Bonus language!

[Garathos]

Ive read that warrior priests are favored of the dwarfs and that some allow them to learn their language. So does anyone else think that Warrior Priests should get a special quest at a higher level which allows them to learn the Dwarf language if it is implemented? I think they should because it would be interesting to be able to talk to Dwarfs in their own language and understand them while other Empire players cant!

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[Thoden Firehammer]

Ive read that warrior priests are favored of the dwarfs and that some allow them to learn their language. So does anyone else think that Warrior Priests should get a special quest at a higher level which allows them to learn the Dwarf language if it is implemented? I think they should because it would be interesting to be able to talk to Dwarfs in their own language and understand them while other Empire players cant!

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I really want to see your source, becuase in the Dwarf lore, Dwarfs NEVER speak their language infront of other races, now do they teach their langauge to the other races.

[Garathos]

I really want to see your source, becuase in the Dwarf lore, Dwarfs NEVER speak their language infront of other races, now do they teach their langauge to the other races.
I forgot where but ill look for it. And they only show it to warrior priests because they are followers of sigmar and sigmar saved their king or along those lines and its not like they show it to all warrior priests just ones that they respect and trust.

[Thoden Firehammer]

I forgot where but ill look for it. And they only show it to warrior priests because they are followers of sigmar and sigmar saved their king or along those lines and its not like they show it to all warrior priests just ones that they respect and trust.

But you still don't have your sources.

I'd believe you but i'm looking at the Dwarf lore here and it doesn't say anything about exceptions...

[Garathos]

http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9697
"Like all other priests of the Cult of Sigmar the Warrior Priests learn of proper respect for the Dwarfs, ancient allies of Sigmar and the Emperor and to whom much respect is given. It is even said that many Sigmarite Priests are even permitted to learn some of the secret language of the Dwarfs for those mountain folk trust few with the keys to their realm and culture."

Now to just find out where he got his information, and he seems very knowledgable on the Empre lore seeing as how he has about 4 or 5 other articles on their culture, religions, and characters.

Edit: Sorry for the first link, was goofing around another sites off topic forums a while ago and I didnt realize I missed the copy button.

[Thoden Firehammer]

http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9697
"Like all other priests of the Cult of Sigmar the Warrior Priests learn of proper respect for the Dwarfs, ancient allies of Sigmar and the Emperor and to whom much respect is given. It is even said that many Sigmarite Priests are even permitted to learn some of the secret language of the Dwarfs for those mountain folk trust few with the keys to their realm and culture."

Now to just find out where he got his information, and he seems very knowledgable on the Empre lore seeing as how he has about 4 or 5 other articles on their culture, religions, and characters.


Who?

and you realize it says "are even permitted to learn some of the secret language of the Dwarfs"

EDIT, ahh now there's a link, thanks i'll read it and reply in sec

Oh him, yes I like his articles, but I am still currious where he got his sources, becuase I would really like to read them, i'm a fan of the Empire myself

[heavyhebrew]

Felix learned the Dawi language. There is an Order within the Church that studies ancient texts written in the Dawi language.

I think he is correct that it can be learned in the table top RP game.
At least from a Lore perspective. But it is something that would be very exceptional and take a lot of study or exposure to dwarfs to bring about.

I highly doubt it will be allowed in the MMO. It would be an unnecessary smackdown on the Lore. I think that only Felix and the Order within the Church are the only examples I can remember. That probably totals about two dozen people. As opposed to eventually having a few hundred on every server learning it.
The only thing the Dawi draw the line (and draw it terminally they do) is the studty of the Runes. You do not want to be a Rune Master. Unless dying violently is your thing.:D

What would be better for a Warrior Priest is to have a TOK title from helping defend the Dawi Capitol. Friend of the Dawi or some other cool title to show your continued allegiance to the Alliance of Dawi and Man.

[Garathos]

Who?

and you realize it says "are even permitted to learn some of the secret language of the Dwarfs"

EDIT, ahh now there's a link, thanks i'll read it and reply in sec
Yeah thats the best i could find because there is very little Warrior Priest lore that i can find on websites which arent people who rewrote stuff from the books. I dont want to go out and buy some books so my character can learn another language. Also i dont understand what your point is with the quote. The quest would just have to be a bit more difficult where you would have to actualy travel to Dwarf lands and do a series of quests to prove your worth and respect for them.

Edit: Didnt see your edit...

[Thoden Firehammer]

Felix learned the Dawi language. There is an Order within the Church that studies ancient texts written in the Dawi language.

I think he is correct that it can be learned in the table top RP game.
At least from a Lore perspective. But it is something that would be very exceptional and take a lot of study or exposure to dwarfs to bring about.

I highly doubt it will be allowed in the MMO. It would be an unnecessary smackdown on the Lore. I think that only Felix and the Order within the Church are the only examples I can remember. That probably totals about two dozen people. As opposed to eventually having a few hundred on every server learning it.
The only thing the Dawi draw the line (and draw it terminally they do) is the studty of the Runes. You do not want to be a Rune Master. Unless dying violently is your thing.:D

What would be better for a Warrior Priest is to have a TOK title from helping defend the Dawi Capitol. Friend of the Dawi or some other cool title to show your continued allegiance to the Alliance of Dawi and Man.


True, this is interesting, I guess you learn something new everyday XD

But yes you raise a good point, it's said that the Dwarf language is very complex and hard to use and learn by outsiders, so only the truly devoted could learn it...

[Garathos]

True, this is interesting, I guess you learn something new everyday XD

But yes you raise a good point, it's said that the Dwarf language is very complex and hard to use and learn by outsiders, so only the truly devoted could learn it...
And no one is more devout and fanatical than warrior priests!

[Thoden Firehammer]

And no one is more devout and fanatical than warrior priests!

Yes but that's to their faith >.>

Most would be too busiy to learn the Dwarf language, you know with all taht Chaos fighting and all :P

[Garathos]

Yes but that's to their faith >.>

Most would be too busiy to learn the Dwarf language, you know with all taht Chaos fighting and all :P
True, but the real warrior priests wander the land while destroying the chaos and undead taint. So what if their never ending adventure to destroy evil brought them to the dwarf lands. I'd say that warrior priest (after enough fighting and helping dwarfs) might pick the language up. I make it sound easy though, so just imagine that but a bit more difficult.

[Kruez]

Going by the current edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, any Priest of Sigmar can learn to speak Khazalid, so there's definitely some precedent for warrior-priests often learning the language.

For my own part, I wasn't aware their was any secrecy surrounding the dwarf language in the first place - in fact, priests of Sigmar aren't even the only non-dwarf career that can learn it in WHFRP.

[Garathos]

I think adding this would also give reason for warrior priests to go somewhere else than the empire. I think that if it were added, it should be at level 40 and the only way to get it is through helping the dwarfs defend their city, or help them destroy the greenskins one.

[Sionagnis]

i know that in the 6th(?) edition warhammer fantasy army book they mentioned warrior priests learing the dwarven language, i think its towards the back of the book.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Going by the current edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, any Priest of Sigmar can learn to speak Khazalid, so there's definitely some precedent for warrior-priests often learning the language.

For my own part, I wasn't aware their was any secrecy surrounding the dwarf language in the first place - in fact, priests of Sigmar aren't even the only non-dwarf career that can learn it in WHFRP.


That's really odd, I guess we have a lore contradiction here...

[Garathos]

That's really odd, I guess we have a lore contradiction here...
"Gasping sound"

[Thoden Firehammer]

"Gasping sound"


Random Gaspage....

[Garathos]

Going by the current edition of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, any Priest of Sigmar can learn to speak Khazalid, so there's definitely some precedent for warrior-priests often learning the language.

For my own part, I wasn't aware their was any secrecy surrounding the dwarf language in the first place - in fact, priests of Sigmar aren't even the only non-dwarf career that can learn it in WHFRP.
Cool, so what other careers can learn the dwarf language? Are they class specific or what?

[Thoden Firehammer]

I'm still going by this

The Dwarfs are very proud of their tongue which they rarely speak in the company of other races and never teach to other creatures. To humans it is the 'secret tongue of the Dwarfs', occasionally overheard, but never properly understood.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/dwarfs/extras/language/default.htm

[Garathos]

I'm still going by this


http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/dwarfs/extras/language/default.htm
Nice link, to bad I cant find anything on languages of the empire. :confused:

[heavyhebrew]

I'm still going by this


http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/dwarfs/extras/language/default.htm

Games Workshop does it again. Army Rulebook fluff says one thing. WHFRP says another.
Maybe we are both right. double true gaspage!

I can't wait for the person on the server who tries to RP a human who knows how to strike runes. It will be my pleasure to take him into custody and before the Dawi High KIng. I always wanted to see what would happen when some heretic gets lowered into a Great Forge.

[Kruez]

Cool, so what other careers can learn the dwarf language? Are they class specific or what?

Artisans and engineers can both specifically learn 'Speak Language: Khazalid'. For engineers, I figure it's because many Imperial engineers learn from dwarfs. As for artisans, I'm not entirely sure - maybe Imperial smiths, stoneworkers, brewers and the like sometimes learn from dwarf masters.

And I'm not entirely surprised that there's a lore contradiction. WHFRP sometimes contradicts the army books; as far as I know there's not one "correct" source, but for my own part I tend to take the word of the army book over the RP book.

[Garathos]

Artisans and engineers can both specifically learn 'Speak Language: Khazalid'. For engineers, I figure it's because many Imperial engineers learn from dwarfs. As for artisans, I'm not entirely sure - maybe Imperial smiths, stoneworkers, brewers and the like sometimes learn from dwarf masters.

And I'm not entirely surprised that there's a lore contradiction. WHFRP sometimes contradicts the army books; as far as I know there's not one "correct" source, but for my own part I tend to take the word of the army book over the RP book.
Thats pretty cool. Thanks for the information dude.

[Atekimogus]

I remember this was mentioned in the first Gotrek & Felix omnibus, something along the line that only named dwarf friends (like Felix) and warrior priests are trusted enough to be allowed to learn dawi. I am not sure though it has been a while since I read this book.

[Paraclete]

Read through this post and from what it looks like, you came across some information about ONE instance where a WP was allowed to be apart of a dwarven secret tradition/language and want it implemented in WAR.

My question.... why?

[Vikingkingq]

Just to add to this:
- All Grand Theogonists take on Khazalid names when they are invested.

[Garathos]

Just to add to this:
- All Grand Theogonists take on Khazalid names when they are invested.
I call i get to be the Grand Theogonist Volkmar when WAR comes out!

[Hinnu]

this small sgement of language discusion, leads me to ask a much bigger question, how will languages work in general?

Can all order sides talk to each other? and if not, how can they group?
same for Chaos?
if this is redundent question, send me elsewhere :P

Are there channels, yelling, party talk, raid talk, and the likes.

[Aelric]

Mythic has already announced that every single player can complete every single quest on their side (Order or Chaos) with no racial quest restrictions, so I assume you'll be able to communicate with all of the factions of your alliance.

[Finnblood]

Alas, I can't cite my sources, as i'm not sure where I got this from, but in the ancient days (back in the reign of Sigmar) Dwarfs were more open towards humans and allowed them to learn their language. That is where the current knowledge of the Dwarf language comes from. Original copies of Dwarf dictionaries and grammar rules were written back in those days and the current ones have been copied from those.

In WHrPG characters are supposed to be somewhat unique. Rather the exception than the rule. That is why some classes have the option of Khazalid. Also, the engineers have had plenty of relations with the Dwarfs - the Dawi taught them the secret of blackpowder! So, they most likely have some Khazalid basic dictionaries stored somewhere.
Humans have always been a bit jealous of the Dwarfs so Artisans might have learned Khazalid via espionage.

Maybe the Temple of Sigmar could sell copies of "Ye Dwarfe Tongue for Prieste Younge ande Olde"...

[Grungas Ironnose]

True, this is interesting, I guess you learn something new everyday XD

But yes you raise a good point, it's said that the Dwarf language is very complex and hard to use and learn by outsiders, so only the truly devoted could learn it...

In the dwarf army book and the GW website there's a section on how to write in Klinkarhun and speak in Khazalid. If i had no life I would probley take time to learn. I doesn't look too hard. At least its possible for humans.

However, I think to ackley speak it first you'd have to drink 30 pinks and smoke 10000 a day for 50 years. Then, if your still alive, have surgury to make your balls drop so low they trail along the floor, scream until your spiking blood, they eat rocks. Then your about half way there.