Feedback concerning my Ironbreaker playtest (13NOV08).

[Tiresias]

CR40 Ironbreaker here. RR doesn't matter because I did nothing but test PvE since there was really nobody to fight tonight.

I use an axe and shield and stack for survivability when doing PvE. I pull multiple targets and use Earthshatter (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1387), Shield Sweep (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1361), and Rune-Etched Axe (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1366) to deal AoE damage while focusing on the biggest target with my self-buff attacks and Shield of Reprisal (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1369).

Here is my build. (http://www.wardb.com/career.aspx?id=1#7:128:0:0:14:8832:25:1407:1395:14 10:1394::::1418:607:1420:613) I am not RR40.

Grudge generation is fine in solo PvE. In fact nothing has changed in terms of solo generation so this is to be expected. However, if I wanted to maintain my Grudge from fight to fight I could not stop to loot or Scavange. The 10 second decay timer combined with the incredible rate of decay requied me to quickly loot what I could and keep moving if I wanted to maintain high Grudge.

I had to grind in Public Quest areas, by and large. No other locations provided me with enough mobs for me to keep my Grudge up from encounter to encounter. Normal "quest" areas had mobs that were too spread out, so I had to move to pull the next mob as the first one died.

Pulling 3-5 even-con mobs worked best. I could get my Grudge up to 100 quickly then start rotating through my AoE attacks. Lots of blocks meant I was taking 15% less damage much of the time thanks to Seasoned Veteran (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1395).

I found a PQ that has critters nearby (CR1 rats). After dropping a bunch of mobs I would Taunt the critter onto me while I looted the corpses. This would prevent my Grudge from dropping, though I couldn't Scavange because getting hit interrupts it.

Due to high avoidance, there were times when I would not get hit for 10 seconds (fighting a single mob, of course) and my Grudge would start to drop in-combat.

My overall grinding speed was noticeably slower, but still tolerable as long as I could pull multiple mobs at a time.

[Zeebie]

I found a PQ that has critters nearby (CR1 rats). After dropping a bunch of mobs I would Taunt the critter onto me while I looted the corpses. This would prevent my Grudge from dropping, though I couldn't Scavange because getting hit interrupts it.

Due to high avoidance, there were times when I would not get hit for 10 seconds (fighting a single mob, of course) and my Grudge would start to drop in-combat.


that there shows the problem, you can lose grudge in battle!, or the fact you had to use silly tricks to keep grudge from ticking over is stupid, leave degeneration and generation as they are now, but you need 20 second decay on a "out of combat" timer

[Tiresias]

It was a little silly to let myself get beaten up by a rat. I actually got angry once when someone came by and killed it, thinking that I didn't see it or that it had bugged out. I felt sorry for the little guy...

[Myrrh]

i see a new fashion statement for IBs! how sad would that be if this became everyone's solution and every time you saw an IB grinding he'd have a low lvl critter attacking him. they can be your class's little sidekicks...

[Baldor]

...I found a PQ that has critters nearby (CR1 rats). After dropping a bunch of mobs I would Taunt the critter onto me while I looted the corpses...

I did this same thing on the PTS. Funny but at the same time sad.

[Adraedan Yfelsung]

There's the possibility you were never intended to carry grudge from fight to fight.

Just an idea.

Kind of seems odd you would build grudge against a specific target or group of targets and suddenly have a large grudge against the next thing you engaged.

[Kronine]

there's the possibility you were never intended to carry grudge from fight to fight.

Just an idea.

Kind of seems odd you would build grudge against a specific target or group of targets and suddenly have a large grudge against the next thing you engaged.
okay buddy

[Hullu]

okay buddy

He's not your buddy, dude!

[AODEaSyKiLL]

This is not good.

I already drag rats and stuff around on my IB as it is on my live server to keep or build grudge (and moral).

[Tiresias]

This is not good.

I already drag rats and stuff around on my IB as it is on my live server to keep or build grudge (and moral).

Unfortunately I found it to be a necessity if I wanted to be able to loot corpses.

Unfortunately getting hit by a rat keep you in combat, so when I needed to regen life I just had to deal with starting over at zero Grudge.