If White Lion's aren't a class...

[Panthera]

I just might cry.


/discuss

[Garthilk]

Well,

It's not that big a deal either way. They can call the career whatever they want, as long as it's fun. Then again, just my opinion, feel free to form your own.

[thelastlogan]

hand over your man card

[Gemini]

If white lions aren't a class, what the hell will the melee dps pet career for High Elves be?

[Nightz]

A squig tamer lol

[Estebar]

Unicorn Hair-Brusher. :-P

[Stick&Move]

If White Lions aren't the High Elf Melee DPS career I'm puzzled as to what could be. I'd say the Swordmaster but...

[ScottyM]

Unicorn Hair-Brusher. :-P

Queue the "My Little Pony" theme song!

[Earth Dragon]

Guess I'll have fun roleplaying a guy who can't talk.

[Konrad Siegesruf]

Guess I'll have fun roleplaying a guy who can't talk.

Would be quite doll RPing a Phoenix Guard, you know what'll happen(Which you won't know realistically) and you can't say a friggin' thing. Though the fact that the enemy pisses in their pants and run before even fighting you is quite entertaining :p.

[Thorens]

The only other classes i can think of would be...

Dragon Princes w/ dragons... not likely

Eagle tamers using tamed eagles (own creation). also not likely. :-?

A new creation. :-?

[Dranex]

i hope its something completely different but amazing..and not just a carbon cut out of some form of assassin class (witch elf)

i like the melee pet class idea...thats cool..but would it would well? sure they could deal damage fast..but that would have to hinder them if their pet dies in battle..they would be to weak to survive without it..such is any pet class

but i hope its something cool :P i just wanna see something new and amazing not just..o yeah...we guessed long ago kinda stuff

[Avatar Of War]

While i hope its the White Lions (and there seems to be some evidence to back this up either way). I will not be too upset if it is not them.

I just hope the White Lion fans show a little more decorum than say the Dark Elves when they found out it was the blood priest/Disciple instead of a Beast master that they wanted.

I really don't think I could take any more complaints on that high a level..
A lthough secretly I'm glad about no beast masters... there are only so many versions of the name Darr, that I could put up with... once I started seeing xxxDharmaandGreggxxx, I believe i would weep uncontrolably.:roll:

[Baradun]

White lions makes sense, it will attract the rogue, warrior and hunter crowd from "that game".

And Order needs all the help it can get against the awesomeness of destruction.

[Xilbalba]

Honestly, from what I've seen so far I wouldn't be surprised if mythic did make the PG playable and gave them psychic powers to overcome their "speech impediment". Female dwarves, Supermen of Khaine, Malekiths doom, man what's next!...oh yeah lion pets. ;)

[Avatar Of War]

Honestly, from what I've seen so far I wouldn't be surprised if mythic did make the PG playable and gave them psychic powers to overcome their "speech impediment". Female dwarves, Supermen of Khaine, Malekiths doom, man what's next!...oh yeah lion pets. ;)

Do I sense just a tad bit of pent up hostility?

Don't hold back Xilbalba..tell us how your really feel. :rolleyes:

[Konrad Siegesruf]

Honestly, from what I've seen so far I wouldn't be surprised if mythic did make the PG playable and gave them psychic powers to overcome their "speech impediment". Female dwarves, Supermen of Khaine, Malekiths doom, man what's next!...oh yeah lion pets. ;)

The Phoenix Guard being able to speak is much more lore-breaking than those things. Besides, they know what's going to happen, and most of the time they just stand still as the guardians of the Shrine of Asuryan.
And about the lion pets, it is NOT against the lore. Pick up a freaking 7th edition when you get time :roll:.

[Xilbalba]

The Phoenix Guard being able to speak is much more lore-breaking than those things. Besides, they know what's going to happen, and most of the time they just stand still as the guardians of the Shrine of Asuryan.
And about the lion pets, it is NOT against the lore. Pick up a freaking 7th edition when you get time :roll:.

Yea I got you, lion chariots omg sweet justification for giving the Phoenix Kings bodyguards a hulking lion. Everytime you noobs hide behind 7th and give me the rolly eyes an angel gets their wings clipped. :rolleyes:

People wanna hide behind a codex for justification but won't use it if it dosen't fit their needs.

Edit: I aplogize I didn't mean for it to be a swear but the literal act of defecating as in a vicous hulking defecating lion of which the point would be that it would be ill suited to guard the majestic phoenix king etc...

[Dyst]

Yea I got you, lion chariots omg sweet justification for giving the Phoenix Kings bodyguards a hulking lion. Everytime you noobs hide behind 7th and give me the rolly eyes an angel gets their wings clipped. :rolleyes:

People wanna hide behind a codex for justification but won't use it if it dosen't fit their needs.

People aren't referring to the lion chariots, stop your blabber, you're making a fool of yourself. It's been stated that the White Lions takes lions as pets.. woo big surprise, really.

[Xilbalba]

People aren't referring to the lion chariots, stop your blabber, you're making a fool of yourself. It's been stated that the White Lions takes lions as pets.. woo big surprise, really.

Well I humbly offer my apologies, I didn't mean it to come out the way it was interpreted (see edit). Some people like it some people don't, I'm just gonna leave it at that.

My original post was suppose to be humorous in content but some people obviously didn't take it that way. I must refrain from using sarcasm on the internet in the future. Bad Xilbalba bad! :(

I swear I will never make an assumption based on my own informed beliefs and opinions ever again...at least not without a scan of 7th edition High Elves which prove the white lions models have pets that come with them right? Not that they fight "Shoulder to shoulder with their comrades" like the cursed lying GW website and their false images tell me.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/catalog/White_Lions.htm

You and me Dyst, let's burn this baby down! :)

[Avatar Of War]

Well I humbly offer my apologies, I didn't mean it to come out the way it was interpreted (see edit). Some people like it some people don't, I'm just gonna leave it at that.

My original post was suppose to be humorous in content but some people obviously didn't take it that way. I must refrain from using sarcasm on the internet in the future. Bad Xilbalba bad! :(

I swear I will never make an assumption based on my own informed beliefs and opinions ever again...at least not without a scan of 7th edition High Elves which prove the white lions models have pets that come with them right? Not that they fight "Shoulder to shoulder with their comrades" like the cursed lying GW website and their false images tell me.

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/catalog/White_Lions.htm

You and me Dyst, let's burn this baby down! :)

I'm notorious for not getting sarcasm and I got yours... thats why I made the joke that I did.

If your sarcasm and rage and true feelings about the white lions was any more palpable, it would spawn a chaos demon of rage, in the real world:o

[Konrad Siegesruf]

Of the wild beasts that prowl within the realm of Chrace, the white lions from which the famed Chracian regiments take their name are the best known. These lions are deadly hunting cats that stand as tall at the shoulder as a horse. Each white lion is capable of rending a foe limb from limb and a swipe of their claws is enough to break a man's neck.

There are accounts of prides of white lions ravaging convoys travelling through the region and even attacking isolated villages should they become hungry enough. A great many songs, poems and tales within Chrace warn of straying too close to a white lion.

It is because of the incredible danger that the white lions present that the Chracian hunters are forced to hunt them with axe, spear and bow through the perilous forests of their homeland. Such encounters between the Elven hunters and white lions all too oftern go against the High Elves, for such is the sheer savagery of the lions that only the very greatest hunters can expect to triumph.

Not all white lions discovered by Chracian hunters are killed out of hand, however, for often lion cubs or adolescents are discovered and the High Elves take no joy in needless slaughter. These cubs would doubtless become savage and deadly beasts if they were left in the wild, but with expert care the young white lions are raised to become as loyal as a Griffon. Reared with a tenderness normally reserved for Elven steeds or other noble creatures, these 'tame' white lions swiftly form a bond with the Chracian hunters that foster them. Thereafter these cubs are known as War Lions, for they make formidable weapons upon the battlefield.

When the regiments of Chrace go to war they are often accompanied by powerful War Lions, that draw the famed Lion Chariots. Sturdy war engines made in the traditions of the legendary chariots of Tiranoc, the Lion Chariots are fashioned from the same smooth white wood. These chariots are the finest expression of the Elven artisan's craft. Unlike the swift and nimble Tiranoc Chariots though, the Chariots of drawn by a pair of ferocious War Lions, proud beasts whose feline grace and elegantly plaited manes belie their awesome power.

In contrast to the Tiranoc war chariots that sweep across the battlefield carefully picking at the foe, the Lion Chariot of Chrace is a brutal weapon of destruction. Proceeded by savage roars that shake the enemy to their very core, the Lion Chariots plough through skirmishers and crash fearlessly into the ranks of enemy regiments. The paired War Lions tear into the foe with fang and claw, bearing mounted warriors to the ground and creating pandemonium within tightly packed infantry formations. The crew fight from the chariot platform supporting the raging lions with deft blows from their axes, cleaving heads and shoulders with every strike. Such daring charges have become the hallmark of the Lion Chariots, earning them a reputation as courageous linebreakers capable of smashing even the most determined shieldwall.

Straight from the army book :).

[Xilbalba]

I'm notorious for not getting sarcasm and I got yours... thats why I made the joke that I did.

If your sarcasm and rage and true feelings about the white lions was any more palpable, it would spawn a chaos demon of rage, in the real world:o

Nah buddy I wasn't referring to you. Your sarcasm was pretty obvious, and I appreciate the joke. That's how a fun conversation should be. :-D

Konrad - Yeah and here's my point which you posted yourself (also kudo's for getting the text from the book):

When the regiments of Chrace go to war they are often accompanied by powerful War Lions, that draw the famed Lion Chariots. Sturdy war engines made in the traditions of the legendary chariots of Tiranoc, the Lion Chariots are fashioned from the same smooth white wood. These chariots are the finest expression of the Elven artisan's craft. Unlike the swift and nimble Tiranoc Chariots though, the Chariots of drawn by a pair of ferocious War Lions, proud beasts whose feline grace and elegantly plaited manes belie their awesome power

The paragraph you outlined explains how they obtained the lions and the paragraph here shows how they are used, which is back up by the fact that there are simply no GW models with WL outside of the chairot. Used separatly it may seem to indicate the hunters keep the lions but together it's more clear that they are used in reference to the chariots.

Here it becomes even more transparent:

Reared with a tenderness normally reserved for Elven steeds or other noble creatures, these 'tame' white lions swiftly form a bond with the Chracian hunters that foster them. Thereafter these cubs are known as War Lions, for they make formidable weapons upon the battlefield.

When the regiments of Chrace go to war they are often accompanied by powerful War Lions, that draw the famed Lion Chariots. Sturdy war engines made in the traditions of the legendary chariots of Tiranoc, the Lion Chariots are fashioned from the same smooth white wood. These chariots are the finest expression of the Elven artisan's craft. Unlike the swift and nimble Tiranoc Chariots though, the Chariots of drawn by a pair of ferocious War Lions, proud beasts whose feline grace and elegantly plaited manes belie their awesome power

Obviously once again it is a choice of seeing what you want to. So some would like to see it as justification for a WL pet I on the other hand don't (hence why it's a lore stretch not necessarily a break). I'm not really a raging berserker of Chaos bent on preserving the HE way of life or anything like that but it's my honest opinion based on what I observe. If I'm a fool for doing so then I happily wear the dunce cap of justice! :p

[aegir]

i would hate it if white lions weren't in.. im on the verge of trading in my marauder main for a white lion main... my only problem is that i think they will be vast overplayed...

[Konrad Siegesruf]

Nah buddy I wasn't referring to you. Your sarcasm was pretty obvious, and I appreciate the joke. That's how a fun conversation should be. :-D

Konrad - Yeah and here's my point which you posted yourself (also kudo's for getting the text from the book):

When the regiments of Chrace go to war they are often accompanied by powerful War Lions, that draw the famed Lion Chariots. Sturdy war engines made in the traditions of the legendary chariots of Tiranoc, the Lion Chariots are fashioned from the same smooth white wood. These chariots are the finest expression of the Elven artisan's craft. Unlike the swift and nimble Tiranoc Chariots though, the Chariots of drawn by a pair of ferocious War Lions, proud beasts whose feline grace and elegantly plaited manes belie their awesome power

The paragraph you outlined explains how they obtained the lions and the paragraph here shows how they are used, which is back up by the fact that there are simply no GW models with WL outside of the chairot. Used separatly it may seem to indicate the hunters keep the lions but together it's more clear that they are used in reference to the chariots.

Here it becomes even more transparent:

Reared with a tenderness normally reserved for Elven steeds or other noble creatures, these 'tame' white lions swiftly form a bond with the Chracian hunters that foster them. Thereafter these cubs are known as War Lions, for they make formidable weapons upon the battlefield.

When the regiments of Chrace go to war they are often accompanied by powerful War Lions, that draw the famed Lion Chariots. Sturdy war engines made in the traditions of the legendary chariots of Tiranoc, the Lion Chariots are fashioned from the same smooth white wood. These chariots are the finest expression of the Elven artisan's craft. Unlike the swift and nimble Tiranoc Chariots though, the Chariots of drawn by a pair of ferocious War Lions, proud beasts whose feline grace and elegantly plaited manes belie their awesome power

Obviously once again it is a choice of seeing what you want to. So some would like to see it as justification for a WL pet I on the other hand don't (hence why it's a lore stretch not necessarily a break). I'm not really a raging berserker of Chaos bent on preserving the HE way of life or anything like that but it's my honest opinion based on what I observe. If I'm a fool for doing so then I happily wear the dunce cap of justice! :p

Remember that we seem more like skirmishers than actual big regiments. It wouldn't fit in the tabletop if we were mixed like in the MMO. What I pointed out was that they formed a swift bond with the Chracian hunters that raised them. And it only says that they are usually used for Chariots. That doesn't mean they can't fight side by side with an elf in skirmish fights :p.

[Nightz]

i would hate it if white lions weren't in.. im on the verge of trading in my marauder main for a white lion main... my only problem is that i think they will be vast overplayed...

i think white lion will bring a lot of well needed players to Order thats just my opinion

[Xilbalba]

Remember that we seem more like skirmishers than actual big regiments. It wouldn't fit in the tabletop if we were mixed like in the MMO. What I pointed out was that they formed a swift bond with the Chracian hunters that raised them. And it only says that they are usually used for Chariots. That doesn't mean they can't fight side by side with an elf in skirmish fights :p.

Right, and that's the loophole Mythic has decided to exploit. It's just what I was saying in my op, that it follows the line of classes that Mythic made up...er "reimagined" (which aren't in any current army book either). Hence I wouldn't be surprised if (sarcastic comment) they included the PG (pure sarcasm, cause I'd kidnap Paul and ransom his if they did).:cool:

Edit: The only reason I responded to your post with defecating lion analogy (and admit it lions next to Phoenix king = horses with teeth and spikey hooves next to phoenix king, both deadly both do not control their own bowel movements :D) is that it irks me somewhat when people think I haven't read that passage a million times in ref to the chariots (I think by now everyone knows about the chariots). And then other/s (not you Konrad or Avatar) come and talk out of their behind (refraining from profanities) about something they haven't bothered to digest whilst talking high and mighty about foolishness. Standard forum conduct but don't fault me for pointing it out.

[aegir]

i think white lion will bring a lot of well needed players to Order thats just my opinion
im just worried the well needed players will be drooling morons straight from kindergarden (dunno how to spell the word lol srry )

[Chizu]

Just remember, Mythic isn't turning the tabletop game into an MMO, they are making an MMO in the Warhammer world. There are many things in Warhammer lore that aren't represented on the table top because the TT game is about rigid armies smashing into each other. There is much more that occurs in the Warhammer world that can't or just doesn't get represented on the table top.

[Xilbalba]

Granted what you say is true, but in doing so you would expect them to adhere to certain things that represent the world in which they are making an mmo in. But like you said a lot of things happen that GW dosen't write about till they feel like it, yet others outright contradict what GW has written (not the WL but others...).

One of the major points that makes you feel like your playing a Warhammer adapted mmo is that they get certain parts of the lore correct. Otherwise this wouldn't be as popular with warhammer fans who would like to see their favorite units/characters/what have you come to life through the medium of CG, in short, it would just be a different made up world altogether sodomizing the warhammer IP.

Even though the mmo isn't the same as the TT, the lore is what's fundamentally connecting the two. Without it, you just don't have warhammer and the more you change it to fit certain expectations you had the more it stray's into that murky area. Which is one of the reasons I disapprove of the White Lions being a pet class. It feels too much like they had to make the lore fit the game instead of the other way around.

Edit: And while what you say is correct in that no one knows everything there is or ever will be in Warhammer as they are always constantly changing and adding to the lore. We can only base our ideas on the fact that the current lore (aka TT books etc...) is all we have to reference.

[Chizu]

Granted what you say is true, but in doing so you would expect them to adhere to certain things that represent the world in which they are making an mmo in. But like you said a lot of things happen that GW dosen't write about till they feel like it, yet others outright contradict what GW has written (not the WL but others...).

One of the major points that makes you feel like your playing a Warhammer adapted mmo is that they get certain parts of the lore correct. Otherwise this wouldn't be as popular with warhammer fans who would like to see their favorite units/characters/what have you come to life through the medium of CG, in short, it would just be a different made up world altogether sodomizing the warhammer IP.

Even though the mmo isn't the same as the TT, the lore is what's fundamentally connecting the two. Without it, you just don't have warhammer and the more you change it to fit certain expectations you had the more it stray's into that murky area. Which is one of the reasons I disapprove of the White Lions being a pet class. It feels too much like they had to make the lore fit the game instead of the other way around.

Edit: And while what you say is correct in that no one knows everything there is or ever will be in Warhammer as they are always constantly changing and adding to the lore. We can only base our ideas on the fact that the current lore (aka TT books etc...) is all we have to reference.

That is definately true. Mythic cannot stray too far from what is currently accepted lore/canon. But I think White Lions keeping lions as companions isn't as far fetched as other things. They use the Great Eagles and Griffins in combat. What is so difficult about imagining them using the captured Lions as combatants? Just because it isn't written word for word in an army book doesn't mean it cannot happen, especially when there are enough hints at it (they use other beasts in combat, they "tame" young cubs to be used when they are grown).

And I hardly think Mythic adding in their own little touches when GW has left openings is creating a sodomized Warhammer world. Though that can only be taken as an opinion because I can only speak for myself.

[Hoodwink]

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/catalog/White_Lions.htm


Obviously there are lions in that picture but you can't see them because they are white and the background is white.

There might be polar bears too. You don't know.

[Xilbalba]

Obviously there are lions in that picture but you can't see them because they are white and the background is white.

There might be polar bears too. You don't know.

Full of win on several levels! :D

And yeah Chizu I agree the WL's aren't a complete red headed step child of Mythic, it's all a matter of opinion. The sodomizing part was just a colorful way to explain what happens if it goes too far. :p And right now several steps have been taken in that direction, so you can see why I'm hesitant to accept another kick to the shins.

Edit: Anyways this seems to have gotten off topic a bit, we should remake a thread titled "If White Lions aren't a Pet class", which is really my biggest gripe.

[Sulcataixlude]

Since your so 'anti white lion' xilbalba, what class do you 'suggest' should replace the white lion?

[Chizu]

I don't think he's "anti-white lions." He doesn't think they should be a pet class. I'm personally fine with having no alliance pet class, but I'm interested in how they make a melee pet class.

And I do see where you are coming from, Xilbalba. I disagree with a couple of their choices, but they have to approve all their choices with GW (or at least some GW representative) so they can't twist the lore too much, I'd imagine.

Anyways, back on topic. If they aren't a class, I can't imagine what the MDPS class would be for High Elves. It's not that elves aren't capable melee fighters (in fact they are supposed to be the best melee fighters because of their superior skills), its that there aren't many options for a good Player Class. Phoenix Guards are not allowed to talk, Dragon Princes are more of a tank, Ellyrian Reavers are horseback fighters, and the Seaguard would be boring. I also can't think of how they would create a class that wouldn't just be some variation on the standard White Lions. I think it is safe to assume they will be in, the question is how are they going to be implemented.

[Xilbalba]

Yep Chizu pretty much nailed it on the head (Happy New Years to all you grots btw :o). I think they should be in as a class just not a pet one. As it is, it feels like they're only filling in a role to balance out destructions Squig Herder, much like how the Disciple for DE balances out the WP of Order.