November's Career: Ranged DPS or Healer?

[Dastion]

Pretty simple, which career do you think will be revealed this month? My bet is the ranged DPS, simply because the DE Healer is such a controversial issue that they'll want to get as much forum discussion and speculation over it as is possible so as to keep the fires stoked.

[Ayetalam]

Ranged DPS most likely. so they can keep the battle for the healer going.

[Gemini]

Well, assuming that there will be a playable Sorc at all(most but not all seem to agree with this), telling us the ranged DPS would also give us a very big hint about the support class. If they say Sorc is ranged dps, we know they obviously aren't support, and would mean that maybe the bloodpriest/annoited folks are right. However, if they tell us a non-sorc ranged DPS class, it's a good bet(but not total proof) that Sorc will be support.

So, with all the above assumptions, I believe they will reveal the Sorcoress to us, as support, and leave us guessing for the ranged DPS slot.

[Yvo]

White Lions, just because they hate us.

It will most likely be ranged dps, but either way we'll know.

[Zoatibix]

No, it will be Healer, just to keep the Corsair fans dangling the bit longer :twisted:

[WarMachine]

It would be nice for them just to release the rest of the classes....

[Feigro]

It would be nice for them just to release the rest of the classes....

Well if they wanted to do that they would've done it a year ago.

[WarMachine]

Well if they wanted to do that they would've done it a year ago.
Well, from what it sounded like, a year ago they wern't even sure of all the classes.

[Feigro]

Well, from what it sounded like, a year ago they wern't even sure of all the classes.

They definitely knew them. Footage of the Swordmaster mocked up on a whiteboard was released in October (who knows when it was filmed), Concept art for it was released in December, the witch elf (among other DE stuff) was being modeled in February.

They've known them for a year.

(Sure, to be fair, perhaps not all. But again, if they wanted to "just release them" they would've done the ones they were working on)

[Xurré]

Since it seems pretty much a given that Sorceress will be in, I think they’ll probably reveal Sorceress next. Meaning I think they’ll reveal the Healer/Support next.


- Xurré

[mongoose]

Since it seems pretty much a given that Sorceress will be in, I think they’ll probably reveal Sorceress next. Meaning I think they’ll reveal the Healer/Support next.

Indeed the Sorceress will be the key.

If they release the RDPS and its the Sorc. then we know to expect something totally off the wall for the hybrid class and if she gets the Hybrid slot then that narrows the RDPS choices to what we have ALREADY been speculating for months.

On the other hand if they release the RDPS and its NOT the Sorc then we pretty much know who will fill the Hybrid slot, we just dont know how exactly (weather she will be a ranged type or as Estebar suggested from the storyboard, a melee sceptre/sword wielder)

[dutch_gamer]

Ranged DPS most likely. so they can keep the battle for the healer going.

I don't agree it will keep the battle going. When the Ranged DPS is the Sorceress, then it is easy to guess what type of healer you will get, namely a melee one. When the Ranged DPS is not the Sorceress, then the healer will most likely be the Sorceress. No matter what they announce, the 4th career is very easy to guess. The only problem is what the Ranged DPS could be exactly when the Sorceress would take the healer spot. But the healer isn't going to be the problem to guess any longer. Unless, of course, they decide to not say anything about the career and only give us the name. But they showed a podcast about the new HE career as well the other month (the Shadow Warrior) and explained enough to know what they are about.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

Healer.
If sorceress is ranged dps, the healer will be anointed/invented healer.
If sorceress is healer, then we can continue stabbing eacother in the back, with discussions over corsair/shade/beastmaster.

[CapnSquig-WHA]

Yeah, no matter which archtype they actually do announce, it should be rather easy to guess what the other one is.

As it's basically a fact at this point that the Sorc is one of the missing two. And the Sorc can fit in either role.

Sorc as Ranged DPS means melee healer/hybrid. Whether it's a "blood priest" or not is still up for discussion. The Healer/Hybrid could be either Khainite or some other magic based (not Slannesh, that's not an option IMO).

Sorc as Healer/Hybrid means Beastmaster (or maybe Shade) as Ranged DPS (Corsair is not an option here, Corsairs are melee).

So they will likely announce the Sorc, for the reason that it still allows for some guessing as to the last career.
If they announce the non-Sorc career, it's the same as announcing all of them as the Sorc would be the remaining one.

However, if by some crazy twist the Sorc is not one of the Final Two.... then everything is up in the air :) .

[Xurré]

The Healer/Hybrid could be either Khainite or some other magic based (not Slannesh, that's not an option IMO).
A Khainite Healer/Hybrid is far less of an option than a Slaanesh one.


- Xurré

[Lehosh]

Seems like, whichever archetype they actually label it as, the sorceress will be the next career.

Now, what happens if neither archetype is the sorceress? ooOoo

[Selendor]

Remember the carefree days when people thought the debating would end when the melee DPS career was announced? :P

Yeah...I'm guessing they'll reveal the ranged DPS.

[Alota]

One way or another, the debate about who the support is going to be will be over when the new newsletter arrives. when they announce the support, there will still be a debate for the best ranged class (although that one has 3 choises, with none of them being made up/not fitting the lore) When they reveal the Sorceress as support, we will still have a debate on female only or male/female. When they reveal the ranged (and it's not the sorceress) it will be one debate less, so I think they will reveal the support (unless the Blood Priest/Anointed fans are right and they announce the sorceress as ranged, which in that case would still leave only one debate open on female only and male/female)

[Kaid]

One way or another, the debate about who the support is going to be will be over when the new newsletter arrives. when they announce the support, there will still be a debate for the best ranged class (although that one has 3 choises, with none of them being made up/not fitting the lore) When they reveal the Sorceress as support, we will still have a debate on female only or male/female. When they reveal the ranged (and it's not the sorceress) it will be one debate less, so I think they will reveal the support (unless the Blood Priest/Anointed fans are right and they announce the sorceress as ranged, which in that case would still leave only one debate open on female only and male/female)
You have thought this through havn't you :shock:. I usually just go with the flow but you have it all planned out according to what is announced. But, also You forget about the OMG WTF is mythic thinking threads. :grin:

[Alota]

Tbh, I thought it through while writing :p
And I indeed forgot about those threads:rolleyes:

[Kharlene]

I believe we're going to hear about the Sorceress next. But I'm only basing this off of that they first revealed the tank, healer/support, and ranged dps for the HE, I figure sense they released the melee dps and tank for DE, they'll release the healer/support next; which I'm guessing the Sorceress will most likely be, though I'd like to see them as a debuff/dot master range dps caster like the matter sorc or matter cabby in DAoC, still it is possible to do such with them and still have them as a healer, but what can i say, i'm a purest :mrgreen: lol though in the end i don't really care too much, i'll be playing the class either way :wink:

[Aysor]

I believe we're going to hear about the Sorceress next. But I'm only basing this off of that they first revealed the tank, healer/support, and ranged dps for the HE, I figure sense they released the melee dps and tank for DE, they'll release the healer/support next; which I'm guessing the Sorceress will most likely be, though I'd like to see them as a debuff/dot master range dps caster like the matter sorc or matter cabby in DAoC, still it is possible to do such with them and still have them as a healer, but what can i say, i'm a purest :mrgreen: lol though in the end i don't really care too much, i'll be playing the class either way :wink:

Agree with everything you said:D I too hope the Sorc. will play dot/debuff /life drain/health transfer role similar to cab/spiritmaster from DAOC. Not worrying about a pet will be nice too.

[Gemini]

I don't really think they care in what order they release the Archtypes, they want to build up the most suspense and save the biggest annoucements for last (melee pet class probably and whatever isn't the Sorc). However, that theory and the one I posted on page 1 still leads to the same conclusion, so in the end it dosn't really matter.

[Blitz]

It will be the sorceress/er that is revealed regardless of which archetype they fill. It is the most obvious choice, filled with the least suspense. There will be plenty of controversy swirling around the announcement depending on whether or not they stick to lore and keep it female only. This decision alone will fuel many redundant threads filled with complaining and praise both.

[Aqe]

You people have TO MUCH spare time!

[Speedy]

Personally, I think the Sorcerer is going to be the DE version of the Archmage, meaning that it is going to be support/healing. I am not sure if that is how the lore presents them, but based on what I learned from the forums and other various sites, that is the impression I am getting.

And I am getting tired of hearing about Blood priests >=(

[Ayetalam]

Personally, I think the Sorcerer is going to be the DE version of the Archmage, meaning that it is going to be support/healing. I am not sure if that is how the lore presents them, but based on what I learned from the forums and other various sites, that is the impression I am getting.

And I am getting tired of hearing about Blood priests >=(

Blood


Priest!


Anointed!

[Chielz0r]

Im pretty sure they will reveal the obvious class, sorcerer, as support.

[Emeraldw99]

Blood


Priest!


Anointed!

Personally, I hope it isn't the sorceress as the support but that is likely the case.

[Kaid]

It would be a shame really. Poor Dark Elves, castrated by more gender restrictions.

[Dastion]

I also hope that the healing career for DE isn't the Sorcerer, unfortunatly though, I expect that DEs will get a ranged healer since no matter what people say, the Zealot was called the melee healer. War-resource.com even lists them as having a melee attack. The problem is in the implementation, by making the Zealot the debuff career they failed to also give it any real melee capabilities other than the fact that anyone they melee is likely to be debuffed to all hell. Mythic claimed in one of their messages that, based on beta info, they will be making some major changes to some careers. I expect Zealots to be one of those.

From what we have seen, each career has it's twisted counterpart on the opposite side, and, where possible, that counterpart is not on the same racial matchup. Though, we have seen that Chosen/KoTBS are reflections of one another and are the same matchup, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to expect the DE Healer to be the counterpart of the Archmage, especially considering the WP and the Runepriest already reflect the Shaman and Zealot, respectively.

[Ayetalam]

I also hope that the healing career for DE isn't the Sorcerer, unfortunatly though, I expect that DEs will get a ranged healer since no matter what people say, the Zealot was called the melee healer. War-resource.com even lists them as having a melee attack. The problem is in the implementation, by making the Zealot the debuff career they failed to also give it any real melee capabilities other than the fact that anyone they melee is likely to be debuffed to all hell. Mythic claimed in one of their messages that, based on beta info, they will be making some major changes to some careers. I expect Zealots to be one of those.

From what we have seen, each career has it's twisted counterpart on the opposite side, and, where possible, that counterpart is not on the same racial matchup. Though, we have seen that Chosen/KoTBS are reflections of one another and are the same matchup, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to expect the DE Healer to be the counterpart of the Archmage, especially considering the WP and the Runepriest already reflect the Shaman and Zealot, respectively.

Yet, i still will never stop pointing out that the Zealot is no way a melee healer. 1 melee attack doesnt make them a melee healer if all the rest are ranged, or mid-ranged. Also the zealot doesnt need to melee to heal, they can heal bot if they wished. Zealots have an offensive gimmick, not a healing one (unlike Waaagh, Righteous Fury, and the arghmage waaagh variation.) Only other healer like this is the Rune Priest. which also is a ranged/mid-range healer wth 1 melee attack.

I still stick by it that the DE Healer will be a melee healer. Even if they have to make a Sorcerer melee healer.

[CapnSquig-WHA]

Only other healer like this is the Rune Priest. which also is a ranged/mid-range healer wth 1 melee attack.

Which is why the Runepriest and the Zealot look to be the "mirrors" of eachother. They both have the AoE buff/debuff thing.
If the RP isn't the "mirror" for the Zealot, what would you say they are a "mirror" for?

[Yvo]

Which is why the Runepriest and the Zealot look to be the "mirrors" of eachother. They both have the AoE buff/debuff thing.
If the RP isn't the "mirror" for the Zealot, what would you say they are a "mirror" for?

When did he say they weren't a mirror for rune priests?

[Emeraldw99]

The question I ask is what is the mirror based on? Mechanic? Range? Style? It's hard to do mirrors because it depends on what we use for the mirroring as some have said the WP is the mirror of the shaman because both require damage to heal.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

The question I ask is what is the mirror based on? Mechanic? Range? Style? It's hard to do mirrors because it depends on what we use for the mirroring as some have said the WP is the mirror of the shaman because both require damage to heal.Well, the mirror is based on how the blood priest fanatic sees it.

[Kaid]

Well, the mirror is based on how the blood priest fanatic sees it.
And of course the lorists can't see anything else outside the bindings of their army books. :roll:

But yes as it has been said, the Shaman and AM are mirrored, same goes for RP and Zealot. All that's left is the WP. And what that entails makes the lore junkies gasp and quote and regurgitate the words of the army book in quick succession. Though they do it in vain as many don't consider lore to be a "All or nothing" aspect of the class chosing process.

[DrainBamaged]

White lions probably...

[Kaid]

White lions probably...
....Wha?

They intend to mirror the WP on the Destruction side with White Lions? :confused:

[Eltair Shadowblade]

....Wha?

They intend to mirror the WP on the Destruction side with White Lions? :confused:Of course not silly, the White Lions will mirror the sorcerer:D

The white lion will throw his lions to his enemies, like living torpedo's.
oh yeah, and in the meanwhile he makes his teammates eat catfood, healing them.

That would be badass.

[Zoatibix]

If they want to be cruel they will announce RDPS.

That will keep our merry debates about the Purple Panda vs Druchii Sorceress going for another month.

I agree with some of the earlier posters if they announce Purple Panda as the Support Class then Sorceress is a shoe-in for the RDPS. This would mirror the Archmage of the High Elves - and the HE and DE lore and WHFB lists do mirror each other more than any other pair of armies. It would be very odd of Mythic not to reinforce their shared heritage through a couple of classes.

I'm not saying the Sorcerer will be a carbon copy of the AM but in black and purple robes, mind you. I think she is just as likely to damage her own team or herself in order to unleash even greater damage on her enemies as drain her enemies to heal her minions...I mean allies...

OTOH they may keep the ranged class until last. I think we have several good candidates for that spot Shades, Beastmasters, Corsairs, or even some kind of 'Manflayer' Corsair Shade hybrid. So there is plenty of room there for debate.

[Aqualisk]

I'm not saying the Sorcerer will be a carbon copy of the AM but in black and purple robes, mind you. I think she is just as likely to damage her own team or herself in order to unleash even greater damage on her enemies as drain her enemies to heal her minions...I mean allies...

What would be the point of giving destruction two ranged healers that fill the same roll? I see shaman/sorcerer(ess) conflicts if you want to go down that route. It makes more sense to offer a unique healing roll to the last healer. You don't see healing overlap on the Order side and it doesn't stand to reason that Mythic would choose to implement that on the Destruction side.

[Kharlene]

What would be the point of giving destruction two ranged healers that fill the same roll? I see shaman/sorcerer(ess) conflicts if you want to go down that route. It makes more sense to offer a unique healing roll to the last healer. You don't see healing overlap on the Order side and it doesn't stand to reason that Mythic would choose to implement that on the Destruction side.

Well, given the Sorceress concept art, following that logic you've given, then she will wind up being ranged dps because she sure as hell doesn't look anything like a melee healer or any kind of cq combatant, she looks like a classic ranged caster.

Anyhoo', personally, I'm still hoping she will be ranged dps, like I've said before, something akin to the dot/debuff/life drain master like DAoC's matter (or body) cabalist (minus the pet), crippling and eroding their enemies with vicious aoe curses and dots, maybe a dd here or there, but primarily dots and debuffs and life drains bringing the enemies to their knees, and from what many have divulged about the Sorceresses spell lists in the "lore", her spell list is more consistent with that than a healer.

But then again, if she winds up being tossed more into the support role than dps, sera sera, I'm still going to play one as my main, I enjoy playing either archetype :mrgreen:

[Aqualisk]

Well, given the Sorceress concept art, following that logic you've given, then she will wind up being ranged dps because she sure as hell doesn't look anything like a melee healer or any kind of cq combatant, she looks like a classic ranged caster.

Anyhoo', personally, I'm still hoping she will be ranged dps, like I've said before, something akin to the dot/debuff/life drain master like DAoC's matter (or body) cabalist (minus the pet), crippling and eroding their enemies with vicious aoe curses and dots, maybe a dd here or there, but primarily dots and debuffs and life drains bringing the enemies to their knees, and from what many have divulged about the Sorceresses spell lists in the "lore", her spell list is more consistent with that than a healer.

But then again, if she winds up being tossed more into the support role than dps, sera sera, I'm still going to play one as my main, I enjoy playing either archetype :mrgreen:


I suspect that you are correct in thinking that the sorceress will be a ranged DPS class. Which I'm sure makes all the shade fans very unhappy.

[Adamwest]

Of course not silly, the White Lions will mirror the sorcerer:D

The white lion will throw his lions to his enemies, like living torpedo's.
oh yeah, and in the meanwhile he makes his teammates eat catfood, healing them.

That would be badass.



I better start gettin' use to Fancy Feast and Meow mix. At least i can eat like a king now albeit a fat cat king.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

I better start gettin' use to Fancy Feast and Meow mix. At least i can eat like a king now albeit a fat cat king.I LOL'ed:p:D

[Garthilk]

In case it wasn't perfectly clear already.

The Sorcerer is ranged DPS.

[Browncoat-WHA]

Also, there is a thread discussing this very issue now that the career has been revealed. :)

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21934

At this point, gonna lock this one up, as the main discussion in this one was speculation about what will be revealed, with more recent discussion happening elsewhere.

*LOCKED for consolidation with a throw rug*