Cool WoW video

[Athenys]

I am not a Warcraft fanatic, but I have to admit this guy did a decent job:

http://www.machinima.com/film/watch&id=23521&popup=true

[Thoden Firehammer]

I am not a Warcraft fanatic, but I have to admit this guy did a decent job:

http://www.machinima.com/film/watch&id=23521&popup=true


decent?

Oh come on, that was great.

[Rabbit Slayer]

ehhhh not hard to do if you know how to use aftereffects. I have never been impressed with machinima music videos they seem to be a bit of a waste. I think the best use of it is for funny videos.

[Zend]

Man I wanna get a guitar shaped like an Arcanite Reaper...

[Duppre]

I think it was quite awesome! Unlike "Rabbit slayer" I don't think this is easy to do.. no offence

[Rabbit Slayer]

I think it was quite awesome! Unlike "Rabbit slayer" I don't think this is easy to do.. no offence
do you know how to use aftereffects?

[Duppre]

do you know how to use aftereffects?
No I do not, do u?

[Rabbit Slayer]

No I do not, do u?
why yes i do its a great program in many ways it works like photoshop with layers and what not except you can animate and do many many other things. It is probably the most powerfull tool I have used. The only thing is it sucks for editing video course you are not supposed to use it for that.

[Rofllove]

You mean relatively easy to do right? Because I am pretty sure the average Joe couldn't do it

[Rabbit Slayer]

You mean relatively easy to do right? Because I am pretty sure the average Joe couldn't do it

no not at all. the average joe just needs a instructional guide. In fact there are quite a few good guides on youtube and other placeses

for example this little effect is pretty easy to do
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eWCFG9jn_gs

[mongoose]

Im getting the dreaded "page cannot be displayed message". Did the site go down? :confused:

[Fusko]

It was a great video, although I don't think I can say I quite enjoyed the music.

[Grungas Ironnose]

This is pritty awesome :grin:

Alot of great movies have been created using that game, hope in a year or two this will be true for WAR too.

[Fyaniz]

no not at all. the average joe just needs a instructional guide. In fact there are quite a few good guides on youtube and other placeses

It's actually so easy that for most things you don't even need that much help. However, just because you know how an easel and brushes work doesn't mean you can paint like Rembrandt. :)

Edit: And yeah, it's a nice video. :)

[mongoose]

It's actually so easy that for most things you don't even need that much help. However, just because you know how an easel and brushes work doesn't mean you can paint like Rembrandt. :)

Edit: And yeah, it's a nice video. :)

Excellent point and what I was going to say.

I dont care if they know how to use AF or not that video took a LOT of work to create; They had to shoose the music, decide what in game footage to capture (this includes things like visual angles, rotating, emotes, etc), capture that footage, pick and choose to match with the music, create entire sets with models (I dont think they have actual drum sets and guitars in WoW), and then compile everything and add in finishing touches.....yeah REAL easy to do. (and Im sure I missed and over generalized a lot of the process ;))

I would sugest not trivializing soomeone elses hard work Rabbit unless you would like to pony up (or rabbit up as the case may be :mrgreen:) with an equally 'unimpressive' video to show us how is "not hard to do" :rolleyes:

[Rabbit Slayer]

I would sugest not trivializing soomeone elses hard work Rabbit unless you would like to pony up (or rabbit up as the case may be :mrgreen:) with an equally 'unimpressive' video to show us how is "not hard to do" :rolleyes:


so I souldn't comment on some one elses work? All they did was have to look at any Metal video then translate it to wow. Thats why I am not a fan of Machinima music videos they aren't doing anything original or new (that and those pvp ones where they take a linkin park song and play it over various pvp clips) I prefer ones that show someones actual creativity like some of the funny ones. One of the best ones I have ever seen was The World of Roguecraft series. It was funny original and well made.

As for my work well once my friends and I get our website up and going you will see tons of it. Right now we are just working on getting enough content to make it worth while.

edit: oh also I thought I read somewhere these guys where blizzard employees can anyone confirm that?

[Baradun]

Coolest part was the Tauren drummer. Sortof like Russel off the cartoon band Gorillaz :D love to be able to animate my cartoons like that, about as far as mine go down the creative line is illustraitor / photoshop.

Which reminds me, I suppose this be as good a place as any to post it, heres a character Ah'v bin workin' on fer a coupple of weeks, Dwarf Hammer' o'course. currently designing an Orc for him to battle too ;).

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd226/Baradun_Warkilt/Warforge2.jpg

Designed a helm for him too but it looks a little too 40k, needs a bit of tweekin' here an' there. Started designin' a Warrior priest corrupted by Tzeentch but kinda got bored with him and the above is the result.

[Julius]

Better video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2_ueohYRhU)

[mongoose]

so I souldn't comment on some one elses work? All they did was have to look at any Metal video then translate it to wow. Thats why I am not a fan of Machinima music videos they aren't doing anything original or new (that and those pvp ones where they take a linkin park song and play it over various pvp clips) I prefer ones that show someones actual creativity like some of the funny ones. One of the best ones I have ever seen was The World of Roguecraft series. It was funny original and well made.

What does being original or new have to do with being good? :confused:

There is such a thing as constructive criticism and then theres what you did which was in essence saying, "meh, big deal" Ever heard the phrase, if you cant say something nice dont say anything at all ? ;)

I personally felt it was excellent work, regardless of it not being original, or using tried and true techniques. That dosent and shouldnt make the effort or quality of the work any less good.


As for my work well once my friends and I get our website up and going you will see tons of it. Right now we are just working on getting enough content to make it worth while.

And I hope you dont feel too put out if Im just as frank about whatever work you do as you were with this video. :rolleyes:

[Rabbit Slayer]

What does being original or new have to do with being good? :confused:

. :rolleyes:
ummm everything

and no I wouldn't mind you being frank about my work how can I expect to make better videos if I just do the same thing as everyone else and no one tells me what they think about it.

[kirbyy]

well it's a bit dubious to be calling other people's work "easy" and "uncreative" while not giving an example of your own work to actually show that you know what you are talking about. if you prove to be a skilled and talented video editor then i would add a whole lot of value to your opinion, but untill then you seem to me like just another elitist troll that can't accept other people getting credit.

anyway i thought this one was really well crafted. im curious how he did the models for some stuff (were the guitar and drums already in the game or did he manually add them?) though.

[Ruinx]

I would sugest not trivializing soomeone elses hard work Rabbit unless you would like to pony up (or rabbit up as the case may be :mrgreen:) with an equally 'unimpressive' video to show us how is "not hard to do" :rolleyes:

Two things Mongoose:

1) That's a plainly idiotic point of view and no mistake. If one takes it, one is not allowed to criticize anything one is not a self-declared expert in. Ludicrous. I can see bad acting and bad scriptwriting without being an expert actor or writer, and so can you.

Just like I can see a somewhat yawnsomely unoriginal "WoW video" using the AE equivalent of spamming filters in Photoshop.

2) This isn't "game footage" that's been captured. WoW models are being used as a base, but it's abundantly clear either he's using a highly modified WoW client and server (not atypical), or simply using the WoW models in another animation program. This DOES diminsh the video somewhat, in my opinion at least. Not as machinima, sure, but as a "WoW video"? Yeah. Because it ain't really a "WoW video" at all.

3) AE really IS easy to use, and comparing this drivel to Rembrandt is pretty much a deadly insult. It's not at all fair to compare paint and paintbrush to AE. It's capable of applying ENTIRE effects, without any skill required on the user's part, merely knowledge of what variable to input. As an artist myself, and someone who is familiar with both oil paints and AE (as of a few years ago), I can tell you, there's literally no comparison. Sure, you can try to claim "artistic vision", but really, these are pretty stock FX, nothing mindblowing.

It's more like comparing painting by hand to putting a stencil on something and spraypainting it, only even that doesn't work, because no stencil gave an effect this good.

Overall I'd rate this a C+. That's marking down for having a BElf female lead and bad music, though. Could I do better? I don't know, I could certainly make something I found more aesthetically pleasing and which seemed more original to me (and was BElf free), but I'd need several thousand pounds worth of programs to do it, and unwilling to commit the audacious levels of piracy necessary ;)

Kirbyy - It's not in-game footage, as I've said, and I repeat, applying the "u cant criticise unless u show better" principle means YOU, sir, are not allowed to criticise ANYTHING unless you can show better. I shall hold you and Mongoose to this foolish standard, unless you retract your position. You better not criticise any music, movies or games in any posts that I see, unless you can show better made by you. Are you an "Elitist Troll" If you say "NBA '08 for the WII really sucks!"? Apparently so, yet it does suck sir, it does still suck...

[kirbyy]

well i don't quite understand what you are saying ruinx..

i expressed that i felt like rabbit slayer's opinion would probably be more reliable to me if he showed some material of his own.

you in turn state that it doesn't matter at all if you are experienced in a particular skill or not, as everyone can have an opinion about something without knowledge of the concerning subject.

but you also say:

3) AE really IS easy to use, and comparing this drivel to Rembrandt is pretty much a deadly insult. It's not at all fair to compare paint and paintbrush to AE. It's capable of applying ENTIRE effects, without any skill required on the user's part, merely knowledge of what variable to input. As an artist myself, and someone who is familiar with both oil paints and AE (as of a few years ago), I can tell you, there's literally no comparison.

why would it be necessary to point out that you are familiar with painting and ae with the general message "believe me, i know what i am talking about" if it doesn't have any effect on the validity of your given criticism towards the video? you firmly state that it doesn't take knowledge to judge if something sucks or not, yet you are quick to say a paragraph later that you are experienced in this subject. i am curious to understand why this bit of information would be of relevance...

[Ruinx]

why would it be necessary to point out that you are familiar with painting and ae with the general message "believe me, i know what i am talking about" if it doesn't have any effect on the validity of your given criticism towards the video? you firmly state that it doesn't take knowledge to judge if something sucks or not, yet you are quick to say a paragraph later that you are experienced in this subject. i am curious to understand why this bit of information would be of relevance...

Knowing how something works != artistic skill.

I'm sorry that's a hard concept for you.

I point out my experience to explain that the given analogy is flawed and explain my criticism to people who might not understand it. Not because it is necessary to have experience to criticise. Seriously, if you can't understand that, then wow...

This is not related to your concept, which is that people aren't allowed to criticise something without having produced an equal or superior work themselves (rather than merely having an understanding of how such work is produced). Your concept is unreasonable on a wide variety of levels, from the simple unfairness that it would require someone to have spent thousands of pounds on the software (or have access to it via a college etc.), to the level that art is subjective, and whilst he may create something far more visionary, original, and skill-requiring, you might simply have bad taste and love moody BElf girls sulking ;)

TLDR: He doesn't need to be "talented" or "creative" to criticise, he needs understand how the software involved in the creation works. Geddit? As far as I can see, aside from Fyaniz, myself and Rabbit, no-one here has used AE or knows anything about it, and thus is getting all weepy because they think the video is "awesome" because of some silly AE filters. I used to market the goddamn thing when I worked at one firm (admittedly nearly a decade ago iirc, which I may not). I imagine it's moved on from then, but one of our selling points was how very easy to create amazing effects with little effort/talent.

[kirbyy]

so that would mean that you consider "knowledge of a subject" and an "opinion of art" as two different perspectives that do not interfere with each other on any level? if someone knows everything about painting techniques and is a very experienced drawer, it would still not interfere with his opinion about a given art piece in any way? because i personally consider this to be highly unlikely

[Athenys]

I point out my experience to explain that the given analogy is flawed and explain my criticism to people who might not understand it. Not because it is necessary to have experience to criticise. Seriously, if you can't understand that, then wow...



Comparatively (keyword) speaking WoW-themed videos really don't get much better than that :neutral:. Furthermore, no one has claimed it is the best video of any kind they have ever seen. When I attended art school we judged any and all work on two levels, aesthetic and technical. For example if a web project required a lot of coding and this was done flawlessly but the layout was lackluster from a design standpoint, you would receive a grade in the 80 percentile range. Digital cinematography was one of the more tedious areas of study required for my EA degree :p. Needless to say, if our earliest work would have been compared to the very best the art/design world had to offer no one would have graduated :rolleyes:. Judging from the fact that the models were modified (try working in 3D sometime) and the editing was reasonably well l done I'd give this video a 'B'. It should be judged within it's own 'lowbrow' category, comparing it to 'Academy Award worthy' fare is both pointless and daft. Just like taking an argument and running with it straight into an ideological wall repeatedly doesn't make it any more valid.

This is not related to your concept, which is that people aren't allowed to criticise something without having produced an equal or superior work themselves (rather than merely having an understanding of how such work is produced).

As you said individual tastes can be very subjective. IMHO Andy Warhol's work is a travesty and some bands like 'The Rolling Stones' are ridiculously overrated. Nevertheless, I've come to the conclusion that artists tend to appreciate and understand artwork better particularly when said artwork falls within their own area of expertise. Contrary to popular belief, observation is not a substitute for active involvement.

[Ruinx]

As you said individual tastes can be very subjective. IMHO Andy Warhol's work is a travesty and some bands like 'The Rolling Stones' are ridiculously overrated. Nevertheless, I've come to the conclusion that artists tend to appreciate and understand artwork better particularly when said artwork falls within their own area of expertise. Contrary to popular belief, observation is not a substitute for active involvement.

Talking of subjective, your apparent dislike for The 'Stones and Warhol renders all your art-related beliefs "irrelevent" for me, because you fall into the catergory "clearly has godawful taste". Oh sweet subjectivity ;)

Also, you say "try working in 3D sometime", and indeed I have done, and been offered £30+k jobs in the field (specifically in 3D animation), so I guess if you really believe that one appreciates and understands artwork when that falls in one's own area of expertise, then I appreciate and understand this little piece. I just happen to think it's desperately mediocre but moderately shiny. Still, maybe we don't differ much.

Your grade: B

My grade: C+

So why am I even arguing? Possibly because I am idiot who types faster than he can think. It's quite likely!

Kirbyy - I've explained it twice yo', and you still don't get it at all. It's my opinion that I am incapable of explaining it to you. Whether that's because I'm a bad explainer or you're a bit dense or both is open to interpretation. If you read it again you might get it, but what I'm saying doesn't even directly connect with what you're saying in your most recent post, so I give up I'm afraid!

[Athenys]

Talking of subjective, your apparent dislike for The 'Stones and Warhol renders all your art-related beliefs "irrelevant" for me, because you fall into the category "clearly has god-awful taste". Oh sweet subjectivity

I had no idea you liked them that much. Congratulations, you just broke the kitsch-o-meter! 'The Rolling Stones' have the dubious distinction of inspiring a good number of bands that ended up producing better material. I suppose they deserve extra points for their contributions, however unwitting ;). My hatred is reserved for the likes of Andy 'The Art ' Warhol. At first his work was touted as a visual commentary on the 'postmodern condition'. But then he kept going on and on, and thanks to saavy marketing techniques he soon obscured most of his peers :rolleyes:. He was aided in this by a cadre of affluent borderline imbeciles who once again declared that anything that caught their jaded fancy qualified as high 'art'. "It's the message that counts." What message? You can't plumb the depths of such individuals; when you scratch the surface, there is only more surface underneath. The Modern Art world has yet to recover, because some folks are incapable of coming to terms with the fact that the whole movement was a (particularly bad) joke all along. Now we have people paying exorbitant amounts of money for rock encrusted fetuses and cans of excrement. When will the madness end?

[kirbyy]

Nevertheless, I've come to the conclusion that artists tend to appreciate and understand artwork better particularly when said artwork falls within their own area of expertise. Contrary to popular belief, observation is not a substitute for active involvement.

that was exactly what i was trying to say. i asked if Rabbit Slayer had any proof of experience in the AE field, because if so his opinion might have been more reliable to me.

but hey, if you understand what he is trying to say then you understand whath which i was trying to make clear to you. yay, all is well again.

[Taurth]

Video's like that, and the one Julius linked earlier give me an awkward taste in my mouth. It just feels discomforting and annoying, for some reason.

I suppose its good work to the person who made it. I just think video games should stick to being video games because stuff like that just irritates me.

[Ruinx]

'The Rolling Stones' have the dubious distinction of inspiring a good number of bands that ended up producing better material.

Oh, such as? I suppose you're about to name some severely crap 2000s bands, and am bracing myself as such. Personally I've not heard anything as "rocking" as the 'Stones, well, ever, but I've seen a lot of pathetic attempts to be them, especially since about 2002.

As for Warhol, I see. You're one of those poor sad who is upset because [insert art style of the past here] is no longer popular, and is indeed somewhat denigrated, and are thus Very Angry (TM) with "Modern Art" as a whole, no matter how good some of it is, you see it all as Hirst at his worst. Good job.

The ironic thing is that I'm very well-trained classical artist myself, and prefer vaguely realist drawing and painting as my medium, and most of my favourite art is pre-1960. I still don't mindlessly blanket-condemn modern art or scream at Warhol whilst tearing my hair out though. ALL artists are marketers, some are more successful than others, though, and almost all artists who are at all successful in their lifetime have a cadre of followers (whether patrons, disciples, or both) who attempt to spread their vision, so there's nothing new or horrible there, I'd suggest. You might as well tell me that by the 1800s, the art world was "barely recovering" Michangelo and his patrons, or something similarly silly.

Taurth - It gives me the same feeling, and that's because essentially, it's in bad taste. I almost want to call it "kitsch-y", ironically enough, but it's not quite that. It's just deeply cliched in it's visual choices, and those choices are entirely based on "what looks kewl". There's also something strangely sickening and self-referential about both videos, almost mastubatory. It's slightly hard to pin down.

The "WoWoyta" video is similarly, in bad taste, and whilst it's funny on some level, again, there's kind of creepiness to it which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I suspect this may prove I'm "not a real nerd" or something.

[Athenys]

As for Warhol, I see. You're one of those poor sad who is upset because [insert art style of the past here] is no longer popular, and is indeed somewhat denigrated, and are thus Very Angry (TM) with "Modern Art" as a whole, no matter how good some of it is, you see it all as Hirst at his worst. Good job.

I'd describe the current state of Modern Art as depressing. I have only to go to SF MOMA and the adjacent art galleries to get visually assaulted until I have to resist the urge to gouge my eyes out. In fact, I can count the number of good MA exhibitions I've seen in the last DECADE on the fingers of ONE hand. I remind myself that most objections to such observations tend to come primarily from sheeple raised on a steady diet of establishment approved dreck. Idolizing morons like Warhol only proves that they are A. Hungry for seconds, and B. Too dense to understand what's really going on. Note that this is a long way from simply acknowledging people like him, there is a difference. I don't idolize anyone, even extremely talented individuals much as I may admire their work. Baaaah to you, good sir :D.

ALL artists are marketers, some are more successful than others, though, and almost all artists who are at all successful in their lifetime have a cadre of followers (whether patrons, disciples, or both) who attempt to spread their vision, so there's nothing new or horrible there, I'd suggest. You might as well tell me that by the 1800s, the art world was "barely recovering" Michaelangelo and his patrons, or something similarly silly.

You mean artists also need to make a living? That's certainly news to me. By that rational the man who immortalized the Campbell's soup can deserves more publicity than a man who spent years painting frescoes on the ceiling of a chapel. After all, if you market yourself right you are by our society's definition 'successful'. That's all there is to it, even if you literally turn out rubbish. That is IMO problematic when the mass media only succeeds in making the resulting disparity all the more monstrous.

[abr4]

Best WoW video = World of Roguecraft 2

Oh and Game Over 1 by FtH Sonarok, but this one probably more for nostalgic value than artistic skill =)

[Ruinx]

You mean artists also need to make a living?

Are you kidding? Yes! Of course they do. It's absolutely mind-bendingly cretinous to suggest otherwise, romantic as the prospect might be. Wannabe Van Goghs should just shoot themselves in public now and save us all the trouble, tbh.

You also haven't told me who these "vastly superior" bands inspired by The 'Stones are. And I'm increasingly feeling the "Kitsch" wasn't the right word for you to be using, either, so I'd like to see some justification of that. I bet you really hate Jeff Koons, eh?

Also, who is "idolizing" Warhol? Jesus, I mean, an art-specialized high school and two art colleges and I think I've met percisely one person under thirty in the art business who "idolizes" Warhol. I sure don't. I have some respect for him, unlike you, but then going to, say, the MA MOMA doesn't make me put my head in my hands. Quite the contrary, I found it a rather uplifitng. I can't remember a modern art exhibition that depressed me, and the Tate Modern here in London is full of great stuff. As for Michangelo, he was no more or less of businessman/marketer than Warhol, and it's a kind of dumb idolization to believe otherwise.

[Rabbit Slayer]

You mean artists also need to make a living? .
umm this has always been the case. This is the reason why artists used to work for the church. This is because the church had all the money. Now this did restrict artists and only allowed for their skill to develop but not thier ideas or subject matter. So is there art being produced today that is better then the art made in the past. Course this arguement could also be brought into the film world. Are films being made today as good as the films of Hollywoods golden age? Do specail effects make up for story telling and original ideas?


I'd describe the current state of Modern Art as depressing.

umm course everything after 1950 is postmodern art so I don't know how the current state of Modern art is depressing since no new modern art is being made.