Destruction Tanking classes

[Kaotik]

Black Orc: Pure tank, a lot of defense, offense limited to a sword and board

Black Guard: Less Defense than Black Orc, however augmented with a nasty Halberd and/or sword and board to out damage the Black Orc.

Chosen: Not as much defense as the Black Orc, not as much offense as the black guard but presents a unique blend of debuffs and "dirty tricks" to make up for any statistical difference.

Is this a fairly accurate assessment of the tanking classes or am I way off... I was explaining it to my buddy and he didn't understand my explanations lol

EDIT: What do YOU think would be the best tank for PvP and why?

[Adendan]

Black Orcs can use 2h fyi

[Serai]

I'm pretty sure that its actually the other way around- Black orc being the most offensive, and can also wield 2h as well. Thusly, I think the Black Orc will, because it has so many good skills to make sure his victim doesn't get away. I know the actual roles are a lot less lore-appropriate maybe, but Chaos Chosen , According to the description, will probably be the most defensive, pure tank.

[Murasume]

It looks to me like it will be something like this

Black Orc-Dirty tricks style fighting, mitigates most damage though stuns and high hp (You can kick people in the nuts according to the people who have played them at shows)

Blackguard-Offenceive tank, a enemy that is laying in three pieces under your boot isn't dealing much dps now is it?

Chosen-Defensive tank, This is mostly just a guess.

[Theomega]

I think the OP had the right idea for the most part. But perhaps the dark elf tank blends magic with his attacks, similar to the Swordmaster. All of those mentioned classes can go 1h & shield or 2h.

I believe it'll go something like this:
Dwarf/Greenskin: Best tanks
Dark Elf/High Elf: Best magic users
Empire/Chaos: Blend of both

[Chielz0r]

I think the OP had the right idea for the most part. But perhaps the dark elf tank blends magic with his attacks, similar to the Swordmaster. All of those mentioned classes can go 1h & shield or 2h.

I believe it'll go something like this:
Dwarf/Greenskin: Best tanks
Dark Elf/High Elf: Best magic users
Empire/Chaos: Blend of both

Blackguard using magic? I dont think so..
Tzeentz Chosen on the other hand..

[Relentless]

I was under the impression both Black Orks and Chosen used dirty tactics with Chosen dabbling in chaos magic. I have a feeling Black Guards are capable of mitigating more damage than you're giving them credit for.

[Zunjin]

Blackguard using magic? I dont think so..
Tzeentz Chosen on the other hand..


Would be strange having the witch kings own personal guard using magic yes. For those who dont know he had all male practice of magic forbidden somewhere in the dark elf history.

[Delve]

My thoughts:

Chosen are the debuff tanks. Pretty much defensive, whithers down the enemy while taking massive amounts of damage. Emphasis on whithering, though. Not exactly a DPSer.

Black Orc is a bit more offensive. Not a debuffer, but a dirty tricks sort of feller. Add a unique spectrum of attacks and defenses not really seen anywhere else.

Black Guard is the most offensive of the tanks, though by no means a melee DPS. Not w hole lot of information on this class yet, so anything I have to say is pure speculation based off the sexiness of the halberd <3

Just my guesses

[Redrum772]

My interprtation:

Black Orc: Heavy Tank with single target snare/disable abilities.

Chosen: Heavy Tank with AOE debuffs

Black Guard: More of an Avoidance based heavy tank.



From what I have seen so far Mythic will allow all tanks to go with 2hers and spec to be more offensive if they want.

Defensivly they should all be similare with slightly different mechanics/gimmicks.

[Pyke]

Yea I would have to agree with the rest that Chosen will be the most defensive of all the destruction classes.

As for your question about who the best is in RvR... kind of a loaded Question that I would like to say if Mythic is doing their job correctly then none of em.

But I am waiting for the mechanics about the Black Guard to be released so we understand better how they work. At the moment it would seem a healer+ black guard combo would be very deadly... also their is the problem that Order players might find it easier to try to get around the black guard then beat a path through them and you will end up with a class that players avoid whenever possible.

[Kaotik]

I know who I think will be best in RvR, it was just an addendum to spark some more conversation regarding the tanks =D

[Orochimaru]

I got the impression, based on the limited info we've gotten its something like..

Black Orc - Control based Tank: Lots of armour, lots of health and lots of control (knockdowns, stuns, snares, orciness to counter the stuntiness of their stunty opponents).

Chosen - Debuff based Tank: Lots of armour, lots of health, and magic gifts (most likely to be debuffs to counter the leadership/buffs of the KOTBS).

Black Guard - ???. Lots of armour (didn't Paul or.. the.. other dude say in the video that they're clad in incredibly heavy, strong armour so to better differentiate them from the Swordsmaster), lots of health (they are a Tank) and lots of ???. Damage is a good guess, the Swordsmasters sound like they can dish it out and the whole three pieces rant makes the Black Guard sound like of the three they'll be the more DPS orientated Tank on destructions side. No, not the DPS of a Melee DPS class, but somewhere between the DPS classes and other tanks.

All speculation I know but it at least seems a possibility.

[Foofmonger]

I got the impression, based on the limited info we've gotten its something like..

Black Orc - Control based Tank: Lots of armour, lots of health and lots of control (knockdowns, stuns, snares, orciness to counter the stuntiness of their stunty opponents).

Chosen - Debuff based Tank: Lots of armour, lots of health, and magic gifts (most likely to be debuffs to counter the leadership/buffs of the KOTBS).

Black Guard - ???. Lots of armour (didn't Paul or.. the.. other dude say in the video that they're clad in incredibly heavy, strong armour so to better differentiate them from the Swordsmaster), lots of health (they are a Tank) and lots of ???. Damage is a good guess, the Swordsmasters sound like they can dish it out and the whole three pieces rant makes the Black Guard sound like of the three they'll be the more DPS orientated Tank on destructions side. No, not the DPS of a Melee DPS class, but somewhere between the DPS classes and other tanks.

All speculation I know but it at least seems a possibility.

Seems like a solid anaylsis, although the info on the Black Guard is pretty much pure speculation at this point.

[Pyke]

Seems like a solid anaylsis, although the info on the Black Guard is pretty much pure speculation at this point.

We know a few things. Mostly just the fact that they are tanks and how hatred works. Similar to the Ironbreaker's Grudge just on a selfish level. The more you get hit the more hatred grows therefore the more damage you can inflict upon your enemy.

So I think Orochimaru got it right... Black Orc sloves his problems by controling the situation controlling the enemy. Chosen we are guessing from the limited information that the magic they get over time of the battle ( not sure how thats done) is used for Group Debuffs which would make sense. (yet again we aren't sure just seems likely unless I missed some information someone can link.) And the Black Guard doesn't slove his problem by debuffing or controlling the situation he sloves it by killing his enemy by dealing heavier "burst" of damage the longer the fight last.

[Kellaris]

I belive BG advantage over humans (chaos) and orcs will be Weapon Skill. In TT, typical elf has better WS than human or orc. And high WS gives us better chance to critical hit and lower chance for enemy to parry/dodge.

[Freax]

Black Orc: Pure tank, a lot of defense, offense limited to a sword and board

Black Guard: Less Defense than Black Orc, however augmented with a nasty Halberd and/or sword and board to out damage the Black Orc.

Chosen: Not as much defense as the Black Orc, not as much offense as the black guard but presents a unique blend of debuffs and "dirty tricks" to make up for any statistical difference.

Is this a fairly accurate assessment of the tanking classes or am I way off... I was explaining it to my buddy and he didn't understand my explanations lol

EDIT: What do YOU think would be the best tank for PvP and why?Lol, some of your descriptions are not way off but just pretty vague ;)

First Black Orcs are not entirely defense and there offense is definately not just sword n board, they use "Brawling" which is combinations of attacks that are meant to stun/knockback/disorient your opponents http://www.war-resource.com/careers/blackorc.php#abilities otherwise incapacitating enemies around him.

Chosen is a good combination of defense and offense supported by "Dark Gifts", which are spell buffs/debuffs meant to strengthen his allies and weaken his opponents. Kind of like a dark paladin.

Black Guard is suited for more offense, since there "Hatred" mechanic is focused solely on increasing there damage output the more they get attacked. Its also been mentioned that their fighting style is kind of like a pseudo-samurai, so I think it would involve alot of crazy sweeping deathblow attacks and perhaps tanking abilities that require halbards instead of shields.