Why are WPs igoring my armor?

[Skozat]

When I review my combat log on my blackguard I find that I'm only mitigating around 30% of the physical damage that warrior priests are doing to me. Even ones 5 levels lower than me! (23 vs. 28) I should be mitigating about 60% minus WS. I can't believe that all WPs are running around with weapon skill as their primary stat, so there must be something I'm missing that they can have in t3.

Though I noticed with my DoK that I was penetrating armor to an inexplicable degree as well.

[kuwatatak]

When I review my combat log on my blackguard I find that I'm only mitigating around 30% of the physical damage that warrior priests are doing to me. Even ones 5 levels lower than me! (23 vs. 28) I should be mitigating about 60% minus WS. I can't believe that all WPs are running around with weapon skill as their primary stat, so there must be something I'm missing that they can have in t3.

Though I noticed with my DoK that I was penetrating armor to an inexplicable degree as well.

A warrior that stacks mostly strength, also focuses heaveling on WS also. we dont get any armor penetrating moves, so it really helps.

[Poplik]

maybe they are using divine assault which does spirit damage?

[Skozat]

Nah, this is for things like bludgeon. Divine assault is mitigated as predicted by my resistances. I'm not even sure it's possible to stack WS high enough to get 50% armor pen which is what I'm seeing (or higher). I've checked and don't have any armor debuffs as well such as from shadow warriors. It may be a bug.

[Skozat]

I'm finding that inexplicably, WPs are penetrating my BG's armor like mad, and my DoK is likewise doing far more damage to tanks with his physical attacks than he should. Even a WP 5 levels lower than my BG was only having 30% of the physical damage he was doing mitigated whereas it's supposed to be around 60% before armor pen. I don't think every WP I've come up against has enough WS for 50% armor penetration (or indeed if such a thing is even possible), so something's up. Their attacks that do spirit damage like their big melee heal are being mitigated by resistances as expected. I noticed this in t3 but it's probably not confined to that tier.

It's certainly not an issue with tank armor though, as I'm mitigating damage from other careers as expected for physical attacks.

Can anyone confirm or refute? This may be a bug introduced in the same patch that made chalices and books uber.

[vision1war]

It's a combination of the above post but don't forget that nearly all WP's usually get Greave of Sigmar which debuff's your toughness and Str and transfer's it to themselves increasing there Str and toughness.

I have notived several times the group is having a hard time taking down a tank but when I hit them 1 time and debuff there Str and toughness they drop much faster for the whole group.

[Rimarlk]

Did you have an armor debuff on you? That could lower your armor drastically. Especially if stacked.

[Skozat]

I am sure I did some of the time, but the fact is that they're largely ignoring my armor all the time. Even when it's one on one with noone else around. I looked at their abilities and tactics and asked in their forums and there are no WP abilities that should be ignoring armor (Except for their abilities that do spirit damage).

[Skozat]

It's a combination of the above post but don't forget that nearly all WP's usually get Greave of Sigmar which debuff's your toughness and Str and transfer's it to themselves increasing there Str and toughness.

I have notived several times the group is having a hard time taking down a tank but when I hit them 1 time and debuff there Str and toughness they drop much faster for the whole group.
That would certainly explain why my toughness would be lower, but my armor should still be mitigating 50-60% instead of 20-30%

[Kalrithian]

Warrior Priests can't debuff or ignore armor so it's either a bug or you're getting hit by some other class also. The IB debuffs armor up to 75% depending on grudge. Maybe it's just teamwork, or are these fights 1 on 1 for sure?

[Skozat]

It seems to be all the time, even one on one situations.

[LeetSkeet]

doks do a lot of spirit damage, not sure if this helps you

[Dragar-WHA]

Threads merged

[Poodle]

do you have any other proof then just your word for it mate?

would like to see a combat log screenshot or something a bit more waterproof

[Zephris-WHA]

Speaking as a WP, I can say at level 40 without stacking WS I have a base of 21% armour penetration, so its not beyond reason to imagine that with only a little more focus on WS you could get up to 30% quite comfortably.

[Ravzar]

It is true that we can't ignore armour. In my experience WPs don't really try to stack WS as such either. To many other stats to worry about. However a full wrath priest running Prayer of Rightousness has a 25% chance to do 187 unmitigated damage at each attack as a proc. DoK get something similar which is better also in my opinion. Perhaps your combat parser is recognising that? You already have mentioned divine assault anyway but yea it is does spirit damage and so does judgement our axe throw equivlent ability.

We would need to see combat logs etc since there is no way a WP can ignore your armour. My auto attack hits black orcs for sub 100 non crit but can crit for 600+ on squishy targets. We arn't ignoring anyones armour lol. I do find black guards to be more squishy then other tanks though but this is likely because they are running around with 2 handers and not many seem to be s&b.

@Zephris it is extremely difficult to stack WS on a WP. If you had 30% you would likely not have as much strength and wounds. I don't think we get that much gear with WS on it to be honest.

[Zephris-WHA]

Actually Raz, you'd be surprised. Its quite easy to stack some nice amounts of WS if you put your mind to it, and while you do loose in either WP or Wounds you generally will gain STR. If you look at some of the T4 inf rewards from RVR alot of them have a fair amount of WS on them, also you can get WS talismans :)

[Skozat]

I took some screenies but my ss folder was full so they never got saved, then didn't encounter a WP yesterday in scenario, so I'll see if I can't get some good combat log shots today.

[zato1]

40 sm here has 11% natural AP...


would think its a combination of bug + hybrid mechanic

[EatThisShoe]

Speaking as a WP, I can say at level 40 without stacking WS I have a base of 21% armour penetration, so its not beyond reason to imagine that with only a little more focus on WS you could get up to 30% quite comfortably.
I'm almost certain that weapon skill reduces your armor value, not your mitigation percentage.

So 30% from WS might drop 60% mitigation down to ~42%. You would need 50% reduction to drop mitigation from 60% to 30% (assuming armor to mitigation is linear). Chances are most WPs/DoKs are not stacking that much WS with any frequency. It's not that they couldn't, but WS stacking doesn't seem to be very popular, so if the OP has seen this happening with more than one opponent, then it is unlikely that all the WPs are stacking WS.

[Teviko]

A warrior that stacks mostly strength, also focuses heaveling on WS also. we dont get any armor penetrating moves, so it really helps.

Weapon Skill

Increases their armor penetration

[Rozerick]

Not sure about tier 3, but in tier 4 it takes me a very long time to kill tanks, compared to squishes.

You are probably going up against buffed wrath WP's who have stacked strength and weapon skill.

Edit: Btw, not trying to shoot down your post down. There could be a armor penetration bug for WP's/DoK's, I'm not sure.

I just don't notice it when I'm on my WP fighting DoK's, or fighting WP's on my destruction characters.

[Cecillia]

I took some screenies but my ss folder was full so they never got saved, then didn't encounter a WP yesterday in scenario, so I'll see if I can't get some good combat log shots today.

How does a screenshot folder get full? I hope you mean your disk was full.

I seem to have less problems with Black Guards as a WP, you can easily DPS them down in scenarios, specially if under light focus fire.

Black Orcs, on the other hand... :rebel:

[firecow]

How does a screenshot folder get full? I hope you mean your disk was full.

I seem to have less problems with Black Guards as a WP, you can easily DPS them down in scenarios, specially if under light focus fire.

Black Orcs, on the other hand... :rebel:

Happened to me several times with 30Gig empty HDD. Spent a whoel day takign screenshots and only 3 or 4 were actually saved. Maybe a memory issue more than a HDD being full.

To OP,

Not sure what to make of it but Wpn Skill would account for 20-30% of penetration. Toughness debuff for some extra damage as well. As to how they can penetrate 50%, I have no answer except that it might be a bug.

I do know that my WP has the hardest time against tanks. I really don't hit them very hard but I can outlast them. Also make sure you haven't confused their DD proc aura with their skills/auto attack damage. It could make it look like they did more damage. It's unmitigated so if you add that with their normal attacks, I can see how it would be easy to confuse that damage as something else.

But by all rights, 20-30% max would be their threashhold for armor penetration.

[Jotto123]

Maybe you're getting hit with spirit damage like Divine Assault.

[Iselin]

Actually Raz, you'd be surprised. Its quite easy to stack some nice amounts of WS if you put your mind to it, and while you do loose in either WP or Wounds you generally will gain STR. If you look at some of the T4 inf rewards from RVR alot of them have a fair amount of WS on them, also you can get WS talismans :)
Actually, even at R31, my WP has 27% armor penetration with the Passwatch Sledge (http://www.wardb.com/item.aspx?id=472812) from T3 ORvR inf. and a bit more WS from the Devastator set. +56 WS in addition to the natural amount is all it takes. Add the toughness debuff to that and we can hurt tanks a bit.

Having said that, I seldom waste my time bashing on anyone with heavy armor and/or shields since my healing amounts depend on the unmitigated damage and I'm usually trying to heal others--not just myself. Keep doors are my favorite target... I wish there were more of them :p