Shrug it Off/ Grimnirs Fury

[mashpotatoe]

Both of these spells are found 13 points up in a Shaman/ Rune Priest Mastery tree respectively.

Shrug It Off

Grimnir's Fury

Now both have the exact same effects, but the Shaman version is Instant cast (I originally though it was 2 second but WARDB says instant) whilst the rune Priest version has a whopping 5 second cast time!?
Whats with that?
In my opinion this is a bit uneven, especailly seeing as its near impossible to be within 30feet of fallen group members (Not allies, only dead group members) and be able to do a 5 sec cast with enemies hitting you...

The fact that it is on a 3 min coolown and 13 points up in the mastery tree suggest that it should be a very influential spell, and while the Shamans is just "meh"the Rune Priest version is not even worth purchasing.

It really hurts the Area of Effect Rune Priest tree seeing as WP already do group healing much better and other trees offer a 3 second damage stun (on a 20 sec cooldown) or a 2500 health dot drain 9 (on 30 sec coold down) 13 points up in their mastery tress..

[KatzenKratzen]

well never noticed that but this ability is totally useless on practice in pvp situation... :-\ It has to be a big coincidence that your group mates die in radius of 30 ft. Well maybe making it an instarez will fix it :)

[Ayamo]

Its like WP's having aoe detaunt and doks not having it:rolleyes: Even tho it might seem small its what makes 1 a perfect healer and the other a bit worse.

5 second vs instant is quite absurd 2 tho: < Anyone can confirm it?

[Garthilk]

Great post.

I hope the developers balance this one out. Frankly the 5 second cast time is a bit rough honestly.

[Ayamo]

Great post.

I hope the developers balance this one out. Frankly the 5 second cast time is a bit rough honestly.


Our single target rezzes are 6 seconds:p

[Litholen]

Our single target rezzes are 6 seconds:p
Same here, until the T4 tactic ;)

Actually, since this ability comes from the AMs mirror, rather than the Zealot, I looked into the Zealot to see if they were lumbered with Magical Infusion. Alas, no :(

-L

[Rozerick]

Its like WP's having aoe detaunt and doks not having it:rolleyes: Even tho it might seem small its what makes 1 a perfect healer and the other a bit worse.

5 second vs instant is quite absurd 2 tho: < Anyone can confirm it?

It's only aoe if we slot a tactic.

WP's would love to have the DoK aoe knock down also, seeing as a crappy slow is litteraly our only CC. Can't always have what we want though, /shrug.

As for the powers in the OP, I'm not sure if it's really an instant cast, but who actually uses those powers? Seems too situational.

[mashpotatoe]

Our single target rezzes are 6 seconds:p

But that 6 sec rez ifs 100 foot range, 10 sec cooldown and a core ability, you don't have to spec for it. Grimnirs Fury/ Shurg it off however is 30 foot range, 3 min cooldown and 13 points up in a mastery tree...

This is even worse considering the RP gets a core 3 sec rez, which further makes this spell useless.

If I remember correctly, in Beta Shrug it off was a single target buff that pooled all the damage the target took in ten seconds and ehaled the group for it.. Perhaps making both spells like that would be nice, seeing as there is already a rank4 moral with the exact same thing.

[Ayamo]

But that 6 sec rez ifs 100 foot range, 10 sec cooldown and a core ability, you don't have to spec for it. Grimnirs Fury/ Shurg it off however is 30 foot range, 3 min cooldown and 13 points up in a mastery tree...



Different powers, different purposes, you should take my previous post a bit lightly;)


Keep in mind that 1 of em is great for sc's, and the other great for keep sieges.

[KatzenKratzen]

Just a thought - isn't Shrug It Off made instant by Gork/Mork mechanic?

[Arianell]

Just a thought - isn't Shrug It Off made instant by Gork/Mork mechanic?

Indeed. RP and Sham work off of different mechanics.

But it does bring up a very interested point, since these two skills were designed to be mirrors.

Furthermore, Roz I heart you, but...

It's only aoe if we slot a tactic.

WP's would love to have the DoK aoe knock down also, seeing as a crappy slow is litteraly our only CC. Can't always have what we want though, /shrug.

As for the powers in the OP, I'm not sure if it's really an instant cast, but who actually uses those powers? Seems too situational.


DoKs don't have a DIRECT AoE detaunt, like their mirrors supposedly do, but we do get a tactic called Subtlety, which is pretty handy in PvE. However useful it is, though, is to be seen.

And also, are you talking about Universal Confusion? 5s AoE Stun, rank 2 Morale. :) Most of the time when I use it, my targets are Immune because of spammers.

[Ayamo]

Indeed. RP and Sham work off of different mechanics.



DoKs don't have a DIRECT AoE detaunt, like their mirrors supposedly do, but we do get a tactic called Subtlety (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=588), which is pretty handy in PvE. However useful it is, though, is to be seen.

Subtelity is useless imo: < But maybe its cause I'm not farming 40 dungeons yet, and most balance is based on pvp: >


And also, are you talking about Universal Confusion (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9606)? 5s AoE Stun, rank 2 Morale. :) Most of the time when I use it, my targets are Immune because of spammers.

The problem is, that its bugged I think, yes, you are right about immune, and I'm pretty much sure more people face this, however, sometimes people bash on me even when not immune.

Edit: he was talking about the lvl 40 knockback: >

[Rozerick]

DoKs don't have a DIRECT AoE detaunt, like their mirrors supposedly do, but we do get a tactic called Subtlety (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=588), which is pretty handy in PvE. However useful it is, though, is to be seen.

And also, are you talking about Universal Confusion (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9606)? 5s AoE Stun, rank 2 Morale. :) Most of the time hen I use it, my targets are Immune because of spammers

I know, I was saying that WP's need to use a tactic slot to make intimidating shout AoE.

Yes, I was referring to the rank 2 morale AoE knock down, which DoK's use all the time, and I get knocked down all the time because of it. It's all about your personal perspective I guess. It's not game-breaking or anything, I was just pointing out that DoK's have goodies that WP's don't have, and vice versa.

Edit: Both WP's/DoK's level 40 AoE knock back is pointless, it literally never works.

[Ayamo]

I know, I was saying that WP's need to use a tactic slot to make intimidating shout AoE.




Which is a problem how?

I'm forced to use useless tactics atm cause the amount of good healing tacts doks get is.....zero? Outside of khaine bounty.

[Rozerick]

Which is a problem how?

I'm forced to use useless tactics atm cause the amount of good healing tacts doks get is.....zero? Outside of khaine bounty.

Well, we have a lot of tactics, and only 4 slots, not every WP uses the intimidating shout AoE tactic.

We have better healing, you have better burst DPS, both classes still do fine in both.

[Ayamo]

Well, we have a lot of tactics, and only 4 slots, not every WP uses the intimidating shout AoE tactic.

We have better healing, you have better burst DPS, both classes still do fine in both.

Can't agree more, but the tactics HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT.

Its not a matter of bein better/worse than a WP, even tho WP's are slighty superior in my eyes it aint gamebreaking, and it doesn't make a dok bad either, but the tactics we get for healing are absolutely worthless:)

[Rozerick]

A lot of the classes need their tactics reworked, I'm having a hard time finding useful ones on my Shaman at the moment.

We are derailing this thread. I just wanted to say that Arianell doesn't really heart me, it's all lies.

As for the that Shaman rez, I'll go check how long the cast is, it might only say instant cast because if you get enough Waaaagh it can be.

[Ayamo]

A lot of the classes need their tactics reworked, I'm having a hard time finding useful ones on my Shaman at the moment.

We are derailing this thread. I just wanted to say that Arianell doesn't really heart me, it's all lies.

As for the that Shaman rez, I'll go check how long the cast is, it might only say instant cast because if you get enough Waaaagh it can be.

Noticed it when rolling a shaman myself 2: <


But agree, back ontopic.

[Rozerick]

It's a 2 second cast with a 3 minute cooldown.

[war0104]

Both of these spells are found 13 points up in a Shaman/ Rune Priest Mastery tree respectively.

Shrug It Off (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1928)

Grimnir's Fury (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1619)

Now both have the exact same effects, but the Shaman version is Instant cast (I originally though it was 2 second but WARDB says instant) whilst the rune Priest version has a whopping 5 second cast time!?
Whats with that?
In my opinion this is a bit uneven, especailly seeing as its near impossible to be within 30feet of fallen group members (Not allies, only dead group members) and be able to do a 5 sec cast with enemies hitting you...

The fact that it is on a 3 min coolown and 13 points up in the mastery tree suggest that it should be a very influential spell, and while the Shamans is just "meh"the Rune Priest version is not even worth purchasing.

It really hurts the Area of Effect Rune Priest tree seeing as WP already do group healing much better and other trees offer a 3 second damage stun (on a 20 sec cooldown) or a 2500 health dot drain 9 (on 30 sec coold down) 13 points up in their mastery tress..


This skill is hated on both sides. I have a shaman and RP 40 but I don't have it on either of them now.

Well, I used to back when shrug it off was broken so that it didn't have a working cooldown and was spammable with datt makes me dizzy(insta rez tactic) in the beginning of the game took a while to fix it. So I'd spam it during a dungeon run. People die? I wouldn't care because they all get to pop up instantly lol. Then they fixed it, was funny while it lasted though(was not appreciated in pvp though...)

If the PTS forums were any indication both classes have absolutely no love for this skill, if the massive get rid of this/change this posts were any indication. Not like anything was done about it.

On the bright side look at on your feet. Whenever grimnir's fury makes me sad I look at that tactic to cheer me up.

[mashpotatoe]

On the bright side look at on your feet. Whenever grimnir's fury makes me sad I look at that tactic to cheer me up.

Oh yes lol :D What is it again? A whopping 48 health over 5 seconds and an extra 70 ap to the people you rez!? Undoubtly the best tatic of the RP, in fact its a bit over powered if you ask me- should be nerfed. its not as if the average player has 6k health and this heals for 50 , which is equal to approxiametly .08% of their total health! OMG !

/saracsm

*edit, just thought I would add the tatic in so everyone can LOL at it:

On Your Feet!

[Nizaris]

It use to be instant with the instant rez tactic on, but they fixed that.

I don't see any reason those 2 spells should be exactly the same for both realm. 50% of the spells aren't perfect mirrors ? Otherwise why does Hand of Ruin (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=9505) not have a snare effect like Withering Heat (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=8185). Or why Boiling Blood (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=8165)have a corp debuff while the sorc has no corp debuff. and the list goes on and on. like it or not that's how they designed the game.

Doesn't change the fact that this spell is bugged and useless in 99% of the situations. I just hope they delete it completly someday and give us something usefull.

[Grung]

Blessing of Grungni is the only core T4 tactic the RP has that

a) Works as intended
b) Is useful.

Although the day sundered motion starts working like advertised, I will finally have a anti-melee tool, short of a cauldron using WE (completely fair though).

I think the AoE rez should be seen in light of pre-realease when resurrection sickness was -25% to all stats or something like that. If that still existed, it certain would be viable to use them.

[Litholen]

*edit, just thought I would add the tatic in so everyone can LOL at it:

On Your Feet! (http://www.wardb.com/spell.aspx?id=1627)
Did I mention that Desperation affects rezzes?

There, there. Look on the bright side - your one gives them a whole 70 AP! ;)

-L