've said once before Dwarves also had only a few of there holds in the south west, where LotR is set, and reside much more strongly in the East and North west, were there are more mountain ranges. They might have once considered Mordor, but taking into account recent events at the end of the 3rd age, it turned out not to be such a great idea.

I'll admit Warhammer portray Dwarfs better on the whole. Tolkien was a single man, Warhammer has had massive contributions from every direction, so he could only do so much with him and his close friends, one of which was C.S Lewis who was busy with his Narnia books and stuff.

BACK TO THE POINT AT HAND! Play an Engineer they pwn :P

[Krulgar Neckripper]

I'll tell you what.

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

DnD. I just plain don't like DnD and anything from it.

Warhammer's Dawi however, are a masterpiece. Beautifully done. Not a single creature, realm or faction in Warhammer is done badly, and everyone has thier fair share of awesomeness.

Dude, stop hating everything! :P D&D (Forgotton Realms Campaign) has produced some of the best RPGs ever and well the books are meh, wont get into a Drizzt suxxor debate.

[Krulltak]

Dude, stop hating everything! :P D&D (Forgotton Realms Campaign) has produced some of the best RPGs ever and well the books are meh, wont get into a Drizzt suxxor debate.


Your opinion.

I will never like DnD.

[Krulgar Neckripper]

Your opinion.

I will never like DnD.

Meh fine. But does that mean your saying Baldur's Gate ISENT a good series? :O :P

[Krulltak]

Meh fine. But does that mean your saying Baldur's Gate ISENT a good series? :O :P


In terms of gameplay, yes.

In terms of lore, no. I DON'T LIKE THE DND STORYLINE.

[Krulgar Neckripper]

In terms of gameplay, yes.

In terms of lore, no. I DON'T LIKE THE DND STORYLINE.


Dude....that's just wrong :P

[Krulltak]

Dude....that's just wrong :P

So is smoking but you don't see me pestering you about it....

[Purgling]

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

Not that I need to stick up for old J.R.R. His legacy is secure. But you're obviously too young to realize that there was NO fantasy to speak of before LOTR came out. There was plenty of Sci-Fi but LOTR basically opened up the doors for fantasy that came later. He might not have invented dwarfs any more than he invented dragons. But fantasy literature and games as we know them today sprang from the characters that he created. So show a little respect youngin' you could be playing Buck Rogers instead of WAR!

[Krulgar Neckripper]

So is smoking but you don't see me pestering you about it....

Lol, very true.

[Nezumiiro Kitsune]

I have a real noobs insight in D&D lore, having NEVER had anything to do with it. The rule books alone and lore books being even steeper in hard wrought gold than Warhammer stuff. Mind I'll be playing D&D tactics for PSP. Seems like a good strategy game.

[Krulltak]

Not that I need to stick up for old J.R.R. His legacy is secure. But you're obviously too young to realize that there was NO fantasy to speak of before LOTR came out. There was plenty of Sci-Fi but LOTR basically opened up the doors for fantasy that came later. He might not have invented dwarfs any more than he invented dragons. But fantasy literature and games as we know them today sprang from the characters that he created. So show a little respect youngin' you could be playing Buck Rogers instead of WAR!


I am QUITE AWARE OF THIS, thank you. And I do realize that without Tolkien we wouldn't have had any other modern fantasy setting.

[Garathos]

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It Caturday nowz?

[Thorval]

It Caturday nowz?

evry day iz caturdayz dis week :P

[Garathos]

evry day iz caturdayz dis week :P
catsaucesom

[heavyhebrew]

If you could pinpoint the exact person to bring the Dark Elves into existence for Games Workshop and then you went to their house; I am sure you would find a closet full of whips and leather masks.:)

By jove he's got a point! Except Dark Elves... they're lame.

I was a huge DnD fanatic from the 70's on into the early 80's until that fateful day at the game store.....in all it's gloriousness. Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying Game. And I and my friends in Seattle never looked back.

Tolkien did a fair job for dwarfs. DnD did a fair job for dwarfs. But Warhammer put them up into the spotlight and made the Dawi shine!
Same goes for Orcs as well. Or as we called them in DnD, slaughter fodder.

[Krulltak]

Same goes for Orcs as well. Or as we called them in DnD, slaughter fodder

One of the many reasons I despise DnD.

[Adamare_Von_Libervitz]

Actualy Tolken didn't make the Dwarfs, the Dwarfs have been in folklore and other stories before he wrote his book...

Think of it like WoW, to other newer MMO's, people thing WoW was THE MMO, that's how it was for Tolkens book.

... Yeah I just lost my train of thought, so i'll stop it here...

Just because, as a lore-nut, I feel the need to defend myself I decided to say this.

I never said he did create the Dwarfs, I am well aware that they were created in Germanic/other mythology, so please read my posts very carefully next time you do so Thoden ;)

[Thoden Firehammer]

Just because, as a lore-nut, I feel the need to defend myself I decided to say this.

I never said he did create the Dwarfs, I am well aware that they were created in Germanic/other mythology, so please read my posts very carefully next time you do so Thoden ;)


Ahh but it was the way you worded it ...thanks for being technical, now I want to cry. T-T

[Fusko]

One of the many reasons I despise DnD.

Krulltak... Krulgar... THEY'RE LIKE TWINS!

[Krulgar Neckripper]

Krulltak... Krulgar... THEY'RE LIKE TWINS!

Oh god no! He's from Cuba, I'm English. :P

[shotgunbadger]

Honestly I felt the same about Dwarves in my past, I mean they're great comic value, the drinking axe swinging midgets, but I never thought of playing one untill WAR and I actually read up on Warhammer Dwarfen Lore. I love my Greenskins, but I'll definatly make an Engineer or Hammerer (or both) on another server.

[Fusko]

Honestly I felt the same about Dwarves in my past, I mean they're great comic value, the drinking axe swinging midgets, but I never thought of playing one untill WAR and I actually read up on Warhammer Dwarfen Lore. I love my Greenskins, but I'll definatly make an Engineer or Hammerer (or both) on another server.

Yeah, right now I'm so torn in between Greenskins and Dwarfs. They're just so cool... :-(

[Unstoppable]

Well in WoW not many people play Dwarfs or Gnomes as much as Humans and Night Elves. However I think they are my favorite race (Dwarfs). I don't know why people dont play them as much. Oh well their loss =P.

[Federline]

Not that I need to stick up for old J.R.R. His legacy is secure. But you're obviously too young to realize that there was NO fantasy to speak of before LOTR came out.
Quoted for truth! Tolkien might not have invented many things but if it wasn't for him making it popular and thus marketable in our days these youngsters would be hooked on Mario Brothers 27 at this moment. Don't bite the hand that fed you, feeds you and will probably continue to feed your kids of so much entertainment in the years to come. :cool:

[Elge]

Quoted for truth! Tolkien might not have invented many things but if it wasn't for him making it popular and thus marketable in our days these youngsters would be hooked on Mario Brothers 27 at this moment. Don't bite the hand that fed you, feeds you and will probably continue to feed your kids of so much entertainment in the years to come. :cool:

There's a reason why the Mario series is the most popular and best-selling video game franchise in the world.

Mario > Tolkien.

[Snorri]

I can understand that Tolkein's work was important to the modern fantasy genre, and still not like him.

I'll bite that hand all I like. I'll gnaw it to the bone and spit out the sludgy remains if I feel inclined to do so. :p I didn't like his ridiculing portrayal of dwarfs in comparison to his pointy-earred gods.

Its relative to opinion.
Personally I've never been a LOTR fan, book or film.

[Krulltak]

I can understand that Tolkein's work was important to the modern fantasy genre, and still not like him.

I'll bite that hand all I like. I'll gnaw it to the bone and spit out the sludgy remains if I feel inclined to do so. :p I didn't like his ridiculing portrayal of dwarfs in comparison to his pointy-earred gods.

Its relative to opinion.
Personally I've never been a LOTR fan, book or film.

Quoted for Snorriness, also known as the truth.

[Steve]

Lol thats pretty funny because I'm most likely going ironbreaker. I wanna be a part of the greenskinz but all my friends are playing order.

[Mikil]

You can be honest, your not going Greenskin because your afraid of all o' our hammers!
I enjoyed RA Salvators Books, not too familiar with the the larger portion of material, though.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Lol thats pretty funny because I'm most likely going ironbreaker. I wanna be a part of the greenskinz but all my friends are playing order.


Well think of it this way, if you go order, and maybe an RP server, than you'll be playing with Thoden!!

/Thoden flex8-)

[Lord Tareq]

Well think of it this way, if you go order, and maybe an RP server, than you'll be playing with Thoden!!

/Thoden flex8-)

But if he goes destruction its even better, he'll be killing Thoden :mrgreen:

[Beardling]

Tolkien's dwarfs were interesting. They were a great step forward from the dwarfs of germanic legends (made from primordial maggots!) who were so underhanded and sneaky that they border on evil. With that said though he did make them pale in comparison with the god-like elves, but then again everything did. And because I have only read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series, I don't know much else besides for the dwarven company in the Hobbit and Gimli.

And DnD is somewhat shameful. The dwarfs there feel so...generic. They are not bad, but they are not that good either. And as for Baldur's Gate...I tried playing one in the Baldur's Gate Series, but there was just no way possible. But Korgan Bloodaxe, while evil, is a great representation of a dwarf. Some of his quotes are so memorable!

Korgan Bloodaxe

* Ye know, bag of tricks: ye and I are nay so different. Ye fetch awe with eye of newt and tongue of salamander, I with battle-axe and blood-lust.
* Be aware, Mazzy, I've something long, hard and low to the ground ye're free to touch and fondle. Child, no need to glare! 'Twas me axe I were referring to.
* Aye, now this be more like it! The first t' disobey me orders, gets an axe in their skull.
* Let's see what yer guts be lookin' like!
* [to Aerie] If I wanted to listen to yer yip, ye prissy elf, I’d pull ye over my knee and smack yer bottom. At least then I’d have meself something interesting to do while ye blathered on.
* Aye! Great! BLASTED BLOODY WONDERFUL! Aye, let's go take on bloody TROLLS to get this man's gong back... and for NO REWARD, mind ye! I've a mind to go back to yon tavern and kick his BLOODY ARSE!
* Well, that's one fine mess that I done cleaned up. They did the killin', but I ends up with the gold, the book, and the satisfaction of kickin' their tails. Aah, a good day...
* [grumbling] ...bloody forest... damn tree-huggers and daisy-eaters... burn 'em all...
* Aerie! Aerie! Cease yer whining! I'd swear on me father's coal cart ye were one o' them fey elves, with all the blasted crying coming from ye.
* [grumbling] ...and they think to call this civilization! Blasted bloody humans...
* [upon arriving in the underworld in ToB] Dang and bloody blast it! I swear I be thrice-damned the way ye yank me about from one place to the bloody next 'ere since we met! What does ye want now?

edit: more quotes!

Jan: Korgy old pal, have I ever told you how much you remind me of my uncle, Uriah Twin-Hammers?
Korgan: Watch yer step, gnome. If ye make me angry, I’ll bury the head of me axe so far up yer backside yer breath will smell like magic metal!
Jan: That’s exactly the kind of thing Twin-Hammers would say. He was a ruthless, savage, bloodthirsty outlaw who would kill anyone or anything that got in his way. He used to repeatedly terrorize a certain gnomish village he frequently wandered through in his neverending quest for profit and bloodshed.
Korgan: A man after me own black heart! Carry on, gnome ... ye got me blood stirrin’!
Jan: Of course, all good things come to an end. Fed up with Uriah’s antics, the village hired a hero to protect them and enforce the law - the legendary Clint Hackman (so named for his habit of chopping his foes to little bits). With the townsfolk peering from their windows the outlaw and the famous lawman stared each other down in the center of the dusty, deserted street. Cold as ice, Uriah said: ‘I’ve killed women and children. I’ve killed everything that walks or crawls on this earth. And now I’m here to kill you.’ Alas, Uriah met his end on that street. With his first blow he broke his hammer on Hackman’s shield, and that was it. Weaponless, he wasn’t much of a match for the mighty Clint. If my uncle had only been named Two-Hammer because he carried two weapons he still might be alive today. But Uriah got his nickname for the mighty hammer he carried in his belt and the even mightier ... uh, ‘hammer’ he had *beneath* his belt, if you get my drift. A fine instrument to have, but not much good in a fight.
Korgan: HAR! HAR! HAR! ‘Tis a good thing ye know yer audience, gnome ... me axe stays in me belt.

Viconia: Korgan, I'm interested in whether your clan has ever had interaction with House DeVir? It seems to me, if memory serves, that our sphere of influence was quite close to your Bloodaxe clan's stronghold near Talthalra Wern'nt Szithla Har'oloth.
Korgan: Nay speak that vile tongue to me, blackskin. If it moves I've killed it, but if it be drow, I've tortured it fer days, first. As fer that house of yers, I burned it and relieved meself on the embers and the dead. And the necklace of darkelf ears fetched me a king's ransom in Waterdeep.

Yoshimo: Friend Korgan, you are truly a paragon of dwarven ill-humor. Can you find no joy in being alive? The smell of the morning dew and the feel of the free air?
Korgan: Aye, I find pleasure in the feel of an inquisitive thief's neck-bone breakin' between me hands.
Yoshimo: They could write a book about you. 'Irritable Dwarven Responses', they'd call it. It would be a best-seller amongst the smelly-old-drunk market. What say you?
Korgan: Mayhap ye should, only 'Pleasures of the Dwarven Bed-Chamber' be a more pleasing and accurate subject.
Yoshimo: Ho! Is it, now? How about 'The Unbathed Adventurer: Travels with Korgan'?
Korgan: Worry not, thief. There's naught wrong with yer idea that a sharp blow to yer idiot skull wouldn't fix. Here is yer title and argue with me gauntlet if ye dare: 'Tall-Folk Scourge: Yoshimo Beware!'. Now shut yer mouth and get to writing.

[Lord Tareq]

Wow that brings back memories. I recall eventually even getting a love relation with Aerie (ingame you perverts), after turning down Viconia. The 2 of them actually continually bickered amongst eachother over me, was pretty cool, and eventually I got to pick between them :cool:

Korgan was an awesome character, except for not having a beard and being a monk...I mean wtf, a beardless dwarven monk what lunatic thinks of that.:rolleyes:

[Beardling]

Korgan had a beard, he was a dwarven berserker and he was in the Baldur's Gate series. You are thinking about the dwarven monk from NWN.

[Ningiliath]

I am seeing a lot of statements on here about Tolkien Painting the dwarves very poorly and the elves as goodly and that is simply not true.

If you want to know more about the subject and history in middle earth than read the Silmarillion. Frequently the elves are shown to be arrogant, pompous, and the Noldor particularly as invaders. The elves, save a very few, looked down on most forms of life that they view as lesser.

In one of the greatest battles of the First age it is the Dwarves of the kingdom of Belegost that were the last of all the eastern forces to stand firm.

" And but for them Glaurung and his brood of dragons would have withered all that was left of the Noldor elves."- Of The Fifth Battle

As for the animosity between the dwarves and the elves, its due to the greed of ONE house of dwarves ( of which they can't really be blamed for the Silmarils fill all with a lust to poses them) and the arrogance of the elven king. And from the it all got out of hand.

Tolkiens dwarves were, strong and enduring, next to imposable to corrupt, deadly in anger and never giving up old hatreds, Honorable and brave. They were also very set in their ways, traditionalists if you will.

They were NOT used as a source of comedy. that aspect of it you can blame on Peter Jackson and the movies that utterly butchered the dwarves.

I could go on but i think my point is clear.

[Lord Tareq]

Korgan had a beard, he was a dwarven berserker and he was in the Baldur's Gate series. You are thinking about the dwarven monk from NWN.

Ah your right, mixing up games ;)

[Vaeronthar]

Well think of it this way, if you go order, and maybe an RP server, than you'll be playing with Thoden!!

/Thoden flex8-)Sure as hell what I'm doing.

Oh, and fer the record, the DnD dwarf is a collection of stats. They're meant to be generic. It's up to the DM and whoever writes the setting to make them interesting. Same with DnD elves. Of course, most settings fail in that respect. But any group could alter it to their tastes.

[Miknow]

I'll tell you what.

Tolkien F'ed up Dwarfs, by spelling thier plural incorrectly and just making them plain stupid, alongside his god-like elve.s

DnD. I just plain don't like DnD and anything from it.

Warhammer's Dawi however, are a masterpiece. Beautifully done. Not a single creature, realm or faction in Warhammer is done badly, and everyone has thier fair share of awesomeness.


... How the hell do you f up a fantasy setting. Tolkien's dwarfs, are not WAR's dwarfs or vice versa. They are practically their own race.

And for Elves being godly... They were the first race created by the gods. Of course they would be godly. As I said for the dwarfs. Tolkien's Elves are not WAR's Elves. I don't think they can be compared really.