So I'm Going to be a Sorcerer...BUT

[Varvidos]

DE were my first ever TT army and have a special place where my heart used to be.

I've read alot of Warhammer fluff and am really into the IP.

Thus, the idea of playing a male Sorcerer seems kinda..wrong. However, I dislike playing female chars in MMOs.

Not sure how to resolve this one.

Any suggestions?

[Arkane]

DE were my first ever TT army and have a special place where my heart used to be.

I've read alot of Warhammer fluff and am really into the IP.

Thus, the idea of playing a male Sorcerer seems kinda..wrong. However, I dislike playing female chars in MMOs.

Not sure how to resolve this one.

Any suggestions?

Flip a coin and pick. Which bothers you more? Playing as a female, or playing against the lore even though a ton of other people will be rolling a male as well.

[Varvidos]

Arkane;576210']Flip a coin and pick. Which bothers you more? Playing as a female, or playing against the lore even though a ton of other people will be rolling a male as well.

Probably playing as a female...but only just.

[Arkane]

I would just play as the male than. I am in the same situation, I want to do the career justice but I dislike playing as a female in games, hence why I am going to play as the male version.

[Yvo]

Pretend the prophecy never happened and go on your merry way playing a sorcerer.

[Hnbmilk]

play as a female. I used to feel the same way, but then I played a bainshee in DAOC (female only class) and really got used to it. It isn't as weird as it seems at first.

[Varvidos]

play as a female. I used to feel the same way, but then I played a bainshee in DAOC (female only class) and really got used to it. It isn't as weird as it seems at first.

Played a female Marksman in Hellgate recently.

Got to level 24 and just started to hate my char (because she was female).

Hellgate sucks i know but i don't think i'm cut out to be a trans-gender gamer.

If i ever get in the beta maybe i'll roll a chick and see how it goes :)

[twinoceans]

play as a female, you get to see her running from behind.;)

[Varvidos]

Maybe when the rules revised in 2008 male sorcerers will be in.

Tis possible.

[Baradun]

Use your immagination, being a male Sorcerer you'd be feared by most and shunned by the rest for insulting the will of malekith just by existing, constantly watching your back in antisipation of assassins your paranioa and keen sense of self preservation and haterid for all strikes fear and respect into the hearts of all who dare question your existence.

Far more interesting than just the run of the mill herim of malekith. How do you think lore came about? One writer had an idea that worked and the rest followed suit, be brave enough to pioneer a new idea! it'll be fun, rewarding and challenging!

[twinoceans]

Use your immagination, being a male Sorcerer you'd be feared by most and shunned by the rest for insulting the will of malekith just by existing, constantly watching your back in antisipation of assassins your paranioa and keen sense of self preservation and haterid for all strikes fear and respect into the hearts of all who dare question your existence.

Far more interesting than just the run of the mill herim of malekith. How do you think lore came about? One writer had an idea that worked and the rest followed suit, be brave enough to pioneer a new idea! it'll be fun, rewarding and challenging!
actually, mythic said that melekith didn't kill all the male sorcerers, he imprisoned some, and now unleash them upon the battle field.

[SomethingJaded]

Truth is simply this...they've made their reason already for the presence of male magic wielders... so the game lore is just playing it different and I think as much as it is against the 6th edition army book lore, we'll just have to accept the alteration for this game.

[Browncoat-WHA]

This one's a Sorcerer topic, so into the Sorcerer topic it goes.

*MOVED to Sorcerer with a Secret Santa gift*

[Zunjin]

I have tried playing female toons in other games but it have never kept my interest ( im male ). Althrough I did consider playing a sorceress (female) the moment the class was announcent

[Azrayne2.0]

I'll just end up playing whichever one looks cooler.

Honestly never understood how people can feel uncomfortable playing a female char, unless they're one of those 'borderline RPing' overassociate with their own character types.

[AlienOverlord]

If you played Tomb Raider or Bloodrayne or Metroid or Portal then you shouldn't have problems playing female characters.

I look at playing video game characters like reading a book. It doesn't matter if the protagonist is male or female as long as the story is good. With MMORPGs you get to create the character and gender doesn't make any difference for a good story/game.

If there are people who assume you have to be a female remind them they're playing virtual characters in an online world, not a reflection of reality.

If they get in your face ask them how they can play a dwarf or an elf or a knight when they are not one of those in reality. Then tell them that hot elf chick they cyb0red with the other night was a 55 year old guy who logs in while in his underwear.

[Krig]

I will try a witch elf so i have to be female. I hope that i get used to it and hope that because its a female only class it will help. It's not my fault I'm female ;).

If i rolled a sorcerer i would try female first. If i didn't like it i would reroll fast. I see nothing wrong with male sorcerers but i don't really care that much about lore either.

[Estebar]

I had my male Sorceror join a Chaos guild. I felt a lot better about playing a male Sorceror throwing in his lot with the hordes of Tzeentch rather than with his fellow Druchii. Who better to follow the Lord of Forbidden Knowledge, Change and Sorcery than he who craves sorcerous power, is hunted by his own kin and is prophecised to overthrow his king?

Besides, the magic-using Chaos classes lack a ranged spellcaster dedicated to instant damage rather than dots and debuffs. They might happily welcome a Sorceror among them.

[rude137]

Guys are "nice" to you when you play a female class. They'll be dodgey and try to find out if you're really a chick without flat out asking you. It's disturbing when they get all bent when you tell them you're a guy, like youre leading them on. After I got hit on a few times I decided to stay clear of female chars. There's the excuse of seeing eyecandy all day but why would I drool over pixels god invented GF/wives and the internet for a reason! :p

Maybe I'm just unlucky, or come off as a chick because I don't speak 1337 and I'm polite to strangers in games.

[Varvidos]

Guys are "nice" to you when you play a female class. They'll be dodgey and try to find out if you're really a chick without flat out asking you. It's disturbing when they get all bent when you tell them you're a guy, like youre leading them on. After I got hit on a few times I decided to stay clear of female chars. There's the excuse of seeing eyecandy all day but why would I drool over pixels god invented GF/wives and the internet for a reason! :p

Maybe I'm just unlucky, or come off as a chick because I don't speak 1337 and I'm polite to strangers in games.

I play to kill.

Talking does not fit into that.

My idea of "massive social interaction" is murdering lots of different people.

[Adanu]

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[Ojike]

play as a female, you get to see her running from behind.;)

Agreed! Rather see a female behind then see a male behind all the time :P

[Ojike]

Guys are "nice" to you when you play a female class. They'll be dodgey and try to find out if you're really a chick without flat out asking you. It's disturbing when they get all bent when you tell them you're a guy, like youre leading them on. After I got hit on a few times I decided to stay clear of female chars. There's the excuse of seeing eyecandy all day but why would I drool over pixels god invented GF/wives and the internet for a reason! :p

Maybe I'm just unlucky, or come off as a chick because I don't speak 1337 and I'm polite to strangers in games.

Well one thing i have noticed is that people are stupid and dont understand that the majority of the people playing are male. I had a guy that hit on me in DAoC, and he kept on doing it when i told him that i was a male IRL but he didn't care, we had a nice Roleplaying partnership even though we didn't role play otherwise :P

[Emeraldw99]

Guys are "nice" to you when you play a female class. They'll be dodgey and try to find out if you're really a chick without flat out asking you. It's disturbing when they get all bent when you tell them you're a guy, like youre leading them on. After I got hit on a few times I decided to stay clear of female chars. There's the excuse of seeing eyecandy all day but why would I drool over pixels god invented GF/wives and the internet for a reason! :p

Maybe I'm just unlucky, or come off as a chick because I don't speak 1337 and I'm polite to strangers in games.

Guys are nicer to you when they think your a girl, but they also don't respect you as much. I never tell anyone my gender, but I always have a female avatar up to now. So they thought I was a girl, people be nice to me, but they would rarely if ever expect much out of me. I wasn't called upon for the big fights and was generally considered a really good player, but still not called upon when help was really needed. The truth is while they are nicer, it is harder to gain respect for your skills. I could go into a long social psychology explanation about why this is, but it's not worth it. Suffice to say that being considered a girl has its ups and downs. For these reasons I plan to play a male so that when they assume, it's that I am a guy.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

Guys are nicer to you when they think your a girl, but they also don't respect you as much. I never tell anyone my gender, but I always have a female avatar up to now. So they thought I was a girl, people be nice to me, but they would rarely if ever expect much out of me. I wasn't called upon for the big fights and was generally considered a really good player, but still not called upon when help was really needed. The truth is while they are nicer, it is harder to gain respect for your skills. I could go into a long social psychology explanation about why this is, but it's not worth it. Suffice to say that being considered a girl has its ups and downs. For these reasons I plan to play a male so that when they assume, it's that I am a guy.Girls don't excist on tha intewebzz.

ps. Cyb0rz with me at the end of the corner, I'll give you 5 gold.
/turned on.

[Thrakkesh]

I'll just end up playing whichever one looks cooler.

Honestly never understood how people can feel uncomfortable playing a female char, unless they're one of those 'borderline RPing' overassociate with their own character types.

It's not just that. Having a female or male avatar does change how people treat you. It's very noticeable. It sounds really dumb, but people make snap judgements based on avatar and that alone makes some people uncomfortable.

[Browncoat-WHA]

It's not just that. Having a female or male avatar does change how people treat you. It's very noticeable. It sounds really dumb, but people make snap judgements based on avatar and that alone makes some people uncomfortable.

I've always wanted to see some studies or hard stats on the male vs. female avatar treatment or interaction in MMO's. I think it would make for an interesting read.

It's obvious what gender I am once I'm on a voice chat or in with a guild in-game, but otherwise in places such as here, I'm ambiguous about it, precisely for the reasons Thrakkesh has said. I could be female. I could be male. But by not being so open about it, there's no pre-conceptions. ;)

OP: I play both genders with no problems. As long as you know that at some point you will be treated differently based upon that gender, it shouldn't be an issue as long as you are adaptive.

[Thrakkesh]

I've always wanted to see some studies or hard stats on the male vs. female avatar treatment or interaction in MMO's. I think it would make for an interesting read.

It's obvious what gender I am once I'm on a voice chat or in with a guild in-game, but otherwise in places such as here, I'm ambiguous about it, precisely for the reasons Thrakkesh has said. I could be female. I could be male. But by not being so open about it, there's no pre-conceptions. ;)

I play both genders with no problems.

Well, that might be the case if your quote, which sounds like it's referring to you, didn't use 'he'. :-D

But yeah, I'd be curious to see some statistical analysis, but ancetodatally--I once hopped on my friends character in WoW (whom was female) and ran around PVPing, just for fun. Now I'm pretty decent as far as things go, but I was... surprised, at how many little tells I'd get being told how 'awesome' I am. This is not my experience on my previous character, and little about my performance had changed. Generally speaking, I distinctly noticed people were less critical of my mistakes and more vocal about my successes. In general, I felt less 'anonymous' then as my male avatar. I tried to discount it as merely seeing results I expected, but I did notice a distinct trend--usually, people don't comment on my PVP one way or another (unless I know them).

[kharnage]

I would (and May) play a male sorcerer. They have been around forever and are totally cool. I know the recent developments in Dark Elf lore don't lend themselves to open acceptance of sorcerers, but that's not a huge deal.

It is very rare for me to play a female in any game. The Dead or Alive series and a little Tomb Raider is all I have really done as far as females. A little bit of wrestling games maybe.

So for me it's a no-brainer.

[abr4]

I rerolled from my male undead warlock once Burning Crusade was released to a female blood elf mage.

Tbh I never noticed anyone treating me differently.

[Arkane]

I had two characters in FFXI both in the same guild. We didn't use voice chat so nobody knew that both were my character or that I was a guy. If I was on my RDM which was a male, nobody would treat me differently than the next person. When I went on my female RNG people would always ask me if I needed this item or that item. Whenever I would reply, how much do you want for it? They would always reply "free". So I have seen it be blatantly obvious in past mmos' and I know it is just a game, but I feel weird on a female character when some dude tries to hit on me.

[Hewhois]

I played a Female Troll Shaman in EQ (named "Mebe", on the off chance I played with ya). I RP'ed with her as well, but she was a big ugly troll that ate bits of her flesh to gain mana/power, so to me it was funny to play her as a "her" :D Others found it funny too, don't know if they knew I was actually male or not, but it didn't really matter.

If I played a sexy looking DE Sorceress, I would be less likely to RP the character.

[Emeraldw99]

Well, that might be the case if your quote, which sounds like it's referring to you, didn't use 'he'. :-D

But yeah, I'd be curious to see some statistical analysis, but ancetodatally--I once hopped on my friends character in WoW (whom was female) and ran around PVPing, just for fun. Now I'm pretty decent as far as things go, but I was... surprised, at how many little tells I'd get being told how 'awesome' I am. This is not my experience on my previous character, and little about my performance had changed. Generally speaking, I distinctly noticed people were less critical of my mistakes and more vocal about my successes. In general, I felt less 'anonymous' then as my male avatar. I tried to discount it as merely seeing results I expected, but I did notice a distinct trend--usually, people don't comment on my PVP one way or another (unless I know them).

The problem I found in my time playing wow as a female character with others was that they were happy to say i was good, but very rarely acted like I was one of their "elite." I could hold my own with the other good players but when always chosen last among them. Your right, I may just have not been as good as them but when it happens when you are pretty certain the other guy sucks, something fishy is happening. I don't think the other players were even aware they were biased, but still I could see a difference.

I agree Browncoat, it would be interesting. However if we look at the current real world stats about gender equality you find that females are still disadvantaged in major companies that are looking to prevent sexism, has affirmative action and is considered illegal if you do it. However on the internet, no such regulation exists, so if a company or even our society cannot stop it, what chance does a single person on the net have?

[Slash]

I think I will be playing as a female character. I do prefer to play as a Male. But I would like to stick with the lore. I don't mind the male sorc, and I most definitely do not look down on those who would choose them. However, its just a personal choice I guess.

[Thrakkesh]

The problem I found in my time playing wow as a female character with others was that they were happy to say i was good, but very rarely acted like I was one of their "elite." I could hold my own with the other good players but when always chosen last among them. Your right, I may just have not been as good as them but when it happens when you are pretty certain the other guy sucks, something fishy is happening. I don't think the other players were even aware they were biased, but still I could see a difference.


That's an interesting sub-point I haven't really considered. That really wasn't the case in our gaming group, but might have had a little to do with playing with older players in general.

I think it's the tendency of male gamers to often marginalize females to an extent. They will often give them more leeway, but I've rarely noticed a tried-and-true 'female gamer' rising to some level of prominence for pure skill--so much as the fact it's a girl behind the keyboard. Hnn.

[Dastion]

If you played Tomb Raider or Bloodrayne or Metroid or Portal then you shouldn't have problems playing female characters.

I look at playing video game characters like reading a book. It doesn't matter if the protagonist is male or female as long as the story is good. With MMORPGs you get to create the character and gender doesn't make any difference for a good story/game.

If there are people who assume you have to be a female remind them they're playing virtual characters in an online world, not a reflection of reality.

If they get in your face ask them how they can play a dwarf or an elf or a knight when they are not one of those in reality. Then tell them that hot elf chick they cyb0red with the other night was a 55 year old guy who logs in while in his underwear.

There is quite the discrepency between playing a female in a single player game where all of the events are scripted and playing one in a game where you socially interact with other people. While playing tomb raider you feel like you are just controlling someone, it's temporary and nothing comes into play socially. In an MMO that character is your reflection in the world. No, not a literal reflection, but the fact that you are talking on the character and therefore your own personality shows through. While many do view it simply as controlling an avatar so gender doesn't matter, many more view it as themself in the world and don't feel comfortable portraying themselves as a female. Then again, some do.

As to the bit about playing a race other than human if you can't play a gender other than your own, your logic is a bit flawed. In an MMO world it's generally assumed that everyone is a human (though some just barely :) ). So your race in a game has little bearing on how people view you because they know that behind that screen is a human. What they do not know is whether or not you are male and female and it's a difficult habit to break of assuming that female avatar = female player.


Now, as to the OP: Just play a male, the last thing you want is to play to your 20s and realize that you just don't have fun playing a female character. Whereas all the problems with "bent lore" will fade eventually. Just think of them how I do. You've heard of reluctant soldiers? Well this is sort of the similar. The Dark Elves need all of the firepower they can get if they want to accomplish something as huge as what they intend. So Malekith reluctantly allows them to flaunt themselves while they are useful. Some might even be captured sorcerers given the option of fighting or death. Times of war often overcome homeland prejudices.

[Kharnan]

I'll just end up playing whichever one looks cooler.

Honestly never understood how people can feel uncomfortable playing a female char, unless they're one of those 'borderline RPing' overassociate with their own character types.

The only reason I may play Sorc is cose they are males too.
Only thing against this career is the fact it's Delf career.
I think that game should follow the lore, but this one I see different. Career that was impossible for me to play, now is.

I'm not "my char is ME" freak, but I usually have at least tiny amount of immersion into my char.
Gender is first most visible thing. I don't see myself as female because I'm not one. Reason I never played Sorceress in Diablo.
Race is second thing . Yeah, I'm very racist against non-humans and see them as inferior beings, so it may be too hard to roll one. ^^

[Elween]

When we spoke with a friend, before the annoucement of the DE classes, we though the mechanics of the Dark Elf's Sorceress could be very cool, but damn ! it's probably just a femal classes ... And I don't like play a woman ... (I don't know exaclty why ...)

But not .... Sorcerer exists ! Amazing ! Fantastic !

So, like me, enjoy ! :D

[Azrayne2.0]

Anyone else have a gut feeling that the reason they went out of their way to obtain male sorcerers was so that they could give us a female only healer class? (3 female only classes for one race would be a bit much).

We'll just have to wait and see of course, but I have a suspicion that there's something to my idea.

[Thrakkesh]

Anyone else have a gut feeling that the reason they went out of their way to obtain male sorcerers was so that they could give us a female only healer class? (3 female only classes for one race would be a bit much).

We'll just have to wait and see of course, but I have a suspicion that there's something to my idea.

Eh, I guess it could be. But given that they've gone so far as to state that they were re-thinking the whole gender restriction thing to begin with, I ultimately don't see it happening.

Even I don't fully understand the backlash about Chosen/Marauders, but at this point it just seems like poking an ant hill with a stick.

[Peemja]

I don't care much how I look tbh.
If im a caster im female, if im a melee, i choose male. (Of course, I have more females then men, but I don't find that wierd in any way. Perhaps except this one time, in wow, when a guy asked me to be his GF)
Im not into men running in dresses. :p

[Exion]

I say go male,unless they look really bad in comparison with the females (like necromancer in Guild Wars). It also depends on the class,I usually think males look better as tanks,and females as casters.