Dark Elf Sorceress Concept

[Quazar]

Of the screen shots that the site has received for the upcoming newsletter, the best is one of a crazy hot Dark Elf chick who obviously has sorceress like powers. If that is a player class there are going to be a LOT of Dark Elves. What do you guys think, before the newsletter arrives, is she a player class? Is this Sorceress the ranged damage/healer of the Dark Elves? And seriously how under populated is the Orc/Dwarf section going to be when people find out how hot the elves are?

[dynamo112]

This has me a bit worried to but...hot or not people still lean to the good guy side for some strange reason. Ya never know though. (I predict this being moved to DE forums)

[Gutgrabba]

Of the screen shots that the site has received for the upcoming newsletter, the best is one of a crazy hot Dark Elf chick who obviously has sorceress like powers. If that is a player class there are going to be a LOT of Dark Elves. What do you guys think, before the newsletter arrives, is she a player class? Is this Sorceress the ranged damage/healer of the Dark Elves? And seriously how under populated is the Orc/Dwarf section going to be when people find out how hot the elves are?

Population means nothing when your race consists of hormone driven teens who only rolled Dark Elves because they lack spine and opinions. Yes, there will be good players who rolled them because they're into the whole Elfy business, but still the majority is what I said. I'm not even worried one but for the Greenskin and Dwarf population as I know a lot of gaming veterans who are rolling Greenskin & Stunties.

[dutch_gamer]

Yes, the Sorceress is a player class. There has never been a doubt that they would be a player class. The only debatable issues that exists are, "can they be male?' and "can they heal?". The simple fact that not many or basically nobody has ever doubted them to be in, is because they are pretty much, next to the Witch Elves, what makes the Dark Elves Dark Elves. And I am also of the opinion that a career with the a repeater crossbow is a must as well.

People could have always known how hot the Elves are. It is not exactly a secret what they look like if you have ever checked out the miniatures. I will still be playing a Dwarf as my main because I am a Dwarf fan. But yes, they will be underplayed, which isn't a shocker because they have been like that in every single MMO I have ever played.

And Gutgrabba is right. Greenskins and Dwarfs will mostly attract the hardcore fans of said race only, which does help a lot when it comes to how good people playing those races will play together in RvR. Dark Elves will attract hardcore as well, but also a lot less tactically inept players because those are the shots with the popular races (more people playing, a bigger cross section of the less hardcore you will have).

[Gutgrabba]

Seeing a proper Dwarf fan warms my heart. Dwarfs have always been one of my favourite miniatures and races in games. Keep on hammering and drinking ale, little man.

[VermillioN]

That concept was some seriously detailed stuff *cough cough* but i can't wait to see what goodies the newsletter brings us :D.

[Slash]

Seeing a proper Dwarf fan warms my heart. Dwarfs have always been one of my favourite miniatures and races in games. Keep on hammering and drinking ale, little man.

And yet your an Orc who will burn their cities to the ground, hehe.

[Gutgrabba]

And yet your an Orc who will burn their cities to the ground, hehe.

Not without a fight :)

[AlienOverlord]

Yes, the Sorceress is a player class. There has never been a doubt that they would be a player class. The only debatable issues that exists are, "can they be male?' and "can they heal?"


And we've kind of been given hints for more than a year that there will be male DE sorcerers and just recently as the Tentonhammer interview

http://warhammer.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=192,

But who knows. Maybe Mythic will surprise us :)[/

[dutch_gamer]

And we've kind of been given hints for more than a year that there will be male DE sorcerers and just recently as the Tentonhammer interview

http://warhammer.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=192,

But who knows. Maybe Mythic will surprise us :)[/

I agree with you, but it is still debatable. I am leaning towards male Sorcerers being included as player character.

[Tools2Basic]

Yeah, the sorceress is a real class that will be playable. And of personal experience i believe the elves (mostly the DE) will be a very populated race. Now this could cause a bit of a problem, but because each race has it's own set of classes it will be a bit more spread out. So i think it's safe to say that orcs & dwarfs wont be way to underrepresented.

[Abriael]

I personally hope sorceresses will be female only. As much as some hormone driven teens will flock ton DE to see some naked skin, i'm more than confident that some guys will be driven off DE because of the inability to play a male DPS (ranged or melee), so it should balance out.

Honestly i would be extremely displeased to see them bend the lore over male sorceress. Since they used lore as an excuse to restrict marauders to male (and the lore excuse they used was most definately debatable, if not plainly false) , for them to bend lore on sorceresses' gender would definately not be consistent or coherent.

[Blackened]

wow, thats some nice concept art (new desktop background for me) im just glad i decided to play a Sorc before everybody found out just how "hawt" they looked, even if thats just me justifying its lol.

[Matheren]

Well, according to Paul's video from the newsletter, it's Sorceress AND Sorcerer.

[Barundin162]

Well, according to Paul's video from the newsletter, it's Sorceress AND Sorcerer.

witch would so wrong....I understand Mythic has to bend some lore, but that is a direct break.

Say the Podcast...there are males...that looked not so great...wellMythic had to drop the ball somewhere.

Sounds like RDPS

[Anglakhel]

witch would so wrong....I understand Mythic has to bend some lore, but that is a direct break.

It's a break in the Lore from later editions.

In the earlier incarnation, during 4th Edition, there were male DE Sorcerers.

GW encouraged Mythic to use the 4th Edition for Lore inspiration.

[dutch_gamer]

witch would so wrong....I understand Mythic has to bend some lore, but that is a direct break.

Say the Podcast...there are males...that looked not so great...wellMythic had to drop the ball somewhere.

Sounds like RDPS

And that is just it. They "break" the lore for this because of how "cool" (which I think is debatable) they look, yet there are no female Chosen and Marauders with enough lore pointing out that they do exist.

This is the same thing as them inventing a melee healer for the DE, when they could have made the Zealot into one (I no longer doubt they will have the BloodMonkey). Chaos is very much melee oriented anyway. I just don't understand why they choose to change the Dark Elves into something that simply doesn't do them justice. Yes, I understand the Batman analogy, but that doesn't make it right. It as if they took Batman and all of the sudden make it so as he has never lost his parents. I am really not fond of that kind of "lorelols". It just shows a disregard of what the Dark Elves stand for, just to appease the BloodMonkey crowd.

[Barundin162]

And that is just it. They "break" the lore for this because of how "cool" (which I think is debatable) they look, yet there are no female Chosen and Marauders with enough lore pointing out that they do exist.



BUT THEY DONT LOOK COOL!

The Females lookg great, the Male concept is bland and boring

[Abriael]

BUT THEY DONT LOOK COOL!

The Females lookg great, the Male concept is bland and boring

I have to totally agree on this. It looks like a spikier magus with no disk. Sad.

[Kellaris]

BUT THEY DONT LOOK COOL!

The Females lookg great, the Male concept is bland and boring

Lets be fair. If You compare something to this sorceress concept, everything is boring. Try to look at him and forget about this bikini babe on the other side. He looks better than many other male concepts in this game and he is absolutely best male spellcaster (goblins/dwarves excluded from contest as totally different).

And male sorcerors exists. They have miniatures, they have stories, they have flavors. They are outlawed but they exists. There is no lorebreaking

[Lucrece]

Lets be fair. If You compare something to this sorceress concept, everything is boring. Try to look at him and forget about this bikini babe on the other side. He looks better than many other male concepts in this game and he is absolutely best male spellcaster (goblins/dwarves excluded from contest as totally different).

And male sorcerors exists. They have miniatures, they have stories, they have flavors. They are outlawed but they exists. There is no lorebreaking

See, you're assuming that nothing compares to the female sorceress because you find her sexy. You are dismissing those who fancy males, since some of us, despite having such fancy, feel that the male sorcerer is still pretty generic. His clothing is not nearly as elaborate, his hairstyle is not nearly as artful, he has an utter lack of ornaments, and he portrays a completely different concept than the female sorceress. There should be no more difference between the two sexes besides the fact they're of a different sex and that their clothing should only differ in accordance to fitting the body in a flattering manner while still maintaining the same style, which is that of decadent seduction (not only physical, but magical seduction of all dark interests as well) and being ostentatious in their attire.

[Avatar Of War]

I personally hope sorceresses will be female only. As much as some hormone driven teens will flock ton DE to see some naked skin, i'm more than confident that some guys will be driven off DE because of the inability to play a male DPS (ranged or melee), so it should balance out.

Honestly i would be extremely displeased to see them bend the lore over male sorceress. Since they used lore as an excuse to restrict marauders to male (and the lore excuse they used was most definately debatable, if not plainly false) , for them to bend lore on sorceresses' gender would definately not be consistent or coherent.

I'm sorry to inform you but in the video paul says they are both male and female and that GW said it was ok to have males...

Sorry mate.. now Im off to the DE foums (for the first time) to watch heads explode since the Sorcerers are the ranged class for the DE's and not a healing class... So many people will be pisssed....

[Drift3r]

I'm sorry to inform you but in the video paul says they are both male and female and that GW said it was ok to have males...

Sorry mate.. now Im off to the DE foums (for the first time) to watch heads explode since the Sorcerers are the ranged class for the DE's and not a healing class... So many people will be pisssed....

GW says okay to a lot of things once the contract has been signed and they expect $$$$$$ but that doesn't make it correct. I think we had this argument pretty much made null and void when the Chaos uproar over no female Chosen was still hot.

GW will sell out it's IP in video games as it does not effect or is translated into their table-top game. Doing so would be cutting their own throats in regards to the TT so yeah I am pretty sure they just gave a nod while counting their stack of cash they got from Mythic and EA.

This game is no longer Warhammer Online but instead "A game that bares similar apperance to Warhammer but with lore ala Blizzard's WoW."

Things in this game which are not true to lore but which would not effect gameplay at all for them to just give a damn to get it right.....

Female Priest of Sigmar - They do not exist in the TT or Fluff lore period. No Sister of Sigmar are not the same. They are female warriors but they are not allowed to hear the voice of Sigmar. For a female to hear the voice of Sigmar and preach the word of Sigmar would be a one way ticket to getting herself burned at the stake.

No female Chaos melee fighters - There are several examples of female Chosen in lore/fluff ( more so then female priest of sigmar which = none ) and there is nothing that says they can't be a lesser Marauder. Also do people think that a Priest of Sigmar cannot be corrupted and turn to Chaos? cough::Archaon - Lord of End Times::cough !

Male Dark Elf Sorcerers - These guys are rare and they do not go around practicing in the open no matter what the PR guys a Mythic say and how disinterested GW is at keeping this game faithful to it's IP.

Female Dwarf adventurers/soldiers - Female dwarfs do not go out and wage war. It would take a desperate act to see female dwarfs fighting and they would only due so once a standing Male Dwarf Army has been completely defeated and the enemy is knocking down the gates.

P.S. I am glad Mythic did not get the Warhammer 40k license. The amount of lore destroying changes they would of enacted with that IP would of made me cringe big time and make me seriously consider not ever buying anything GW again.

[Athenys]

Erm, why are all the female DE being made up to look like 'goth-tarts' for lack of a better term? Most female DE (including the Endless) dress rather conservatively according to the fluff! I find it ironic that in WAR their more respectably clad menfolk actually look like they could hurt you more. I know WE eschew covering up because wearing real (ie: protective) armor is a show of cowardice, same goes for some particularly fanatical male acolytes. Sorceresses are seductive but they are not priestesses of Slaanesh. Pretty much all comely DE (male AND female) would take great pride in their alluring physique. Why then is there such a huge disparity in the amount of skin being shown and ornamentation for each gender if they are all decadent magic users anyway? I mean, it's not even comparable to the differences between male and female zealots. In all fairness the male counterpart to that Sorceress should be showing this (http://wen-m.deviantart.com/art/Loki-Ravensgale-16129272) much ;). They are already breaking the lore by making Sorceress a dual gender class instead of female only. They should have differentiated between 'convent approved' and renegade vauvalka classes. Vauvalka who are almost exclusively male would dress in a more subdued manner on the other hand. Btw, I agree with all of the negative comments about the male DE's armor. It's rather lackluster...

[Abriael]

P.S. I am glad Mythic did not get the Warhammer 40k license. The amount of lore destroying changes they would of enacted with that IP would of made me cringe big time and make me seriously consider not ever buying anything GW again.

Let's be fair here. THQ did MUCH MUCH MUCH worse to the 40k lore with the dawn of war series, so i don't have any expectation that they'll see the light with their 40k MMOFPS.

[Ayetalam]

Erm, why are all the female DE being made up to look like 'goth-tarts' for lack of a better term? Most female DE (including the Endless) dress rather conservatively according to the fluff! I find it ironic that in WAR their more respectably clad menfolk actually look like they could hurt you more. I know WE eschew covering up because wearing real (ie: protective) armor is a show of cowardice, same goes for some particularly fanatical male acolytes. Sorceresses are seductive but they are not priestesses of Slaanesh. Pretty much all comely DE (male AND female) would take great pride in their alluring physique. Why then is there such a huge disparity in the amount of skin being shown and ornamentation for each gender if they are all decadent magic users anyway? I mean, it's not even comparable to the differences between male and female zealots. In all fairness the male counterpart to that Sorceress should be showing this (http://wen-m.deviantart.com/art/Loki-Ravensgale-16129272) much ;)...Btw, I agree with all of the negative comments about the male DE's armor. It's rather lackluster...

umm have you seen the sorceress artwork in the armybook? Its worse than the WAR one. Its on par with Witch Elves

[Syr]

The sorceress looks great, the male.. maybe less of a dress and more thin at the bottom. :p I have a thing about male casters being put in dresses. still very bad memories from L2 *cough* bannana dress *cough* :lol:

[Arkane]

Games Workshop still would have had to approve of it, so if they are cool with it, so am I.

[kharnage]

Both the Sorceress and WE look exactly like they do in the Warhammer world. I have never heard of male Dark Elves dressing scantily, so I am glad Mythic didn't include it "to be fair" or whatever. I would rather they just stick to Warhammer and leave political coorectness out of the game.

I don't have a problem with male Sorcerers because I have some in my army and I am familiar with the other editions where they are allowed. I can see how people that have discovered Warhammer after the Sorcerers were outlawed would have a bigger problem with it though.

[Koldria]

This game is no longer Warhammer Online but instead "A game that bares similar apperance to Warhammer but with lore ala Blizzard's WoW."

That's a bit harsh. Were the game up and running and was showing gaping plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon, ala WoW, then I could understand this statement. However, the game has not launched, and you're getting bent out of shape over a playable character in a game that's still in development. The male sorcerer is mentioned in lore, there are figurines for them...what's the big problem? So what if the WHOLE game does not conform to what YOU think the lore is? They have to bend things so that they can reach a wider audience, otherwise nobody but the really hardcore Warhammer fans will play and EA/Mythic will lose money.

Besides...it could be far worse. They could end up with hiring Chris Metzen to write the main plot for Warhammer Online...then there will be no war and the entire side of Destruction will be nothing but "misunderstood" Horde clones. ;)

[kharnage]

That's a bit harsh. Were the game up and running and was showing gaping plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon, ala WoW, then I could understand this statement. However, the game has not launched, and you're getting bent out of shape over a playable character in a game that's still in development. The male sorcerer is mentioned in lore, there are figurines for them...what's the big problem? So what if the WHOLE game does not conform to what YOU think the lore is? They have to bend things so that they can reach a wider audience, otherwise nobody but the really hardcore Warhammer fans will play and EA/Mythic will lose money.

Besides...it could be far worse. They could end up with hiring Chris Metzen to write the main plot for Warhammer Online...then there will be no war and the entire side of Destruction will be nothing but "misunderstood" Horde clones. ;)

I think part of the problem is people are going crazy waiting, so overreact to everything. Other people are just more...highstrung.

[Drift3r]

That's a bit harsh. Were the game up and running and was showing gaping plot holes the size of the Grand Canyon, ala WoW, then I could understand this statement. However, the game has not launched, and you're getting bent out of shape over a playable character in a game that's still in development. The male sorcerer is mentioned in lore, there are figurines for them...what's the big problem? So what if the WHOLE game does not conform to what YOU think the lore is? They have to bend things so that they can reach a wider audience, otherwise nobody but the really hardcore Warhammer fans will play and EA/Mythic will lose money.

Besides...it could be far worse. They could end up with hiring Chris Metzen to write the main plot for Warhammer Online...then there will be no war and the entire side of Destruction will be nothing but "misunderstood" Horde clones. ;)

It's not what I think "lore" is supposed to be like it's what has been accepted as fact fluff/lore wise by the real Warhammer fans

It is accepted by fans who were into the IP before Mythic and the MMO addicts looking for a new OCD fix knew what it was all about. The original appeal to this game early on by the real Warhammer fans was because it was to contain the Warhammer IP and supposedly adhere to the lore ( game play permitting ) but obviously this is not true even in the case where game play is not effected at all. So if they can't be bothered to get it right when game play is not effected I have no trust in them to get it right in other areas. Besides I heard the same type of arguments before in regards to WoW with all it's lore raping... "Relax it's just a minor thing", "It's not a big deal just accept the bending of the lore." etc... and we all know how WoW's lore has been rip to shreds because of complacent people who can't be bothered to give damn.

Then again if you really could careless about the integrity of Warhammer's lore and the IP why bother responding at all other then to read your own posts?

[Lucrece]

Both the Sorceress and WE look exactly like they do in the Warhammer world. I have never heard of male Dark Elves dressing scantily, so I am glad Mythic didn't include it "to be fair" or whatever. I would rather they just stick to Warhammer and leave political coorectness out of the game.

I don't have a problem with male Sorcerers because I have some in my army and I am familiar with the other editions where they are allowed. I can see how people that have discovered Warhammer after the Sorcerers were outlawed would have a bigger problem with it though.

"Political Correctness" is a term used by those who are not screwed over by prejudicial, biased conventions. To ignore the sociopolitical context under which the game was developed, and to accept its outdated approach, is the true sign of an individual who just cares about HIS wants being satisfied. Besides, we have never heard of scantily clad sorceresses either; there are just illustrations of them, and the army book does not set any guidelines for aesthetics.

If the female sorceresses are sexualized for cheap audience exploitation, then I don't see a reason why males should not undergo the same treatment.

[kharnage]

"Political Correctness" is a term used by those who are not screwed over by prejudicial, biased conventions. To ignore the sociopolitical context under which the game was developed, and to accept its outdated approach, is the true sign of an individual who just cares about HIS wants being satisfied. Besides, we have never heard of scantily clad sorceresses either; there are just illustrations of them, and the army book does not set any guidelines for aesthetics.

If the female sorceresses are sexualized for cheap audience exploitation, then I don't see a reason why males should not undergo the same treatment.

People who actually try to make things politically correct are people who want to make all things and people bow down to thier own narrow viewpoints. I know - many of these people think they are better and more enlightened than normal folks, but usually they just have more issues.

I have seen/read of scantily clad sorceresses in warhammer before so I'm not surprised by it. From being on this board for a while I have heard all the "complaining" about lore. They have strayed from it in some cases (allowing female dwarfs as characters,etc) for gameplay purposes. Otherwise I feel they have done a good job sticking to lore (I may be in the minority). The WE and Sorceress are just two examples. Some people will complain that sticking to lore is "cheap audience exploitation" but I don't think those people are the target audience. Mythic and GW want people who want a great game set in a rich, incredible setting (Yes, I am TOTALLY putting words in thier mouth),

I will admit that I thought Mythic might wimp out and either leave out WE/Sorceresses or change them to satisfy the politically correct crowd (who will NEVER be satisfied anyway). I don't worry anymore. I believe Mythic when they say they love Warhammer and are committed to bringing it to life. I know GW loves the IP too much to change it for whoever cries the loudest.

Obviously everyone is entitled to thier opinion. The idea that adhering to the IP is some horrible sexists plot is a little out there (Although it's always fun to hear!). It shouldn't stop you from saying it though.

Even if you hate female Dark Elves, there are much more plain females to play. I think there is something for everyone in the game (except people who want to play a male or female Orc!!).

[krogg]

The concept art in the sorceress video looks a lot like Alessandra Ambrosio.

[Athenys]

I will admit that I thought Mythic might wimp out and either leave out WE/Sorceresses or change them to satisfy the politically correct crowd (who will NEVER be satisfied anyway). I don't worry anymore. I believe Mythic when they say they love Warhammer and are committed to bringing it to life. I know GW loves the IP too much to change it for whoever cries the loudest.

Most DE sorceresses don't walk around half-naked either at least according to 'Darkblade'. Malus' mother is described as a dangerous looking yet dignified woman. WE have a reason to be so lightly clothed, DE magic users do not. If you look at the old minis and art DE females didn't show much more skin than the men did! There is a beautiful pencil drawing of a DE sorceress from one of the old WFRP supplements that I wish I could scan. That sorceress looks sensual but classy, that is the epitome of Dark Elfdom IMHO. More recent editions have gradually removed clothing from female DEs, it was not always so. What they have gotten a bit carried away with is 'cheesecake' which has less to do with the lore and a lot more with getting some horny guys to play the game :rolleyes:. It's daft, it's pathetic, but sadly it's TRUE. I get so tired of having people deny that there IS a problem with oversexualizing female characters purely for marketing purposes. If I made it so that all male DE warriors and magic users wore a leather halter and a thong you wouldn't be too happy either. You would say 'that's not explicitly stated in the lore for ALL classes' or 'that doesn't look like what they used to wear'. Please try to see where the other half is coming from. I looked forward to playing a female DE that didn't look like a stripper, I might end up having to play a female HE instead. I prefer not run to around with my elvish buttcheeks in full view :(.

[Avatar Of War]

witch would so wrong....I understand Mythic has to bend some lore, but that is a direct break.

Say the Podcast...there are males...that looked not so great...wellMythic had to drop the ball somewhere.

Sounds like RDPS

The podcast said that Mythic looked into the idea of male sorceress, and they got the go ahead. I'm sure that Games Workshop had to OK it.

Honestly I don't see the big deal, yes Maleketh is terrified of male casters, but I could see many reasons for him to have to reinstate/accept them back into the ranks.

One is:
Not to look weak, every single of of the leaders of the Arks would LOVE to take over Maleketh's position..knowing that Maleketh could be brought down by a male caster...would probably have every Ark having its own little army of secret casters... just in case an opertunity presents itself.
At least with them out in the open its better for him than to think none exist.

Better to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

[kharnage]

Most DE sorceresses don't walk around half-naked either at least according to 'Darkblade'. Malus' mother is described as a dangerous looking yet dignified woman. WE have a reason to be so lightly clothed, DE magic users do not. If you look at the old minis and art DE females didn't show much more skin than the men did! There is a beautiful pencil drawing of a DE sorceress from one of the old WFRP supplements that I wish I could scan. That sorceress looks sensual but classy, that is the epitome of Dark Elfdom IMHO. More recent editions have gradually removed clothing from female DEs, it was not always so. What they have gotten a bit carried away with is 'cheesecake' which has less to do with the lore and a lot more with getting some horny guys to play the game :rolleyes:. It's daft, it's pathetic, but sadly it's TRUE. I get so tired of having people deny that there IS a problem with oversexualizing female characters purely for marketing purposes. If I made it so that all male DE warriors and magic users wore a leather halter and a thong you wouldn't be too happy either. You would say 'that's not explicitly stated in the lore for ALL classes' or 'that doesn't look like what they used to wear'. Please try to see where the other half is coming from. I looked forward to playing a female DE that didn't look like a stripper, I might end up having to play a female HE instead. I prefer not run to around with my elvish buttcheeks in full view :(.

The male Dark Elves have never been thong-happy ect (maybe the Slaanesh worshippers and that was why they were killed:-D) so that is why they are not in the game. The WE and Sorceresses look exactly like they do in the fluff. Yes, there are a few WE and Sorceresses that didn't look like that, but they are a minority. It wouldn't make sense to base the in game characters on them instead of all the others.

Who knows though. The games not out and maybe they made a few options for those who want to be modest. Even if they don't, have they said if BlackGuard is male only? It seems to me if you want to play a female Dark Elf that would be perfect because they seem to be all covered up (In the IP and game models). Plus, we have one more class coming out.

Like you said though, certain people will be drawn to different races. Dark Elves certainly are not for everyone. A lot more people will be drawn to high elves in my opinion. I have loved Dark Elves ever since I got drawn into WH, and to me Mythic has done a perfect job translating them from the IP to the computer screen. I think high elves are a lot more socially acceptable to people.

Edit: Whatever you choose, for whatever reason, just pick something you enjoy that makes you happy. Not every class/race is going to please everyone. (BTW, this is not directed at Athenys or any individual - just the general populace.)

[Lucrece]

People who actually try to make things politically correct are people who want to make all things and people bow down to thier own narrow viewpoints. I know - many of these people think they are better and more enlightened than normal folks, but usually they just have more issues.

I have seen/read of scantily clad sorceresses in warhammer before so I'm not surprised by it. From being on this board for a while I have heard all the "complaining" about lore. They have strayed from it in some cases (allowing female dwarfs as characters,etc) for gameplay purposes. Otherwise I feel they have done a good job sticking to lore (I may be in the minority). The WE and Sorceress are just two examples. Some people will complain that sticking to lore is "cheap audience exploitation" but I don't think those people are the target audience. Mythic and GW want people who want a great game set in a rich, incredible setting (Yes, I am TOTALLY putting words in thier mouth),

I will admit that I thought Mythic might wimp out and either leave out WE/Sorceresses or change them to satisfy the politically correct crowd (who will NEVER be satisfied anyway). I don't worry anymore. I believe Mythic when they say they love Warhammer and are committed to bringing it to life. I know GW loves the IP too much to change it for whoever cries the loudest.

Obviously everyone is entitled to thier opinion. The idea that adhering to the IP is some horrible sexists plot is a little out there (Although it's always fun to hear!). It shouldn't stop you from saying it though.

Even if you hate female Dark Elves, there are much more plain females to play. I think there is something for everyone in the game (except people who want to play a male or female Orc!!).

You say that seeing Mythic's approach to dark elf females as sexist is alittle out there, but your characterization of politically correct-nazis is not out there? Big Brother paranoia is just as bad as what you criticize.

[RannToral]

Sorry if this question is totally out of context.

Stated in the newsletter that sorceress cannot get married or give birth, does the reason tie in with the prophecy with Malekith, and if they do give birth are there any repercussions?

Since Malus Darkblade was born of a witch, or is that totally something different from sorceress?

[Alota]

Sorry if this question is totally out of context.

Stated in the newsletter that sorceress cannot get married or give birth, does the reason tie in with the prophecy with Malekith, and if they do give birth are there any repercussions?

Since Malus Darkblade was born of a witch, or is that totally something different from sorceress?

If a sorceress would marry or give birth they would probably be thrown out of the covent, or maybe even killed.
And a witch is something else than a sorceress, as witches are brides of Khaine

[Zunjin]

The male Dark Elves have never been thong-happy ect (maybe the Slaanesh worshippers and that was why they were killed:-D) so that is why they are not in the game. The WE and Sorceresses look exactly like they do in the fluff. Yes, there are a few WE and Sorceresses that didn't look like that, but they are a minority. It wouldn't make sense to base the in game characters on them instead of all the others.

Who knows though. The games not out and maybe they made a few options for those who want to be modest. Even if they don't, have they said if BlackGuard is male only? It seems to me if you want to play a female Dark Elf that would be perfect because they seem to be all covered up (In the IP and game models). Plus, we have one more class coming out.

Like you said though, certain people will be drawn to different races. Dark Elves certainly are not for everyone. A lot more people will be drawn to high elves in my opinion. I have loved Dark Elves ever since I got drawn into WH, and to me Mythic has done a perfect job translating them from the IP to the computer screen. I think high elves are a lot more socially acceptable to people.

Edit: Whatever you choose, for whatever reason, just pick something you enjoy that makes you happy. Not every class/race is going to please everyone. (BTW, this is not directed at Athenys or any individual - just the general populace.)

Actually I imagine them in the fluff to be dressed like Athenys is refering. I do think tho this isnt the final concept of female sorceresses. That is a very poor dressed sorcerer which proberly will have alot of improvment in the next tiers.

[Lucrece]

Actually I imagine them in the fluff to be dressed like Athenys is refering. I do think tho this isnt the final concept of female sorceresses. That is a very poor dressed sorcerer which proberly will have alot of improvment in the next tiers.

They will still be disadvantaged to the females, as the females progress through tiers, too. They must start at the same level to end at the same level. SSS, I say, show some skin! At least a similarly revealing outfit as the male zealot.

[Xurré]

P.S. I am glad Mythic did not get the Warhammer 40k license. The amount of lore destroying changes they would of enacted with that IP would of made me cringe big time and make me seriously consider not ever buying anything GW again.
I'm already there (beyond noting that paying for WAR will likely also go to GW, meh). If they don't care enough to have developers using their setting stick to the consistency of their setting then I don't care for their products. In any range.


Arkane;555418']Games Workshop still would have had to approve of it, so if they are cool with it, so am I.
Games Workshop doesn't seem to care and "are cool" with pretty much everything... as long as it still bears a close enough resemblance to the games they're selling that people can still recognize it vaguely when seeing it on the shelves.


Stated in the newsletter that sorceress cannot get married or give birth, does the reason tie in with the prophecy with Malekith, and if they do give birth are there any repercussions?
That has nothing to do with the prophecy and everything to do with Malekith being a control freak and wanting to keep control of the most powerful magical bloodlines. As the lore puts it "Thus also, the Witch King is alone among our fathers and forefathers able to wield the powers of the Darkest Abyss".

As for consequences... I'm not sure. I'm not aware of it noting any in particular. Male offspring will be killed of course, and female offspring likely taken away from the mother at least (if the mother isn't killed outright). But your guess is as good as mine.


- Xurré

[Zunjin]

They will still be disadvantaged to the females, as the females progress through tiers, too. They must start at the same level to end at the same level. SSS, I say, show some skin! At least a similarly revealing outfit as the male zealot.

I might rephase what I meant becouse I didnt get your answer all the way. What I like is sorceresses to dress more in cloth then lets say zealot like you mentioned. A robe looks better in my opinion.