So...Who Will Play A Disciple?

[celdiruen]

Well..

Even though the name is extremely lacking, and even thought disciples of Khaine are supposed to be masters of killing in his name and all that they care for is martial prowess, and even though they go against everything the Dark Elves, the Temple, and the Covenant stand for..

I think I'll actually play one.

I like the armor and especially the high collar guard and the half/partial helms. I also like the fact that they can dual ritual blades.

But right now I'm thinking...Them being a melee-style drain class..won't they get mass targeted to get put down quickly, so they don't drain everything and mass buff allies?

Only way to negate that would be to charge into an already-going fight where people don't notice you or to have good protection.

Sorry for the random rant of what is going through my head...

So..will you play one?

[Rivers]

I will be playing one as my main.

[Blackened]

sounds like an awesome career, but im going to stay with a sorceress

[Lord Tareq]

Obviously not.

[Jinsei]

It will most assuredly be my main alt, if not my actual main.

[Newber]

It's between chosen, choppa, black guard, marauder, black orc, and disciple of khaine for me.

[Razor Boy]

I wasn't going to play any DE but blackguard initially, but Disciple just made my list - that concept art looks fantastic, and ripping people's souls? Sweet! I definitely think he'll be my preferred Destruction healer class.

[Axxar]

My main character will be a Chosen, but I might roll one as an alt eventually.

[Mutters]

Dwarfs First And Forever!!! :d

[Ayetalam]

OO OOO ME ME!!!! It will be my main!!!

*still running around in excitement*

[Velorium]

I'll play it and its going to be my main. ;)

[Covenant Prophet]

I'll play it and its going to be my main. ;)

Same here.

[mongoose]

I will be the WarriorPriest kicking your sorry and lore breaking butts all over the battlefield ;)

[lemonhead]

I always play healers as my main, and i choose Dark Elfs long ago, i don't really care about the name, just the mechanics of it.

The only thing i am worried about at present is that usually healers stay further back than the tanks as they make good aggro magnets for mobs. Am interested to see what survivability a melee healer is in both PvE and PvP and threat management.

I know mainstay its HoT's, DoTs and Taps, will these be timed or most likely instants?

[Joeydevil]

Where is the option for "People who like to get killed by a whole group first" or "People who like giant Bullseyes on them"? No reason for any group not to kill a healer who is out front first, leaving the group healess.

[Fjorsvafi Casket-Tap]

I will be the WarriorPriest kicking your sorry and lore breaking butts all over the battlefield ;)

I'll lend ye mah hammar. Don't see much o' a difference between girly elgi an' twisted elgi. Both 'll eat mah hammar, particularly these...devotees of what may's well be Khorne. Only pansified.

[Lucrece]

It'll be my first alt besides my sorcerer main, definitely.

[Velorium]

Where is the option for "People who like to get killed by a whole group first" or "People who like giant Bullseyes on them"? No reason for any group not to kill a healer who is out front first, leaving the group healess.

Looks they're wearing mail to me. Enjoy ffing them down.

[Lucrece]

Looks they're wearing mail to me. Enjoy ffing them down.


Not to mention that with taunts from the tank, support heals from ranged healers, and the disciple's own drain effects, he'll be a pretty tough cookie to take down.

[Jinsei]

Where is the option for "People who like to get killed by a whole group first" or "People who like giant Bullseyes on them"? No reason for any group not to kill a healer who is out front first, leaving the group healess.
If that happens to be a possible scenario, order will have to weather that storm as well with their Warrior-Priests. It's as I've stated: there's a melee-healer, a ranged healer and a close combat healer for each faction all in the name of balance ;)

[Joeydevil]

If that happens to be a possible scenario, order will have to weather that storm as well with their Warrior-Priests. It's as I've stated: there's a melee-healer, a ranged healer and a close combat healer for each faction all in the name of balance ;)

Yeah, like I said last week. They will make a Melee healer to make things fair... for the Order.

[Velorium]

Not to mention that with taunts from the tank, support heals from ranged healers, and the disciple's own drain effects, he'll be a pretty tough cookie to take down.

Oh and COLLISION DETECTION. That what makes WAR great.

[Joeydevil]

I can't wait to see Archmages nuking Diciples to death before they get into melee range.

[Velorium]

I can't wait to see Archmages nuking Diciples to death before they get into melee range.

Now you're just trolling.

[Lucrece]

Now you're just trolling.

He really is. I guess he's doing substitute work while Xurre is on vacation.

[Dankard]

Yeah, like I said last week. They will make a Melee healer to make things fair... for the Order.

Dude are you playing the beta? Silly question okay... So basicly, you mean that a melee healer isn't viable? Well in my opinion, it's likely theire suriviability is at least as good as a melee dps.
I mean: they wear chainmail, they can heal themself and prolly can unbuff/curse you since we heard about "stealing ennemy forces"... I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be at least as hard to kill as a ranged healer, since they are probably twice as armored!

In my opinion, a melee healer is a good thing since they are close to the tank which lowers the risk of being out of range to heal him.

By they way this classe wont be my main, and not even my main alt, so I may as well say no.

[Misanthrope Prime]

Oh GOD do they look good... I mean, holy deep fried Raptor Jesus on a stick do they look amazing!


But I loves me a Magus too... arg, so much to choose from.

[Lucrece]

Dude are you playing the beta? Silly question okay... So basicly, you mean that a melee healer isn't viable? Well in my opinion, it's likely theire suriviability is at least as good as a melee dps.
I mean: they wear chainmail, they can heal themself and prolly can unbuff/curse you since we heard about "stealing ennemy forces"... I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be at least as hard to kill as a ranged healer, since they are probably twice as armored!

In my opinion, a melee healer is a good thing since they are close to the tank which lowers the risk of being out of range to heal him.

By they way this classe wont be my main, and not even my main alt, so I may as well say no.

Actually, the support archetypes in WAR range from having the same armor as melee DPS to a greater armor level. Warrior Priest and Runepriest are examples of the latter, while the others are of the former.

Support careers have been said to be the most durable after tanks, which is good news for tactical play.

[lemonhead]

Is the sorceress a ranged healer?

From my experience of MMORPGS, regardless of you wearing mail. Classes like the archmage with a lot of ranged DPS will have you down to nearly 10% health before you get near them, unless you catch them looking the other way.

When your the healer as well thats not good, you will spend more time trying to keep yourself alive then your group..

[Velorium]

Sorcs are DPS. No healing.

[lemonhead]

Sorcs are DPS. No healing.

If that happens to be a possible scenario, order will have to weather that storm as well with their Warrior-Priests. It's as I've stated: there's a melee-healer, a ranged healer and a close combat healer for each faction all in the name of balance ;)

If this is the case, who is the Dark Elfs ranged healer then?

[Rowhin]

If this is the case, who is the Dark Elfs ranged healer then?

Uh...no one. They only get a melee healer, just like the Empire.

[Foofmonger]

I can't wait to see Archmages nuking Diciples to death before they get into melee range.

Theoretically, this is not trolling. The page specifically states that the Disciple will be weak against people if he can't catch them (i.e. he gets kited). So this scenario is both possible and probable.

If anything the Disciple is going to be weakest against ranged dps/ranged support.

[Leontes]

Is the sorceress a healer?

From my experience of MMORPGS, regardless of you wearing mail. Classes like the archmage with a lot of ranged DPS will have you down to nearly 10% health before you get near them, unless you catch them looking the other way.

When your the healer as well thats not good, you will spend more time trying to keep yourself alive then your group..

As has been said, the Sorceress is a ranged damage class, and the support/healing class for Dark Elves is the Disciple of Khaine, who happens to be melee.

Also, the Archmage is not a ranged damage class for the High Elves. The Shadow Warrior fills that role, and the Archmage is their support/healing class.

Just a few clarifications, you seemed a little mixed up.

[Lucrece]

Theoretically, this is not trolling. The page specifically states that the Disciple will be weak against people if he can't catch them (i.e. he gets kited). So this scenario is both possible and probable.

If anything the Disciple is going to be weakest against ranged dps/ranged support.

The information itself may not be characteristic of trolling if we argue technicalities, but the tone behind this coupled with the poster's open disdain for this development certainly hints at Xurre-like vitriolic fits.

[lemonhead]

As has been said, the Sorceress is a ranged damage class, and the support/healing class for Dark Elves is the Disciple of Khaine, who happens to be melee.

Also, the Archmage is not a ranged damage class for the High Elves. The Shadow Warrior fills that role, and the Archmage is their support/healing class.

Just a few clarifications, you seemed a little mixed up.

thanks its getting late

[Foofmonger]

The information itself may not be characteristic of trolling if we argue technicalities, but the tone behind this coupled with the poster's open disdain for this development certainly hints at Xurre-like vitriolic fits.

If the trolling is debatable, the worst trolling done is by people replying and calling that person a troll. Calling out someone for trolling is trolling.

Regardless of that, lets stay on-topic!

It stands to reason that the Archmage/shaman can possibly be strong against the wp/disciple. Why? Because they potentially have good offensive power, combined with a range advantage. If they are built to be able to kite even slightly, they could have a very good chance against a melee based healer.

Melee based healers shine because they can beat up on melee dps and tanks, who normally maul ranged support guys. Melee based healers will likely be a pain for those up at the frontlines, and not have the utility of melee dps class to catch fleeing opponents.

[Gemini]

I always said I would roll one of everything, but I'm pretty sure I'm not rolling one of these, ever. I almost wanna go Order just to kill them...

[Ravanos]

I always said I would roll one of everything, but I'm pretty sure I'm not rolling one of these, ever. I almost wanna go Order just to kill them...

why the hostility?

[Lucrece]

If the trolling is debatable, the worst trolling done is by people replying and calling that person a troll. Calling out someone for trolling is trolling.

Regardless of that, lets stay on-topic!

It stands to reason that the Archmage/shaman can possibly be strong against the wp/disciple. Why? Because they potentially have good offensive power, combined with a range advantage. If they are built to be able to kite even slightly, they could have a very good chance against a melee based healer.

Melee based healers shine because they can beat up on melee dps and tanks, who normally maul ranged support guys. Melee based healers will likely be a pain for those up at the frontlines, and not have the utility of melee dps class to catch fleeing opponents.

I think you misunderstand the definition of trolling. Nevertheless, I agree; let's get back to the topic at hand!

[Jinsei]

If this is the case, who is the Dark Elfs ranged healer then?
Factions= Order, Destruction. The Destruction ranged healer...is the shaman.

[lemonhead]

the blood cauldron heals AKA rejuvenates - therefore khaine allows healing

Although it does sound that Disciples are greater than witches, which is a disappointment.

[lemonhead]

Factions= Order, Destruction. The Destruction ranged healer...is the shaman.

I was half asleep for some reason i thought you were referring that each race had 3 healer archtypes, not each faction :-):o

[Auku]

What ever gets me closer to a necromancer, I'm happy.

[Gemini]

why the hostility?

Ranti sums it up much better than I:

The substantial issue with this is that

1) it could of just as easily been a class from the covenets
2) The lore could be used in different ways, yet they entirely destroy witch elfs and hags..essentially
3) GG mythic for not including the two most important parts of Dark elf armies: Cross bows and War beasts

Don't personally care much about number 1, but 2 and 3 are what I don't like. If it hadn't have involved the blood cauldron, if Khaine coulda chosen them any other way, it woulda been okay. I wouldn't have liked it, but it coulda been worse. And if ya add on top of that the fact we get no cross-bows and no beastmasters. But hey, they can't please everyone, and this time I'm one of the one who isn't pleased, so I'll just deal with it. Good for yall who wanted your blood priest, because you have it.

[Stick&Move]

All the hating has definitely made up my mind. I'll be creating a Disciple of Khaine.

[Ranti]

If I play one it will be my last alt, which means I got 23/24 classes to play first


I will probably never get that far, the look is kinda cool, and the mechanic somewhat interesting and will probalby be fun, but just knowing how much of a lore abomination it is I will probably not play one.

I voted no

[Gilead]

Hearing the mechanics, seeing the look and reading what lore they make of it has converted me into one.

Flowers for the Blood God!

[goetia]

The class looks awesome, and ive been following the lore issue, why everyone is complaining, and you know, they pretty much did what everyone expected them to do, make something that was definitely needed in the game while bending and twisting the lore. I think the class looks awesome, and will probably play it as my main, the zealot looks interesting but the disciple is just too kewl.

[Sindal]

I of course, shall be king of all disciples. As soon as I get that entire red set I'll make a video for you all as Ulthuan burns:evil:

[Hedley]

i voted no, thanks to this bastardization of the lore being confirmed now it almost makes me want to roll an order class just be to able to kill them over and over

[Stick&Move]

I of course, shall be king of all disciples. As soon as I get that entire red set I'll make a video for you all as Ulthuan burns:evil:

Much as I love the look of the class and am considering an alt, you go too far. An arrow in the heart for you. ;)

[Ayetalam]

I of course, shall be king of all disciples. As soon as I get that entire red set I'll make a video for you all as Ulthuan burns:evil:

Not if I beat you to it :P.

[Sindal]

i voted no, thanks to this bastardization of the lore being confirmed now it almost makes me want to roll an order class just be to able to kill them over and over


I shall put your soul to good use =p

[Ominous Anonymous]

I of course, shall be king of all disciples. As soon as I get that entire red set I'll make a video for you all as Ulthuan burns:evil:

I'll let Snookums see to that. ;)

[Necrotoxin]

Well I was going to be a Black Orc, but this is just to awesome sounding to pass up.

[Anglakhel]

I've been set on playing a DE Tank for as long as I've known they were making WAR and DEs would be included.

No Career until now has seriously tempted me into switching.

The Disciple of Khaine is an evolution of the lore, but it's damn cool. Hopefully the Black Guard will rock so hard that I can put this temptation out of mind, but until we get some delicious Black Guard details the Disciple of Khaine is looking awfully tempting.

[Hedley]

I shall put your soul to good use =p

i am, quite frankly, not scared of you at all


its 1 of several personal policies ive developed over the years of playing MMOs, this particular one i thought of during the pallies from space crap blizzard passed off on us. everybody that actually defended blizzard for their "oops we forgot sargeras was supposed to corrupt the draeni not the other way around" were some of the most worthless pvpers ive ever seen. whether they were on my side being as useful as a fridge in alaska or being the easiest HKs. this whole disciple thing is even worse than the draeni thing so you cant be possibly better than those wow morons

[Ominous Anonymous]

The Draenei thing was much worse, as it literally reversed an entire section of lore. This, as another poster put it, evolves it.

[Nightz]

They might be the anti-caster melee class drains heals and high armor and dual weilding how great could a healer get? a pally x100

this may make me reroll. id deffinately play one over rune priest

[Relentless]

I'm still playing a BG first, but I'm definitely going to give this class a look over. I lost interest in the Zealot because it wasn't centered around melee, and the Disciple fits the bill. If I do wind up playing a Disciple, though, it'll probably be a female. Simply because, well, I'm still trying to figure out what a male was doing in a blood cauldron.

[Anglakhel]

I'm still playing a BG first, but I'm definitely going to give this class a look over. I lost interest in the Zealot because it wasn't centered around melee, and the Disciple fits the bill. If I do wind up playing a Disciple, though, it'll probably be a female. Simply because, well, I'm still trying to figure out what a male was doing in a blood cauldron.

The Cauldron story riffs on the traditional descriptions of the Cauldron and Death Night. The Witch Elves throw any children they kidnap into the Cauldron. Any that survive are considered marked by Khaine. It changes a bit from edition to edition, but basically women that survive become Witch Elves and males become Assassins.

In this version, those that survive the Cauldron are marked and at least some of them are trained as Disciples of Khaine which can be male or female.

[Ranti]

The Draenei thing was much worse, as it literally reversed an entire section of lore. This, as another poster put it, evolves it.

Flowers, healing, and resurrection in the name of khaine the bloody handed god!!!



Females coming out of the cauldron on death night...not being turned into witch elfs but are now disciples!!!

Those who rise out of the cauldron are no longer assassin but Disciples!!!!


Hurrays

Witch elfs are no longer the most chosen of khaine but the disciple is now second only to khaine!!!


More hurrays


yeah...lore butchery this isn't evolutoin this is totally changing, the worst part is that witch elfs are in the game, so I guess Disciples are more chosen witch elfs...those poor hags no longer rule the temple of khaine! hey maybe these guys are now khaines new brides since khaine decided to be the bloody handed god of bisexual marriage, ressurection, love, healing, and...um..what else was that oh yeah murder.

[Dranex]

ok if you dont like the idea of them changing the game...dont play...ok cause im sick of listening to you bashers..who cares...you dont lke it..dont play no body cares about your opinion you guys who follow the lore like its gods word is retarded get a life...live with change...and if you wanna complain go do it somewhere people care...gg

[Ganymed]

Well..

Even though the name is extremely lacking, and even thought disciples of Khaine are supposed to be masters of killing in his name and all that they care for is martial prowess, and even though they go against everything the Dark Elves, the Temple, and the Covenant stand for..

I think I'll actually play one.

I like the armor and especially the high collar guard and the half/partial helms. I also like the fact that they can dual ritual blades.

But right now I'm thinking...Them being a melee-style drain class..won't they get mass targeted to get put down quickly, so they don't drain everything and mass buff allies?

Only way to negate that would be to charge into an already-going fight where people don't notice you or to have good protection.

Sorry for the random rant of what is going through my head...

So..will you play one?

probably, playing with the thought to play one as my main.

and to the targetting first "problem": I dont think it will be that bad; in organised groups u will most likely have capable tanks, if they do their job u wont get ganked down by 5+ within seconds.

and in unorganised group rvr/pvp theres hardly any target priority at all for the whole group, so wouldnt worry much about that either.

[Ganymed]

Where is the option for "People who like to get killed by a whole group first" or "People who like giant Bullseyes on them"? No reason for any group not to kill a healer who is out front first, leaving the group healess.

well, noone forces u as healer to go in there first, even before the tanks :p

[Oberyn]

I've just found my class, like someone else said, was looking at the zealot, but i was not convinced, the disciple on the other hand, i knew i'd play one after reading 3 lines of that class overview.

To the people who are bashing the disciple, all the hating won't change a thing, if it's announced, it must mean gw signed off on it. Not saying you guys dont have a point, but the class sounds great. Even if it's not lore correct, it will make for a fun playing experience, and thats what the overall purpose of the game is, right? Providing a fun experience for people. Sure, it's not 100% correct lorewise, but they had to come up with something.

[chady]

Future disciple of Khaine here unless they add some sort of mechanic i find very unattractive.
Would have preferred the name blood priest but, c'est la vie.

[Auku]

I will play one.

[Drunkenmaster]

I'm very reluctant to play a melee healer as it's generally not my style. But I like the look of the class so I'll be playing one.

[Bluucandi]

Me! Me! Me! I will play one. This will be like playing a reaver (but a dual weilding one) and warden rolled into one. Best of all, there is no gender restriction on this class. I am sooooo pleased!

[Ominous Anonymous]

Definitely as an alt, probably a main. :)

Flowers, healing, and resurrection in the name of khaine the bloody handed god!!!

Females coming out of the cauldron on death night...not being turned into witch elfs but are now disciples!!!

Those who rise out of the cauldron are no longer assassin but Disciples!!!!

Hurrays

Witch elfs are no longer the most chosen of khaine but the disciple is now second only to khaine!!!

More hurrays

yeah...lore butchery this isn't evolutoin this is totally changing, the worst part is that witch elfs are in the game, so I guess Disciples are more chosen witch elfs...those poor hags no longer rule the temple of khaine! hey maybe these guys are now khaines new brides since khaine decided to be the bloody handed god of bisexual marriage, ressurection, love, healing, and...um..what else was that oh yeah murder.1-Are you still going on about this? If you didn't sound so passive-aggressive about all this I'd assume you were playing Mario Kart.

2-I believe most of this anger is really over semantics, and we should wait for GW to clarify it (ex: true champions vs true priests, the exact hiereachy, blah blah blah).

3-Until then, stop being such a troll and actually contribute to these threads you post in so much. Then again, at this point if we couldn't tell whether or not you wanted to roll one at the moment we'd be doing worse than you. :cool:

[Relentless]

The Cauldron story riffs on the traditional descriptions of the Cauldron and Death Night. The Witch Elves throw any children they kidnap into the Cauldron. Any that survive are considered marked by Khaine. It changes a bit from edition to edition, but basically women that survive become Witch Elves and males become Assassins.

In this version, those that survive the Cauldron are marked and at least some of them are trained as Disciples of Khaine which can be male or female.
Ah, that makes more sense. I'm assuming the difference they're making with Disciples centers around the eye color change. All the Disciple artwork prominently shows those distinctive eyes of theirs, so I'm assuming that's their workaround for that.

As for the power structure, it sounds like they've been secreted away or at least secluded from most of drucchi society at large. Perhaps secret weapons the temple has been squirreling away until the right time, like an invasion of their ancestral home.

[Lord Tareq]

Ah, that makes more sense. I'm assuming the difference they're making with Disciples centers around the eye color change. All the Disciple artwork prominently shows those distinctive eyes of theirs, so I'm assuming that's their workaround for that.


I've looked up the eyes, its from the Malus Darkblade novels. In those novels the chosen of Khaine have brass eyes.

see also here for a nice read involving one of those chosen:

http://www.blacklibrary.com/pdf/lord-of-ruin.pdf

[Karas]

ok if you dont like the idea of them changing the game...dont play...ok cause im sick of listening to you bashers..who cares...you dont lke it..dont play no body cares about your opinion you guys who follow the lore like its gods word is retarded get a life...live with change...and if you wanna complain go do it somewhere people care...gg


QFBTFT = quoted for being too fcking true !

Lores go away ... they bent it .. we knew they would .. and they did a great job of it ... most people like it ... only like 10 people on the forums are spaming bashing and squirming about lorelol ... its a game NOT the TT / NOT the books / not anything in any wayshapeorform related to what you are used to. It uses the story as a background ... but IT IS A GAME! MMO! WHERE YOU GO AND KILL!

If you don't like it buzz off ... your complains are stupid and those that like the class dont CARE what you think. This is a forum for those that LIKE the class and want to discuss how they will/would play it .. what they would like from it .. not bash it to bits.

I am quite frankly getting really annoyed at all these trollqq posts from lorehags, and i honestly hope that the Mods will look over these forums and put an end to it.

[Tastreth]

Definitely. I love playing buff/support/dps classes, and this one looks like just my kinda thing. =D

[Lint]

I'd been discussing what classes my friends were going to play, and really we only had one person even moderately interested in support. So this class really hooked me on a class that seemed interesting. So yes, I'm maining this character.

[Eltair Shadowblade]

I'm actually thinking about going witch hunter, and I'll promise you now, I'll hunt down any bloody discple i see.
I will pierce my rapier through his heart, and put a hand full of lead in his face.

DIE DISCIPLE, DIE!!.

[Batzorig]

Make room on the main train. :D

[Aqualisk]

Can't wait to try one. I've been looking forward to the release of the dark elf melee healer for a long time.

[Daedarin]

I must say they look daunting as much as a druchii spawn can. It will be a great pleasure carving an artwork from his flesh with my ancient greatsword and painting it with the colors of crimson!

[Turkish Massage Owl]

I was planning on playing as a Zealot, but after I saw the Disciple, I crapped my pants. Screw the lore, it's a game. To quote a mighty awesome dude, "FUN, YOU F*CKERS!" The mechanics of the Disciple sound really fun, the armor is fantastic... They just look so damn cool.



Geez, I haven't posted in a while...

[Necrophagist]

If I were playing Chaos, I would definitely play a Disciple.

[Ayetalam]

If I were playing Chaos, I would definitely play a Disciple.

Wrong race. The Disciple is a Dark Elf

[Sgt Mc Badass]

I think he meant Destruction. And no I won't for I will send the wicked Druchii back to their lairs to lick their wounds.

[Seventh Child]

Probably never. I'm not a fan of Elves anyway, and although I'm fairly indifferent to the classes Elves get, I wasn't exactly ecstatic over this sudden shift in Khaine's "personality" as a god. I also found Witch Elves to be really interesting. "Brides of Khaine", female only death fanatics. Nothing I'd play, but a really interesting aspect of Warhammer.

Now Khaine has a beer belly, and watches football with the disciples whilst neglecting his wives.

[ValcyrVexx]

Pretty much the lore behind the disciple ruined any hope I had for Dark Elves in this game... But oh well, I'll try and skate by with a chosen...

[chady]

wouldnt it then also ruin your hopes for chaos with how the chosen is but a shadow of his(i say his here due to them apparently not being women as well as men anymore) former self in this most exalted lore of which you speak? Being on par in power with a goblin, orc, elf, human or dwarf?

[Nurgling]

I'm still very up in the air between trusting in Mythic and making a support class my main or not. I'm skeered of the majority of players who won't embrace the hybridness of Mythics support classes and just expect us to heal. But, I must say, Disciple has sparked my interest the most of the support classes.

Also not helping the situation is that I can't even pick any non-support class yet either. :( I'll probably end up waiting until we get skill lists and such, closer to release.

[Disciple]

i think eventually i will. it'll be the first squishy class i play. the way the mechanics were described sounded way fun.

but i must satisfy the chaos gods first.

[Loekii]

Overall, I see the Druchi being far too tailored to -- in my opinion -- a less mature crowd than other races. This doesn't mean that every Druchi player is immature, but I suspect that they will have a much greater percentage than other races.

The addition of the Disciple seems to only further that assumption.

[Ayetalam]

i think eventually i will. it'll be the first squishy class i play. the way the mechanics were described sounded way fun.

but i must satisfy the chaos gods first.

A disciple is as squishy as a warrior priest. so not that much. They are in medium armor.

[Peemja]

Perhaps as an alt.

[Desiax]

I've at least got to try them out. I mean, they have a little bit of melee although I'm sure not too powerful but then you have these necromancer-like abilities to drain and use that drain to buff and heal? I think this will be an absolutely amazing solo class and probably looked for in RvR. If someone knew how to play this class it seems it'd be really good.

[Annysia]

Aye, count me in!

[ValcyrVexx]

wouldnt it then also ruin your hopes for chaos with how the chosen is but a shadow of his(i say his here due to them apparently not being women as well as men anymore) former self in this most exalted lore of which you speak? Being on par in power with a goblin, orc, elf, human or dwarf?

You know what... You're right... I thought maybe I could muddle through with a chosen, but what's the point...

[Lemures]

Class looks sweet as hell, I'll deffinatly play one, just not sure if it'll be a main char or not.
Still leaning towards the Sorceress as a main right now.

[Kharlene]

Eventually, yes, I will play a Disciple, because as I've stated many times, I like to play all classes in an MMO, sorceress will be my main, but I love trying out everything at one time or another. :mrgreen:

[Stick&Move]

I'm definitely planning on playing a Destruction support class but right now I'm wrestling between the Disciple and the Zealot.

The melee hybrid style of the Disciple looks like a great challenge, especially in solo & PvE but I am a huge fan of debuffing and the Zealot seems to fit the bill there.

[Ningiliath]

If the people who OWN the blood lore consider it to be ok than I think the interweb fanboi's are the ones who are confused ..not Mythic and GW.

Get over it, the lore has been changeing and evolving since day one.

All this pissing and moaning is old, and half of you are gonna be playing them anyway once you see h ow interesting the class is.

Get over it.

[shotgunbadger]

Overall, I see the Druchi being far too tailored to -- in my opinion -- a less mature crowd than other races. This doesn't mean that every Druchi player is immature, but I suspect that they will have a much greater percentage than other races.

The addition of the Disciple seems to only further that assumption.

Howso? I mean aside from the obvious teens that will never level their Witch Elf past 5.

[Haemonculi]

It will be my main:p, I will harvest the souls of the enemy in the name Khaine!

[Bulwyf]

Hello gang, been a long time. Almost getting killed in a car wreck and months later having another surgery to remove some small pieces of glass that got embedded in tendons will make you MIA. :p

I think I qualify as a lore nut and while I have some reservations about this class I honestly think it sounds fun and it does fit the lore if you view this as a necessary change for a MMO game. There is NO WAY you could have one race with zero healing or support in a MMO. Just not happening folks.

What I enjoy about this is it sounds very much like Malus's crazy brother in the Darkblade series. I consider that series to be lore btw. Khaine is not going to let his chosen people simply get butchered in the field and not expect mortal creatures to try and heal wounds or tend to the sick. That's simply absurd. Yes, he's the god of murder. He's also the patron deity of the entire druchii race and in his own sick way is the father figure and protector of it. Having some of his priests help spread more murder by healing them or bringing them back (sorry folks its a MMO this is just going to have to be accepted) is simply part of the protector aspect of the god.

So consider this lore nut and druchii nut very happy with the DoK, its great to have a melee healer for the bad guys to play off the WP for the good guys. If I can't get my precious mounted combat or Cold One Knights then running around stabbing people in the face and tossing some heals for fellow druchii sounds like fun to me. 8)

[Ayetalam]

Hello gang, been a long time. Almost getting killed in a car wreck and months later having another surgery to remove some small pieces of glass that got embedded in tendons will make you MIA. :p

I think I qualify as a lore nut and while I have some reservations about this class I honestly think it sounds fun and it does fit the lore if you view this as a necessary change for a MMO game. There is NO WAY you could have one race with zero healing or support in a MMO. Just not happening folks.

What I enjoy about this is it sounds very much like Malus's crazy brother in the Darkblade series. I consider that series to be lore btw. Khaine is not going to let his chosen people simply get butchered in the field and not expect mortal creatures to try and heal wounds or tend to the sick. That's simply absurd. Yes, he's the god of murder. He's also the patron deity of the entire druchii race and in his own sick way is the father figure and protector of it. Having some of his priests help spread more murder by healing them or bringing them back (sorry folks its a MMO this is just going to have to be accepted) is simply part of the protector aspect of the god.

So consider this lore nut and druchii nut very happy with the DoK, its great to have a melee healer for the bad guys to play off the WP for the good guys. If I can't get my precious mounted combat or Cold One Knights then running around stabbing people in the face and tossing some heals for fellow druchii sounds like fun to me. 8)

Wow, I was wondering where you disappeared. I used to read your posts and all before I started posting, but i started posting after you disappeared. Glad you are ok and pulled through. All that is important is you are alive :) good luck with the rest of the stuff. Yes running round stabbing people and then heal will be awesome fun.

Good luck with your surgeries, all will be well, and welcome back to the forums.

[Bourne]

There is NO WAY you could have one race with zero healing or support in a MMO. Just not happening folks.

WoW Gnomes, lol.
I agree though on the point that in RvR type of game keeping 4 archetypes for each race is necessary. That said, I am excited as hell about a perspective of being a melee healer and will probably roll one as alt in the future ;)

[Slash]

I think I qualify as a lore nut and while I have some reservations about this class I honestly think it sounds fun and it does fit the lore if you view this as a necessary change for a MMO game. There is NO WAY you could have one race with zero healing or support in a MMO. Just not happening folks.

I don't think anybody is disputing that fact there needs to be a support class in ever race, that would be very unreasonable. And while I do admit (regrettably) the Disciple does look fun, I don't like them, I don't have to like them, I'm not playing one.

There were other possibilities for the Support Role that could have functioned in the exact same manor.

Off Topic: I'm sorry to hear about your accident :(. I hope your feeling better.

[Bulwyf]

Wow, I was wondering where you disappeared. I used to read your posts and all before I started posting, but i started posting after you disappeared. Glad you are ok and pulled through. All that is important is you are alive :) good luck with the rest of the stuff. Yes running round stabbing people and then heal will be awesome fun.

Good luck with your surgeries, all will be well, and welcome back to the forums.

Thank you for the kind words. :) I thought at first I would be back to normal within a month or two but I kept having persistent pain that physical therapy and non invasive procedures were not helping. I finally convinced them to look again and they found some very small fragments of glass still left in my shoulder that had gotten worked into the tendons and deep muscle tissue. I believe its finally back to normal now though I still have some pain and discomfort due to cold and rain but I have been informed that's now something I just "have to deal with" for the rest of my life.

In any case I am glad to be alive and that my wife's injuries were much lighter than my own. Glad to be back and thank you again for the sympathy.

[Bulwyf]

I don't think anybody is disputing that fact there needs to be a support class in ever race, that would be very unreasonable. And while I do admit (regrettably) the Disciple does look fun, I don't like them, I don't have to like them, I'm not playing one.

There were other possibilities for the Support Role that could have functioned in the exact same manor.

Off Topic: I'm sorry to hear about your accident :(. I hope your feeling better.

Why exactly do you not like them if I can ask?

And thank you for the kind words, I am much better than I was before (see previous post).

[Rik Riorik]

Hello gang, been a long time. Almost getting killed in a car wreck and months later having another surgery to remove some small pieces of glass that got embedded in tendons will make you MIA. :p

:( . And here I thought the reason you were missing was because A) playing the beta beats meaningless discussion on the forums or B) you were bummed out by the lore and had decided that enough was enough.

EDIT. I think people generally dislike the Disciple because it doesn't fit with their percieved notion of how the fluff works. In my world where no concerns are taken to MMO needs or not there is however absolutely no problem in including the Disciple in the angesty family of Dark Elves.

[Bulwyf]

:( . And here I thought the reason you were missing was because A) playing the beta beats meaningless discussion on the forums or B) you were bummed out by the lore and had decided that enough was enough.

EDIT. I think people generally dislike the Disciple because it doesn't fit with their percieved notion of how the fluff works. In my world where no concerns are taken to MMO needs or not there is however absolutely no problem in including the Disciple in the angesty family of Dark Elves.

lol no, I obviously enjoy posting here and reading opinions of people I respect (you included despite our previous disagreements) and just being part of a good community. The beta stuff is obviously something I can't discuss here but there's more to gaming than just playing in a beta.

I always thought there was at least a very good chance of the Disciple being included just to give Destruction a melee healer and that Mythic would want the Sorceress to be limited to a pure ranged damage class instead of a healer/ranged hybrid. I do understand people being upset that their Shades or Corsairs were excluded, heck I'm still grumpy about no mounted combat and no Cold One Knights, but to not even give a game a chance because of that is a bit extreme IMO.

[Rik Riorik]

lol no, I obviously enjoy posting here and reading opinions of people I respect (you included despite our previous disagreements) and just being part of a good community.

Apart from disagreeing on the topic of Black Guard and Cold Ones did we really have any disagreements? Well apart from the time when I was trying to be a funny and wholesome and just a tad creative and you thought I was trying to belittle you and your views ;) .

You'd be surprised by the amount of brimstone that has been coming out of people's mouths around here these last weeks, that is when molten lava hasn't been sprouting from their eyes*. Everything is breaking the lore in new and irreperable ways. Quite an amount of feelings abound and whilst I'm not sure I wouldn't be surprised if there have been posts with people leaving if so and so happens.

As for favourite careers being left out to rot well I personally would have liked both Corsairs and Assassins in game either would have suited my tastes better than the Witch Elf. Just as there are many other careers for other races that I would have seen dumped in favour of others.

*this is not a Disciple pun in any way shape or form. At least not in one that I understand.

[Slash]

Why exactly do you not like them if I can ask?

And thank you for the kind words, I am much better than I was before (see previous post).

While I do not wish to debate this again, I will answer your question, then post no further. The two main issues I have with Disciples is the fact Khaine would never grant healing/resurrection powers (due to it being the opposite of his nature) to a Druchii. And secondly the fact I utterly detest Disciples advancing Witch Elves in the structure of the temple. Another issue I have with the Disciples (or Mythic) is that Mythic could have easily created a career didn't heal in the name of Khaine, which basically would have appeased everybody. Instead they chose to develop a class that they surely would have known would create disdain throughout part of the community.

Somewhat Off-Topic: I'm not attacking Mythic, other than a few unwise decisions I think they are creating what seems to be a great game :mrgreen:

[Ayetalam]

Well Anglakhel proved that he is able to heal and no where in lore does it say he cant. He has 1000 aspects and many faces, the chances of at least 1 being a supportive aspect is VERY likely. This has debated 1000s of times. All bullwyf needs to do is go into the Dark Elf Main forum, and go read the 20 locked topics on this subject. all going 20-33 pages each. Helll he can use my consolidation topics as starting points because I have made topics with links ot all hte others for reference.

The interpretation that Khaine can not heal is probably the biggest load of bull ive seen so far. Regardless if he is the god of murder or not.

Go read Liber Chaotica and how gods are made and give power. If there is a sect that worships him in a way that says he heals, then he will grant healng powers. The witches dont get these because they dont believe in magic or that khaine can heal, hence doesnt grant them any healing power.

[Anglakhel]

Well Anglakhel proved that he is able to heal and no where in lore does it say he cant. He has 1000 aspects and many faces, the chances of at least 1 being a supportive aspect is VERY likely. This has debated 1000s of times. All bullwyf needs to do is go into the Dark Elf Main forum, and go read the 20 locked topics on this subject. all going 20-33 pages each. Helll he can use my consolidation topics as starting points because I have made topics with links ot all hte others for reference.

The interpretation that Khaine can not heal is probably the biggest load of bull ive seen so far. Regardless if he is the god of murder or not.

Go read Liber Chaotica and how gods are made and give power. If there is a sect that worships him in a way that says he heals, then he will grant healng powers. The witches dont get these because they dont believe in magic or that khaine can heal, hence doesnt grant them any healing power.

Honestly though, let's not start this issue again. Arguing about Khaine's nature hasn't done much good. Everyone has a personal interpretation and most people don't seem to want to budge opinions on these matters.

The Disciple is in. It simply isn't productive to argue whether or not it can exist. In WAR, it does.

I'm still interested in discussing with other lore fans how to best represent the Disciple in a way that works with as much of the existing lore as possible, but arguing about whether or not the Disciple should have been included is deader than dead as a meaningful issue.

[Slash]

Honestly though, let's not start this issue again. Arguing about Khaine's nature hasn't done much good. Everyone has a personal interpretation and most people don't seem to want to budge opinions on these matters.

The Disciple is in. It simply isn't productive to argue whether or not it can exist. In WAR, it does.

I'm still interested in discussing with other lore fans how to best represent the Disciple in a way that works with as much of the existing lore as possible, but arguing about whether or not the Disciple should have been included is deader than dead as a meaningful issue.

I agree, I only answered because I was asked. I apologise. While I don't like Disciples, I do accept that they are now a part of the game. I am no longer arguing further. However, I have been discussing in various other threads ways to implement them that isn't going to be as damaging.

Again I will never play one. That is just a personal decision.

[Bulwyf]

Honestly though, let's not start this issue again. Arguing about Khaine's nature hasn't done much good. Everyone has a personal interpretation and most people don't seem to want to budge opinions on these matters.

The Disciple is in. It simply isn't productive to argue whether or not it can exist. In WAR, it does.

I'm still interested in discussing with other lore fans how to best represent the Disciple in a way that works with as much of the existing lore as possible, but arguing about whether or not the Disciple should have been included is deader than dead as a meaningful issue.

Are you asking that in terms of RPing the class?

[Drift3r]

Is the sorceress a ranged healer?

From my experience of MMORPGS, regardless of you wearing mail. Classes like the archmage with a lot of ranged DPS will have you down to nearly 10% health before you get near them, unless you catch them looking the other way.

When your the healer as well thats not good, you will spend more time trying to keep yourself alive then your group..

The goblin shaman and Chaos zealot are the ranged healers for Destruction I believe. Disciples are the melee damage healers.

[Anglakhel]

Are you asking that in terms of RPing the class?

I've been talking about the general lore backstory of the Disciples and the Temple of Khaine. Issues that matter to anyone that gets interested in the lore of a game, whether or not they choose to roleplay.

There are a couple threads that have gone around about how the Disciple is likely to fit into the hierarchy of the Temple of Khaine. I've tried to focus a couple discussion on the how the lore details should work out now that we know we have the Disciples of Khaine, rather than focusing on discussions of whether or not we should have Disciples of Khaine.

One of my personal suggestions on how we might interpret the lore is to imagine the Disciples as the children of Khaine and his Brides, the Maibd. The Cauldron of Blood becomes a surrogate womb through which the Disciples (and Assassins in general) are born.

I was attempting to illustrate that there are plenty of ways that we can imagine the Disciples would fit into the lore and the structure of the Temple of Khaine without replacing or displacing the Witch Elves.

[Speedy]

....>.> Maybe?

[Fr0]

Wow..

These seem like what I've wanted Shades to be. Actually, it's more like straight out of the Temple of Khaine list.

[Amarll]

I must say they look daunting as much as a druchii spawn can. It will be a great pleasure carving an artwork from his flesh with my ancient greatsword and painting it with the colors of crimson!
Too bad a Disciple would eat you.

You are a tank that relies on Dodge/parries

Spells cannot be dodged/parried

Tanks=tank not DPS leave that job to the RDPS

You are not a Greenskin/Dwarf with highly resistant skin.

Too bad you won't be able to out-DPS the Druchii Disciples.


/rank off

I will have one as an alt. I AM AN ALTO-HOLIC.

[Speedy]

Though I do agree with you, Amarll, I would be scared if I saw a great sword being swung at me, since my armor is light/medium at best. Sure, I can tap him to death, he will still be annoying while he is able to strike at me; especially if he damages me more then I can heal myself(by "eating" him.)

Just my own opinion on the matter.

[Memnos]

The only character I have ever been really excited about seeing was the Zealot.

Wait... Wait... When they announced the Squigherder, I was all over that like a fat kid on a smartie.

Oh... And then the Disciple: You get to be an Assassin? Hot.

However, while I will definitely play one, I will most likely start with my Zealot as I'm afraid I may be falling victim to 'New Thing' mentality.

[Shadow_Warrior]

If I play any healer, it will be this one.

[Baradun]

A mele healer... the Warrior priest and the Disciple.. with a minor acception of the Zealot.. they all sound like a Paladin and Shadow Knight (zealot being somewhere inbetween the two)... both being wattered down versions of prime healers, the Shaman, Archmage and the Rhune priest.

[ravn0s]

I will definately have one as an alt. :)

Hell, I will probably have an alt of every class.

[Lord Tareq]

Too bad a Disciple would eat you.

You are a tank that relies on Dodge/parries

Spells cannot be dodged/parried

Tanks=tank not DPS leave that job to the RDPS

You are not a Greenskin/Dwarf with highly resistant skin.

Too bad you won't be able to out-DPS the Druchii Disciples.


/rank off

I will have one as an alt. I AM AN ALTO-HOLIC.

Nice to see you have so much insight in how class balance will work out :rolleyes:

I'm quite positive any offensive tank will be able to out-dps a support/healer class.

[Slash]

I'm quite positive any offensive tank will be able to out-dps a support/healer class.

Agreed.

(Ten Characters)

[Orock]

I'm quite positive any offensive tank will be able to out-dps a support/healer class.

Why should a tank automatically do more damage than a healer if there both specced for damage. They are BOTH support classes. You are assuming this because of the stereotype that most past mmos have projected. Please tell me one rational reason that tank classes built for damage should out perform heal support characters built for damage 100 precent of the time like you are suggesting. There damage should be comparable. Now should either of these characters out perform a dps character, thats probably not right. However they should be comparable to a dps character that specces for utility and survival.

[Slash]

Why should a tank automatically do more damage than a healer if there both specced for damage. They are BOTH support classes. You are assuming this because of the stereotype that most past mmos have projected. Please tell me one rational reason that tank classes built for damage should out perform heal support characters built for damage 100 precent of the time like you are suggesting. There damage should be comparable. Now should either of these characters out perform a dps character, thats probably not right. However they should be comparable to a dps character that specces for utility and survival.

Merely speculation at this stage. We can argue all we like about why we think it will be one way or another, but there is no way to be completely sure; unless your in beta (in that case keep your mouth tightly sealed please :p). I suppose we will just have to wait and see though won't we.

EDIT: I will give an example/logical reason as to why I think Tanks > Healer/Support, DPS wise. A tank wants attention, and if they are doing the worst dps out of everybody it would give their opposition less incentive to attack them over somebody else. While a healer would prefer somebody not to notice them. Would you like your tank to be targeted over you even if they do slightly more damage?

I agree with the fact the difference won't be dramatically out of proportion. However imo, the tanks will do more.

Do I win cookies for giving one rational reason :-o?

[Orock]

Ah but tanks CAN provide other assistance besides weak dps. In this game they can taunt enemies reducing there damage to others by 30 precent. Most have buffs that contribute to the party, and far more interupts/disorients for them. And really preventing 30 precent damage is almost as clutch as healing 30 precent of the damage. Also there is the meatshield blocking tactic, as there is collision detection. I would agree they should do more damage if this was a weaksauce no creativity game like WoW where dps tanks were pretty much the sum of there epics/swords, but here they have other uses even if specced for wtfown damage.

[Zeldias]

As I understand it, the rough chain in mitigation is Tank > Melee Healer > Ranged/Close Combat Healer and Melee DPS > Ranged DPS. If a Healer has that much armor AND can heal as well as buff/debuff, it seems logical that the Tank would have a little more DPS, or at least the option to produce more burst by using a two handed weapon.

I think that chain of mitigation will be somewhat malleable (as in a Witch Hunter might have more mitigation than a Witch Elf) but overall, I'm pretty sure that's the mitigation hierarchy. It'd be insane to let something with the second highest mitigation like the Disciple also have high DPS. I'm sure it won't be pathetic DPS, but I wouldn't be blown out of the water if a tank going all out could quickly surpass my damage since I have heals. Especially since the Disciples heals will be stuff like Lifetaps.

Honestly, as long as I can kill at a reasonable rate and have a good amount of utility, I'll be satisfied. Only healer I've ever played for all the years I've played MMOs was an Enhancement Shaman in WoW, and if I can get my disciple to be sort of in his vein, I'll be satisfied.

[Kellaris]

Ah but tanks CAN provide other assistance besides weak dps. In this game they can taunt enemies reducing there damage to others by 30 precent. Most have buffs that contribute to the party, and far more interupts/disorients for them. And really preventing 30 precent damage is almost as clutch as healing 30 precent of the damage. Also there is the meatshield blocking tactic, as there is collision detection. I would agree they should do more damage if this was a weaksauce no creativity game like WoW where dps tanks were pretty much the sum of there epics/swords, but here they have other uses even if specced for wtfown damage.

Agreed and:
I remember that IB has some AoE attacks, and I suspect Swordmaster and BG will have it too. Tanks are designed as group fight specialists (archetype podcast), so I suspect they might be goo matched with supporters in 1/1 situation. I remember one good writeup from convention with shaman beating IB in 1/1, so it is possible (of course we know nothing about skill of fighters, but if victory depends on skill, then classes are even).

[Slash]

Ah but tanks CAN provide other assistance besides weak dps. In this game they can taunt enemies reducing there damage to others by 30 precent. Most have buffs that contribute to the party, and far more interupts/disorients for them. And really preventing 30 precent damage is almost as clutch as healing 30 precent of the damage. Also there is the meatshield blocking tactic, as there is collision detection. I would agree they should do more damage if this was a weaksauce no creativity game like WoW where dps tanks were pretty much the sum of there epics/swords, but here they have other uses even if specced for wtfown damage.

And Healer/Support don't have a myriad of abilities that support in additional ways than dps and healing? Shaman Eeek, Zeaolt debuffs, Runepriests buffs etc. And in addition to the obvious healing abilities, debuffs, buffs, knockdowns/backs etc, most healers we have seen thus fare have excellent survivability. While your points are quite vaild, I still disagree with your line of thought.

Also notice how I italics less in my other post. I did not insinuate that DPS would be the only method of assistance

[Hildegard]

Count me as another person who was drifting a bit in class choice until this was unveiled, at which point I thought, "YES! There it is, that's my main." The class mechanics, the RP opportunities, the overall look, plus the ability to heal AND fight...oh, baby, Momma's home!

I've played healer-types in a number of games, from clerics to clothies, and the Disciple looks like a fabulous alternative to the "heal and bash" of a cleric-type and the squishiness of a cloth priest. Kind of reminds me of the Friar in DAoC, although I hope that the heals will be better with a Disciple and the melee more wicked, given the blades aspect. The fact that one MUST engage in melee in order to heal well is intriguing, and while I think many will start rolling this class because of how cool they look, Mythic doesn't make cakewalk classes like WoW's warlock--there will be a great deal of attrition.

As for the lore folks, I'm reminded of when the Fellowship of the Rings was being released for the first time in theaters. Tolkien buffs were battling right and left over it--did it suck? Was it awesome? But it changed things! Peter Jackson = blasphemer!! Where was Tom Bombadil? What was Arwen doing with a sword? OMG!

In the end, it was/is a fantastic movie that is not exactly like the book, which is also fantastic. I have to think that this game will be the same way.

[Khane_]

My main will be a Disciple.


I love healing and want to be able to do a bit of DPS. There :D

[Xxpect]

I don't give a rat's buttocks about the lore. I haven't decided on a main yet, but the DoK looks like a lot of fun and is definitely one of my top picks for my main.

[Erean]

Disciple wont likely be my main, but I want to pair my full time healer Zealot with DPS/Off-Healer alt. Disciple would fit that nicely, especially as it might be the only way I could experience melee dps.

I dont particularly enjoy straight dpsing, and while casters can be interesting for short periods every now and then I just cant seem to keep playing melee dps for long. Healing whenever I'm not in the mood solves that perfectly :D

[ShadõwKnight]

Disciple ALL way!! Can't Wait!!:-P

[Ethandril]

I will play a Disciple, if it's gonna be my main, I don't know at the moment, since we dont
have much informations about it, but it's the most appealing class for me (and the Chosen).

I loved to play a Dark Elf Cleric in EQ1 (oh my god, thats long ago....), and I always wanted
to fight more and not just sitting back and heal. In WAR every support class has to fight,
in one way or another, so lets see how the Disciple works and than I decide if the Disciple
will be my main character in WAR.

[Creazil]

I plan on rolling a Disciple and a Marauder to begin with. Marauder because I have been interested in them ever since the picture with the crabsaw arm was shown, and it's more inline with most of my mmo experience.

Disciple because I have been drawn the kind of more then just healer style of healers the game has put forth and want to try to see how it plays out in execution. Heals at knifepoint... sounds at the least interesting

[dumgar rotteef]

I am going Black Orc for my main but so far my favorite sounding healer type is definitely a Disciple. So my first alt has now been chosen.:D

I just love the way support classes are shaping up in this game. Just the draw of melee oriented healer is amazing to me. I have always played mainly melee dps classes in other games and WAR just gives me more incentive to try something new and not get bored with being purely offensive big number maker etc. But all in all Disciple just seems like a bad- class and fun way to try out support healing. :eek:

[Scerce]

I'm so conflicted. :(

I've already sworn my main will be a Destruction-faction healer.

While greenskins are pretty nifty, there's no way I could handle being a gobbo for the long haul. So it comes down to two choices, neither of which is satisfactory.

I love Chaos, and humans are fine and dandy. But the armor worn by zealots is severely lacking, if concept art is to be believed. Like the shamans' gear, it's mostly scraps and stitches.

I love ornate armor, and the disciples certainly have that. But I hate elves with a passion. The only thing I hate more than elves are sexy vampires, but even so, the two are pretty close in terms of the vomit they induce.

Maybe I'll roll a die or something to choose between a disciple and a zealot.

[Speeder]

Debuffer - check
Melee - check
Sick look -check

Im sold. Bye bye marauder