Wow... that wacky hat.

[Lehosh]

Do we know with any certainty if there is an option to turn of head pieces for armor in WAR?

I ask because, though most of the concept art for the sorceress is pretty awesome, the higher tiers are wearing that wacky- hat. Seriously, the hat is humongous and there's no way I'd want to be going around in that thing. It's like wearing a huge rainbow sombrero at a Mexican restaurant on your birthday or something. On top of being oddly shaped, it's just so big that it makes the person look seriously top-heavy... Maybe if the shoulderpads and the gown were also humongous to make the sorc look like Nagash or something. As it is though, the hat they're wearing is silly.

[Peemja]

I often hear/see(:p) on this forum that mythic has WYSIWYG, wich I find quite sad.
Everything about the sorceros looks awsome, except those huge, butt ugly helmets >_>

[Lord Tareq]

Its rather contrasting. In some earlier interview they said you could turn helmets off because faces are important in roleplaying games. In another they said they are going for WYSIWYG, thus if you wear a helmet you show a helmet.
Hopefully its possible to turn them off, as this promotes some more diversity and less "clones".

ps. I hate the higher tier helmets of the sorceresses/sorcerers

[Anglakhel]

I'm not a big fan of the giant hats, but they are very much in line with the Sorcer/ess images from the existing game background.

I didn't like DE units in the 4th/5th Ed cause they all had those terrible triangles on their headgear. I like the direction the art has moved, but the Sorcerer/ess headgear is pretty extreme.

[Jinsei]

They're pretty true to the models and some of them look cool. The overblown ones are a bit of an eyesore though...If they were scaled down just a bit they would look awesome.

[LastHeretic]

there'll be an option i'm sure of it.
forcing hats on your char constricts variety so i'm guessing (with the every1 is different approach they're taking) that there'll be an option.

[Exion]

The size of the hat puts the Witch Hunters' hat to shame,but the WH hat looks cool. They overdid the sorcerer hat and either need to make it smaller,or just change the way it looks if they decide to keep it that size.

[LastHeretic]

there'll be an option i'm sure of it.
forcing hats on your char constricts variety so i'm guessing (with the every1 is different approach they're taking) that there'll be an option.

[Azrayne2.0]

I really hope they have an option, I usually hate wearing helms on my characters in MMO's, I don't like the way they look, usually. And particularly in this case, since the sorc helms are so ridiculously overdone.

[The Penguin Hunter]

Do we know with any certainty if there is an option to turn of head pieces for armor in WAR?

I ask because, though most of the concept art for the sorceress is pretty awesome, the higher tiers are wearing that wacky- hat. Seriously, the hat is humongous and there's no way I'd want to be going around in that thing. It's like wearing a huge rainbow sombrero at a Mexican restaurant on your birthday or something. On top of being oddly shaped, it's just so big that it makes the person look seriously top-heavy... Maybe if the shoulderpads and the gown were also humongous to make the sorc look like Nagash or something. As it is though, the hat they're wearing is silly.


Ok to let you know, yes there will be that option it's basicaly a requierment for MMO's now, also why would you want to turn it off, it's awsome, definitly brings out the Dark Elfishness

[Krulltak]

To sum things up, WYSIWYG, and as (to the best of my knowledge) confirmed by Mythic, you cannot "turn off" the visibility of equipment, only take it off and thus lose it's benefits.

And the hat is awesome. Puts the silly Witch Hunter capotain to shame. Plus, it's big and spikey like the helmet of Khaine. That style of headgear is as iconic to Druchii in the very same manner that effigies of Gork and Mork are iconic to Greenskin architecture and design.

[Lehosh]

Ok to let you know, yes there will be that option it's basicaly a requierment for MMO's now, also why would you want to turn it off,

Because it looks like a giant tree on her head dangling with Christmas ornaments...

And the hat is awesome. Puts the silly Witch Hunter capotain to shame. Plus, it's big and spikey like the helmet of Khaine.

Except that Khaine's hat doesn't look like it's going to tip him over because it's so humongous. His hat is big, do get me wrong, but it isn't cartoonishly huge compared to the rest of his body and costume.

The sorceress is a slender little thing that's practically naked, but with this giant honkin' hat perched on top of her little head.

[Zzulu]

I like the hat. It reeks of decadence, confidence and might, and that is a good thing <3

[Mortissia]

I remember in DAoC nobody (hyperbole alert) played an Avolonian because they stood out as targets in RvR. I could see that same argument with a big- hat on a soft-serve class. Of course WAR has destinctive looks for each class so that argument might be moot.

[Zether]

(WYSIWYG) what does this mean?

[Petit-Trot]

what you see is what you get

[Lucrece]

(WYSIWYG) what does this mean?


I would venture to guess that it might mean "What you see is what you get."

EDIT: Someone beat me to it, but at least I get the comfort of seeing my guess be correct ;p.

[Kharlene]

To sum things up, WYSIWYG, and as (to the best of my knowledge) confirmed by Mythic, you cannot "turn off" the visibility of equipment, only take it off and thus lose it's benefits.

And the hat is awesome. Puts the silly Witch Hunter capotain to shame. Plus, it's big and spikey like the helmet of Khaine. That style of headgear is as iconic to Druchii in the very same manner that effigies of Gork and Mork are iconic to Greenskin architecture and design.

Actually you can, I think it's well over a year ago now, they long stated that you will be able to "turn off" various pieces of your armor. Your helm and shoulder pieces were among the first things they mentioned you would be able to do so.

[Lucrece]

I think people are failing to see that what makes DE clothing iconic is its dramatic flair. DE's overdo everything. From their swords, to their spears, to their pets and mounts, they like to call attention to themselves. It fits their narcissistic personalities.

[checkthis5000]

I think people are failing to see that what makes DE clothing iconic is its dramatic flair. DE's overdo everything. From their swords, to their spears, to their pets and mounts, they like to call attention to themselves. It fits their narcissistic personalities.

I agree with this. Those hats are pretty much exactly what I expected from the DE Sorcerer/ess.

I mean look at this:

Huge Helmet on the right (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/catalog/sorceress.htm)

Huge Helmet on the left (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/catalog/cauldron_blood.htm)

Huge Helmet on a Black Pegasus (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/catalog/morathi.htm)

Huge Helmet on the Witch King (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/catalog/malekith.htm)

[Athenys]

While I don't hate the helmet design it really should be smaller for practical reasons considering it's not ceremonial gear. One need only look at the heavy materials it appears to be made from to get an idea of how ridiculously cumbersome it would be on a pencil-necked elf. Just imagine Malekith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M32wTjksZs

:roll:

[checkthis5000]

While I don't hate the helmet design it really should be smaller for practical reasons considering it's not ceremonial gear. One need only look at the heavy materials it appears to be made from to get an idea of how ridiculously cumbersome it would be on a pencil-necked elf. Just imagine Malekith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M32wTjksZs

:roll:

Malekith isn't a Sorcerer, so his would be quite different. :p

[Athenys]

Malekith has a HUGE helmet-hat with big honking ANTLERS. Last time I checked he was a militant sorcerer, the greatest in all of Naggaroth. That explains why he is called the Witch King ;).

[Frein]

I agree that they seem too large on more realistic characters than the TT models. I mean, they look plain dangerous. They're of metal, so they must weigh a ton, so if you move your head a little too fast you risk snapping your neck.

[Xilbalba]

Sexy Large Helmets compensating for something?? :o

[Jinsei]

Druchii have the strongest necks in all of Warhammer.

[Accipiter]

I like distinctively dressed classes but the Sorcerer hats are just ugly. And while ugly is good on a goblin, an elf should have an aesthetic appeal.

I think I'll have to pass on an elf class that wears a silly hat.

[Estebar]

I really like them. I think they symbolise the megalomania that every Sorceror and Sorceress must possess to succeed in wielding dark magic. They're sort of like ultra-crowns. Very regal. Very "Lord-High Emperor of the Universe" which is just how every practitioner of the dark arts sees themselves. They also remind me of decadent Chinese courts from ancient mythology, where the dress was excessively elaborate and the headgear was high and well-ornamented.

Design-wise of course, they needed to give the higher-tiered Witch Elves and Sorceresses some distinction from one another aside from the weapons they carried. The tall witch-helm allows this to happen, and the Sorceress gets to remain practically nude.

Remember also that Elven metals are much lighter than those used by other races. Their blades, armour, shields, helms etc are all considerable lighter than those used by humans, as it suits their agility to be able to maneuvre as much as possible.

[Baradun]

Didnt you hear? the hats where they keep their magic cookies, without it where would they draw their awesome dark cookie magic from!:rolleyes:

Dont much like the Dwarf helms, hammerers are ok with their iconic wings but the horns look a little silly.

[Athenys]

They're sort of like ultra-crowns. Very regal. Very "Lord-High Emperor of the Universe" which is just how every practitioner of the dark arts sees themselves. They also remind me of decadent Chinese courts from ancient mythology, where the dress was excessively elaborate and the headgear was high and well-ornamented.


You are forgetting something very important: These people aren't at court, hence my previous comment about 'ceremonial dress'. They are running around on the battlefield and their gear should be designed accordingly. This means lighter headgear along with more practical overall attire. Practical doesn't mean it's not stylish ;)...


Design-wise of course, they needed to give the higher-tiered Witch Elves and Sorceresses some distinction from one another aside from the weapons they carried.

All of which can be done with elaborate variations of both hair and helm ornamentations/styles. These don't need to be oversized to create a distinct look.

The tall witch-helm allows this to happen, and the Sorceress gets to remain practically nude.

What? The Sorceress gets more cover as she levels, that much is obvious from the Concept Art. Not to mention that turning everything off but the helmet would look bad. You need an ornate costume just to visually offset that damn thing. Just because it looks ok on the TT minis doesn't mean it translates well into a realistic model.

Remember also that Elven metals are much lighter than those used by other races. Their blades, armour, shields, helms etc are all considerable lighter than those used by humans, as it suits their agility to be able to maneuvre as much as possible.

You are confusing HE with DE. Ithilmar is by no means common and HE have a lot more of it. Based on the fluff DE make use of more mundane metals for the most part like brass, bronze and silvered/blackened steel. Such metals and alloys are still heavier than Ithilmar.

[Estebar]

You are forgetting something very important: These people aren't at court, hence my previous comment about 'ceremonial dress'. They are running around on the battlefield and their gear should be designed accordingly. This means lighter headgear along with more practical overall attire. Practical doesn't mean it's not stylish ;)... But they're not running around on the battlefield. They're Sorcerors and Sorceresses. They're conducting diabolical ceremonies which summon daemonic powers, unravel reality and tear all that is good and pure asunder with magic. Priests dress ceremoniously, as do wizards, because their role on the battlefield is a ceremonious one, based on ritual practice. Sorcerors are the same. They serve a role which has both a mystical and a clerical feel to it.

All of which can be done with elaborate variations of both hair and helm ornamentations/styles. These don't need to be oversized to create a distinct look. Witch Elves already have a variety of hair-styles. I was thinking that the most practical definition would've been letting the Brides of Khaine wear their hair down, and have all Sorceresses bind their hair up, but then they released a ponytail Bride (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/DarkElves/Careers/images/WElfie_0907_05.jpg) who burst that particular bubble for me. Differences in styles of hair and helm aren't going to make a clear enough definition between a Witch Elf and a Sorceress. Your average no-brainer MMO-gamer will establish them as pale, dark-haired naked Elf goth chicks and nothing more, so the more obvious the differences are between them from a distance, the better.

You can also see that Witch Elves are wearing helms of a more practical size that I imagine you approve of. This is obviously because they're the ones who have to run around on the battlefield, rushing into battle and twirling about in a frenzy. Sorceresses are content to stand back and let the dark energies they harness do all the work for them. They don't need to dress practically. They're married to the Witch King. When you're a Bride of Malekith, it's best to show it off as best you can.

What? The Sorceress gets more cover as she levels, that much is obvious from the Concept Art. Not to mention that turning everything off but the helmet would look bad. You need an ornate costume just to visually offset that damn thing. Just because it looks ok on the TT minis doesn't mean it translates well into a realistic model. Hmmm... Well, yes, she does look comparitively covered-up next to her Tier 1 equivalent (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/socc_07.jpg), but she's not exactly covered up, is she? (http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/socc_11.jpg) You can still see her bare throat, breasts, ribs, stomach and thighs, just as you can in the Tier 1 picture. It's just that the areas that were covered-up in Tier 1 have become more elaborately covered-up in Tier 4, leaving the saucy areas still uncovered. You're still gonna look at the Tier 4 Sorceress and wonder how she manages to keep her nipples covered while she's waving her arms about in the air. She's still semi-nude despite the ornate costume.

The point I was making was that originally, Xurré and I agreed that the best way to make a clear definition between the Sorceresses and the Witch Elves was to wrap the Sorceresses up in ceremonial clothing and not have them be quite as nude as the Witch Elves. Seeing as Mythic has decided to keep the naked Sorceress imagery going strong, bra & lioncloth etc, the tall helm - impractical for close-combat, ornate and ceremonious - is a clear marker of the Sorceror and Sorceress.

And I like it. :-P

EDIT: Besides, tall, impractical helms has been a tradition among Sorcerors for years! Check out THIS GUY! (http://www.collecting-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Image:DECA-28.jpg)

[Athenys]

But they're not running around on the battlefield.

If you play as a sorcerer you definitely will be running around in one :p...

They're Sorcerers and Sorceresses. They're conducting diabolical ceremonies which summon daemonic powers, unravel reality and tear all that is good and pure asunder with magic...

When they do greater rituals in conjunction with other sorcerers in some keep they may dress differently. In the presence of a Drachau or Malekith himself, at a banquet etc. you can get as fancy as you like. Typical sorceresses work almost exclusively from afar, but that's certainly not what we will be playing. We will be playing militant DE sorcerers. When you have a bunch of irate Swordmasters coming right at you you cast and then distance yourself ASAP. The last thing you need is anything extra weighing you down, falling off of your head or getting in the way. Not to mention it would make you a most excellent moving target for their Shadow Warrior buddies :rolleyes:.

Hmmm... Well, yes, she does look comparitively covered-up next to her Tier 1 equivalent, but she's not exactly covered up, is she? You can still see her bare throat, breasts, ribs, stomach and thighs, just as you can in the Tier 1 picture. It's just that the areas that were covered-up in Tier 1 have become more elaborately covered-up in Tier 4, leaving the saucy areas still uncovered. You're still gonna look at the Tier 4 Sorceress and wonder how she manages to keep her nipples covered while she's waving her arms about in the air. She's still semi-nude despite the ornate costume.

She is slightly more covered up with the heavier ornamentation balancing out the hat a bit better. She's still too exposed, the headgear is still much too big and I don't think those razor edged wires cutting into the skin make any sense from a fluff standpoint. That kind of self-punishment is far more in line with the fanaticism of both WE and DoK.

I made some modifications to the Tier 4 sorceress to give you an idea of what I mean:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/FSREDOT4.jpg

Hat is still there. It's a good size, without going to ridiculous extremes.

EDIT: Besides, tall, impractical helms has been a tradition among Sorcerors for years! Check out THIS GUY!

Once that was modeled realistically and animated, it too, would NOT work...

[abr4]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/FSREDOT4.jpg

Hat is still there. It's a good size, without going to ridiculous extremes.

Waaaaaay better. I love it.

Ever talked to some Mythic guys? I'd want them to hire you.

Although I'd still like less stomach and more boobs :P

[Lemures]

The massive crowns fit them... just how they are. I'm sure there will be an option, but I'd bet most people will leave them on.

[Lemures]

Waaaaaay better. I love it.

Ever talked to some Mythic guys? I'd want them to hire you.

Although I'd still like less stomach and more boobs :P

More leg... : O)

[Zzulu]

they are supposed to have huge headwear

that's just how it is.

[Estebar]

We will be playing militant DE sorcerers. When you have a bunch of irate Swordmasters coming right at you you cast and then distance yourself ASAP. The last thing you need is anything extra weighing you down, falling off of your head or getting in the way. Not to mention it would make you a most excellent moving target for their Shadow Warrior buddies :rolleyes:. This is the third time this week that I've read a post where someone has suggested implementing realism and practicality into a fantasy setting. :rolleyes:

If we're going by what is and isn't appropriate on the battlefield, Disciples should take those silly half-masks off because they're at risk of limiting their side-on vision in battle. Witch Elves should keep their excessively long hair tied up because they're at risk of getting pulled back onto a blade from behind. This (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/DarkElves/Careers/images/WElfie_0907_06.jpg) Witch Elf is at risk of impaling herself whenever she crouches or ducks. The Black Guard is a hazard to just about anyone, including himself, with all those spikes. The list goes on. Practicality has no place in a fantasy setting, particularly with regards to Elves who have leanings towards excessive aesthetics?

Plus, surely all that black/purple/green magic swirling around the Sorceress is enough of a marker for Shadow Warriors whether there's a large helm on her head or not?

I don't think those razor edged wires cutting into the skin make any sense from a fluff standpoint. That kind of self-punishment is far more in line with the fanaticism of both WE and DoK. Don't knock the wires! I like them! Why shouldn't they fit in with the lore? Any Dark Elf could potentially have sado-masochistic tendencies, especially those married to the Witch King! Plus, any pain, suffering and bloodshed attracts dark magic and lesser daemonic spirits. The Sorceress is simply luring in some extra fuel for her spells.

I made some modifications to the Tier 4 sorceress to give you an idea of what I mean:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/FSREDOT4.jpg

Hat is still there. It's a good size, without going to ridiculous extremes. ...but now it's completely at odds with the rest of her costume. The shoulderpads seem much more prominent which is unsuitable for a female character, and the skull on top is now inferior to the other larger skulls which decorate her waist. This is a Tier 4 costume. At this point, she has to look like she could rule the universe. You've just reduced her by 1-2 tiers. Now, she looks more like a sneaky royal advisor.

Personally, I'm thinking the helm will look better if the size was kept the same, but the top part of the hat was tilted back on the head a little. I imagine they've let it stick up like that to allow people to see as much of the design as they can on a one-dimensional pasted-on design.