Who likes to Gank?! [Archive]

Tamren Starshadow

11-04-2007, 02:49 PM

Im okay with it but only if ganking takes some serious skill. If its just a matter of "DOINK! your dead!" then forget about it. Easy kills should not be traded for the other player's fun.

I remember one WoW video i saw, it was a guy duel ganking. The funny thing about it though? he was like... level 3. So the duel ends, the other guy has 1 hp, the little gnome comes us, GANK. Kills the level 40. hehehe

Another version of the same thing was this undead rogue ganking lvl 60s, only he was using exploding sheep. So the guy finishes the duel, suddenly this fake sheep starts walking towards him, he gets up, BOOOM. Good times :-P

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Also, there is a difference between gank and grief mind you. Ganking is attacking someone with suprise on your side. Griefing is playing specifically to ruin the fun of other players. There is no way in hell you can get me to play on an open rvr server because there will be slews of people simply out to mess with your fun.

Zakiya

11-04-2007, 02:49 PM

I like the idea of looking over my shoulder all the time, keeps the game interesting and keeps me on my toes. But if the death penalty is as fierce as it is in EVE then it goes from being "harsh but fair because you did risk it", to "sod this game".

Zunjin

11-04-2007, 02:53 PM

If I see a alone person and I got a friend with me, we kill him. That is ganking. If Im alone and see a enemy about to die from fighting, I kill him. That is also ganking. Killing lowbies can be fun, but its not as thrilling as attacking someone at my same level when the fight still could change at any moment, for example if another player joins the fray.

BKPriest

11-04-2007, 02:54 PM

Well if by ganking you mean running around killing low levels with no chance of defeat then I am against it.

Skurk

11-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Ganking on my terms is when a much more powerful and geared player kills a much weaker player. Which is just plain pathetic and stupid.

However, if you're wandering around a tier4 RvR zone all by yourself. And a group of 6 enemy players stomp over you at once. While it's unfortunate, it's not a good idea to wander around by yourself right?

Brad the terrible

11-04-2007, 02:57 PM

Well if by ganking you mean running around killing low levels with no chance of defeat then I am against it.

Ganking does not neccesarily mean killing low level players. Ganking is really just killing people out of a set PVP setting.

BKPriest

11-04-2007, 03:02 PM

Ganking does not neccesarily mean killing low level players. Ganking is really just killing people out of a set PVP setting.

Thanks for clarifying, and in that case, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Brad the terrible

11-04-2007, 03:05 PM

Thanks for clarifying, and in that case, I'm perfectly fine with it.

For example I could be a level 70 rogue ganking a level 70 warrior who is recovering his health after a fight or just standing somewhere.

Axxar

11-04-2007, 03:09 PM

I voted 3, but when I hear the word "ganking" I imagine people killing low levels or people doing PvE quests with the purpose of griefing. In a PvP zone everything is fair game.

Brad the terrible

11-04-2007, 03:17 PM

I voted 3, but when I hear the word "ganking" I imagine people killing low levels or people doing PvE quests with the purpose of griefing. In a PvP zone everything is fair game.

That is the misconception I am trying to eliminate.

Ojike

11-04-2007, 03:18 PM

it can be fun sometimes, but not always. would rather have a server that you just couldn't gank on.

Kevinor

11-04-2007, 03:20 PM

Ganking is such an emotive and ill-defined word that I believe any poll containing it will never be representative of anything.

Consequently; my intention is to gank you when the game goes live. See you then!

Brad the terrible

11-04-2007, 03:32 PM

Melongod

11-04-2007, 03:52 PM

i voted #2...

Instead of mindlessly PvEing like most idiots out there unaware of their surroundings...you have to keep an eye out on your surroundings. Let others know in chat channel you see Reds, or got ganked and crap..

A few years ago, when playing wow, i would keep my HP/MP high while PvEing and ended up giving corpse walks to people that tried to gank me...

Will be the same way with WAR.

soloshow

11-04-2007, 04:06 PM

DarkDweller

11-04-2007, 04:10 PM

Personally I hate it when it's an organized attempt to weaken the opposing force by reducing their enjoyment of the game.

Speaking of WoW, my lasting memory is of trying to enter mid-level instances which were guarded by ridiculous numbers of enemy players who had nothing better to do than stop people trying to complete quests. Which I feel is rather unsporting. Maybe I'm just a bit anal though.:rolleyes:

Melongod

11-04-2007, 04:10 PM

Belar

11-04-2007, 04:18 PM

Earth Dragon

11-04-2007, 04:21 PM

I liked to gank Mages with my Rogue in WoW before.
Once upon a time I massacred a Mage 27 times until he logged off. At those times it feels like one becomes a real psycho.
I hope to find many victims in WAR.
If this guy was lower then you, that's , and that's the stuff I hate.

Some people gank by taking advantage of an exploit or newer players, and that is also . If he kept attacking you, then it is a different story.

When I hear gank, I think of folks killing players that never had a chance for something other then a fair and self-inflicted reason. That I am against. I do not think a toon 20 levels higher should even be able to swing at a player that much weaker unless swung at themselves. Unfortunately, there is no way to make everyone sign a "I will not be an " clause, so there should be things written into the game to prevent it.

Earth Dragon

11-04-2007, 04:24 PM

I like when you have to always be on your toes. Thats why the best pvp people play in open servers. Constant awareness and practice. You can always tell PVE people. They stand still and swing away as you are running around them like a goblin on redbull.
I call those people "Too stupid to realize they aren't playing golden eye anymore."

I've been good at PvP in every game I play, and I wouldn't risk missing something because I thought circle strafing actually had merit in an MMO. I just turn in circles beating the hell out of you while you hop around like a .

Melongod

11-04-2007, 04:26 PM

If this guy was lower then you, that's , and that's the stuff I hate.

Some people gank by taking advantage of an exploit or newer players, and that is also . If he kept attacking you, then it is a different story.

When I hear gank, I think of folks killing players that never had a chance for something other then a fair and self-inflicted reason. That I am against. I do not think a toon 20 levels higher should even be able to swing at a player that much weaker unless swung at themselves. Unfortunately, there is no way to make everyone sign a "I will not be an " clause, so there should be things written into the game to prevent it.

actually i think the other player was at fault for getting killed so much. Just because you're weaker/lower level does not mean you can't run away.

There is no reason that you can't travel and level in another area. Sometimes, in time of conflict, you just have to leave.

Also, some people love the thrill of escaping...so who knows...i ran away many times in the other game and it was just as fun as chasing.

Newber

11-04-2007, 04:46 PM

I, myself, don't like to gank players of lower level than me. However, I see ganking as a necessity. Call it "immersion" or whatever you want, but I just like the thought of being able to tear someone apart if they piss me off enough. When I played WoW, I almost never ganked lower levels (unless I was extremely bored) and even when I did, I joked around with them a little. Things like...

Going into stealth... following my target.... ambushing mobs they attacked for a while... /laughing... help them with a quest or two... earin their trust... then BAM, ambush and cannibalize. Then I'd move on.

I had my own code. I wouldn't attack anyone who was fighting a mob. I wouldn't camp... That was what separated me from the pansies on the alliance.

So ganking isn't a bad thing untill a certain point... But that just makes you hate the other faction all the more. I voted "other".

thetheory

11-04-2007, 04:49 PM

I don't like ganking(other than a means to draw a bunch of max levels to an area to have some fun PvP, but usually that takes very little ganking to accomplish) but I do like the feeling that I can be ganked at (almost) any moment.

Belar

11-04-2007, 04:53 PM

Fusko

11-04-2007, 04:54 PM

I don't gank unless I know for a fact I can one-shot them, otherwise its just not fun.

Earth Dragon

11-04-2007, 04:58 PM

actually i think the other player was at fault for getting killed so much. Just because you're weaker/lower level does not mean you can't run away.

There is no reason that you can't travel and level in another area. Sometimes, in time of conflict, you just have to leave.

Also, some people love the thrill of escaping...so who knows...i ran away many times in the other game and it was just as fun as chasing.
For newer players, it isn't always that simple. They might be trying to get away, and they can't. I have never had this happen to me personally, but I have had guildmates or what not express problems with some +40 player killing them over and over again in this or that game where they felt they were stuck in a corner. Maybe they just didn't realize there was another way out, but the true jerks aren't going to consider that they may be new and may need help. That is how you drive people from the game early. Whcih in turn kills the game faster.

Personally, I like the danger, but I have to be a little empathetic to people who have had some issues in the past.

Pseudoman

11-04-2007, 05:02 PM

I think most people have done it at one time or another. Personally I get tired of slaughtering players who are unable to defend themselves. Ive also never been the type to continually harass players (unless they are being jerks, and yes I know how ironic that sounds ;)).

Bottom line, I have better things to do.

Earth Dragon

11-04-2007, 05:05 PM

[quote=Earth Dragon;540487]I call those people "Too stupid to realize they aren't playing golden eye anymore."

I've been good at PvP in every game I play, and I wouldn't risk missing something because I thought circle strafing actually had merit in an MMO. I just turn in circles beating the hell out of you while you hop around like a .[/quote

I am sure you are very good at playing in PVE servers. you are right about just turning in circles against such players. I am not talking about simply running around you. creating distance at the right time, avoiding combat with a quick pass to drink a potion... these things you learn in pvp. Good luck with PVE!!!
And I'm talking about people thinking they need to do it when they don't need to, interupting their own skills, and causing people to get out of their range, when I could just blast the hell out of them.

Point is, the vast majority of people WAY over do it, and have no clue they are screwing themselves up almost as much as they are helping. I can do both stand still fighting, and jackalope fighting, and jackalope fighting isn't always your best option.

Hnbmilk

11-04-2007, 05:11 PM

ganking is stupid. I dont even see whats that fun about it. The only way I would support ganking is in a game like dark fall where its basically FFA pvp. But when there is a structured RVR and PVP system and you could easily find somebody your own level to fight, I think its completely stupid.

Heno

11-04-2007, 05:16 PM

I'm more of a competative player, if both sides didn't get a fair chance, it doesn't really interest me much.

For that one good fight where you take on a ganker and win, or at least make a good show of losing, there's like... a thousand where you didn't even really get a chance, and to me that's not my idea of fun.

Zeke

11-04-2007, 05:29 PM

When i used to play WoW me and my friend were both lvl 25 hunters. We found a lvl 35ish pally and we killed him a few times. Then we ran away from him just to annoy him, he never caught up with us. Good times, good times:D

Chielz0r

11-04-2007, 05:42 PM

I voted the top 2 choices, I try to kill any oposing player I come along, whenever, so I guess that makes me a ganker.

Blaze

11-04-2007, 06:00 PM

I don't attack lower level players that would be no challenge to me or otherwise helpless. Fighting people who can't fight back is for cowards. Anyone who thinks it's fun to torment helpless lower level players shouldn't be playing MMORPGs.

I attack anyone of my level or a few levels lower, and anyone higher level if I think I might have even a slim chance of winning.

I usually kill someone once, unless they come back for more. I kill them and they come back to get revenge I will fight them until they give up. If I kill them and they run away the next time I don't chase them or try to hunt them down. If they come back with friends I will call reinforcements to even the odds if I can't win, or run away if I'm unable to find anyone to help me.

If I see an enemy player fighting a mob I'll usually wait until they are done, unless they are higher level or some kind of nemesis class for my class.

Other than that I attack anyone close to my level any time, anywhere. And I expect the same from everyone else. I like the feeling of danger and freedom, and I'm looking forward to playing on an Open RvR server.

And that's my philosophy when it comes to PvP. I guess some people would call me a ganker, depending on their definition. I don't really know. Am I a ganker?

Earth Dragon

11-04-2007, 06:05 PM

Duty

11-04-2007, 06:20 PM

<3 ganking. Not the type of ganking of I'm high level you're low and I 2 shot you. No, I like the ganking of you're high level, I'm high level...and I still 2 shot you! Yes, I had a rogue in WoW and it was fun annihilating some unsuspecting priest.

The rush of avoiding a ganker can be very fun too. Too many times have I evaded the failed attempts of some noob that thought he could get a free kill...and if the level difference wasn't too great, he'd be the one that gets owned.

I also voted other, because I think there are different types of ganking. There's low level ganking which just isn't too much fun to me. There's ganking of people killing mobs and that's not too much fun to me either. Then there is the ganking of "I come up behind you when you don't expect it and kill you asap." THAT'S the type of kill that is probably the 2nd most fun in a game to me, next to the chain killing of 3 or more people.

vanza001

11-04-2007, 08:28 PM

I like to gank but only if it is a method of starting a battle not a method of giving greif. I want to gank by having the jump and superior numbers because it is most likely to be succesful. I do not want to gank by having superior levels (a method of greifing)

Ranti

11-04-2007, 08:32 PM

Theres been a lot of conflict here lately over different playstyles and I would like to know who enjoys ganking and who hates ganking and anyone who does it.

You should clarify what you mean by "gank"

Some people considering it killing someone vastly lower level than you (in which case I would vote option 3: ganking = Griefing)

some people consider it killing someone as they are killing a mob (in which case I don't like it but I will do it because you can and they are the enemy)

some people use the word to mean easily beating someone in 1v1 combat who otherwise should be perfectly able of defending them selves (in which case I voted 1 I love ganking)

but, you didn't clarify what you mean

Thus I voted 4, stop making stupid ambiguous polls

Yes, I had a rogue in WoW and it was fun annihilating some unsuspecting priest.

I knew there was a reason I always thought stealth (invisibility) was stupid...

and always ended up rather annoyed by almost every rogue I met...

BTW, you are so skillful (rolls eyes)..man I am glad war doesn't have stealth, Melee DPS may actually have to learn how to use terrain and strategy

mikku

11-04-2007, 08:49 PM

Its part of the game, I have been ganked, and ganked before. its not really my favorite thing since theres no challenge, I probably went with the purpose of ganking three times in three years of wow.

But its part of the game, I expect to have it happen and doesn't bother me either way. You come into this kind of game knowing it will happen.

Duty

11-04-2007, 08:52 PM

I knew there was a reason I always thought stealth (invisibility) was stupid...

and always ended up rather annoyed by almost every rogue I met...

BTW, you are so skillful (rolls eyes)..man I am glad war doesn't have stealth, Melee DPS may actually have to learn how to use terrain and strategy

I may have loved my rogue, but I welcome the change. Trust me, I'll still find a way (as ranged or melee dps) to sneak up and get ya. ;)

Ayetalam

11-04-2007, 08:58 PM

/stab
/kill
/teabag
/next

:D. But I only did it to people within 5 levels of me. Its boring to do it on n00bs and one shot. But this comes from a WoW rogue player that stealth stunned locked people to death.

/vanish

Mo0rbid

11-04-2007, 10:15 PM

ganking and ganking.. Some of you seem to confuse ganking with even, fair PvP just because both parts neccesearly doesnt want to fight at that perticular time

TayBorderman

11-04-2007, 10:23 PM

Without ganking the game wouldnt be fun at all ~

Seznid

11-04-2007, 10:50 PM

I'l definitely be attacking lowbies if the chicken has a -1hp attack. Beware the chickens.

If theres no chickens? I probably won't attack lowbies :D

Disciple

11-05-2007, 06:41 AM

ganking is lame. it only proves that one hasnt got the skill to win a stand up fight so they seek weaker players to get their kicks.

Commentaris

11-05-2007, 10:48 AM

ganking is part of PvP in general.

i'm not above ganking, i've done so numerous times in different games. i'm not the most avid ganker, but there's a time and place for everything....even ganking.

Loekii

11-05-2007, 10:53 AM

ganking is lame. it only proves that one hasnt got the skill to win a stand up fight so they seek weaker players to get their kicks.

That is more or less how I see it. It doesn't bother me, but I just look down on those that do it.

It is sort of like watching someone with an inferiority complex go off on their subordinates -- every knows he/she is trying to compensate for their short comings. /pity.

Aysop

11-05-2007, 11:29 AM

I love all kinds of ganking. If I can kill you, then you're dead. I can't believe there're so many carebears on this forum.:shock:

Blaze

11-05-2007, 12:16 PM

I love all kinds of ganking. If I can kill you, then you're dead.

Yes but why? If you can't possibly lose, where is the challenge? If there is no challenge, what's the point? If there is no actual point, why do it?

I also attack everyone I see, that can actually put up a fight.

Not flaming here. I just don't understand ganking lowbies and similar activities. Seems so pointless.

Duty

11-05-2007, 12:48 PM

If it's red it's dead.

A good excuse if you ask me.

Loekii

11-05-2007, 12:58 PM

If it's red it's dead.

A good excuse if you ask me.

The nice thing about WAR is that with the Chaos Chicken approach, puts a new spin on this comment, more like 'If its red, there will be blood'.

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 01:10 PM

Gankers Are simply PVErs in disguise, They just want to fight an unchallenging, one sided and immensly boring battle they can feel safe and secure in - In other words They want to PVE But have the chance to stroke their epeens and whinge about carebears.

I have half a mind to think the majority of Gankers are sticking to the mmo genre, simply because it's so easy to exploit and it virtually requires zero skill to become better than someone else in. And well, That's what "Real" gankers are all about - Having far too much time, and Tiny RL ego's they need to boost.

Of course - Nothing wrong with "Ganking" In itself, I kill lowbies from time to time if they pass me or annoy me. But there's an entirley different thing of hunting low players down, for the soul reason that you can't compete in a real battle or are too afraid to challenge someone who can fight back.

One problem with the idea of open PVP, while it's a brilliant and engaging concept, 80 percent or so the playerbase simply see it as a chance to get their rocks off and make themselves feel a little better - So Open servers are usually doomed to failure, I.E DAOC FFA PVP. It's just such a shame, as open PVP Is a brilliant idea .

Admiting that you openly Gank continously, And consider yourself a ganker - Is basically admiting you are a PVER in denial and have self-esteem issues.

Or you're a jerk.

Let me make it perfectly clear - Killing low levels from time to time, or fighting them in a WAR Situation isn't really ganking it's just fighting a battle, I'm talking about the ones which actually go into very low level area's and activly seek players which can't defend themselves.

Duty

11-05-2007, 01:24 PM

The nice thing about WAR is that with the Chaos Chicken approach, puts a new spin on this comment, more like 'If its red, there will be blood'.

Chaos Chicken is a great addition, I like it.

I still stand by what I said earlier. There's 3 types of ganking:

1. Lowbie killing
2. Killing a same-level player fighting a mob/afk/otherwise can't fight back
3. Killing a same-level player that could otherwise fight back very quickly, often at the expense of blowing expensive cooldowns and like skills.

#3 is fun, #2 is acceptable behavior in an RvR environment, #1 is just lame and I'm glad they're taking measures to prevent it.

Kozai

11-05-2007, 01:49 PM

I gank and i get gank. It's the vicious circle of gank. Besides how can i pass up free exp/pvp points? Your a fool if you don't do the same... this is war after all not pistols at dawn.

Imamu

11-05-2007, 01:56 PM

I gank.
I kill any enemy I see, low level or not.
after all...they are the enemy.

all you WoW players on PvP servers...tell me that when you hit 70, you didn't go to Stranglethorn Vale and gank every lowbie you saw to get even.
I know I did.

call me a jerk or whatever. I don't really care.
but it is part of the game. quit whining about it, care bears.

Loekii

11-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Actually never felt the need to gank lowbies, but then again, I don't have anything to prove. /shrug.

While WoW catered to that need, WAR will simply frustrate those that feel that need. Some will learn to overcome it and learn to enjoy competition.

Brad the terrible

11-05-2007, 02:19 PM

You should clarify what you mean by "gank"

Some people considering it killing someone vastly lower level than you (in which case I would vote option 3: ganking = Griefing)

some people consider it killing someone as they are killing a mob (in which case I don't like it but I will do it because you can and they are the enemy)

some people use the word to mean easily beating someone in 1v1 combat who otherwise should be perfectly able of defending them selves (in which case I voted 1 I love ganking)

but, you didn't clarify what you mean

Thus I voted 4, stop making stupid ambiguous polls

I knew there was a reason I always thought stealth (invisibility) was stupid...

and always ended up rather annoyed by almost every rogue I met...

BTW, you are so skillful (rolls eyes)..man I am glad war doesn't have stealth, Melee DPS may actually have to learn how to use terrain and strategy

I didn't specify because ganking can be all those things.

Aysop

11-05-2007, 02:37 PM

Yes but why? If you can't possibly lose, where is the challenge? If there is no challenge, what's the point? If there is no actual point, why do it?

I also attack everyone I see, that can actually put up a fight.

Not flaming here. I just don't understand ganking lowbies and similar activities. Seems so pointless.

Basically I'm one of those people who gets joy out of ruining someone else's day. ;-)

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 02:42 PM

Basically I'm one of those people who gets joy out of ruining someone else's day. ;-)

Heh, Then why play this game?

I don't really understand - You can't ruin someones day by ganking them, unless there is a real loss. And in this game there isn't a loss, they just respawn.

I mean, If you want to be a ganker you should atleast be man enough to deal with the consequences, Go play lineage 2 or shadowbane or simply enough in my opinion like I stated before you are a pver in denial looking for an epeen boost.

People go on about how they "Ganked" in Wow and act as if it's something to boast about, but it simply wasn't effecting anyone - Heck you could hardly gank in that game. I guess when I talk about "ganking" I'm thinking of actual real gankers, in games which had consequences where it could actually effect you.

Dieing is nothing - Losing 15 percent of your exp and a few items, is something entirley different.

Darlos

11-05-2007, 02:44 PM

Well...yeah...I am guilty of ganking on 'that game'...

I do like the 'rush' of a chance of been ganked at any second, plus it adds to immersion
EG:

Greenskin: "Wut da? A' Stunie?!"
Dwarf isn't in a PVP area
Greenskin "Nev'mind, da Stunie 'no be in da fightin' areaz, i'll jus' leave 'im alone"

Aysop

11-05-2007, 02:46 PM

Heh, Then why play this game?

I don't really understand - You can't ruin someones day by ganking them, unless there is a real loss. And in this game there isn't a loss, they just respawn.

I mean, If you want to be a ganker you should atleast be man enough to deal with the consequences, Go play lineage 2 or shadowbane or simply enough in my opinion like I stated before you are a pver in denial looking for an epeen boost.

^^^
Looks like someone got ganked a little too much. lol.

Imamu

11-05-2007, 02:49 PM

Basically I'm one of those people who gets joy out of ruining someone else's day. ;-)

YES, same with me. qfmft.

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 03:10 PM

^^^
Looks like someone got ganked a little too much. lol.

^^ Looks like someone dosn't read posts. lol.

Seriously come on now, how did you get that from that post? Definatly from my previous one but how that one? I'm speceficly saying you can't really gank in Wow, as it's a soft game with no loss.

I'm simply wondering - if you enjoy making people suffer, why aren't you playing a game which you can actually do that in properly rather than waiting for WAR? Which compared to some is going to be a "Carebear" PVE fest.

I mean, It's fine and all this " lolz I'z kewl" but If I actually wanted to get some jollys off I'd play a game where I could really annoy someone, stealing their items etc? I mean - purley Open FFA PVP. Heh, Sure you loved those DAOC servers no item looting, but the FFA PVP was good eh?

Kiling someone in WAR, or WOW was simply like shooting someone in Battlefield or Counter-strike, Unless they're a Whiney little Mygot Geek they won't even blink an eye.

I'm just worried, that most Hard gankers - Really aren't that hard. And simply want a Free range, No consequence and no real trouble mainly PVE focused game. Heck, you can't even talk to the enemy here.

Fugazi

11-05-2007, 03:13 PM

Trying to gank while enemy is just wandering around - good.
Trying to gank while enemy is fighting mobs - maybe ok.
Trying to gank enemy while your level is 523452345 higher - small e-peen and childish.

Aysop

11-05-2007, 03:21 PM

^^ Looks like someone dosn't read posts. lol.

Seriously come on now, how did you get that from that post? Definatly from my previous one but how that one?

I was referring to this part:
[...] you are a pver in denial looking for an epeen boost.
...but you other posts would have sufficed as well.

I'm speceficly saying you can't really gank in Wow, as it's a soft game with no loss.

Corpse runs. Being unable to quest with any efficiency. The general frustration one gets from being killed. I would call all of those losses.

I'm simply wondering - if you enjoy making people suffer, why aren't you playing a game which you can actually do that in properly rather than waiting for WAR? Which compared to some is going to be a "Carebear" PVE fest.

I mean, It's fine and all this " lolz I'z kewl" but If I actually wanted to get some jollys off I'd play a game where I could really annoy someone, stealing their items etc? I mean - purley Open FFA PVP. Heh, Sure you loved those DAOC servers.

I don't play WoW. You're making assumptions.

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 03:35 PM

I wasn't just making assumptions, the other guy clearly states he plays world of warcraft I wasn't Only talking to you . Not mentioning, If you took my " You are a PVER in denial" As an insult, It clearly means you can't handle the consequences of an open FFA pvp enviroment where there is an actual loss - as those where the players I speceficly refered to.

And those are laughable losses, I'm not even sure if they can count as them. It's like trying to call brushing your teeth a horrible incovience which no man should have to endure.

If you do play Shadowbane, lineage 2 or games such as those - More power to you, you can actually backup your comments. There's a "Repetitivly kill mentally challenged PVE players who don't have a single brain cell between the bunch" Type ganking, then there's the actual lock down ganking - where the enemy is incapable of fighting back , playing or escaping.

The Complete lock down form of ganking which does ruin gameplay for people - ain't possible in Wow, unless the players are unimaginative dopes with no friends capable of easily stomping out a few twits.

I wouldn't really call the repetitivly killing twits a real type of ganking, as it can be easily escaped from.. really easily.

Yvo

11-05-2007, 03:51 PM

Anyone who says gankers only gank because they can't win a normal fight, or have some form of inferiority complex is an idiot. Why don't you all take your imaginary psych degrees and keep your completely misguided psych profiles to yourself. Lest we all owe you some substantial amount of money for pretending you know what the hell you're talking about.

People can gank for whatever reason they want. They don't even need a reason. Because it's within their ability to kill the other player. Tons of people probably do it just because they can. If someone is a great pvper and they just so happen to gank lowbies they see, it doesn't make them not a good pvper.

Do I consider myself a ganker? No. I generally won't gank a lower level player. If I happen to be traveling through a lower level zone, I don't consider them worth my time to stop.

Aqe

11-05-2007, 03:55 PM

I like ganking.

I did it in WoW. I won't be able to do it in WAR though, because of the chicken thing. which sucks. :/

it's part of the game though. if you don't like it, don't play.

Actually its not part of the game. So if you like it don't play WAR :rolleyes:

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 03:56 PM

But yet that dosn't make them a real ganker Iether - it's not really worth mentioning people who simply kill others because they're there - that's not ganking. If a lowbie is going to put himself in a situation where he's with high level players, he deserves to die.

Ganking is when a high level, or most likley a group of high level players actually speceficly go into low level area's and repetitivly kill enemies - over and over again.

I mean if the question was - " Have you ganked/ Do you gank?" Then the 100 percent answer from everyone has to be yes, everyone kills lowbies they've stumbled across.

It's just the idiots who turn it into a career, I've just commenly found they're usually the ones who don't present thaat much of a challenge - good players are much too busy actually taking part with guilds, or doing things which are beneficial.

I think everyone has their own opinion on what "ganking" really means, it seems to most it just refers to killing anyone who's at a disadvantage - which in my mind is no problem atall, nothing wrong with being smart. It's just when they've stepped out of their way to make someones gaming experience intentionally sucky who I get annoyed with, specially when they act all surprised when they blurt it out in a thread as if it's something to be proud of and get a negative reaction.

It's like saying " Yay I'm a retard "

Aysop

11-05-2007, 04:08 PM

I wasn't just making assumptions, the other guy clearly states he plays world of warcraft I wasn't Only talking to you . Not mentioning, If you took my " You are a PVER in denial" As an insult, It clearly means you can't handle the consequences of an open FFA pvp enviroment where there is an actual loss - as those where the players I speceficly refered to.

I don't like to sound ignorant, but I don't know what you're talking about when you say "consequences of an open FFA pvp enviroment". Perhaps you could be less vague?

And those are laughable losses, I'm not even sure if they can count as them. It's like trying to call brushing your teeth a horrible incovience which no man should have to endure.

If you don't mind being ganked then where does your hostility towards gankers come from?

There's a "Repetitivly kill mentally challenged PVE players who don't have a single brain cell between the bunch" Type ganking, then there's the actual lock down ganking - where the enemy is incapable of fighting back , playing or escaping.

Perhaps you could take a poll of PvE and PvP players and see which ones are more likely to gank. Otherwise these are just baseless claims.

The Complete lock down form of ganking which does ruin gameplay for people - ain't possible in Wow, unless the players are unimaginative dopes with no friends capable of easily stomping out a few twits.

I wouldn't really call the repetitivly killing twits a real type of ganking, as it can be easily escaped from.. really easily.

Orly? *yawn* wtf are we talking about anyway?

Grondoth

11-05-2007, 04:11 PM

It's like saying " Yay I'm a retard "

Only no one chooses to be born with a defect.

I'm with you on this, and I'm quite frankly shocked that people are surprised that people don't like dudes who just try and annoy other dudes. Announcing to the world that you enjoy being a jerk should merit a negative reaction. I don't care how manly you think it is to make a career out of ruining people's days, it isn't. It's annoying and childish, and a grand majority of people take this position. Included in this is Mark Jacobs, (http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=355&highlight=gank&page=3) so don't think you'll have a whole lot of leeway in this game.
Unless of course he's changed his mind. Which I doubt, I'm pretty sure he still wants to try and punish griefing.

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 04:12 PM

:p I think I mistook you for a real ganker, I'm sorry Aysop.

Let me just sum it up - Ganking in Wow is immensly hard to do, as there's no real losses. That's why I don't mind being ganked in Wow when I used to play, as it wasn't really ganking It was a very minor incovenience which I usually enjoyed as I'd make sure that gankers face was in the dirty immensly quickly.

FFA PVP enviroments Really do make it so real pestering and ganking is a Risk, If you do it you will get hurt by players. There's no hiding, it's an option and it's a dangerous one. Guilds have ran people off a server due to them being a lone ganker pestering it's members, this is specially true for games like lineage 2 and UO.

There's a ton of different types of ganking - When you lot started going on about how you liked to make people suffer, I really thought you where the Lame-arse, hardcore sorta ganker who's entire purpose is to grief and exploit to make people want to quit.

I just don't like people who like the idea of "Ruining" peoples fun, but play games which it's near impossible to do so or get any retalation for it, as that's the entire point.

Kalyptein

11-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Killing anyone roughly equal level is fair game. Go for it.

Going to lowbie areas specifically to kill em just makes you a really.

Why am I hostile to gankers (ganker here = i kill lowbies who could never hope to win)?
Because I want WAR to be fun. Fun means a challange that can be overcome (i.e. level 40 vs 70 or wallhack+aimbot is not a challange). And allowing a bunch of retards to deliberately go around killing lowbies day in day out really doesn't add anything to any game in terms of immersiveness, lore, gameplay etc.

Mythic have not confirmed their stance towards ganking yet so I'm gonna do my darnest to make sure they take an anti ganking stance. If anything they appear to be more anti ganking than pro ganking from what has been said so far and I hope it stays that way.

NoneSuch

11-05-2007, 04:22 PM

Mythic have not confirmed their stance towards ganking yet so I'm gonna do my darnest to make sure they take an anti ganking stance. If anything they appear to be more anti ganking than pro ganking from what has been said so far and I hope it stays that way.

They are really REALLY anti-ganking actually. I mean, they're more anti-ganking than most developers. They're main goal is to create an actual RVR enviroment where everyone can enjoy themselves, while being able to PVP without forcing other players into it.

It's been stated like a hundred times their entirley against ganking.

Blaze

11-05-2007, 04:36 PM

Basically I'm one of those people who gets joy out of ruining someone else's day. ;-)

I thought as much.

Well I suppose doing it in an MMORPG is relavtively harmless, as you are only wasting everyones time including your own. As an added bonus you don't get punched in the face as you might in real life.

Truly, the internet must be a great boon for people like you.

Aysop

11-05-2007, 06:26 PM

I thought as much.

Well I suppose doing it in an MMORPG is relavtively harmless, as you are only wasting everyones time including your own. As an added bonus you don't get punched in the face as you might in real life.

Truly, the internet must be a great boon for people like you.

If I pissed someone off to the point that they would punch me in the face then I think I would fall on the ground laughing. Real life is just as hilarious as the internet.

Zandalar

11-05-2007, 06:50 PM

If I pissed someone off to the point that they would punch me in the face then I think I would fall on the ground laughing. Real life is just as hilarious as the internet.
lol and im sure if their were a bunch on players in a internet cafe and you were getting ganked all day by this one A$$h0le then you look next to you and he was the one ganking you lmao and you asked him to stop and you wouldn't you'd prolly would punch him in the face after a certain point but im sure this situation is rare haha.

Yea i hated getting ganked so much definatly half the reason i hated leveling but the only time i would gank people was when A. i was bored which was why ppl prolly did it to me and B. which is my main reason was if i /wave and they didn't do it back or /bow or ran from me, i then would frickin mount up and pounce pwn that fool.... yea i said pounce pwn too.
yeh i'm that CraZy

havedeath

11-06-2007, 06:49 AM

I love to be ganked and gank back. I love to kill any and every enemy I come across regardless of levels. That said I'm not gonna waste all my time and effort killing low level people for no rewards. I'll still spend 90+% of my time in the tier4 areas city sieging and high level RVRing.

Daisy

11-07-2007, 02:14 PM

Eldaran

11-07-2007, 02:31 PM

Ganking on my terms is when a much more powerful and geared player kills a much weaker player. Which is just plain pathetic and stupid.

This is what i think when i hear the word "Ganking" . I have no problem being pvped by someone a few levels above me. Soon I will be able to compete with them. or atleast I have some small chance of overcoming it. I HATE it when someone 30 levels above me comes and one shots me on his way to some other location. WHAT WAS THE POINT?!?! its just funny to exert your power over another person. Its another form of bullying. So you sickos who think its fun, go slaughter and skin your dog in your backyard or something. For real....

Zimjin

11-07-2007, 02:54 PM

(I define "ganking" as "any fight where one party had absolutely no chance to win". This includes veteran vs newbie but also includes, say, 5 vs 1 or 40 vs 5 or full health vs almost dead, etc.)

I like "ganking" as a concept. It's a rush to be doing something really boring in-game, yet constantly having to keep a watch out because I could, at any moment, get ganked.

I have avoided many a gank in my day simply by staying alert, watching my surroundings, knowing where to fight and where to avoid and knowing when to start running.

This is a feeling that "battleground" type setups cannot convey.

And it's just as satisfying to gank someone who was apparently having a tea party in the park and not paying any attention. Are we here to play or to make tea? Let's play. I'll play. You do what you like.

Pseudoman

11-07-2007, 02:58 PM

If I pissed someone off to the point that they would punch me in the face then I think I would fall on the ground laughing. Real life is just as hilarious as the internet.
Nothing like a teenage sociopath with too much time on his hands.

Cinc

11-07-2007, 03:30 PM

My definition of ganking is killing people mid pull in a PvE area or killing someone much lower level that can't put up a fight. These rules only apply in PvE areas. I don't really see anything as ganking in an RvR area. If you choose to be in that area you know the risk.

I tried the FFA server in DAOC when it came out and it seems the lowest common denominator occupied those servers. Level 30s would run rounds in the low level dungeons looking for anyone that just hit lvl 10 and wipe them out. There was 24/7 bindstone camping, city entrance camping, dungeon entrance camping. You can't really complain about being ganked if it's a known risk where you are, area wise or server wise.

I just worry about PvE griefing or exploiting mechanics to allow ganking. On Mordred high levels would run into spawns that low levels were killing in hopes of getting caught in an ae spell so the low levels would become pvp flagged. They would also kill entire camps of low level mobs just to grief lower level players. I hope that you have to actively turn on your PvP flag on the regular servers opposed to being auto flagged if you try to attack the enemy.

Keldorn

11-07-2007, 04:46 PM

While I´m a supporter of consensual PvP I don´t exactly hate ganking.

What I really hate are people who just can´t understand what a certain game is supposed to be and/or can´t understand its not exclusively *their* game.

You don´t like getting ganked? Don´t play on a PvP server. Don´t play Darkfall or Shadowbane and expect them to put in safezones.

You want to gank? Don´t expect PvE servers to change their rules. Don´t waste your time trying to tell convinced PvE´rs who wonderfully fun getting ganked is.

Inform yourself about a game and its possible server types. Choose the one that suits your style of playing best. End of story.

Games are designed for a certain niche - or for the mainstream, whatever it is - *not* for me or for you. The perfect game exists in our imagination only. We´ll have to take the closest thing we can get and accept it.

So, play the way you prefer, choose your game/server accordingly - and don´t expect other players to adhere to your personal style of playing.

In most modern games "ganking" is only a problem if at a certain point you agreed to it.

Blackmoon042

11-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Ganking is for stupid little "I PWN U NUB" kids; jobless, punk, "e-gangsta" hardcore-gaming young male adults and people that enjoy making others feel like s**t, because they were harassed and beaten when they were younger, or had a hard life, so they come to MMOGs to take out their frustration upon others, which in turn causes the world to become an even worse place than it is now.

I don't like ganking.

Honestly, though, I don't have a huge problem with ganking; I only really hate it when it turns into griefing or when someone thinks they're "good" and they have "mad skillz" when they win in a fight which was extremely one-sided, and their side being the one that has little to no chance of losing.

Loekii

11-07-2007, 08:25 PM

This forum has demonstrated that there are many different definitions of 'Ganking' -- everything from attacking someone that is not at 100% health to only when you are using a computer program weakness.

Aysop

11-07-2007, 11:17 PM

Nothing like a teenage sociopath with too much time on his hands.

umm..you might want to check that. I'm not a teenager, but I'd be willing to bet that you'd fit that bill.

Ranti

11-07-2007, 11:49 PM

If I pissed someone off to the point that they would punch me in the face then I think I would fall on the ground laughing. Real life is just as hilarious as the internet.

except in real life you are bleeding instead of laughing yeah?

but anyway if this is your only way to get kicks and giggles then you are a pretty sad person.

Aysop

11-08-2007, 12:05 AM

except in real life you are bleeding instead of laughing yeah?

but anyway if this is your only way to get kicks and giggles then you are a pretty sad person.

What's with these people trying to flame me? I can assure you that I am perfectly capable of getting my kicks and giggles from multiple sources by various means.

Kalyptein

11-08-2007, 12:48 AM

Don't feed the trolls - lets not turn this game into WoW eh? :)

CrusherDestroyer

11-08-2007, 04:27 AM

Everyone has there own definition of what it is to "gank" someone, so I doubt this poll will be very accurate.

As for myself I don't necessarily go out of my way to prey on hapless noobs incapable of effectively fighting back, however, I also play by the mantra "if it's red it's dead". If you're flagged for PvP then you're fair game.

Browncoat-WHA

11-08-2007, 05:53 AM

The problem with a ganking thread is that people inevitably start getting angry at each other for having different definitions of it. So let's remember that not everyone is going to agree on the same definition and keep things civil, eh?

Sangi

11-08-2007, 06:11 AM

Most of you say that ganking is just griefing of other players and you hate it.

But let me tell you, that Im so so sure, that most of you tried it and, to be honest really enjoyed it.

Nobody likes to get ganked, but everyone likes to gank and grief others.

Gorrr

11-08-2007, 06:20 AM

I dont mind ganking and being ganked.

I wont be corpse camping lowbies unless they provoke it or call for help ...

But if i see you fighting 2 mobs, i ll snipe you and grab the kill ( and try to let the mob finish you off so you have to waste more money to repair) (oh ya... putting a snare on someone with low health running away from mobs is always fun too! )

If i see you alone, or with a certain amount of friends in the wilderness ( when it's possibly for me to win) i ll use all the tricks in the book to finish you all off and then stand there leveling untill you rez and kill you again till you flee (as in run away too fast for me to kill you again)

I guess it's more like protecting my grounds... but chances are, that if you are red to me, you are dead ( no matter the level, i even attacked lvl 60s on my lvl 40 rogue alt and lvl 50ish warlock in wow )

So anyways... i dont think it's too much fun to kill a bunch of lowbies and camp them, but it sure is fun to kill someone your level and camp them.

I know how much people cry when they get attacked after a fight with a mob, but that's their problem because it's their fault they werent cautious - i ve been attacked like that many times, and mostly won ( or died and came back for revenge)

Teraven

11-08-2007, 09:19 AM

I like the ability for it to happen, and in a game based around mortal enemies seems kind of stupid if you couldn't. Mind you I am unlikely to go do it myself, except maybe to go check out what the hostiles zones look like for a bit (or a change for a couple hours from other things). The chicken mechanic should take care of griefing for the most part though. ( I don't equate ganking with griefing)

That said I am an EVE player so I am used to harsh by now. I just suck it up, then go get revenge. (but I actually play in a not red don't shoot alliance, which I geuss makes me the least evil of the EVE player types ;))

Edit- Cuz I speels goodz

Keldorn

11-08-2007, 04:18 PM

Nobody likes to get ganked, but everyone likes to gank and grief others.

Thats just one of those cheap excuses, as are "they´d do the same if our positions were reversed" "I´m protecting the newbs of my own faction" or "its my revenge for getting ganked myself".

Frankly you don´t *need* such excuses. Just play on a server that allows ganking. Everyone there has agreed to it, its nothing special there. Be honest enough to admit you´re doing it for your own fun and thats the long and short of it.

And no *I* don´t like to gank - as in killing someone obviously not interested and/or able in fighting me - I just feel bad for ruining someone´s fun for no reason. Then again, I prefer consensual PvP, and I have no qualms about a "dirty" fight when people are explicitly around for PvP.

Berrik

11-08-2007, 04:22 PM

I don't really like to gank, but I love killing gankers. I also like it when a small ganking escalates into group pvping.

It's also entertaining to narrowly escape a gank then get to safety to mock him.

Baradun

11-08-2007, 04:39 PM

Blaze

11-08-2007, 07:53 PM

Places I loved to level in on Pve servers because of the community spirit and interaction in those particular areas, when I switched to Pvp servers those places I once loved had become desolate wastelands thanks to ganking.

Nobody wanted to go there any more, soon enough the gankers left and it was just another waste of space zone nobody wanted to be in.

Ganking hurts the community and takes away from the fun experiences new players would have otherwise had if the gankers had no reason to be there.

A strong bond with the game isnt formed, and people leave, less profit for the company and unhappy customers all round. Ganking helps no one.

I had the exact opposite experience. At least in WoW.

On the PvE server I played everyone just leveled with friends or at their own pace, almost never interacting unless they had to for some group quest or instance.

On the PvP server I played there was furious gank wars going on all over the place. Sure some lame people were ganking lowbies, but there was plenty of cool action going on in the 30+ areas among equal level people. Especially STV was a lot of fun. I go in alone and run into gank squads of four people, and I'm forced to band together with other stragglers to survive. I met so many people by fighting with them in random world PvP who I added to my friends list. And we would then support each other and come help if anyone was in trouble.

The best times I had in WoW pvp was not in the lame battlegrounds, or even arena. It was those times when I was ganked by several people, forcing me to call backup to take revenge, then they call backup. And then other people in the area get drawn in, and pretty soon we have a spontaneous war going on in Sorrow Hill or some place that lasts several hours. Of course, those things more or less vanished after the BGs were introduced.

Still, good times...

Barok

11-08-2007, 08:31 PM

Loekii

11-08-2007, 08:31 PM

Of course, those things more or less vanished after the BGs were introduced.

I think that is a statement about how the majority of players felt about the experience.

If everyone felt all warm and fuzzy about world PvP, the BGs would have failed and had empty queues, as the population continued to have these mini-wars.

However, as soon as another option arrived, people abandoned the mini-wars, which suggests they were not nearly as enjoyable as people try to paint.

Loekii

11-08-2007, 08:38 PM

Ganking is a strategic necessity in most games, in my opinion. It would be pure madness for a Runepriest to try to whack an Orc Choppa out alone at point blank range. Although ganking can seem unfair, it's all about circumstances. If I weren't a big Black Orc, and if I were a puny dwarven Engineer, I'd probably be afraid to get ganked, but because of my position as a tank, it's my job to take that gank, and utilize your cowardice against you :>

- Barok

Another example of the different definitions of ganking.

It sounds more like 'attack', instead of Gank. Not saying your opinion is inaccurate, but rather pointing out the wide range of defining the word -- and how such a wide range crosses back and forth between what could be considered gameplay to what could be considered unfair/cheating.

Blaze

11-08-2007, 09:12 PM

I think that is a statement about how the majority of players felt about the experience.

If everyone felt all warm and fuzzy about world PvP, the BGs would have failed and had empty queues, as the population continued to have these mini-wars.

However, as soon as another option arrived, people abandoned the mini-wars, which suggests they were not nearly as enjoyable as people try to paint.

People abandoned world pvp because there was nothing to gain from it, compared to the battlegrounds where one could effectively farm honor and get gear. Understandable, but not really a question if they were enjoyable or not.

In fact, PvP servers became much worse after the BGs came along. Before that you could actually get help is some lvl ?? decided to gank you and corpse camp you. Afterwards "world pvp" became nothing but random griefers going around looking for someone to torment, the occasional fight over quest mobs and people going around the popular farming places looking for trouble, while everyone else was queuing up for BGs and dueling outside the city gate.

I stopped leveling alts on the PvP server I played, it seemed a little poinless after that. Whenever you attacked someone of your own level, their main/high lvl friend was guaranteed to show up and one-shot you. So I did battlegrounds when I wanted to PvP and have an somewhat even fight, and they were pretty fun despite the other failures of the honor system.

But the pvp servers were no longer "PvP servers" where the Alliance and the Horde were at war, they were now "gank-anyone-you-want servers" where noone really cared about a honest fight and the whole point of pvp was to grief someone.

Sorry for the rant. Feel free to ignore this post. Went off on a tangent a bit there...

Eldaran

11-08-2007, 09:17 PM

Blaze's above post is everything that I feel about my WoW PvP server. I am so frustrated with WoW right now I would rather troll these forums all night long instead of actually playing that game. *which I have been doing instead*

Gloovish

11-08-2007, 09:36 PM

Eldaran

11-08-2007, 09:52 PM

This thread is getting out of hand. LOL

Baradun

11-08-2007, 10:03 PM

I had the exact opposite experience. At least in WoW.

On the PvE server I played everyone just leveled with friends or at their own pace, almost never interacting unless they had to for some group quest or instance.

On the PvP server I played there was furious gank wars going on all over the place. Sure some lame people were ganking lowbies, but there was plenty of cool action going on in the 30+ areas among equal level people. Especially STV was a lot of fun. I go in alone and run into gank squads of four people, and I'm forced to band together with other stragglers to survive. I met so many people by fighting with them in random world PvP who I added to my friends list. And we would then support each other and come help if anyone was in trouble.

The best times I had in WoW pvp was not in the lame battlegrounds, or even arena. It was those times when I was ganked by several people, forcing me to call backup to take revenge, then they call backup. And then other people in the area get drawn in, and pretty soon we have a spontaneous war going on in Sorrow Hill or some place that lasts several hours. Of course, those things more or less vanished after the BGs were introduced.

Still, good times...

Good point, comradary through necesity. same as with Pve, say you have a dungeon you need to work through in a group to get to a boss, in Pvp you have a zone you need to stick together in to complete your quests. though at the end theres no real pvp boss / reward like there is in a pve dungeon you've grouped together for.

Unless ofcause we add in "Renown" points towards gear rewards and if you stick it out long enough a chance at the "dartboard" reward system for the people who stuck it out till the end for some descent gear. dependant on how much effort you've added for "Contribution" to the pvp war effort.

Still a hell of a lot better than "join an uber guild and spend 22.8 hours a day raiding for your gear"

Or "Pvp for 12 months till youve got enough points to earn those "Elven Pants of the Prancin' Fairy".

Gorlak

11-09-2007, 02:52 AM

Ganking is for the weak.

Zimjin

11-09-2007, 08:26 AM

Barok

11-09-2007, 08:35 AM

Another example of the different definitions of ganking.

It sounds more like 'attack', instead of Gank. Not saying your opinion is inaccurate, but rather pointing out the wide range of defining the word -- and how such a wide range crosses back and forth between what could be considered gameplay to what could be considered unfair/cheating.

I'm glad you pointed this out. Really, if I was to define gank, I would pull the root words from it. Gang and kill. The kill part is self explanatory, and the gang part, well, I think you get the idea that it contains a group of other players. To be honest, ganking might seem like a "cheap" tactic at times, but it's a very efficient way of playing, and in PvP/RvR combat, the whole Guild/Party system is built on the idea that if you get a GANG of people together, you'll be able to KILL people faster and more efficiently, without significant loss.

My two cents on why getting ganked can be frustrating, but doing the ganking can be a necessity to the game.

- Barok

Loekii

11-09-2007, 08:53 AM

I agree.

I don't see trying to have numerical superiorty as a 'negative tactic'.

I would like to not see it as a trump card -- where the side with the most players, regardless of quality, wins -- but rather just see it as one of the many tools available to groups to play.

The types of 'Ganking' that I see as bad:

Corpse camping
Sand-bagging (Lv40 v lv15)
'zone-in' camping (attacking players as they are 'loading into a zone)
abusing/using weaknesses in the program or system to gain significant advantage (Blue-Flag exploits, Terran Exploits, faction exploits, hacks, Flag traps like running into an AOE spell not intended for you, etc)
Twink Exploits -- (in some cases, ie WoW enchants, but not level appropriate Blue/Purple gear).The types of 'Ganking' that I see as 'okay/legal', or as part of the game:

Zerging (attacking with Numerical superiority)
Attacking engaged players (Jumping an enemy already fighting a mob)
Attacking a player low on health
Attacking a player that is AFK in a danger area.
attacking a player while they are working on a long quest
Using friendly NPCs against the opponent.There are other thing for both lists, but its a start. I think many people have different lists, and that is why I think it is important to clearly define what an OP is meaning when they use the word 'Ganking'.

Barok

11-09-2007, 08:59 AM

Well, I have to say thank you. That post pretty much sums up the majority of my personal thoughts on ganking. At the least players now know what will get them flamed in game and what is just plain strategical :>.

- Barok

Zimjin

11-09-2007, 12:14 PM

I agree with Loekii's list.

All of the "bad" ganking is really a result of poor game design. The "good" ganking is just a natural side effect of a PvP RPG environment and trying to "fix" those would break more than it fixes.

Blaze

11-09-2007, 02:39 PM

Hopefully Warhammer will do a better job of rewarding outdoor PvP.

Well, in WAR there will always be at least some point in killing other players. No matter where you kill someone you get exp, reknown and perhaps some loot. You might not contribute victory point though, those only seem to come from group based objectives.

And I also agree with Loekii's list. Exept I usually wait for someone to finish their mob before I attack them, though I don't necessarily wait for them to get full health. But thats just a personal thing I do to so people don't just give up and ignore me as I kill them (I noticed people often do that if you attack them while a mob is on them), I don't care if someone ganks me while I'm attacking a mob.

Loekii

11-09-2007, 04:24 PM

I don't play by 'Red=Dead'.

Sometimes I will engage, other times I will not. It really depends upon what I am doing at the time and what I know of the enemy player.

If they have been 'bad' in the past to others, then I take the time to go after them. If they have been 'good', I might give them a nod, might throw some damage on the mob they are fighting, or I might just continue on without stopping.

And I never would jump someone that has zero chance of defeating me because of their level. I might scare them, but I am not going to put them in the ground. Thats what the other little folks are for.

For me, War is not really personal, but rather a job. I might let the enemy live out in the wild, only to chop him/her down on the front line.

Ultimately, it is about having fun, for both sides.

Pugslah

11-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Me Me I do!! \o/ ;)

With my Rogue(WoW) I enjoyed killing people who were farming mats. Waiting for the prefect moment to strike. Squishie Caster classes are like a gift from heaven.:D

Low Levels most the time i'll leave 'em alone, buuuuut sometimes I'll run over, and kill any pet if they have any.

If I can't beat someone I grab a guildie or two, and go back for more.:)

Grim and Frostbitten

11-09-2007, 09:44 PM

I like to gank and it doesn't really bother me when i get ganked.

Tbaism

11-09-2007, 10:02 PM

I never cared to gank. It never appeared that appealing to me, and I consider it the first sign of weakness, insecurity, and a god complex that could only be fulfilled and fed through an unrealistic setting, world, and environment. I have played with friends like many in MMO's, and just about everyone said "you will gank as well when you reach X level". I never did.

The same goes for chasing down those who ganked me and trying to continually fight the person with low lvl characters. It is a waste of time, and an overall unfufilling and pathetic experience. I don't disband or leave a group, simply because I see an enemy player. If it were a raid, who's main objective would be to sack a city and leave nothing but devastation and havoc, maybe. Then again, I still had an actually objective and goal in mind, that wasn't utterly as pointless and insignificant, as stalking lowbies and finishing them with the 1-2 hit combo.

Reverend Dhampir

11-10-2007, 12:37 AM

I have mixed feeling on ganking, and it depends completely on the game. In the old SWG (Pre-CU) it was a blast having 20-man gank squads show up at your guildhall. Having a mob of 20 rebels taunting us outside, then everyone flagging and rushing out to attack. It held the guild together and provided a good time for everyone. Even when you were caught alone, it brought everyone out for revenge anyway.

In WoW ganking is usually a couple of S2 geared warrior or just a rogue and druid with nothing better to do that runs around killing people. It isn't really fun for either party involved, and if it is they usually can't killing anyone with close to half their gear. All it does is slightly slow down the opposing faction. If I see someone ganking "lowbies" I will stop to kill them, and proceed to corpse camp them. For nothing other than to return the favor. Otherwise, just leave the rest alone.

Earthfang

11-10-2007, 09:02 PM

This poll needed a legend with a list of definitions.

Gorrr

11-15-2007, 07:44 PM

People abandoned world pvp because there was nothing to gain from it, compared to the battlegrounds where one could effectively farm honor and get gear. Understandable, but not really a question if they were enjoyable or not.

In fact, PvP servers became much worse after the BGs came along. Before that you could actually get help is some lvl ?? decided to gank you and corpse camp you. Afterwards "world pvp" became nothing but random griefers going around looking for someone to torment, the occasional fight over quest mobs and people going around the popular farming places looking for trouble, while everyone else was queuing up for BGs and dueling outside the city gate.

I stopped leveling alts on the PvP server I played, it seemed a little poinless after that. Whenever you attacked someone of your own level, their main/high lvl friend was guaranteed to show up and one-shot you. So I did battlegrounds when I wanted to PvP and have an somewhat even fight, and they were pretty fun despite the other failures of the honor system.

But the pvp servers were no longer "PvP servers" where the Alliance and the Horde were at war, they were now "gank-anyone-you-want servers" where noone really cared about a honest fight and the whole point of pvp was to grief someone.

Sorry for the rant. Feel free to ignore this post. Went off on a tangent a bit there...

I dunno, leveling a druit alt in a contested zone and having an epic gank-war with a paladin and 2 hunters ( my or higher then mine level) was hella fun. We both used every trick in a book to kill each other and we did quite a few times... and then we also were killing quest mobs inbetween.

I was camped by ?? a few times and so what... it didnt hurt. Just, like, try to run away or GY rez or go play an alt?

It was actually a lot of fun running away from lvl 60s in original WoW when i was back in STV... Hiding behind trees and jumping/swimming so they wouldnt be able to follow me with mounts. It was a LOT of fun.Just drop the min/max mentality and understand it's just a game.

Blaze

11-15-2007, 08:26 PM

I dunno, leveling a druit alt in a contested zone and having an epic gank-war with a paladin and 2 hunters ( my or higher then mine level) was hella fun. We both used every trick in a book to kill each other and we did quite a few times... and then we also were killing quest mobs inbetween.

I was camped by ?? a few times and so what... it didnt hurt. Just, like, try to run away or GY rez or go play an alt?

It was actually a lot of fun running away from lvl 60s in original WoW when i was back in STV... Hiding behind trees and jumping/swimming so they wouldnt be able to follow me with mounts. It was a LOT of fun.Just drop the min/max mentality and understand it's just a game.

Well, running away isn't my idea of fun, but to each his own.

That post was me beeing sentimental and getting a whiny rant out of my system. I've never gotten pissed off because some lvl ?? corpse camped me, indeed I have often rolled my eyes when people start whining about getting ganked on a pvp server. Like, what do they expect?
I just miss the days when the game was new and people used to fight just for the sake of fighting. At least on my server, the outdoor pvp didn't consist entirely of some kind of griefing. It was taking turns ganking each other and fighting over questmobs for hours to add some spice to the grind, not getting ganked once and then getting your main to come own that lowbie who dared attack their alt on a pvp server. I never get my main if someone of my level ganks and kills me, I try to get revenge instead of doing the MMO equivalent of running to mommy.

Faezroth

12-08-2007, 05:20 PM

I usually don't gank but that depends on the situation. In warcraft, when playing with an alt, i would usually not attack even players around the same level i met that seemed to not be hostile. If someone attacked me though, i would camp him until his eyes bleed and until he is forced to log out or spirit rez. And if the ganker was higher level, more than one, or something similar, i would usually have my main logged out nearby to quickly log in and proceed to gank him until a disconnect/suicide on his part.

As for this game i would like the option of ganking lower players available, though i don't intend to spend time doing it.

Nilrem

12-08-2007, 05:30 PM

Ganking is for the unskilled, easily amused, and generally immature player. Yes i know this is a generalization. But it s largely accurate

cabal

12-08-2007, 06:06 PM

Ok for me its a hade love thingy

You cant play with it, cant play with out it.

I tend too get a boost of andralin kick from it

too be or not too be Ganked that is the Question.

Please ganked me......please....ahhh another deaf drawf engineer.

Crunchie

12-08-2007, 07:34 PM

I love ganking.

I love making people angry from ganking.

It's a PvP game. If you don't enjoy that, why waste your free time playing a game with it ?

I also find it fun trying to break up a group of gankers (even though I voted for the first option) I have often been commented on, and made friends, by not giving up and also becoming a very good PvPer from fighting uneven fights. I probably find it more fun than ganking, but I still enjoy owning with a group of mates and having a laugh.

As long as I find it fun why should I be bothered if my enemy is finding it fun ? =/ Paying for a game monthly that's PvP/RvR oriented and then not doing that because you might upset someone you don't know is stupid. So yea, be ganked or GTFO =P

Hedley

12-08-2007, 08:13 PM

to the 37 people and counting that voted for the first choice i only have 1 question for you:

how do you like your chaos chicken, regular or extra crispy?

Crunchie

12-08-2007, 08:25 PM

how do you like your chaos chicken, regular or extra crispy?

Chaos chicken will only protect you from getting ganked by higher levels, which is only one form of ganking. So... you are not safe yet.. HaHa!

The unofficial definition of ganking is where there is an insurmonutable advantage over someone else.

Engelfaust

12-09-2007, 09:31 AM

I've always killed anyone and everyone who appeared hostile to me, either his name was red, he was waiting to attack me when I let my guard down, or was aiding my enemy. I'm sure the average MMO player has experienced the "Hey guys, there's a ??? level orc running around near me", while many would let them continue to send would-be vanquishers against them, I was the one who would send them to the graveyard. Did I enjoy being ganked for seemingly no reason when I was minding my own business? Of course not, but after playing for so long it really doesn't strike me as cowardice or unfairness anymore, I've sort of grown indifferent to it.

I'm glad there is a system in place to sort of usher people towards enemies of their general level, it was really the lack of entertainment from the endgame that would drive high level players back into the lowbie realms looking for a fight. My advice for avoiding the mess altogether is to level up and show a ganker what it's like to pick on someone their own size.

Gray

12-09-2007, 09:50 AM

I love to gank so much I wish WAR would give me a /teabag command.

I also like the rush of being able to gank or get ganked at any time.

I also hate ganking. Ganking is nothing but griefing of other players.

I also other.

P.S.

Stop making stupid polls or I will gank you when this comes out.

Dyst

12-09-2007, 10:06 AM

For example I could be a level 70 rogue ganking a level 70 warrior who is recovering his health after a fight or just standing somewhere.

No, ganking is when you have an unfair advantage.

Like killing someone who is AFK, but it is usually described as when one high level kills a low level.

Which is a sucky thing to do. It's not really that fun either, I've tried it. It's just annoying for the person getting ganked.

Nerror

12-09-2007, 10:18 AM

No, ganking is when you have an unfair advantage.

Like killing someone who is AFK, but it is usually described as when one high level kills a low level.

Which is a sucky thing to do. It's not really that fun either, I've tried it. It's just annoying for the person getting ganked.

Ganking is also about being outnumbered. When 2 gang up against 1 and kill him, it's also called ganking. Too many different definitions to make the poll worth anything. "Gank" originally comes from two words GANg Kill, meaning just that; superior numbers killing a target. All the other meanings and associations are later additions.

World RvR encounters usually involve ganking, because one side will often be outnumbered, and thus killed.

Valinox Ruina

12-09-2007, 11:23 AM

Ganking low level players is one thing, because there is no fair way to fight. The low level player will just get murdered. In this case... the ganker is a bad, immature player who cant fight people of his own level.

Ganking of AFKers, 2v1... those kind of situations of players who are equal level is fine. The person getting ganked has put themself into a position of it, and all is fair. If you go AFK in an RvR area, you deserve to be ganked. As for 2v1 fights... you cant help how many people you come across in open RvR... you could run across a full visi group, just sucks to be you. On the other hand, you could run into a solo while your in a group... so its just bad luck i guess.

Nightsoldier

12-09-2007, 11:56 AM

I ganked a little in wow when i played it but only for about 2 guys. I wanted to see why so many people were killing me when i was a lowbie. I was wondering why it was fun then i multi shotted 2 hordes and its was just boring. There is not challenge, there is NO fun. Its just "boom" your dead. The most fun i had was trying to stop my buddy whowas getting ganked by taking on a level 60 shaman. THAT was fun because we killed eachother about 10 times each because we were right beside the graveyard. What im saying is there should be no joy to be had by killing someone of a lower level.

"Ganking i approve of is killing someone fighting a mob. If your in the RvR area your fair game. Second killing someone in an "Unfair" fight where we have 2 and hes alone. Shouldnt be traveling alone.

Just my 2 cents on ganking

Vernal

12-09-2007, 08:27 PM

Depending on the definition of ganking,GANg Kill, Im all for it. As long as the person you are ganking is close to or at your level then its fine. If I'm a lvl40 and I see another lvl40 recovering, AFK or fighting a mob, well you're fair game.

Remember If you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly.

Ive been called a ganker for running in and wiping a 5man fighting an outdoor boss mob. Is that ganking? It was 5 vs 1.

When true pvp player sees an enemy he kills him. Anything else is rubbish.

Eleazar

12-10-2007, 02:18 AM

I think everything should be fair game in outdoor areas but maybe secluding some to give some people sanctuary. It really builds camaraderie for your side and hatred for the other, so if anything it makes the community more interesting. I can see the other side though and know how frustrating it is to be killed over and over by some high level player.

I've always been pretty honorable about killing people, rarely killing someone below me and usually I help the other side if I see them getting in over their head in some quest. I think little gestures of courtesy can go a long way to reduce high level ganking too. But to answer the thread, no, I don't like ganking, not my style.

Archy

12-10-2007, 02:27 AM

Gank. n. to show disrespect for; to hurt another's feelings.

YajoojMajooj

12-10-2007, 02:45 AM

ganking low lvls suck ganking the same lvl players rules!

Nerror

12-10-2007, 01:10 PM

Gank. n. to show disrespect for; to hurt another's feelings.

No that would be griefing. Not the same thing. Wherever you got that from is in error. Unless they mean it as one of the secondary meanings that in some instances can be tied to the word.

Archy

12-10-2007, 01:13 PM

No that would be griefing. Not the same thing.

See, you say that, but I looked that definition up in the dictionary. That is the true definition of "gank", not something I made up. The word gank has become something entirely different than what it orginally meant. Not only that, but people use the word in so many different contexts and descriptions I can't even follow it anymore.

Nerror

12-10-2007, 02:35 PM

See, you say that, but I looked that definition up in the dictionary. That is the true definition of "gank", not something I made up. The word gank has become something entirely different than what it orginally meant. Not only that, but people use the word in so many different contexts and descriptions I can't even follow it anymore.

What dictionary? And it most certainly isn't the "true definition" of gank. :)
(Nvm, found it. Dictionary.com. I sent them a mail telling them they got it wrong and to expand a lot on the definitions. :p)

Perhaps we should compile a list of all the definitions of gank.

Earth Dragon

12-10-2007, 02:59 PM

What dictionary? And it most certainly isn't the "true definition" of gank. :)
(Nvm, found it. Dictionary.com. I sent them a mail telling them they got it wrong and to expand a lot on the definitions. :p)

Perhaps we should compile a list of all the definitions of gank.
They didn't get it wrong. The word gets thrown around so much anymore that it is useless. This is a terrible poll since it can't properly reflect our true opinions.

If you were to poll people on "Do you think they should let a lvl 40 gank a lvl 15?" you would have a much different result.

Trennet

12-10-2007, 03:08 PM

f you were to poll people on "Do you think they should let a lvl 40 gank a lvl 15?" you would have a much different result.

Agreed. Nice idea, but it's unfortunately pretty inaccurate.

Vernal

12-10-2007, 05:51 PM

- Gank .
Player vs. Player: To attack another player while they're trying to fight a monster.

http://www.mmoglossary.com/mmorpg_terms/1/index.html

gank : (verb) Gang up on someone unprovoked. (See grief (http://kronocide.com/game_related/mmorpgese/#grief).)

http://kronocide.com/game_related/mmorpgese/

Gank Verb. To be ganked is a term referring to one player being overwhelmed and killed by a large group. Can be either by a group of other players doing player-kill or a group of NPC monsters. Used in a sentence, "I got ganked yesterday in Fel." Typically has the connotation that the other people had an unfair advantage (in number or level).

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001313.php

Vernal

12-10-2007, 05:53 PM

Gank and grief are two different things. If you are running around and happen to come up upon some lvl15 and you kill him thats ganking. If you run around looking for lvl15s, kill them over and over then thats griefing.

There is nothing wrong with ganking, thats why there are safe starting zones. But when you are in a pvp zone its fair game. Know the risks of being in a pvp zone or go play some other game.

Desin

12-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Hi,

I plan to kill anyone and everyone that is on the opposing faction regardless of level or area. This is a war am i right? This isn't to say i am above courtesy when its shown to me. But in general , i hold true to my WoW saying : " If its RED make it DEAD"

/teabag

Desin

Festo

12-11-2007, 12:29 PM

Dracius

12-11-2007, 12:41 PM

After reading
I wish WAR would give me a /teabag
I didn't even have to read the other options, I knew what I was gonna vote for.:-D

Vidrak

12-11-2007, 02:57 PM

I voted for the second choice, I like the rush of ganking or being ganked.

About the only time I gank people is when I raid a large town or something for the hell of it. And there are lowers around, so they obviously get killed in the process. I don't actively go out and kill lower levels.

But the thrill of being ganked is fun, at times. As long as it does not turn into a griefing situation, a good ganking keeps you on your toes :) Also, fleeying, trying to escape, or tricking the higher level player is always a fun challenge here and there. Plus, I always find it humorous the things people find and do in games.

It is too bad the chicken will take care of that in WAR :-(

Lord Tareq

12-11-2007, 03:22 PM

I'm more of the old school pvp'er that first makes himself known to the enemy before striking and trying to get fair fights where skill matters. Even on my WoW rogue on a PvP server I usually waited till someone was fully restored before attacking (hated those lame rogues killing someone who was fighting a few mobs and low on health) and occasionally even unstealthed for a second to let them know I'm there. Sure it ment less "honor" points (shows how much that honor is worth lol, you get penalized for acting honourably) but it gave me a better feeling, especially since I felt rogues were horribly overpowered (unable to gank them due to super escape abilities and they can pick their fights, that alone makes an awesome class, let alone all the stuns and incapacitate skills they have) in world PvP.

To get to the point, I dislike ganking.

Vernal

12-11-2007, 03:31 PM

Lord Tareq

12-11-2007, 03:34 PM

If you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan it properly.

Actually, getting into a fair fight takes far more proper planning then getting into an unfair fight.

dampunge

12-11-2007, 04:02 PM

I like to gank sometime. just the feeling of being better than someone els and feel you have achieved something through all the work with your character is great, but indeed it ruins the game for everyone else so I think the decision Mythic have made is best

Vernal

12-11-2007, 04:04 PM

Actually, getting into a fair fight takes far more proper planning then getting into an unfair fight.

Not if you are planning to have the best chance of winning. I'd rather win dishonorably than lose with honor. Its the druchii way. If you want to be all Bushido and all, I suggest you roll high elf.

Lord Tareq

12-11-2007, 04:10 PM

Not if you are planning to have the best chance of winning. I'd rather win dishonorably than lose with honor. Its the druchii way. If you want to be all Bushido and all, I suggest you roll high elf.

Don't suggest me what to do, high elves, pff :evil: Also, I may roleplay a Dark Elf, I'm not one myself. I'm not going to rob other players of their ingame currency either by sending fake Cash on Delivery Presents either even though that would be suitably evil for a dark elf to do.
And winning is not the end all be all, having fun is far more important for me. I rather loose in style after a tense and well played battle against another player, then win cheap by killing an unprepared lower level player. Note that I'm not saying I'll never attack someone when I run into someone, on the contrary, I might prefer proper fights but that doesn't mean I'll never kill some easy targets.

Velorium

12-11-2007, 05:01 PM

Ganking = Win.

You should expect it at every turn then you get sucessfully Ganked. I do, and everytime someome ambushes me.. they get rolled :(

/teabag

Varcaed

12-11-2007, 05:43 PM

The options are not really that clear tbh. Ganking and griefing are separate situations.

I choose the second option because I like to attack someone when/if I feel like it, and enjoy the danger of being attacked myself. But I wouldnt condone lowbie ganking.(or griefing as you would refer to it)

Browncoat-WHA

12-11-2007, 11:53 PM

I think this is probably a good place to tie off the discussion, folks. Good points all around. I do agree that the poll could have used a bit more clarification. The definition of ganking really is pretty subjective, and there are some with middle ground here that aren't sure what to check, skewing the poll and making it less productive than it could have been.

*LOCKED with the lack of a /teabag command*