About the Chicken thing

[Daldek]

I haven't been able to dig up too much information on how exactly this is going to work, I think its a cool feature to prevent bored hi levels from interrupting good pvp the lower levels might be enjoying.

I just hope its implemented in this faction.

High Levels can go into any lower level zone (its fun to explore and see whats around without having to worry about NPCs killing you when your a low level) and they won't be turned into a chicken.

If the higher level decides to attack a low level player he gets turned into the chicken before the attack is executed, (chicken basically being a debuff).

But if a lower level player decides to attack a higher level player when the higher level player is not debuffed as a chicken then that lower level player instead gets a debuff that will allow the higher level player to attack them without being turned into a chicken.

Basically preventing silly newb greenskins from pestering a old dwarf by trying all these silly attacks on him as he wanders the country side.

[phluke]

I think this would be an acceptable way to do it.

[XShrike]

Even if this was only in the PvP areas it would be exploited. The major problem is AOE and multi target abilities.

There seem to be a lot of these abilities. A high level could just follow a group of low levels around. Then any hostiles would only be able to use single target abilities because the moment they don't the high level will destroy them.

[Lord Tareq]

Thats easy to circumvent, don't let low level AOE damage high level players in these area's unless they are selected as a target.

A bit like in WoW, where AOE did not put you in pvp mode unless you actually targetted the player. When your actually in pvp mode AOE hits everyone.

[Gemini]

I believe the way it works is as soon as the higher teir player enters a low-level RvR zone, he is turned into a chicken. But I'm not 100% sure on that, and those are the kind of things they change in beta every day of the week, so who knows?

[Dracallo]

I like chicken!

[Dracius]

Because no day is complete without another chicken thread...

Each one more origional than the last. :roll:

This idea's already been brought up, and has a lot of loop holes. For one, what do you do if a higher lvl player heals a lower lvl player, will he be turned into a chicken? If not, how do you spot him from healing that lower lvl player?

Also, a system like that just encourages taunting, you'll get these high lvl players running around /taunt /chicken /insulting the lower lvl players on the other faction to try to gode them into attacking. Or they can just harrass in general, kill stealing etc. If the chicken system is going to exist, it's best not to exist in a way that encourages the gankers to find work arounds. All or nothing. Especialy if someone is PvP flagged, and they AE one of these high lvl players.

[Festo]

i always thought it was funny when other people would try to annoy you enough to cause you to hit them

did the system in WoW change because i remember specifically doing that exact thing and i stood next to the undead mage while cast his aoe spell and it made him go pvp mode

then i killed him

he brought like 4 friends

then i killed all 4 of his friends

then they brought 3 lvl 60s

then i proceded to camp all 8 of them for 2 hours

really spiced up my day that did i think eventually they overpowered me and it started a big war

btw i dont care what way they do the chicken as long as i can form chicken raids :D

[checkthis5000]

I haven't been able to dig up too much information on how exactly this is going to work, I think its a cool feature to prevent bored hi levels from interrupting good pvp the lower levels might be enjoying.

I just hope its implemented in this faction.

High Levels can go into any lower level zone (its fun to explore and see whats around without having to worry about NPCs killing you when your a low level) and they won't be turned into a chicken.

If the higher level decides to attack a low level player he gets turned into the chicken before the attack is executed, (chicken basically being a debuff).

But if a lower level player decides to attack a higher level player when the higher level player is not debuffed as a chicken then that lower level player instead gets a debuff that will allow the higher level player to attack them without being turned into a chicken.

Basically preventing silly newb greenskins from pestering a old dwarf by trying all these silly attacks on him as he wanders the country side.

So what you would do if you were a high level, is go into the PvP areas, and stand really close to your friends, so that the opposition can't execute a single AoE spell without hitting you and then you turning them into mush.

High levels have no business being in PvP areas. The chicken idea as it is works fine because it gives you a warning upon entering the PvP area.

I'm not sure how it'll work for the PvE areas, since they're saying that you can go into your enemy's PvE area. I"m assuming it really wouldn't be possible since the only way to get to your enemy's PvE area is through a PvP area, and since there are guards and such, your chicken would die before ever making it into the enemy's PvE area. :p

[Daldek]

To every problem there is a solution.

It just depends on how creative you want to be.

AoE abilities can be flagged to not cause the debuff on lower level players. Healing a friendly player of a lower level in a low level RvR area can cause you to become a chicken before the heal finishes executing.

I think creating places in the world where the player is simply not allowed to travel is an un-creative and boring solution. It discourges players from actually seeing most of the hardwork the world design team is putting into the game.

Yes a player can roll an alt and level him up but that just causes the player to do the same work hes already done to see things his other character should be allowed to see.

[Gemini]

You are allowed to travel in lower teir RvR zones, however, it will be in the form of the chicken. Lazy woulda been a magical barrier or guards or whatever to prevent you from even entering.

[Xilbalba]

They should just have you turn into a chicken the second you try to target and use a skill or attack on a lower level player (or npc really). As for healing your own lower levels you should only be allowed to trade with them, so no buffing/healing etc... or you get the chop.

The one thing that I'm still confused about is how big the gap is for chicken turning? Meaning if I'm a teir 4 and I go into a teir 3 area will I still be turned into a chicken? If thats the case then I think this will be total BS since that cuts off 75% of the world to me. Otherwise I'm fine with not stepping foot into the initial 25% starting areas.

[Gemini]

They should just have you turn into a chicken the second you try to target and use a skill or attack on a lower level player (or npc really). As for healing your own lower levels you should only be allowed to trade with them, so no buffing/healing etc... or you get the chop.

The one thing that I'm still confused about is how big the gap is for chicken turning? Meaning if I'm a teir 4 and I go into a teir 3 area will I still be turned into a chicken? If thats the case then I think this will be total BS since that cuts off 75% of the world to me. Otherwise I'm fine with not stepping foot into the initial 25% starting areas.

Well, teir 4 is much, much larger than the other teirs, and you can still do all the PvE areas. And considering the way RvR to PvE ratios get bigger as you level, I'd wager a guess your only cut off from 20% or so of the world. And by cut off, I just mean you'll be a chicken, you can still go there.

EDIT: I just want to make it clear I pulled that number out of thin air.

[Profound]

EDIT: I just want to make it clear I pulled that number out of thin air.
That made me laugh.. lol. I think you should just turn chicken when you enter the zone. Will stop random low levels begging tier 4 players to help kill a mob. Also will make RVR more fair, and it will make the community stronger since groups are going to be important because your tier 4 friend can't just do the quests with you while your in a lower zone.

[Gretha]

That made me laugh.. lol. I think you should just turn chicken when you enter the zone. Will stop random low levels begging tier 4 players to help kill a mob. Also will make RVR more fair, and it will make the community stronger since groups are going to be important because your tier 4 friend can't just do the quests with you while your in a lower zone.



Sounds funny, so if a lvl40 wants to explore lower tiers they need a local player to help, not the other way around.

[Kridak]

I haven't been able to dig up too much information on how exactly this is going to work, I think its a cool feature to prevent bored hi levels from interrupting good pvp the lower levels might be enjoying.

I just hope its implemented in this faction.

High Levels can go into any lower level zone (its fun to explore and see whats around without having to worry about NPCs killing you when your a low level) and they won't be turned into a chicken.

If the higher level decides to attack a low level player he gets turned into the chicken before the attack is executed, (chicken basically being a debuff).

But if a lower level player decides to attack a higher level player when the higher level player is not debuffed as a chicken then that lower level player instead gets a debuff that will allow the higher level player to attack them without being turned into a chicken.

Basically preventing silly newb greenskins from pestering a old dwarf by trying all these silly attacks on him as he wanders the country side.
i think if a high level goes into a low levvel RvR zone, or a low level enemy PvE zone. they should just be turned into a chicken. no questions asked.

[WarMachine]

Well, teir 4 is much, much larger than the other teirs, and you can still do all the PvE areas. And considering the way RvR to PvE ratios get bigger as you level, I'd wager a guess your only cut off from 20% or so of the world. And by cut off, I just mean you'll be a chicken, you can still go there.

EDIT: I just want to make it clear I pulled that number out of thin air.
Actually, the number is around 10% or less, because you cannot count the T4 RvR areas (as there is no chicken there) This was a number I came up with out of the rough estimates of RvR zone %s. If Mythic sticks to the same size after their work these two months it will be spot on.

[Mo0rbid]

Kinda laughable actually "war is everywhere"

*me looks at the chicken concept*


conclusion: truth != war is everywhere

[Ranti]

Kinda laughable actually "war is everywhere"

*me looks at the chicken concept*


conclusion: truth != war is everywhere

War doesn't require you to be there in order to happen


War is everywhere, you just can't help the War everywhere, apparently the generals want you on the front lines

[XShrike]

I'm surprised they that they haven't disposed of the "War is everywhere". Not because it isn't true. When they say it they mean everything you do in the game is to help the war effort. Not, "I can kill anyone and anything when ever I want."

I am surprised because they eliminated "Beta what is closed" because it was causing so much confusion. At least with that people were just confused if they could sign up. With "War is everywhere," people assume my second example, see that it is not true, then proceed to claim they were lied to because they where the ones that misunderstood.

[Mo0rbid]

When they say it they mean everything you do in the game is to help the war effort. Not, "I can kill anyone and anything when ever I want."

The definition is arguable. I don't fully see it the same way as you do.

all in all, im in favour of the chicken concept even though I havent seen it in practise. But I'm sure it'll work out just fine.

[squiggyboy]

its not an attack then turned to chicken idea they have its a go into low level area turn into chicken in 5 secs or so

[craptacular]

this is a great way of doing it

poofing into a chicken as soon as u enter these areas i find really ruins immersion/atmosphere and i pray that mythic reads this..

[Tryble]

You really have little purpose in being in low-level areas as a max-level character.

[Darkcyde]

i always thought it was funny when other people would try to annoy you enough to cause you to hit them

did the system in WoW change because i remember specifically doing that exact thing and i stood next to the undead mage while cast his aoe spell and it made him go pvp mode

I'm pretty sure AOE has always worked out that it only hit opposing Enemy players if you were flagged. A workaround people had to gank though was that they would stand directly on top of the targets the unflagged people were farming. So when the low level went to click the mob they're wanting to fight they accidentally click the opposing player and the game took that as attacking.

As was said before, make it all or nothing. Making the Chicken system more lenient only opens up people to try to work around it. I'm all for World PVP in most areas, and from a former WoW players perspective, I can say that PVP servers would have been much more enjoyable for all if they could have somehow eliminated High levels ganking Low levels.

[Darkcyde]

War is everywhere, you just can't help the War everywhere, apparently the generals want you on the front lines

This is probably the greatest justification I've ever seen regarding this issue. Even lore-wise this makes sense. If War is constantly going on and all around us, your Generals and Kings won't want their best Warriors in the lowly beginning zones, you should be helping where you're needed most, which are the High level areas.

[Warmaster tibs]

As said before there is no reason to be in lower tiers when you could be killing other guys your level.