Is anyone else worried...

[Phoenix]

...that choppas seem to be relatively lacking in terms of requirement of skill in playing. For so many other classes it seems its about chains and combos and knowing your class and how to play it, and for people that are decent, the class is ok, but really good players unlock their full potential

from all the info that Ive seen so far it seems like choppas are basically attack attack some more, all the while building up frenzy. Not many positions, not many things that require skill to use, and therefore much less potential.

I really want to find a destruction class that I like, since so many of my friends are rolling destruction, and i thought choppa could be it, but everything I see just disapoints me. I really wanted to play a melee dpser, whether it be an offesnive tank or a straight dpser and it seems the destruction are lacking something with a steep learning curve.

Any suggestions about another class to play on destruction, or perhaps some insight on the choppa class, since thats what Im leaning towards at this point

[Kharnan]

How could you know how exactly career should be played, if there isn't even a game yet?
Besides, crafting is not yet known.

[Gemini]

First of all, we don't build frenzy anymore, we have a beserk ability which makes us hit harder and unlocks all sorts of sweet abilties, but the cooldown is longer than the duration so we can only do it for a little bit of a fight.

So, we gotta use our precious beserk time carefully to not waste anything and unleash maximum damage as well as choosing when to go beserk. Do we hit it as soon as it cooldowns, or do we wait for the perfect time? And lets forget positional attacks with collision detection, ect ect. It probably won't be the hardest class to play, but I don't think it lacks skill any more than most melee dps classes.

[NoneSuch]

Hahaha

"I'm so dissapointed this class is skilless"

Freakin' Play The godamn Game first before making rabid strange and random assumptions.

[Vidrak]

Hahaha

"I'm so dissapointed this class is skilless"

Freakin' Play The godamn Game first before making rabid strange and random assumptions.
While I can agree, I want to elaborate a little more on why I want to play the Choppa.

Not only does the berserking ability of them have me intersted. I think playing with this class and always being on the verge of death will be challenging. I would hope (but do not know for certain) that the Choppa will be the most powerful when thier life is not 100%. This is how most Berserking classes work and it is always very challenging to play this game of "chicken" with death.

The lower the health you are, the more powerful your attacks are and the more damage you do. This is a hope of mine, so we shall see.

Also, the OP says there is not skill or positionals invovled. The Choppa class has positional skills, such as back stabs or attacks from the flank of the target. It isn't just mashing all your skills to build of fury.


Here are some tips:
1) Play the game.
2) Read something about a class before you post untrue information.
3) Not make judgements, and make up things like "how skilless playing a Choppa is" when you have zero clue about what you are talking about.

There isn't a ton of information on any class. So labeling one "skilless" is silly. I think/hope all the classes will require skill to play, knowledge of the class, and a specific play style associated with each. That is what makes these games fun, a variety of classes and a different way to play each. I don't think they are designed will "skilless play" and "skillful play" in mind. Or else Mythic is really going agaisnt their ideas of "balanced PvP" and the skill involved in playing this game.

[Endemikus]

Choppa – The Choppa is a tough character. Out of the DPS careers, I’d say the Choppa is the one that can take the heaviest beating. The downside is that it’s kind of a tricky class. To get up to the damage output of the other DPS careers, you need to use Berserk, and you need to get kind of lucky with using your abilities. For example, one ability that requires Berserk roots you in place for 3 seconds, during which time you attack really, really fast. Unfortunately, people can counter this simply by…moving away from you. Again, for optimal effect, you need to catch people when they’re not paying attention to you.

Doesn't sound particularly ezmode to me...

Source: Raelimar's PAX Writeup (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16144) - Part 2 (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16173) - Part 3 (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16291)

It's well worth a read.

[Phoenix]

I know my first post made some of you dedicated choppas mad but it was mainly made to see what you like about the class. And no kidding, you cant really say anything about a game when it hasnt come out yet and, unless your in the beta or went to a gamesday, you havent played the game yet.

Almost everything on these forums is speculation, and what I said was speculation as well.
And also dont think I havent read about this at all, because Ive been trying to find more info. I guess the new mechanic makes them a bit better.

And to the guy who posted the info from Pax's writeup... Id already read that, thats one of the things that made me think that choppas required less skill. He even talks about how they have to get lucky in fighting...

[Stick&Move]

Choppa – The Choppa is a tough character. Out of the DPS careers, I’d say the Choppa is the one that can take the heaviest beating. The downside is that it’s kind of a tricky class. To get up to the damage output of the other DPS careers, you need to use Berserk, and you need to get kind of lucky with using your abilities. For example, one ability that requires Berserk roots you in place for 3 seconds, during which time you attack really, really fast. Unfortunately, people can counter this simply by…moving away from you. Again, for optimal effect, you need to catch people when they’re not paying attention to you.

Doesn't sound particularly ezmode to me...

Source: Raelimar's PAX Writeup (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16144) - Part 2 (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16173) - Part 3 (http://only-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16291)

It's well worth a read.

That is an excellent read. He seems very sincere and had a blast. All the classes sound great.

[Dranex]

nothing to do to with luck....to time that skill(i know which one he talks about ive seen it on alot of videos) you gotta time it right...wait while someone is fighting someone else run in and use it fast get in as man hits as you can from it...will hinder than in the fight and they will more than likely run if not die...and when he tries to run...(ive heard this someone i dont remember where) but all melee dps classeshave ranged attacks (not fast ones) but do alot of damage from the back and can even slow the enemy then sprint his down with berserk on...using skills...(and this is if all goes well) that seems pretty god damn hard to me...and skillful you cant just run in kamikaze and hope to kill people...you actually got to think in this game..no matter what class you are

[Endemikus]

That is an excellent read. He seems very sincere and had a blast. All the classes sound great.

Agreed! It might be the best material I've read on the game, simply because he communicates his opinions so well.

And to the guy who posted the info from Pax's writeup... Id already read that, thats one of the things that made me think that choppas required less skill. He even talks about how they have to get lucky in fighting...

Honestly mate, I think you're looking at it the wrong way. I'm sure that an experienced Choppa will be deadly if he knows how to position himself in combat and when to pop his Bezerks, while a beginner is gonna... suck. It might not take massive amounts of skill to position yourself behind a player for a single backstab, but to be constantly moving around firing off various positional attacks depending on the situation sounds potentially very challenging to me. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Choppa was one of the more difficult careers to master.

Raelimar's description of the class mechanics (despite his use of the word lucky; I expect he'd replace it with something more fitting if he had reason to) combined with RvR footage I've seen make it look like a very enjoyable skill-heavy class. I hope this alleviates some of your anxiety :p

[Vidrak]

I know my first post made some of you dedicated choppas mad but it was mainly made to see what you like about the class. And no kidding, you cant really say anything about a game when it hasnt come out yet and, unless your in the beta or went to a gamesday, you havent played the game yet.

Almost everything on these forums is speculation, and what I said was speculation as well.
And also dont think I havent read about this at all, because Ive been trying to find more info. I guess the new mechanic makes them a bit better.

And to the guy who posted the info from Pax's writeup... Id already read that, thats one of the things that made me think that choppas required less skill. He even talks about how they have to get lucky in fighting...
Not mad, I just think you were "jumping the gun" a little bit there.

And yes, it is all speculation, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I had one comment on the "lucky" part of the write-up. IMO, there is not luck in MMO's when it comes to positioning of your character and using skills at the right times. Luck is more if you hit your target, or if you crit, or if you dodge or resist a spell.

Positioning your character, or perhaps using an ability to stun/knockdown your opponent, or using the element of surprise is far from "luck". And setting your target up so they cannot just "move away to escape your attack" is part of the skill with the class, IMO. I don't think "lucky" is the right word used in that context.

[Endemikus]

Positioning you character, or perhaps using an ability to stun/knockdown your opponent, or using the element of surprise is far from "luck". And setting your target up so they cannot just "move away to escape your attack" is part of the skill with the class, IMO. I don't think "lucky" is the right word used in that context.

Thanks for mercilessly expanding upon my point :D

[Lionheart]

Hmmm 'chains and combos' ?

[RadioNinja]

It's DPS, you don't need to think. You could put a cat on your keyboard and still play well.

But from what I've read, Choppa is the melee dps on Destruction side that is supposed to have the most armor, so it may play like a light tank. I'm sure I've seen pictures of them with shields too.