So, with High elfs the White lion is rumored to be the pet?

[Loomdun]

Dont High elves have control over dragons as well? I mean.... I dont know to much about warhammer lore, but I did see some pictures with them riding dragons soo uhhh. That would be a option to right

[Yavvy]

1. Dragons have become reclusive the last years. Even the Dragon Knights (or whatever their name is) hardly ever ride them.

2. Dragons as an in-game pet would either be completely overpowered or nerfed beyond recognition lore-wise. A Dragon doing as much damage as a snotling?

[ungenius]

a falcon or eagle would be the most sensible pet, but they might have something more interesting cooking.

the white lions actually having a white lion pet seems kinda 'weird' considering their like.. 'right of passage' is to hunt and kill one and then use its pelt to create a cape out of it.. but i mean.. *shrug* :)

i personally think a shadow warrior would be cool to have a falcon or something ;)

[Loomdun]

1. Dragons have become reclusive the last years. Even the Dragon Knights (or whatever their name is) hardly ever ride them.

2. Dragons as an in-game pet would either be completely overpowered or nerfed beyond recognition lore-wise. A Dragon doing as much damage as a snotling?

Okay well, you see! There would be one dragon and 4-5 snotlings. *cough*

damn... Crushed my hopes

[Aeldor]

a falcon or eagle would be the most sensible pet, but they might have something more interesting cooking.

the white lions actually having a white lion pet seems kinda 'weird' considering their like.. 'right of passage' is to hunt and kill one and then use its pelt to create a cape out of it.. but i mean.. *shrug* :)

i personally think a shadow warrior would be cool to have a falcon or something ;)

Posted this elsewhere but not been read evidently.
Just got back from Games Day uk. Managed to read through the new High Elf army book while i was there so i could look up the new fluff on White Lions. It is now thus.

Not all White Lions are killed out of hand by the hunters of Chrace. The Asur are not ones for wanton slaughter. If a cub, or young lion is found, it will be taken into captivity, and raised in such a way that it is not so violent and agressive. Basically catching them before they become vicious killing machines, and raising them right, almost domesticating them. Of course, if one is left to be raised in the wild naturaly, it becomes a danger, and is stalked by the chracian hunters. (Not directly quoted, but the jist of it)

This new fluff really spoke to me, and now i'm becoming more and more sure that the pet class will be the White Lion. Maybe you will kill a Lion on your pelt quest and capture its cub, maybe a differant mechanic.


The game is coming along brilliantly btw from what i managed to see. It looks really clean, plays relatively smoothly, and is great fun!

As for High Elves in the TT if anyone is interested, there are some beautiful new models, including mages, princes, dragon mages, dragon princes, shadow warriors and chariots. Also the entire army gains the 'Always strike first ' rule. No need to charge anymore, let your opponent come to you.

[Aeldor]

As for Shadow Warriors, there has never, ever been any lore suggesting that they can fight with animal companions. Also, why would you want a pet class that is the same as every ranger that has ever been in a game? An archer with a pet has been done so often its boring now.
Dragons are actually making a huge comeback in the new book, with three differant types of dragon, and a number of differant classes that can ride them. However they are far, far too powerful to be a pet.

[Loomdun]

As for Shadow Warriors, there has never, ever been any lore suggesting that they can fight with animal companions. Also, why would you want a pet class that is the same as every ranger that has ever been in a game? An archer with a pet has been done so often its boring now.
Dragons are actually making a huge comeback in the new book, with three differant types of dragon, and a number of differant classes that can ride them. However they are far, far too powerful to be a pet.

Welllll.... Dragons Do take a long time to grow up! Could be like... Uh. adolescent dragon.... or dragon whelp *shrugg*

But a stealthing pure archer class is a nice approach I know it was done in DAOC

[XShrike]

Aren't Warhammer dragons sentient and not beasts? When you see one being ridden it is either a partnership or the rider somehow enslaved it.

[Spacepeanut]

Yeah Dragons in Warhammer are sentient they were the only intelligent life int he world before the Old Ones came and planted Lizardmen there. And then it's rumored that the Orcs came from space.

[mongoose]

Not all White Lions are killed out of hand by the hunters of Chrace. The Asur are not ones for wanton slaughter. If a cub, or young lion is found, it will be taken into captivity, and raised in such a way that it is not so violent and agressive. Basically catching them before they become vicious killing machines, and raising them right, almost domesticating them. Of course, if one is left to be raised in the wild naturaly, it becomes a danger, and is stalked by the chracian hunters. (Not directly quoted, but the jist of it)


Well that almost makes giving the White Lions a pet a lock.....almost. And to think a lot of you thought I was off my nut when I mentioned this over a year ago :rolleyes:

[checkthis5000]

Well that almost makes giving the White Lions a pet a lock.....almost. And to think a lot of you thought I was off my nut when I mentioned this over a year ago :rolleyes:

Maybe you still are off your nut, it just so happens that Mythic is off the same nut. :p

[Truce]

As for High Elves in the TT if anyone is interested, there are some beautiful new models, including mages, princes, dragon mages, dragon princes, shadow warriors and chariots. Also the entire army gains the 'Always strike first ' rule. No need to charge anymore, let your opponent come to you.

Hmmm....That sounds like it might make all their different elite infantry options more appealing in competetive lists.

And yeah, if that's the new official white lion lore, they're pretty much a lock as the high elf pet class.

[Nerissa]

Aren't Warhammer dragons sentient and not beasts?


I think sentient dragons have become the norm in fantasy for a bit.

[Vaeronthar]

I don't think that beast dragons were ever the norm. From myth to literature, it's always been pretty smart. I thought so, anyway.

[Gemini]

I don't think that beast dragons were ever the norm. From myth to literature, it's always been pretty smart. I thought so, anyway.

I guess it depends on peoples definitions of smart and beastly and stuff. To me alot of dragons in fantasy stuff are the epitome of balance between beastial instincts, intelligent cunning, and physical/magical power.

[mongoose]

Maybe you still are off your nut, it just so happens that Mythic is off the same nut. :p

I prefer to think of it as......Great minds think alike :cool:

[Dreadon]

I for one would love to see the white lions as the melee dps class with pets. it is not to offten that you see some one charging at you with a massive lion at their side swinging a great axe. :shock:

[Duncan]

I for one would love to see the white lions as the melee dps class with pets. it is not to offten that you see some one charging at you with a massive lion at their side swinging a great axe. :shock:

I dont!
I like swordmasters too much, and if white lions are going to be that badass...man....I'll be playing this game forever.

[Dreadon]

If white lions are going to be that badass...man....I'll be playing this game forever.

Well now, maybe we elfs will finaly have a class that can attract more people to our side. From all the poles dark elfs out number us 4 to 1 if the lions bring more people in all the better.

[Eredhel]

Well now, maybe we elfs will finaly have a class that can attract more people to our side. From all the poles dark elfs out number us 4 to 1 if the lions bring more people in all the better.

Bah! Nothing like a target-rich environment :D

[Fusko]

Bah! Nothing like a target-rich environment :D
I'd hate getting mah lion too fat, especially on nasty Dark Elf meat... :-p

[Duncan]

dark elfs out number us 4 to 1

Hell yea!!!

[Nerothos]

Although the thought of any pet-class for the High Elves makes me cringe, from a lore perspective, White Lions make the most sense. It's been stated numerous times before as to why.

However, mention Shadow Warriors with eagles one more time, and your children will mysteriously disappear. They do not have animal relations. At all. They're warriors. Cold blooded murderers of the Druchii. Not mother freaking la-di-dah hunters.

[Faltina]

Although the thought of any pet-class for the High Elves makes me cringe, from a lore perspective, White Lions make the most sense. It's been stated numerous times before as to why.

However, mention Shadow Warriors with eagles one more time, and your children will mysteriously disappear. They do not have animal relations. At all. They're warriors. Cold blooded murderers of the Druchii. Not mother freaking la-di-dah hunters.


LOL!

Yeah everything I've been reading has all but put the kibosh on Shadow Warriors being the pet class, (unless they just throw the lore out the window entirely).

[Grungas Ironnose]

I think White Lions would be great. It may even temp me away from dwarfs if they're brought in. That and dwarfs being given a fat donkey or a mental motor bike as a mount.

It'd be nice to have a pet class being melee, something that i've never experieced and would love.

Also, shadow warriors don't need pets to be fun. Give him magic, a bow, and a sword. The elf, dressed from head to foot in dark chainmail and hood sees a Black Guard from afar. He prepares. He raises his bow, mutters a few well choosen words, and fires. A perfect shot, the arrow is imbeded in the dark elfs exsposed ankle. As he howls in pain the shadow warrior runs, at break neck speed, towards his enemy, the scum that is a dark elf. As he moves, he fires another arrow, this want alight with a blue flame. It lands some 2 feet from the elf, but no matter. It suddenly exspodes in a bright light, the dark elf can't see a thing, it cant see its enemy who is now no more than 10 feet away. The dark elf draws his spear, turns and...theres a sword in his chest, with a very happy mad high elf on the other end. this all took place over about 30 seconds.

Basically, damage your enemy at range, finish him in melee.

These two careers might give high elves just what they need to make them popular above the dark elves.

[Brynduraz]

I am a huge fan of all pet classes but particularly favor the more "tarzan" style pet class with animal pets and up close fight style for the player (ie beastlord in EQ). This whole HE pet class sounds appealling but i had one thought.

I think the Dwarf Engineer will play like a pet class so maybe for the time being the good team doesn't need a standard "pet class". The Turret is sorta like self targetting DOT that has a static single target AoE and some HP. The Devs may have more tricks up their sleeves to allow engineers to have even more "pet like" turrets that are mobile or could be assigned a specific target.

To me the value of a pet is your pet can focus on one target while you choose what the next priority is. Your priority MAY be destroying the same target the pet is on but it may also be helping a teamate, running away, Crowd Control, Helping the the healer heal (ie Conj or Necro in EQII), or any other number of things you may want to do while the pet is keeps said target occupied.

Many people have mentioned that WAR will be breaking some of our prejudices about what a class is. I feel the Engineer could work a bit like a pet class. I am weak on the lore but perhaps a more traditional "pet class" will become availible with an expansion race so all of my fellow beastlords can flock to the game and give me time to play engineer or runepriest before i go bonkers and make another pet class. IF HE is the race that has the strongest lore for a pet class then they should get it BUT if the lore doesnt support it I feel the game could wait for a more lore appropriate race to have a pet class... Otherwise when the other race comes in without a pet class peeps will be irate.

Moreover IF the HE has the next "pet class" for the good guy team and IF this pet class will play a bit like a starndard DPS pet class can someone tell me if the destruction team has somethign similar to the engineer?

gotta run...

[PlagueLord]

i hate pet classes, it just makes your character weak without the pet.

[Estebar]

i hate pet classes, it just makes your character weak without the pet. My thoughts exactly. And I want a strong White Lion. He's the strongest of the High Elves for christs sake!

[mongoose]

My thoughts exactly. And I want a strong White Lion. He's the strongest of the High Elves for christs sake!

So does this mean you wont be playing a White Lion if they are indeed the pet class?

(and we should be finding out ANY time now :mad:)

[Smachaz]

So does this mean you wont be playing a White Lion if they are indeed the pet class?

(and we should be finding out ANY time now :mad:)

Hopefully.. They are still chances they won't be any pets in the Concept Art leaving us to guess.

Pets, no pets, imma choose a White Lion anyways.

[Estebar]

So does this mean you wont be playing a White Lion if they are indeed the pet class?



Pets, no pets, imma choose a White Lion anyways.

Yeah, what Smachaz said. ;) I'll probably stick with a White Lion through-and-through.

Although, I'm hoping for a serious design adjustment, just as they did with the Swordmaster (from this (http://www.coyotesdenonline.com/images/Swordmasters%20of%20Hoeth.gif) to this (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_53.jpg)).

If I find out they've stuck with something like these clumsy pieces of crap (http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/miniature-gallery/13/) instead of redesigning it to be something more like this (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/gallery/files/4/2/2/WhiteLionofChrace.jpg) (i.e. if it looks ugly, and clumsy, and awkward next to the big white cat fighting beside it,) then I might just have a crack at a know-it-all, lore-heavy Archmage instead.

Guess we'll have to see tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. We'll know tomorrow. Yes. Yes... *rocks back and forth mumbling to himself*

[Fusko]

Guess we'll have to see tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow. We'll know tomorrow. Yes. Yes... *rocks back and forth mumbling to himself*
*coughtodaycough* ;-)

For generations, the White Lions of Chrace have defended Ulthuan and the Phoenix Throne. Only the strongest and most skillful warriors and hunters of the kingdom earn membership in the White Lions. To prove his worth, each initiate must defeat in single combat one of the fierce creatures for whom the unit is named. Sometimes a bond forms between the lion and his master, and they accept one another as equals. For any who stand against these noble warriors of Chrace, it is a deadly combination.

If thats not a hint at something, then I don't know what is.

[Estebar]

Where did you get that quote from?

EDIT: OH MY GOD THE NEWSLETTERS HERE

[Vaeronthar]

Where did you get that quote from?

EDIT: OH MY GOD THE NEWSLETTERS HERE
You okay, man?

[Nunizillion]

Aren't Warhammer dragons sentient and not beasts? When you see one being ridden it is either a partnership or the rider somehow enslaved it.



*eye twitch* the word.... is not... sentient. It's Sapience.
sorry big pet peve of mine is how modern media forms get the two so very very confused (Im looking at you PETA!) im not attacking your or anything just trying to straighten something up.

sentient is the ability to perceive things around you, take in information from your environment, but does not nessisarialy pertain to higher states of though or self awarness.

Sapeience is the ability to precive your enironment, and act acordingly, not by instinct. The ability to be contemplative, to be able to judge, to apreciate, and to be wise.

Humans are sapient.

animals are indeed sentient, but that does not imply intelegence, and defintly not on the scale of the human mind.

dragons are sapient in the warhammer world yes, although a lot of races seem to think of them as mere beasts.

[Grimald]

So what was optimus prime on about when he said "freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

[Gemini]

So what was optimus prime on about when he said "freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

Maybe he hates zoos?

[Feigro]

So what was optimus prime on about when he said "freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

sorry big pet peve of mine is how modern media forms get the two so very very confused...

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[Grimald]

Sentient-
1. Having sense perception; conscious
2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

Sapient-
Having great wisdom and discernment.

from The free dictionary online.

[Nunizillion]

Sentient-
1. Having sense perception; conscious
2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

Sapient-
Having great wisdom and discernment.

from The free dictionary online.

exactly. an animal feels it when you shoot it or hit it, it can tell if the ground is cold or hot. It does not nesicarly conect or figure out why the ground is hot, or how to maybe solve it. It only knows that its hot and it burns its feet.

[Nunizillion]

So what was optimus prime on about when he said "freedom is the right of all sentient beings"

the writers had grown up watchin star trek and other shows which called other beings sentient. while that is technicaly true, they're useing it the wrong way. theyre useing sentient to imply intelegence, which it dosnt. all it means is that they can feel and percieve. if they want to imply that the species kirk just met was intelegent, the correct word would be sapient.

optomus ment spaient beings. or at least I imagine he did. Maybe he wants freedom for all forms of life, although I doubt megatron was interested in enslaveing cows.... although he probobly would have enjoyed killing them ;P

[Avatar Of War]

the writers had grown up watchin star trek and other shows which called other beings sentient. while that is technicaly true, they're useing it the wrong way. theyre useing sentient to imply intelegence, which it dosnt. all it means is that they can feel and percieve. if they want to imply that the species kirk just met was intelegent, the correct word would be sapient.

optomus ment spaient beings. or at least I imagine he did. Maybe he wants freedom for all forms of life, although I doubt megatron was interested in enslaveing cows.... although he probobly would have enjoyed killing them ;P

I'm telling you man cow's are sapient... Just go to India and they will tell you... I can hear them in the fields at night.. planning, plotting, and waiting...

And they already have the first few stages implement...

Diary products are everywhere.... In every country.. in every fridge..

You have been warned!

[Hayden]

I'm telling you man cow's are sapient... Just go to India and they will tell you... I can hear them in the fields at night.. planning, plotting, and waiting...

And they already have the first few stages implement...

Diary products are everywhere.... In every country.. in every fridge..

You have been warned!
Don’t kid yourself, Jimmy. If a cow ever got the chance, he’d eat you and everyone you care about!

But seriously I'll be playing a White Lion either way. I don't like pet classes but I'm sure you can specialize in your own power and neglect the pet. If anything it will just make leveling a little easier and hopefully you can name the lion whatever you want. You are gonna see many a SIMBA.

[wellsy]

Well, while we're on the topic of lion names, why don't we make a list:

Tiny
Aslan
Simba
Kimba
Musafa


Any others that will be spammed to all hell come release?

[Gemini]

Any others that will be spammed to all hell come release?

Spike, Fido, Snoopy, Fang, Jaws, or pretty much any pet name associated with dogs.

[Grimald]

Lions are part of the Cat family, not the dog family. If anyone named their lion after a dog they would be mocked and taunted for the rest of their gaming experience :p

[Smachaz]

Well, while we're on the topic of lion names, why don't we make a list:

Tiny
Aslan
Simba
Kimba
Musafa


Any others that will be spammed to all hell come release?

Is Mr.BigglesWorth off limits?

[Vaeronthar]

Well, while we're on the topic of lion names, why don't we make a list:
Tiny
Aslan
Simba
Kimba
Musafa
Any others that will be spammed to all hell come release?
Don't forget Scar and Garfield.

[Gemini]

Lions are part of the Cat family, not the dog family. If anyone named their lion after a dog they would be mocked and taunted for the rest of their gaming experience :p

I'm quite aware that they are cats, but I completely expect to see lots of dog names anyway.

[Avatar Of War]

When i learn how to link properly i will link my list of names that will make me homicidal (thats in another thread). Its much longer... and from a few days ago...
Copy and paste for teh win!


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Originally Posted by Baradun http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/images/WHA/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?p=539681#post539681)
All I can say is, the first White Lion I see with the name "Kimba" Ahm off tah eat some porridge an' raw meat then its <<"THREE PEICES">> time for the elves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nur_fWvG4MM

Racist senses tingling.... I smell 70's exploitation cartoon.. The white king of the animals in deepest, darkest Africa?
Must... restrain... self... from... ranting....


I plan on making a White Lion if they are confirmed as a class, but I am dreading the names for both Players and pets.

Here is a small list of names that I will make it my lifes goal to hunt down and kill their owners if I see them in game:
- Kimba
- Simba
- Aslan
- Siegfried
- Roy
- The names of any of Siegfried and Roy's cats
- Steve Irwin ( I know the is the crocadile hunter but... you know and I know some chuckle nut will do it... probably on a Squig herder(teeth) gut if not it will definately be someone with a with a white lion character)
- The guy from Wild America
- Tarzan
- Boy
- George
- Kitty (or any variant of said name)
- Leo, Leopold, leon, Lion-O, ect. ad infinitum
- Panthro
- Cheetara
- Wily Kat and Kit
- Any other member of the Thunder Cats(tm)
- Cat Women
- Every character from the Lion King
- Every character from the Jungle Book (especially Shir Khan and Bagera)
- Fluffy
- Cuddles
- Mr/Mrs. Whisker
- Anyone making an innuendo reference to a womens sexual organs..

Actually I might just be better off making a dark elf and just spend my time hunting While Lionse exclusively... otherwise i will be to busy dueling other While lions to lvl..

I wonder if you can macro inappropriate name petitions.. or get a GM on friends list and speed dial?:rolleyes:

[Athenys]

You forgot one :p... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcj5wNL_5M)

[Smachaz]

You forgot one :p... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQcj5wNL_5M)

I watched all 7:43 of that. Man, sheep sure can be jerks. :(

[wellsy]

The plural of sheep is... sheep.

Go figure.

Nice list of names we've got going.