High Elves and Facial Hair

[D4nnYb0Y]

Just wondering if High Elves can grow facial hair in Warhammer Fantasy, and if they can, are there any actual examples of it in the tabletop i.e. a miniature with a beard/mustache of some kind. If the answer is no, then I ask why not? Is there an inability, or is it just tradition?

[Krulltak]

Elves in Warhammer have no facial hair as far as I know.

[Grimfell Gromgear]

Don't quote me on this (I know lore but not as much as some), I've heard High Elves CAN grow facial hair but choose not to and shave frequently to distance themselves from the Dwarfs.

[Krulltak]

Don't quote me on this (I know lore but not as much as some), I've heard High Elves CAN grow facial hair but choose not to and shave frequently to distance themselves from the Dwarfs.

Now that I think of it I remember a GW artwork of an elf with a small goatee.


EDIT: Never mind, it was something completly different. Just a piece of shoulder aarmor that looked like a goatee.

[Zunjin]

If I dont remember it wrong, dark elves did have mustaches atleast in the Malus Darkblade books, but I dont know if that is real background material.

[Thoden Firehammer]

If I dont remember it wrong, dark elves did have mustaches atleast in the Malus Darkblade books, but I dont know if that is real background material.

High Elves don't have facial hair, after the War of Vengence (beard) they passed a law making it illegal for High Elves to have facial hair.

However the Dark Elves can have Facial hair, they wern't in the War.

[Vaeronthar]

Could you cite a source for that, Thoden? I'd like to see it for myself.

[Lucrece]

Could you cite a source for that, Thoden? I'd like to see it for myself.

Why would he lie about that? ;p

[Vaeronthar]

He wouldn't. I just want to see for myself.

[Thoden Firehammer]

He wouldn't. I just want to see for myself.


That's odd, I remember seeing it some where, I checked the War of the beard story because I thought it was there, but I don't see it.

Ask Snorri I think that's where I might of got it from.

[Athenys]

In a nutshell: Yes. Many elven males probably can grow mustaches at very least though these are less abundant than those of most humans, in keeping with the elves' lesser amount of body hair. The reason why most Asur probably don't wear them is because they are considered 'uncouth' and they wish to distance themselves from humans and dwarfs . Then again a beard keeps your face warm and requires less in the way of shaving. Given where Druchii now live, facial hair is as much a sign of rebellion against Asur norms as a show of rugged practicality. It's certainly a better explanation than:

Its obvious why most elves are beardless. Survival of the fittest.

The elves who , generations back, grew great streaming beards down to their feet tripped when fleeing from the enemy, and were caught and killed. Those hiding in the forest were spotted by their beard and killed. Those in battle became entangled in their beards and easy prey for the enemy. Also, those with beards were overlooked by the lady elves because it diminished from their looks and sexual appeal. Finally, those elves with long beards tending to the holy shrines of Asuryan more often than not found themselves consumed by fire, as their facial hair had dropped and dragged through flaming braziers and hearths.

As such, bearded elves' genes passed out of existence.

[Paintbrush-WHA]

I thought only Tanis had facial hair. :roll:

(tee hee.)

[Revlid]

Most can't, simply as a matter of genetics. They just can't grow any facial hair at all. It's part of the reason why Dwarfs consider them girly.
Remember, they're not human.

And yes, in Dan Abnett's Malus Darkblade books some Dark Elves have goatees. However, Mr. Abnett is renowned for his tendency (despite being a fantastic writer) to use the set-in-stone existing background as a vague guideline.

High Elves don't have facial hair, after the War of Vengence (beard) they passed a law making it illegal for High Elves to have facial hair.

This, on the other hand, is patently rubbish.

[Vikingkingq]

I thought only Tanis had facial hair. :roll:

(tee hee.)

Ah, Dragonlance. That was back in the day, and Tanis was still an emo.

[Axxar]

EDIT: Never mind, it was something completly different. Just a piece of shoulder aarmor that looked like a goatee.Shoulder pads made of high elves with goatees? That can't be very sturdy - nor very fashionable.

[Evander]

No facialhair?
This is madness...

[Vaeronthar]

No facialhair?
This is madness...
Madness?! THIS IS UL-

...Yeah, sorry. Won't happen again.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Madness?! THIS IS UL-

...Yeah, sorry. Won't happen again.

Bad Vaer, bad! :P

Most can't, simply as a matter of genetics. They just can't grow any facial hair at all. It's part of the reason why Dwarfs consider them girly.
Remember, they're not human.

And yes, in Dan Abnett's Malus Darkblade books some Dark Elves have goatees. However, Mr. Abnett is renowned for his tendency (despite being a fantastic writer) to use the set-in-stone existing background as a vague guideline.



This, on the other hand, is patently rubbish.

Thanks for the insult, I can't find that thing I read, but it stated that after the War of the Beard/Vengence the High Elves outlawed the growing of beards.

I'm going to have to send Snorri a PM on this because I could have sworn I read something on this.

Well what you also need to do is question why the current, and even older editions of High Elf art does not have any facial hair in it

[Captbigbeard]

Well to grow beards don't you need to be a man?

hmm...I can see how the elves have problem when it comes to facial hair.

[Eredhel]

Well to grow beards don't you need to be a man?

hmm...I can see how the elves have problem when it comes to facial hair.

Wow that is so original! Did you think that up yourself? :p

[Kraven]

Well to grow beards don't you need to be a man?

hmm...I can see how the elves have problem when it comes to facial hair.


Coming from a dwarf, the race where women can grow beards aye?

[Okri]

Coming from a dwarf, the race where women can grow beards aye?

A common misconception, which I blame solely on a single line of the movie, "The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers".

*clears throat*

Female Dwarfs do NOT have beards. There, now stop the nonsense.

[Snorri]

Sorry Thoden, it wasn't from me that you heard that tale.

Though I can tell you that I have heard it told before; I remember reading it in another thread on these forums somewhere. Not sure if it is official or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if the High Elfs choose to regularly shave... they do, after all, spend half their time prancing up and down in front of mirrors, preening themselves, and obsessing over their looks - but the latter can be improved dramatically by a little axe work I've discovered.

*Ahem*

I'll go see what I can find. :)

Edit:

I presumed it was actually a genetic inability... but I could be wrong.

[Captbigbeard]

Wow that is so original! Did you think that up yourself? :p

I did! And I'm very proud of my simi witty comment!

[Vaeronthar]

I did! And I'm very proud of my simi witty comment!Semi-witty? That was quasi at best.

[Krulltak]

Semi-witty? That was quasi at best.

It was generic at best.

[Thoden Firehammer]

It was generic at best.

Damn'd right it was generic, Bigbeard is takin meh elf bashin job!!

[Athenys]

Forgot what BL novel it was in, but I specifically remember 'clean-shaven' being used in reference to HE grooming practices. People who can't grow facial hair don't need to shave, which means elven men definitely grow facial hair! It sounds strange but it doesn't look bad at all, even on a HE:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/uranai.jpg

Remember, they're not human.

By that criteria they should all be bald with no eyelashes or eyebrows. This is obviously not the case, so having any non-human species with so many external characteristics in common with humanity is a case of convergent evolution. Either that or who is to say humans, elves and dwarfs didn't come from the same root stock? That the Slann then took and tweaked to their liking. Human males have more facial and body hair for a reason, same apparently goes for elven males. I am fairly certain the basic growth pattern is almost identical in both species...yes even down *there* :rolleyes:.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Forgot what BL novel it was in, but I specifically remember 'clean-shaven' being used in reference to HE grooming practices. People who can't grow facial hair don't need to shave, which means elven men definitely grow facial hair! It sounds strange but it doesn't look bad at all, even on a HE:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/uranai.jpg

Well Snorri's idea is out, I wonder if I was right then.

[Lord Tareq]

Well Snorri's idea is out, I wonder if I was right then.

You mean just like you were right with the hammerers should use axes idea you had?
No considering your credibility I highly doubt you are right. ;)

[QuantumTheory]

Forgot what BL novel it was in, but I specifically remember 'clean-shaven' being used in reference to HE grooming practices. People who can't grow facial hair don't need to shave, which means elven men definitely grow facial hair! It sounds strange but it doesn't look bad at all, even on a HE:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...lek/uranai.jpg (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/uranai.jpg)

Quote:
LoL, what's this?
By that criteria they should all be bald with no eyelashes or eyebrows. This is obviously not the case, so having any non-human species with so many external characteristics in common with humanity is a case of convergent evolution. Either that or who is to say humans, elves and dwarfs didn't come from the same root stock? That the Slann then took and tweaked to their liking. Human males have more facial and body hair for a reason, same apparently goes for elven males. I am fairly certain the basic growth pattern is almost identical in both species...yes even down *there* :rolleyes:.
Aaarrrgghhh, by Grimnir's axe that is ugly. Seriously, that is freaky, makes him look more like a girl.

*shudders*

Elves can grow no beard. Bear-growing is a hallowed art reserved only to the pure (Dwarfs in particular, and to a lesser extent, humans). Filthy Elves, how can anyone imagine them with beards, a pox on the name of Great Beard that would be.

[Captbigbeard]

You mean just like you were right with the hammerers should use axes idea you had?
No considering your credibility I highly doubt you are right. ;)

OMG burn! That was cruel man. Poor Thoden :(


Elves can grow no beard. Bear-growing is a hallowed art reserved only to the pure (Dwarfs in particular, and to a lesser extent, humans). Filthy Elves, how can anyone imagine them with beards, a pox on the name of Great Beard that would be.

I can imagine it alright... and I don't like the mental picture. If elves had beards, at least we could tell the sexes apart.

[Apocryphus]

http://us.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/games/warhammer/woodelves/painting/500_len/images/caster_front_lg.jpg

Len Sullivan's Wood Elf Spellsinger from his 500 pt list.

If Wood Elves can grow facial hair, and they're the same species as high elves, it would stand to reason that high Elves can grow beards, they simply choose not to.

[QuantumTheory]

http://us.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/games/warhammer/woodelves/painting/500_len/images/caster_front_lg.jpg

Len Sullivan's Wood Elf Spellsinger from his 500 pt list.

If Wood Elves can grow facial hair, and they're the same species as high elves, it would stand to reason that high Elves can grow beards, they simply choose not to.

I reject that statement. That is probably just a very old human who is playing tricks on the Wood Elf community, or it is a demon who has decided to corrupt the Elves and has turned into a Spellsinger, but he got the crucial part wrong.

[Thoden Firehammer]

You mean just like you were right with the hammerers should use axes idea you had?
No considering your credibility I highly doubt you are right. ;)


Ahh Tareq, follow these steps,

1. Open mouth
2. Insert foot

Ad Hominem is not a proper way to discuss things, and it only server to show you're own stupidity


And I never claimed Hammerers should have axes, because that is a statement, it was a... I think 6 month old post on asking if Hammerer could use axes, and once again when I posted that I wasn't thinking propery, now using something as such to try to discredit all my other posts is a pretty immature thing to do, if you want to discuss things, than discuss them, but don't be a troll


OMG burn! That was cruel man. Poor Thoden :(


Quiet yeh elf loving git, yer just as incompetent as he is.


http://us.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/games/warhammer/woodelves/painting/500_len/images/caster_front_lg.jpg

Len Sullivan's Wood Elf Spellsinger from his 500 pt list.

If Wood Elves can grow facial hair, and they're the same species as high elves, it would stand to reason that high Elves can grow beards, they simply choose not to.


That's a Wood Elf, not a High Elf, yes they are the same species, but they're not subject to the same laws, my claim was that after the War of the Beard/Vengence the High Elf King or maybey it was even during the war, but either way my claim is that they outlawed the growth of a beard of any kind

[Athenys]

Seriously, that is freaky, makes him look more like a girl.

Playing with his hair is what makes him look like a girl ;). The beard counteracts that by anchoring his somewhat tenuous connection to the male gender :p. Also see how very neatly it's trimmed? I'll say it again, WAR HE are the epitome of metro...

[QuantumTheory]

Ahh Tareq, follow these steps,

1. Open mouth
2. Insert foot

Ad Hominem is not a proper way to discuss things, and it only server to show you're own stupidity


And I never claimed Hammerers should have axes, because that is a statement, it was a... I think 6 month old post on asking if Hammerer could use axes, and once again when I posted that I wasn't thinking propery, now using something as such to try to discredit all my other posts is a pretty immature thing to do, if you want to discuss things, than discuss them, but don't be a troll




Quiet yeh elf loving git, yer just as incompetent as he is.





That's a Wood Elf, not a High Elf, yes they are the same species, but they're not subject to the same laws, my claim was that after the War of the Beard/Vengence the High Elf King or maybey it was even during the war, but either way my claim is that they outlawed the growth of a beard of any kind

*Sits back, buys some ale and popcorn and waits for the hellish flames...*

Comon yeh Capt and Thoden, yeh mangy morons, yeh're better Dwarfs than this, I'm rightly shocked now, yeh used teh be as good as any Dwarf. But now, yeh're here at the Elgi doorstep, the only active Dawi here, and yeh're fighting between each other about who loves Elgi and who dun't. Wha' kinda men are yeh. We're Dwarfs, we're a bright, strong, intelligen' but nevertheless endangered race, and we should be bandin' together. Yeh Morons I oughtta-

(3rd last word is a joke)


Playing with his hair is what makes him look like a girl :wink:. The beard counteracts that by anchoring his somewhat tenuous connection to the male gender :razz:. Also see how very neatly it's trimmed? I'll say it again, WAR HE are the epitome of metro...


Yea, problem is that the wierd face (which already looks more girly than Boy George's face) somehow combines with the hallowed beard to make a spawn so terrible and ugly, it's insanity. An' it's not the beard that's doin' it, it's the face, a face such that it just cannot combine with a beard. Always remember young Athenys, the beard is never on the face, it's the face tha's on the beard.

[Lord Tareq]

The spartans did their hair and made sure they looked well before going to battle. Does this make Elves as manly as Spartans?


Ahh Tareq, follow these steps,

1. Open mouth
2. Insert foot



I would if you could even hope to reach it, dwarf.

[Thoden Firehammer]

The spartans did their hair and made sure they looked well before going to battle. Does this make Elves as manly as Spartans?




I would if you could even hope to reach it, dwarf.


Is that the best you could do, you're not even adding anything to this discussion with the exception of insults and atemtping to turn this into an ad hominem discussion I think that's called trolling....

[Dagoth]

Forgot what BL novel it was in, but I specifically remember 'clean-shaven' being used in reference to HE grooming practices. People who can't grow facial hair don't need to shave, which means elven men definitely grow facial hair! It sounds strange but it doesn't look bad at all, even on a HE:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...lek/uranai.jpg (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/uranai.jpg)


Even with that beard, that is the girliest elf I´ve ever seen, seriously.

And that "wood elf" looks like an old human amber wizard mini.

[QuantumTheory]

The spartans did their hair and made sure they looked well before going to battle. Does this make Elves as manly as Spartans?




I would if you could even hope to reach it, dwarf.

Maybe I can't reach it, but my Great 40 kilo hammer sure can. I'm gonna fill you mouth to the brim and beyond with Dwarfen hard hammer steel. We'll see if you petty magics will help you talk then ye cowardly fool.

[Snorri]

You mean just like you were right with the hammerers should use axes idea you had?
No considering your credibility I highly doubt you are right. ;)

Wait... are you saying, that iny our entire life, you;ve never said/suggetsed anything vaguely stupid? Of course you have. Should we immediately discredit everything you say in the future because it it. No. :p

I would if you could even hope to reach it, dwarf.
<*Slowly downs his tankard whislt pondering the elf's statement*>

"Eh? What's that got to do with anything. He gave you instructions to follow, why would he want to go anywhere near an Elgi's mouth? You elf-folk are strange in the head I tells ya."

<*Scratches beard in thought*>

"Unless of course he wanted to ram that foot of yours down your throat personally; in which case he'd topple you to the floor by carving your legs off, and then proceed to shovel those little pinkies into yer' gob!!"

Forgot what BL novel it was in, but I specifically remember 'clean-shaven' being used in reference to HE grooming practices. People who can't grow facial hair don't need to shave, which means elven men definitely grow facial hair! It sounds strange but it doesn't look bad at all, even on a HE:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...lek/uranai.jpg

Damn that's freaky looking!!

I wonder whether Thoden's theory of banning the growth of facial hair amongst the elgi could be correct then...

The plot thickens.

[Captbigbeard]

The spartans did their hair and made sure they looked well before going to battle. Does this make Elves as manly as Spartans?




I would if you could even hope to reach it, dwarf.

Pfhhh, asking if Elves are as manly as spartans? I think everyone knows the answer to that.

NO!

And thats saying something, because the spartans were pretty damn .

[Boris Olfhamar]

How dare you insult the greatest race of warriors the world has ever known. And they were not necessarily , they were less indulgent in homosexual activities than the Athenians were; and either way, they developed a sort of brother/father love with their instructor or captain, and the relationships were not necessarily sexual, but moreso of a genuine love/respect. Sort of how the Bible describes the Apostles loving each other, but not in a sexual manner, but they possessed a genuine affection/love/respect or whatever you want to call it for one another. They encouraged this behavior in order to create a tighter-knit brotherhood of warriors that trusted one another on the battlefield, they didn't sit around banging each other in the barracks. Through the bonding with a mentor, Spartans developed intimate relationships that aided them well in battle, but these pacts between warriors were not entirely sexual, if at all.

[Captbigbeard]

Lol, don't worry, i may have cracked a joke, but that doesn’t mean I don't respect 'um. Spartans were the PERFECT solders. Perhaps the best the world has ever seen. Every part of their life was dedicated to becoming a better warrior. Which was their strength... and their downfall. However, don't be so quick to defend them, they were an incredibly dark people. In truth it was the Persians who may have been closer to the good guys. Of course the world is gray, so there is no good or bad all the time.

While on on this off topic topic. Let me just say Xerxes does not get the respect he deserves (thanks to 300). He was not just a king, he was a warrior king. He may not have been as tough as the spartans, but he had to pass trails that would kill a lesser man.

But they were "" in the definition of the term. They were encouraged to... love each other. Like brothers and then some ;). In truth this only made them stronger. What better way to be at your best then to defend your lover.

[Athenys]

I wouldn't say all HE are '', but they are...adventurous. Based on the fluff they also have quite a sex drive, so it wouldn't be too strange for some HE men to 'bond' in more ways than one...erm. Imagine when they go off to fight abroad, away from females of their kind for months to a few years. I don't know how well most HE males would hold up, even with their legendary racial pride. IMO quite a few would end up getting frisky with any attractive human woman they could find. What happens in the Old World, stays in the Old World ;)...

[Thoden Firehammer]

I wouldn't say all HE are '', but they are...adventurous. Based on the fluff they also have quite a sex drive, so it wouldn't be too strange for some HE men to 'bond' in more ways than one...erm. Imagine when they go off to fight abroad, away from females of their kind for months to a few years. I don't know how well most HE males would hold up, even with their legendary racial pride. IMO quite a few would end up getting frisky with any attractive human woman they could find. What happens in the Old World, stays in the Old World ;)...


Quite the sex drive eh?

Never read about that in the lore, I think you've been having one too many of your dreams :P

[Apocryphus]

Yea, problem is that the wierd face somehow combines with the hallowed beard to make a spawn so terrible and ugly, it's insanity.

Spawns? Insanity? When did the Chaos Dwarves arrive? :p

[Hayden]

Quite the sex drive eh?

Never read about that in the lore, I think you've been having one too many of your dreams :P
I'd have to agree with you on that.

Some people have been reading elf fan fiction a little too much.

[Selendor]

Dark Elves, maybe. Especially the Slaanesh ones. But High Elves are a dying race.

[Captbigbeard]

I'd have to agree with you on that.

Some people have been reading elf fan fiction a little too much.

No their right. I've heard it before too. Giantslayer perhaps.

HE's do tend to have quite the abnormal sex drive.

[Athenys]

Quite the sex drive eh? Never read about that in the lore, I think you've been having one too many of your dreams :P

No offense Thoden, but I think you need to read more BL novels ;)...

I'd have to agree with you on that.
Some people have been reading elf fan fiction a little too much.

Why would I bother making something like that up :confused:? Do you consider 'Giantslayer', 'Guardians of the Forest' AND the entire Darkblade series fan fiction? Those sources are official and the only conclusion anyone could possibly draw from them is that unlike Tolkien's Elves, Warhammer elves are overly sensual creatures. You see, this along with their arrogance is part of their dark side. Cultural trappings aside, the same tendencies are found in the Asrai, Asur and (especially) Druchii. I'd even wager that many humans are more 'prudish' in that regard. That much was obvious in 'Guardians of the Forest'. Even Bill King, who was responsible for a lot of the original HE background stated that elves are inherently bipolar:

Bipolar Mania

* Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement
* Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile
* Restlessness, increased energy and less need for sleep
* Rapid talk, talkativeness
* Distractibility
* Racing thoughts
* High sex drive
* Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans
* Tendency to show poor judgment, such as deciding to quit a job
* Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity -- unrealistic beliefs in one's ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional
* Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs or ill-advised business decisions)


I also recall another person who works for the BL calling them 'louche and decadent'. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they meant by that :rolleyes:...

[Apocryphus]

Why would I bother making something like that up :confused:? Do you consider 'Giantslayer', 'Guardians of the Forest' AND the entire Darkblade series fan fiction? Those sources are official and the only conclusion anyone could possibly draw from them is that unlike Tolkien's Elves, Warhammer elves are overly sensual creatures. You see, this along with their arrogance is part of their dark side. Cultural trappings aside, the same tendencies are found in the Asrai, Asur and (especially) Druchii. I'd even wager that many humans are more 'prudish' in that regard. That much was obvious in 'Guardians of the Forests'. Even Bill King, who was responsible for a lot of the original HE background pretty much spelled it out. I also recall another person who works for the BL calling them 'louche and decadent'.

The only parts of the Darkblade series that I remember being even remotely sensual were during Bloodstorm (Slaanesh knows what I'm talking about ;)). Other than that he spent a few nights in brothels at Hag Graef, before the third book, and was briefly romantically engaged with the girl in Daemon's Curse, at least she thought so anyway. Out of five 400+ page books, you may find 10 pages of sexual activity. Point is, most of the Darkblade series was spent fighting or arguing with Tzarkan, not going on some sexual romp. That's not to say Dark Elves don't swing, but Malus Darkblade just didn't have the time.

[Athenys]

It's more implied than stated outright, but adult themes are found throughout the entire series. First chapter: a Brettonian captive is by most of the crew on Malus' ship and then skinned alive by him. Malus and Nagaira 'make up for lost time' and later on she organizes a 'party' for him, Caligula style. Isilvar is flat out addicted to booze, drugs and women. Ever the pillar of Khainite devotion, Urial lusts after his own sister so badly it's not even funny. Speaking of which, there's Yasmir and her multiple boyfriends, who are all in the same room expressing their 'affection'... at the same time O_o. Oh and she sleeps with her eldest brother too...which is why she gets miffed when she finds him in bed with his first mate. I could go on, but it would only prove my point *facepalm*.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Why would I bother making something like that up :confused:? Do you consider 'Giantslayer', 'Guardians of the Forest' AND the entire Darkblade series fan fiction? Those sources are official and the only conclusion anyone could possibly draw from them is that unlike Tolkien's Elves, Warhammer elves are overly sensual creatures. You see, this along with their arrogance is part of their dark side. Cultural trappings aside, the same tendencies are found in the Asrai, Asur and (especially) Druchii. I'd even wager that many humans are more 'prudish' in that regard. That much was obvious in 'Guardians of the Forest'. Even Bill King, who was responsible for a lot of the original HE background stated that elves are inherently bipolar:

Bipolar Mania

* Excessive happiness, hopefulness, and excitement
* Sudden changes from being joyful to being irritable, angry, and hostile
* Restlessness, increased energy and less need for sleep
* Rapid talk, talkativeness
* Distractibility
* Racing thoughts
* High sex drive
* Tendency to make grand and unattainable plans
* Tendency to show poor judgment, such as deciding to quit a job
* Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity -- unrealistic beliefs in one's ability, intelligence, and powers; may be delusional
* Increased reckless behaviors (such as lavish spending sprees, impulsive sexual indiscretions, abuse of alcohol or drugs or ill-advised business decisions)


I also recall another person who works for the BL calling them 'louche and decadent'. I'll leave it to you to figure out what they meant by that :rolleyes:...


Sounds like dark Elves.....but either way I now know what I should do as the best insult if there's another war between the Dwarfs and Elves.

They cut off our beards, we cut off their genitals

[Athenys]

Sounds like dark Elves...

Remember that Druchii are merely Asur with all of the brakes off. Bunch of pointy-eared pervs :x...


They cut off our beards, we cut off their genitals

Spoken like a true dwarf :D. I daresay the prospect of a life without would end up killing most of them :p!

[Thoden Firehammer]

LOL. Spoken like a true dwarf, I daresay that would really kill a lot of them :p!



Warhammer elves are by our definition pervs. Remember that Druchii are merely Asur with all of the brakes off.

Heh you have a point.

Thanks Athenys, you've given me even more terror tactics against them elves.

I think I need to buy myself a dagger or a miniaxe....i'll need to give it a name..

I got it! the Manhood Taker.

[Athenys]

Too general. For Elgi try...'Minnowcleaver'.

[Thoden Firehammer]

Too general. For Elgi try...'Minnowcleaver'.


Brilliant!!

You know it's a shame we have to kill each other, even though you're an elf, I think you'd make a great ally XD

[Apocryphus]

It's more implied than stated outright, but adult themes are found throughout the entire series. First chapter: a Brettonian captive is by most of the crew on Malus' ship and then skinned alive by him. Malus and Nagaira 'make up for lost time' and later on she organizes a 'party' for him, Caligula style. Isilvar is flat out addicted to booze, drugs and women. Ever the pillar of Khainite devotion, Urial lusts after his own sister so badly it's not even funny. Speaking of which, there's Yasmir and her multiple boyfriends, who are all in the same room expressing their 'affection'... at the same time O_o. Oh and she sleeps with her eldest brother too...which is why she gets miffed when she finds him in bed with his first mate. I could go on, but it would only prove my point *facepalm*.

Intrigue has always been part of the Dark Elves. That's one of the qualities that makes them so fun. I was referencing the 'party' in my post, which seems to have gone overlooked. I didn't want to spoil the series for anyone who hasn't read it yet. As for Yasmir, show me a medieval noble that didn't sleep around. For the time period around which Warhammer is based, the things you describe are commonplace, especially for the children of nobility, who had nothing better to do back then but sleep around, kill each other, and drink. Though, I don't remember all of her boyfriends expressing their 'affection', I do remember them partaking in gladiatorial combat in front of her for her attentions. I know I said I didn't want to ruin anything for anyone, but you seem to have let the cat out of the bag already. Even counting all those allusions, we're still not even talking about a gigantic chunk of the story here.

[Athenys]

I was referencing the 'party' in my post, which seems to have gone overlooked. I didn't want to spoil the series for anyone who hasn't read it yet.

It was a bit vague for those unfamiliar with the novel, so I went into more detail. I only revealed what was necessary to support my argument, all without giving away the actual plot .

As for Yasmir, show me a medieval noble that didn't sleep around. For the time period around which Warhammer is based, the things you describe are commonplace, especially for the children of nobility, who had nothing better to do back then but sleep around, kill each other, and drink.

Indeed, just comes to show you that WF elves are at least as 'sex-crazed' as humans and I'd argue that in some cases (namely DE) even moreso.

Though, I don't remember all of her boyfriends expressing their 'affection', I do remember them partaking in gladiatorial combat in front of her for her attentions.

Later in the same book, *spoiler* Malus forces his way into her quarters and catches a group of her admirers with their pants down...quite literally. *spoiler* it's on page 173.

[Apocryphus]

I thought you were arguing that elves had abnormally active sex drives. My mistake. How did we start talking about elf sex anyway? :p

[Athenys]

Many HE do their share of bedhopping despite their purported self-discipline and whatnot. Because of their natural tendency towards emotional extremes they can become...obsessive. Even when it comes to that.

It all started with the whole manly Spartans vs. HE 'they are all ' post :rolleyes:. I thought it would be best to set the record straight on what WF elves are really like in that regard, according to the official fluff. If I hear one more fruity elf joke...

To drag this thread back on topic, increased libido is a sign of high testosterone levels and incidentally so is facial hair ;).

[Arathan]

Of course, all the dwarfs' testosterone goes into growing their beards and being overly short-tempered. :>

[Irathian]

I dont think Warhammer elves have beards (which is a horrible dwarfy idea), even Woodelves which is living in a more naturalistic culture never have facial hair from any GW art or lore.

As for Highelves being a dying race, they just need to start making some babies. :p

[Barundin]

As for Highelves being a dying race, they just need to start making some babies. :p

Judging by what has been said in this thread, I find it hard to believe that they could try any more than they do now :).

[Vaeronthar]

Just because high elves are passionate doesn't mean they pop out a baby every two years or so. I mean, they've got to have a few ways around this, and I doubt they'd have children before they want them, at least most of the time.

[Nathar]

Just because high elves are passionate doesn't mean they pop out a baby every two years or so. I mean, they've got to have a few ways around this, and I doubt they'd have children before they want them, at least most of the time.

As has been mentioned by others I will say this too. Elves are alien races. We don't know if they enjoy the art of kissing more ahead of sexual relations in the way we think of it. As such their passion could be displayed as such instead of baby making and also it could be feet rubbing or as seen in some commercials armpit kissing (might just be a danish commercial.. bah).

Also there is no lore familiar to me explaining how elf babies are. They might die a lot.

Yet another thing is that chaos might treat elves in a way we don't know. We know for a fact that elves are more resistant to chaos mutations, but what if chaos has made them less fertile over the years.

Sorry this wasn't what the thread was about.... never mind me.

[Hayden]

Many HE do their share of bedhopping despite their purported self-discipline and whatnot. Because of their natural tendency towards emotional extremes they can become...obsessive. Even when it comes to that.

It all started with the whole manly Spartans vs. HE 'they are all ' post :rolleyes:. I thought it would be best to set the record straight on what WF elves are really like in that regard, according to the official fluff. If I hear one more fruity elf joke...

To drag this thread back on topic, increased libido is a sign of high testosterone levels and incidentally so is facial hair ;).
I don't know how quoting a book about Dark Elves really proves anything about High Elves. They are different? That's kinda the whole point? If a High Elf starts giving into temptation constantly eventually he is going to be a Dark Elf or devoted to Slaanesh.

I guess every race in Warhammer and 40k for that matter can be considered bedhoppers to you because they have the ability to do so. BL is also very bad at getting the lore mixed up and is last on the list in terms of importance.