Who would you rather keep alive?

[Dawi_RP]

Black Orc or Choppa? (I'm not saying you're heal-botting, just saying if you had a choice)

[Krulltak]

A Black Orc, because without them, the Choppa would not be able to slaughter in relative safety.

[Goregaz JiblieSmasha]

Black orc, because well, Boss Krulltak already said what i was gonna say :|

[Dawi_RP]

A Black Orc, because without them, the Choppa would not be able to slaughter in relative safety.


The problem is, if the Black Orcs don't do their jobs... I'm not sure PvP will be the organized gem we hope for

[Goregaz JiblieSmasha]

The problem is, if the Black Orcs don't do their jobs... I'm not sure PvP will be the organized gem we hope for
well, if the black orcs dont do their job, then your screwed, so either way its either win-win or lose-lose

[Runiat]

Assuming the black orc will try harder to keep me alive (they got taunt, right?) if I heal him than if I don't, he'd be the last person to die.

If he's just sitting around while the choppa is putting himself in front of me, he's worthless and thus I'd be just as likely to try get him killed as to actually heal him.

[ungenius]

easily the black orc, its not like the "tanks" can't do some serious damage, not to mention the fact that they have some pretty cool snare/general annoyance abilities that will help keep people off you :)

[Wheelchair]

Apparently 80% of the people Agree with me, Keeping a stronger and more "well armored" would provide you with a longer lasting AP pool, Along with being able to be Protected. As Ungenius Said, the Black orc has many Snares.

[Shinma]

Although Choppas are capable of a higher rate of damage than black orcs, black orcs, with their wide range of CC and high armor are meant to benefit the team more than just themselves...

Basically what everyone has already said :neutral:

[Ryas]

Aye keep the Black orc alive....as he'll hopefully be the one stopping them making me into a Green pancake :)

[Fusko]

I voted black orc, but I think I'd hafta go with Choppa. I'm thinkin a good Choppa with a good healer, could go into a fight and take out some key classes.

[Accipiter]

Not even an option in the poll for the Squig Herder? Good thing I can eat my squig when I need a heal. :(

[Mohko]

Depending on situation my choice would vary. Sometimes it's the right thing to keep BO alive and sometimes not. Remember than in PVP situation is changing all the time so you can't set in stone rules like "Allways heal character X before Y".

[Gorrr]

Black Orc or Choppa? (I'm not saying you're heal-botting, just saying if you had a choice)

Probably black ork...

but it depends on cituation,i wouldnt mind healing choppa if they can do a lot of damage and have interrupt/charge effects =/

But,if black orks can stun(lock) people it wouldnt be too bad.PvP taunting and being,well,a spiky wall for me wont hurt either.

[Tlear]

Heal black orc first and yell for him to pretect the choppa, then heal choppa :)

[Commentaris]

Aye keep the Black orc alive....as he'll hopefully be the one stopping them making me into a Green pancake :)
that covered what i wanted to say, but more graphicly :lol:

[Creslan]

Any healer that would let a tank that was defending them die because another class was "doing more dmg" deserves to get "thrown" off a cliff.

[Hnbmilk]

As a class, I like the choppa better. But without black orcs, it wouldnt really be complete. Orcs need black orcs.

[Hampus]

Black Orc, why? Well... Duh. All who chose Choppa simply made the wrong choice.

[ChaosBear]

I would never keep any of them alive :) I'm a Dwarf.

If I was playing destruction I'd say it's situational.

[Krylzay]

The Black Orcs job is to keep everything attacking him. While Black Orcs have a lot of armor they can only keep that up for so long. If a Black Orc does his job and gets the opponents attacking him than the Choppa shouldn't been taking much damage.

I vote Black Orc

[PondersAvatar]

thats PvE though. in most pvp situations the choppa is going to be taking most the heat so we will probably be forced to heal them.

[Krylzay]

thats PvE though. in most pvp situations the choppa is going to be taking most the heat so we will probably be forced to heal them.

I disagree, even in PvP the Black Orc's job is to get all of the opponents attacking him/her while the Choppa takes them down.

[rokema]

I, personally think the choppa is more fun than an Blackorc: The bezerking, tyring not to get killed, smash others up while peeps heal you..... I found a cool vids with a choppa owning (with some healing) a bright Wiz. and a Runepriest!! :cool:http://videos.curse.com/details/740/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h48yRo255fU

[Axxar]

Keep the black orc alive as he can keep the choppa (or you) alive, and is easier to heal. It depends on the situation, of course. The black orc could be a crap player.

[Feigro]

If they were both at the same health level? Honestly the Choppa.

He'll die faster. The Black Orc will more likely be alive after I healed the Choppa, so I can heal him now too. The Choppa could be dead after I healed the Blorc.

I'd say it depends on the situation.

[rokema]

Yes ur right m8. The choppa has less health so you heal him first and the BO second but that depends on the situation like the other guy said! And its better to be choppa because most peeps dont wanna play one! I like playing the underdog class! show peeps that they can also do some destruction!
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Choppa's da bezst because........
Choppa's die chopping!

[Hampus]

*edited portion*

You're in charge of healing a black orc and a choppa. Both are being pounded by a human wizard, both have 1 HP left and the human wizard is about to use a damage AoE. You only have enough Waaagh! for one instant heal, it will only heal one of the two orcs. Which one will you heal?

It's the black orc.

[Lucrece]

Sighs, it's not about "who can live the longest so I can heal him later". The author have written "who'd you rather keep alive", meaning the other one dies. If you're really so god damned slow, here's a more specific situation for you:

You're in charge of healing a black orc and a choppa. Both are being pounded by a human wizard, both have 1 HP left and the human wizard is about to use a damage AoE. You only have enough Waaagh! for one instant heal, it will only heal one of the two orcs. Which one will you heal?

The answer is a obvious one. It's the black orc. It will always be the black orc. If you need an explanation - go read about the two classes. Read up on how to be a healer while you're at it.

My, someone takes others too seriously.:p

[Resistance]

Sighs, it's not about "who can live the longest so I can heal him later". The author have written "who'd you rather keep alive", meaning the other one dies. If you're really so god damned slow, here's a more specific situation for you:

You're in charge of healing a black orc and a choppa. Both are being pounded by a human wizard, both have 1 HP left and the human wizard is about to use a damage AoE. You only have enough Waaagh! for one instant heal, it will only heal one of the two orcs. Which one will you heal?

The answer is a obvious one. It's the black orc. It will always be the black orc. If you need an explanation - go read about the two classes. Read up on how to be a healer while you're at it.
Good call! :cool:

[rokema]

Heal the choppa because they own bright wiz... look at statistics light melee = good against ranged / magic!
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Choppa's da bezst because...
We die choppin'!

[Gemini]

Heal the choppa because they own bright wiz... look at statistics light melee = good against ranged / magic!
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Choppa's da bezst because...
We die choppin'!

As the witch hunter runs past the choppa and blasts the shaman in the face with his gun. Black Orcs can take a beating from the ranged units while keeping the away from the gobbos and then move on to ranged as the shaman heals!

I suspect a black orc and shaman will make an awesome team.

[Simple]

I'm thinking an Orc Choppa and Goblin Shaman will make an awesome 2 man team, just so much potential in the 2 classes. Not to say Black Orc wouldn't be good either.

I will be rolling an Orc Choppa, and my friend shall be rolling a Goblin Shaman and we are going to steamroll in pvp :D

[Serejai]

Whoever tries harder to keep me alive.

[Aycrith]

If the black orc is doing his job, you can heal both. Especially since this game doesn't have spell interrupts like DAoC. Though, if I had to make a choice (if both classes where properly doing their jobs) I would choose black orc. The Black Orc will keep me alive longer, being a support class this will allow me to heal other group members, and/or rez. Has it been stated what mythic's stance is on in combat rezzing?

[Dracallo]

from a strategy POV I see it like this.

In your party lets just say you have two tanks, a melee dps, a ranged dps, and two healers.

Your tanks are like shielded spearmen (think of 300). Theyre holding the line taking quick attacks and maybe killing a few foes. Their job is to not let anyone pass. Theyre taking the brunt of battle and taking the most DMG.

The healers make sure their meat shields are almost back to full health and launch the debuffs and hexes, magic spears, whatever they have.

Enter your Melee DPS. He stands close behind the line observing and looking for a weakness on either flank. Finally he/she finds one. A good DPS player will exploit a weakness and attack it like a rabbid dog.

They jump in the mix with a poisoned dagger whatever and stabs two of the foes once or twice. His job is done and he scrambles back behind the line an inch from his life and rests or gets healed.



All the while your ranged DPS does what he does best. Stands back sending massive DMG down range and pretty much just sits back and laughs at the carnage round him since he is the eye of the storm.

But what do I know...

...Apply, rinse, repeat.

[Avatar Of War]

I would have to say the Black Orc.

Come on this is one of the first lessons they teach you in MMO 101:
* It does not matter how much DPS you do if your dead.. *

The tank keeps the healer alive, not the DPS, unless the DPS is one shotting all the competition, eventually the DPS will die and the tank is in trouble, meaning the healer is in trouble, meaning you lose that battle

[Krulltak]

The tank keeps the healer alive, not the DPS, unless the DPS is one shotting all the competition, eventually the DPS will die and the healer is in trouble, meaning the tank is in trouble, meaning you lose that battle

Actually, the Heavy Tank keeps everyone alive. Everyone that isn't a Heavy Tank themselves. If the team is playing organized and together, not many should die, and the Melee DDs will continue to kill things.

[Avatar Of War]

Actually, the Heavy Tank keeps everyone alive. Everyone that isn't a Heavy Tank themselves. If the team is playing organized and together, not many should die, and the Melee DDs will continue to kill things.


Uhmm is that not what i said?? I said that DPS is worthless to heal first. if you heal the dps first the tank is at certain risk. If the tank dies. Shaman is next and the DPS probably already died a while back if the tank died.


Maybe I should rewrite It but I'm pretty sure the main part was that DPS is useless if the DPSer is dead which he will be if he gets the majority of the heals instead of the tank...

I even said it in big words and did not use colors....


To clarify my first post since the Orc did not seem to understand what I meant. If the DPS is getting the majority of the heals. the tank is in trouble, without the tank the DPS and the shaman are dead.

The DPS while being able to take a few hits, will go down extremely quickly with concentrated fire (unless he is somehow managing to one shot all the opponents,, which I doubt ).

So now you have a dead DPS and an almost dead tank, suddenly all fire is concentrated on the tank, he dies almost instantly, especially now that the DPS is not longer there to give him breathing space by killing the members of the other team

And the poor shammy since he used all his big heals on the DPS cant get a heal off big enough to give the tank a fighting chance,

I was trying to say all this in a concise sound bite type manner, but since some of us cant seem to be able to read:
* DPS DOES NOT MATTER IF YOUR DEAD *
I have to write a 10 paragraph battle scenario to explain a simple MMO concept. Way to comprehend Krull. Ohh and i swapped two words for you in my original post. Just two words that seem to have completely made you miss the whole idea of my post... they have courses on comprehension in at community collage for a reasonable rate.

Reading is fudamental.

[Browncoat-WHA]

You know, you guys can make points without throwing around insults right?

So let's take those out of the equation and leave the frustration out of the posts.

[Runiat]

You know, you guys can make points without throwing around insults right?
You can?!

Nah just kiddin'.. on a more serious note, though, you should probably start running before that angry mob burns you for heresy.

[Accipiter]

My vote is for whoever is the most attractive and looks best with his shirt off.


*edit - no wait, then I'd only heal the Witch elves.

[epicatlantis]

If the tank is doing his job, he will be protecting you. Thus, you would heal the Black Orc first. If he isn't doing his job, yell at him. Usually the tank will last longer then a lighter hybrid. If this is the case, heal the Choppa first if you know you can throw a heal on the tank after and save both of them. It is really situational. :cool:

Then again, if you piss me off; don't expect heals no matter who you are :D.

[Speedy]

As a formerly proud WoW healbot, I must say that the tank takes priority over DPS =( ~Looks at career choice~ >.> <.< I better bring potions...

[Endemikus]

Whoever tries harder to keep me alive.

OP, can you add this option to the poll? It definitely gets my vote.

[Vidrak]

I have played a healer in many, many games. And I think the Black Orc call is a bad one.

Too many healers only focus on the tanks, and the DPS die all the time. When a DPS class starts taking damage, you usually need to already be healing them, or they will die in a matter of seconds. While it will be different in this game possibly, healing the tank when they are in the same situation as a DPS class is a bad idea, IMO.

The tank should be able to stay alive longer, and can always use abilities to improve his defense. You should never let your tank get below around 30% health anyways, and if you are paying attention to what is going on, it is pretty easy to predict who is going to take damage.

Basically, it is all situational, but in most cases, if a DPS class is getting beat on, I will heal them before the tank. A tank is meant to take damage, a DPS class is not.

[Gemini]

I have played a healer in many, many games. And I think the Black Orc call is a bad one.

Too many healers only focus on the tanks, and the DPS die all the time. When a DPS class starts taking damage, you usually need to already be healing them, or they will die in a matter of seconds. While it will be different in this game possibly, healing the tank when they are in the same situation as a DPS class is a bad idea, IMO.

The tank should be able to stay alive longer, and can always use abilities to improve his defense. You should never let your tank get below around 30% health anyways, and if you are paying attention to what is going on, it is pretty easy to predict who is going to take damage.

Basically, it is all situational, but in most cases, if a DPS class is getting beat on, I will heal them before the tank. A tank is meant to take damage, a DPS class is not.

The question isn't which would you heal first though, it's which would you rather keep alive. If in some bizzare situtation you can either keep your Choppa or your Black Orc alive, which would you pick? I stand by the Black Orc choice, because the Black Orc will also be helping keep me alive as I do so for him. All the Choppa can do to keep me alive is chop the things that are near me.

[Baradun]

I voted black orc, but I think I'd hafta go with Choppa. I'm thinkin a good Choppa with a good healer, could go into a fight and take out some key classes.

I seccond that, I remember chain healing a rogue while I was hiding in a bush, me and that rogue took out half of their forces before they ran out of forces and I ran oom lol

[Skotte]

Well, I think I would keep the Black Orc alive, because he's like the tank, and if he dies, then it'll be hard to make damage for the choppa.

[Baconbitz]

Uhmm is that not what i said?? I said that DPS is worthless to heal first. if you heal the dps first the tank is at certain risk. If the tank dies. Shaman is next and the DPS probably already died a while back if the tank died.


Maybe I should rewrite It but I'm pretty sure the main part was that DPS is useless if the DPSer is dead which he will be if he gets the majority of the heals instead of the tank...

I even said it in big words and did not use colors....


To clarify my first post since the Orc did not seem to understand what I meant. If the DPS is getting the majority of the heals. the tank is in trouble, without the tank the DPS and the shaman are dead.

The DPS while being able to take a few hits, will go down extremely quickly with concentrated fire (unless he is somehow managing to one shot all the opponents,, which I doubt ).

So now you have a dead DPS and an almost dead tank, suddenly all fire is concentrated on the tank, he dies almost instantly, especially now that the DPS is not longer there to give him breathing space by killing the members of the other team

And the poor shammy since he used all his big heals on the DPS cant get a heal off big enough to give the tank a fighting chance,

I was trying to say all this in a concise sound bite type manner, but since some of us cant seem to be able to read:
* DPS DOES NOT MATTER IF YOUR DEAD *
I have to write a 10 paragraph battle scenario to explain a simple MMO concept. Way to comprehend Krull. Ohh and i swapped two words for you in my original post. Just two words that seem to have completely made you miss the whole idea of my post... they have courses on comprehension in at community collage for a reasonable rate.

Reading is fudamental.






so ya. this kind of elitist crap might work on in pve where u have clear set rules about what you do. but when your not playing world of warcraft and you actually step foot into a game with pvp, you have to realize that you dont know everything. healing the tank might be a good idea. it might not. it all depends on the situation your in.

If this was so cut and dry, this post would have fizzled out before it got 1 page of posts, but its not cut and dry.

no need to get beligerant(sp?) about such things :)

[Barocrates]

I keep whichever one needs the heal up. I'm unlikely to encounter winnable situation where two of my teamates are approaching critical at the exact same rate.

For the super hypothetical "what if", I would need a list of skills before I could make that call. Whichever one among the two has the most stuns, snares, and roots is the one I'd pick, waiting for teamates to come reinforce us. If there was a force effective enough to take out one of ours, odds are two of us aren't going to "beat" what three of us couldn't, and at that point it's attrition waiting for reinforcements.

[logicalmayhem]

the fact is that if they dont do some kind of decent job tanking they wont get healed

[Vidrak]

The question isn't which would you heal first though, it's which would you rather keep alive. If in some bizzare situtation you can either keep your Choppa or your Black Orc alive, which would you pick? I stand by the Black Orc choice, because the Black Orc will also be helping keep me alive as I do so for him. All the Choppa can do to keep me alive is chop the things that are near me.
A bizarre situation indeed :)

If I had to choose between one living and one dying, and one had to die. It would still depend on the situation. People make it sound like Melee DPS classes suck at tanking. Every game I have played they can fill in for a tank in a pinch. EVERY GAME. The only reason they are not used as tanks, is that tanks do a better job and are easier to heal (usually because of larger HP pools and taking less spike damage).

This would be my process of deciding if one HAD to die. If there were multiple mobs, I would keep the Black Orc alive, as they are much better suited to controlling these mobs in such an issue. Or else, I would be mobbed by all of them.

If there was a single mob or 2 mobs, I would probably shoot for the Choppa. They would most likely bring them down 2-3 times faster than a Black Orc ever could and I could keep them alive for that time most likely.

There is never only one option or way to do things. I have had many situations where I have kept a tank alive and it takes 20 minutes to kill the damn mob (because all the DPS are dead). So, I still say, it depends :)

[Faezroth]

edit: posted in wrong thread

[Tom_Hobbes]

I'm bored, so I think I'll note that I'd save the choppa. If your party is going to be down by a member, the only way to not get perfect-KO'd is to burn all your cooldowns and try to even the odds as fast as possible. If you save the tank archetype you're a bit short on damage and are unlikely to be able to burn your way back to victory under the enemy's superior numbers. Save the dpser, and you can pile the nukes on his target and take it down right fast with one of the highest dps duos in the game.

Descision is even clearer if you're playing with the defensive nuker of the game. Let the tank go down, have the mage hit their temporary immunity to melee, and burn it.

This is obviously the strategy for a generic party makeup of enemies. If your foes are primarily melee dps and on top of you (the healer), you save the tank because he's the one with the better ability to screw mdps over. His ability to toss you to safety is really secondary.

What I'm saying is that it's not about surviving, it's about winning. In keep warfare, especially if you're on the seiging side, strategic disabling of your opponents' line is the primary concern-- if your priorities are straight it won't matter if you're dead as long as your objective goes down. And that often means tossing damage at them in bursts, not holding back and trying to survive.

[Nightz]

Choppa for me because if the fight has lasted a long time they can only get stronger and healing them would let them do more dps and be able to kill people attacking me so id go for choppa no doubt

[Skozat]

Easy answer? I use my AoE group heal if they're both hurt to throw some HP to both of them, and I focus heal the choppa because the tank can survive on his own better. Probably alternate 2 focus heals and 1 AoE until the choppa is back up to full. If they're taking damage at a higher rate than that, we're facing too many opponents.

[RadioNinja]

Whats?! Is yous got a bucket of nails for brains?! Heals ye'self, then runs away! Come back laters, and pick up the loots.

[Amarll]

I'm not voting because, simply of the fact is the black ork doing his best to protect me?

If not then is the choppa doing his best to DPS and keep people off me?

I will vote for the Choppa if he is doing his best to keep people off me and DPSing those in his way.

I will vote Black Ork if he is doing his job and protecting me rather than straying off.

If they are both doing their job I will focus mostly on the Choppa because he is going to be the most squishy therefor I could prolly get a heal or 2 off on the choppa before the Black Ork falls.

If they are both near death I will keep the Black Ork up.

[BadVoodoo]

Is this a random battle or are we there for a reason?

If we have a job to do, then I will heal whichever one that will do the job. I.E. if we are there to delay the enemy until reinforcements arrive then its the Blackorc. If we got sent to take an objective or to kill the other side`s squishies, then probably the Choppa, but that still depends on the situation.

Shaman can rez, so if I can stay alive then I can bring back the one I let die, so who is keeping me alive?

Shaman are not just healers in this game, we are nukers too. The longer I can stay alive the more damage I can do. The more damage I do the bigger and faster my heals. Shaman in this game also have a fair bit of cc, as do Blackorcs.....


Who is doing their job? If the Blackorc is being a total noob and just flexing his epeen, he wont get many heals from me!

[BadVoodoo]

Easy answer? I use my AoE group heal if they're both hurt to throw some HP to both of them, and I focus heal the choppa because the tank can survive on his own better. Probably alternate 2 focus heals and 1 AoE until the choppa is back up to full. If they're taking damage at a higher rate than that, we're facing too many opponents.


True enough. Dont forget to nuke as well. If your buddies can keep them occupied long enough for you to get off a couple of damage spells, then your heals will be faster and larger. This might not always be possible though. It just depends on the situation.