Male version of witch elf.

[sunjenkwei]

The developers should make a male dark elf DPS. They wouldn't have to change the skills as witch elves, just change the avatar and name.

/discuss

[Balswick]

Witch Elf............................................... .................
Not Wizard Elf.....
So Witch Elf will be female only.

[Krulltak]

No.

That'd be incredibly stupid.

The Dark Elf lore has already been brutally as it is. Don't make Xurre cry anymore then she is already making hundreds of victims of circumstance cry.

Please use the search button, as this topic has been DONE TO DEATH already.



http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16997&highlight=witch

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17138&highlight=witch

[UrienRakarth]

Male version of witch elf = assassin. With skill renamed of course. Not so hard to do, but it's unlikely...

[Gemini]

Male version of witch elf = assassin. With skill renamed of course. Not so hard to do, but it's unlikely...

Only in the fact they both survived the Cauldron and like to kill things with pointy objects. They're fighting styles, look, and role in the temple and Druchii society as a whole are completely diffrent and it would further trivilaize the Witch Elfs while destroying what makes an Assassin what they are.

[twinoceans]

witch elves are called brides of Khaine and even Witch King refers to them as his brides. i dont think both Khaine and Witch King are bisexual.

[Sorceress]

The Sorceresses are the Witch King's brides, the Witch Elves are Khaine's brides.

With that much polygamy (and incest) going on that the root of their society, the notion of a bisexual Malekith doesn't surprise me.

Alas I digress, putting Assassins into the game as well as Disciples will utterly destroy any role the Witch Elves were supposed to have.

[twinoceans]

The Sorceresses are the Witch King's brides, the Witch Elves are Khaine's brides.

With that much polygamy (and incest) going on that the root of their society, the notion of a bisexual Malekith doesn't surprise me.

Alas I digress, putting Assassins into the game as well as Disciples will utterly destroy any role the Witch Elves were supposed to have.
youre right, my mistake!

[Baradun]

If you ask me if the Dark Elves advanced aristocratic war driven society hasnt evolved into giving men the right to be assasiney swash bucklingey flesh ripingey (you get where I'm going with this) mele dps dealers then they cant be all that advanced.

Your telling me after thousands of generations of beings that live a god awful long time havent put two and two together and figured out how to pick up a dagger and use it in close combat unless you've married some sad old bigamist god of murder?

If they havent added that to the lore then there isnt enough lore. How else does lore come about? it wasnt allways just there, someone had to come up with it. As vast as War appears its starting to sound like it puts stupid limitations on its self much like the Dwarfs do out of blind determination to follow the old ways.

<thumps his stein down as if to exadurate his point>

[Exion]

I'm not familiar with the lore,but going with assassins would of probably been a more popular choice,instead of the female only Witch elves (non-stealthable assassins anyways). If I want melee DPS I'll just play a Marauder.

[Sorceress]

If you ask me if the Dark Elves advanced aristocratic war driven society hasnt evolved into giving men the right to be assasiney swash bucklingey flesh ripingey (you get where I'm going with this) mele dps dealers then they cant be all that advanced.

Your telling me after thousands of generations of beings that live a god awful long time havent put two and two together and figured out how to pick up a dagger and use it in close combat unless you've married some sad old bigamist god of murder?

If they havent added that to the lore then there isnt enough lore. How else does lore come about? it wasnt allways just there, someone had to come up with it. As vast as War appears its starting to sound like it puts stupid limitations on its self much like the Dwarfs do out of blind determination to follow the old ways.

<thumps his stein down as if to exadurate his point>
They have Corsairs who could also potentially take the same role vague DPS role, but they wear Sea Dragon cloaks, light armour and generally aren't frenzied zealots of stabbing fury that the Witch Elves are.

[twinoceans]

remember that the skills and abilities in game for each career are very iconic and specific to that career. making assassin for the male version would almost mean creating aother career, even though i would love to have both witch elves and assassins playable.

[Lucrece]

The Sorceresses are the Witch King's brides, the Witch Elves are Khaine's brides.

With that much polygamy (and incest) going on that the root of their society, the notion of a bisexual Malekith doesn't surprise me.

Alas I digress, putting Assassins into the game as well as Disciples will utterly destroy any role the Witch Elves were supposed to have.

You did not just lump bisexuality with polygamy and incest, did you?

[Ralzar]

I'm not familiar with the lore,but going with assassins would of probably been a more popular choice,instead of the female only Witch elves (non-stealthable assassins anyways). If I want melee DPS I'll just play a Marauder.

But... Assassins would have been male-only.

[Sorceress]

You did not just lump bisexuality with polygamy and incest, did you?
Quite the contrary, more mocking the notion that Khaine or Malekith potentially choosing a husband would somehow be outrageous.

We know why they don't and it doesn't have anything to do with the game world.

[Lucrece]

Quite the contrary, more mocking the notion that Khaine or Malekith potentially choosing a husband would somehow be outrageous.

We know why they don't and it doesn't have anything to do with the game world.

Point taken, thanks for the clarification.

[Drakhon]

If you ask me if the Dark Elves advanced aristocratic war driven society hasnt evolved into giving men the right to be assasiney swash bucklingey flesh ripingey (you get where I'm going with this) mele dps dealers then they cant be all that advanced.

Your telling me after thousands of generations of beings that live a god awful long time havent put two and two together and figured out how to pick up a dagger and use it in close combat unless you've married some sad old bigamist god of murder?

If they havent added that to the lore then there isnt enough lore. How else does lore come about? it wasnt allways just there, someone had to come up with it. As vast as War appears its starting to sound like it puts stupid limitations on its self much like the Dwarfs do out of blind determination to follow the old ways.


You're confusing "will not be playable in WAR" with "does not exist in the lore (TT and/or WAR)".

[Ralzar]

You're confusing "will not be playable in WAR" with "does not exist in the lore (TT and/or WAR)".

Just to add to that:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/miniature-gallery/4/

[twinoceans]

If you ask me if the Dark Elves advanced aristocratic war driven society hasnt evolved into giving men the right to be assasiney swash bucklingey flesh ripingey (you get where I'm going with this) mele dps dealers then they cant be all that advanced.

Your telling me after thousands of generations of beings that live a god awful long time havent put two and two together and figured out how to pick up a dagger and use it in close combat unless you've married some sad old bigamist god of murder?

If they havent added that to the lore then there isnt enough lore. How else does lore come about? it wasnt allways just there, someone had to come up with it. As vast as War appears its starting to sound like it puts stupid limitations on its self much like the Dwarfs do out of blind determination to follow the old ways.

<thumps his stein down as if to exadurate his point>
yes, there are men who's assassy in DE society. they are called assassins. witch elves having only female is not because they haven't evolved, its because its iconic. it makes it unique in the lore. i would dare to say that witch elves are the most iconic characters in the DE society. when people think about dark elves, they think about erotic women, dressing in "bikini" armour, dancing around effortlessly and spreading death on the battle field. adding male to the witch elves just totally kill that iconic image. it would just make them another unit in the vast army of the DE.

[Kellaris]

when people think about dark elves, they think about erotic women, dressing in "bikini" armour, dancing around effortlessly and spreading death on the battle field.

If some people really think that way, I suggest them to find a girlfriend:rolleyes:.
Seriously. WE are iconic not becouse they are Dark Elves. WE are iconic becouse they wear bikini. And this is a bit unusual sight on battlefield. There are some more iconic DE units, and if You do not belive me, try to find some pools about it.
And sadly, this is my only problem with WAR so far, that they crush DE army look. 50% of DE population in this game will be bikini wearing hot babes. This is ill. And unfair. Becouse they should be only the fraction of DE population. I hoped that it will not be another L2.
Also, I totally agree with Baradun, that lorebreaking argument is much overused on this forum. Some people think that 80 pages of TT armybook can describe entire race?
For Empire we have hundreds of pages from WFRP and we can argue about lorebreaking here.
For DE, we have only a fragment of information about the race. There can be 10 different cults of Khaine in Naggaroth, and GW will describe them when they will have reason to do so. They (Mythic or GW) invented Disciple of Khaine and that's great idea. why there cannot be some Khaine monks monastery secretly founded by Lord Uthorin hundreds years ago just to serve on situation like that? Becouse they were not described in TT Armybook?... Please...

I would be much more happy to see such "lorebreaking" than to see "exotic dance" club in every DE camp.

[twinoceans]

If some people really think that way, I suggest them to find a girlfriend:rolleyes:.
Seriously. WE are iconic not becouse they are Dark Elves. WE are iconic becouse they wear bikini. And this is a bit unusual sight on battlefield. There are some more iconic DE units, and if You do not belive me, try to find some pools about it.
And sadly, this is my only problem with WAR so far, that they crush DE army look. 50% of DE population in this game will be bikini wearing hot babes. This is ill. And unfair. Becouse they should be only the fraction of DE population. I hoped that it will not be another L2.
Also, I totally agree with Baradun, that lorebreaking argument is much overused on this forum. Some people think that 80 pages of TT armybook can describe entire race?
For Empire we have hundreds of pages from WFRP and we can argue about lorebreaking here.
For DE, we have only a fragment of information about the race. There can be 10 different cults of Khaine in Naggaroth, and GW will describe them when they will have reason to do so. They (Mythic or GW) invented Disciple of Khaine and that's great idea. why there cannot be some Khaine monks monastery secretly founded by Lord Uthorin hundreds years ago just to serve on situation like that? Becouse they were not described in TT Armybook?... Please...

I would be much more happy to see such "lorebreaking" than to see "exotic dance" club in every DE camp.
who told you that i dont support a male DE dps. they can use the assassins. however, that almost mean creating a new career. i would love for the assassin to be in game, as it will give more career, more option. however, i dont want a male version of the witch elves. yes, there are many cults of Khaine, but we know for a fact that witch elves are only females.

secondly, i never said that witch elves are iconic BECAUSE they are dark elves; i said that witch elves are iconic IN the dark elves army. thats totally a 2 different things. if say
they are iconic because they wear bikini, so what, it has nothing to do with the point i'm trying to make. i wasn't trying to say anything about HOW witch elves are iconic, but that witch elves are iconic.

yes, the population of witch elves in the lore aren't that many compare to the whole DE army. but com' on now, are you kidding? there are even less warrior priests and bright wizards in the empire army; there are even less rune priests and goblin shamans in the dwarven and greenskin armies.

[Kellaris]

who told you that i dont support a male DE dps. they can use the assassins. however, that almost mean creating a new career. i would love for the assassin to be in game, as it will give more career, more option. however, i dont want a male version of the witch elves. yes, there are many cults of Khaine, but we know for a fact that witch elves are only females.

We know that indeed. I wouldn't choose tham as carrer on the first place. And there is the point that differs us. I would sacrifice WE lore for the greater good of DE army. For You WE lore is more important. I understand that and respect that, but I disagree.


secondly, i never said that witch elves are iconic BECAUSE they are dark elves; i said that witch elves are iconic IN the dark elves army. thats totally a 2 different things. if say
they are iconic because they wear bikini, so what, it has nothing to do with the point i'm trying to make. i wasn't trying to say anything about HOW witch elves are iconic, but that witch elves are iconic.

I was trying to convince You that their "iconism" is not very deep and can be easily put to sacrifice for greater good ;)



yes, the population of witch elves in the lore aren't that many compare to the whole DE army. but com' on now, are you kidding? there are even less warrior priests and bright wizards in the empire army; there are even less rune priests and goblin shamans in the dwarven and greenskin armies.

I was refering to WE and Sorceress class together. We have 2 "bikini classes" and this is at least one class too much. 25% of bikini would be acceptable. 50% is too much.

[The Penguin Hunter]

Just to add to that:

http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/miniature-gallery/4/


You missed his point, you aslo showed that you do not know where Dark Elf assassins come from.

[twinoceans]

We know that indeed. I wouldn't choose tham as carrer on the first place. And there is the point that differs us. I would sacrifice WE lore for the greater good of DE army. For You WE lore is more important. I understand that and respect that, but I disagree.


I was trying to convince You that their "iconism" is not very deep and can be easily put to sacrifice for greater good ;)
iconism is not about deep or not. its just more or less. if they are iconic because they wear bikini, so what? Slaanesh is much deeper than just sex; Nurgle's much deeper than just disease; khorne is much more than just war and spitting skulls. however, these are still the most iconic things about each gods.

maybe that the bikini factor attract sexual attention and in turn, making WE iconic to the DE army, but i think the bikini factor also makes WE iconic because of the "unatural" element. people expect to see soldiers clad in armour on the battle field, then "wait! what are those women in bikini dancing and spilling blood over there!"

i venture to say that they are the most iconic unit in the DE army, about equally to the dwarf slayers from the dwarf army. making male version of WE would just be like making Dwarf slayers to wear heavy armour. making them a male version would just despecialize the iconic look of them. beside, even if Mythic wants to add male version for WE, i can be very certain that GW would never allow this.

I was refering to WE and Sorceress class together. We have 2 "bikini classes" and this is at least one class too much. 25% of bikini would be acceptable. 50% is too much.
this, i have nothing to say, due to the fact that it is heavily opinionated. to me, i have no problem with bikini runnning around. but this is also heavily opinionated. so i agree, no point argueing this. beside, we'll have npc DE armour clad soldiers running around too, so people who's new to warhammer fantasy would mistakenly think that DE armies all wear bikini.

even you were refering to both Sorceress and WE, i think my earlier point still stands. even both of them combined, it is still not much of a lore break as warrior priests, bright wizards or rune priests. in a whole standard empire army, you'll find only one or two empire warrior priests, even less bright wizards. the same goes for rune priests .

[Kellaris]

beside, even if Mythic wants to add male version for WE, i can be very certain that GW would never allow this.

I'm quite sure You are right. But still I have a feeling the female only sexy looking class is not a best choice for DE DPS class. Especially, afrter they clearly announced that they have chosen WE, becouse she is sexy (It have been told in several Leipzig interviews). I do not like it. I understand marketing reasons of this decision, but It is sad for me that my favourite Army/race become victim of "bikini marketing"



even you were refering to both Sorceress and WE, i think my earlier point still stands. even both of them combined, it is still not much of a lore break as warrior priests, bright wizards or rune priests. in a whole standard empire army, you'll find only one or two empire warrior priests, even less bright wizards. the same goes for rune priests .
I'm not talking about the lore here. I'm talking more about the "look" of the army. If You will look at empire party from a distance, there will be some armoured guys, some flashy red and some black hats. It's usual party to me. When You will look at DE party, half of them will be bikini babes. This looks nice. But problem is that it should not look nice. And it should look less feminine. I'm ex L2 player, and I hoped that L2 situation will not repeat here. I was wrong. But again, there is nothing about the lore, only visual aspect of the game.

[The Penguin Hunter]

The L2 situation repeating here?

I havea question, what are you on.

Now with that said lets get down to things, Warhammer Age of Reckoning is built around the lore of the fantsy battle game Warhammer

This means that it needs to follow that setting to a big degree, so far it's been doing a good job generaly.

admitedly they could have chosen different classes for the dark elf Melee dps, but then agian their choices were still limited.

the assassin's problem was that it's a sneaky sneaky stab stab class, and the problem is
that, they said no on thoes types of classes.

the Corsair would have been ok, but it probably would have been just as good ranged dps, not only that, but there's the argument that there's nothing special about it except for the cape, and the type of unit it is on the TT. (from what we seen most of the classes they have used in game that are TT based are elite choices)

There is also the argument of what's iconic for the Dark Elves, and to but it simply Witch Elves are very iconic, they represent the Khaine worshiping side of DE society (admitedly not as much now due to the Deciple and all >.>)

Now we've seen Mythic make up classes before, but that was when they felt they were out of options, and the ones they had at hand didn't fit the iconic bill.

Now as for WAR turning into L2, it only seems that way if you look at the DE's which again they're slaneesh worshipers so they have the lore excuse, for the most part Mythic is doing an excelent job just look at any dwarf, Empire, Chaos Magus ect

[Gemini]

Game developers aren't gonna pick a class just because it's sexy, they were just talking up their class choices. The Witch Elf makes a great melee dps choice for numerous reasons.

Gets "exliers", which offer a unique mechanic (a temp buff followed by a debuff)
Gets poison, which none of the other melee dps gets
A very, very inonic piece of the Dark Elves and Warhammer Fantasy in general.
Offers insight into the Temple of Khaine, which is a huge part of Druchii society.
A much diffrent look than any of the other classes.

[Kellaris]

the assassin's problem was that it's a sneaky sneaky stab stab class, and the problem is
that, they said no on thoes types of classes.

And then, they have made WE a sneaky stab stab class.


Now as for WAR turning into L2, it only seems that way if you look at the DE's which again they're slaneesh worshipers so they have the lore excuse, for the most part Mythic is doing an excelent job just look at any dwarf, Empire, Chaos Magus ect

I know that the did a great job with lmost all races. And I know that From all 6 of them, DE have best options to use "bikini classes" (becouse of slaneeshi history). I know all of this, and I understand marketing reasons of why to have them.
But still, I'm a bit sad that it is DE that fall victim to this marketing. Even if I know that Mythic has no choice.
And when I talk about L2, I'm referring to DE only, becouse other races has "more realistic" dressing. Again, DE is victim to the marketing.
IMO, T&A aspect just do no fit to warhammer world. I it would be important to me as a player, I would play Age of Conan instead of WAR
At least, I'm very, very happy that they did not use any slaanesh worshipping classes. After introducing Disciple, I have fogave them WE. But still, I would be more happy if they will make some changes to the WE topic. Perhaps one class with two names (WE for girls and something other for guys) is too complicated. But it would be great if possible. This would leave WE "iconism" intact and it would give DE more balanced gender population. IMO.

[Gemini]

I know that the did a great job with lmost all races. And I know that From all 6 of them, DE have best options to use "bikini classes" (becouse of slaneeshi history). I know all of this, and I understand marketing reasons of why to have them.
But still, I'm a bit sad that it is DE that fall victim to this marketing. Even if I know that Mythic has no choice.
And when I talk about L2, I'm referring to DE only, becouse other races has "more realistic" dressing. Again, DE is victim to the marketing.
IMO, T&A aspect just do no fit to warhammer world. I it would be important to me as a player, I would play Age of Conan instead of WAR
At least, I'm very, very happy that they did not use any slaanesh worshipping classes. After introducing Disciple, I have fogave them WE. But still, I would be more happy if they will make some changes to the WE topic. Perhaps one class with two names (WE for girls and something other for guys) is too complicated. But it would be great if possible. This would leave WE "iconism" intact and it would give DE more balanced gender population. IMO.


I'm sorry, how does Mythic "not have a choice"? And it's not marketing, Mark and the other designers aren't stupid enough to pick a class just because it involves scantily clad women. As I said in my previous post, there are many reasons to pick the Witch Elf. Myself, I ususally hate it when female characters are dressed in bikini armor in MMOs (Guild Wars comes to mind), however, that is just part of the Witch Elf is.

This is a Warhammer game, and, in my opinion, having a DE race without Witch Elves is like having a Warhammer game without Orcs, it just shouldn't happen. It could happen, it could still be Warhammer, but it's just not the same.

As for the male/female class thing, there are really two ways it could go. It could be dual-gender but still the same class and completely destroy everything that makes a WE what it is, and same with the Assassin, or it could be two seperate classes, which then destroys Mythic's archetype system.

[Ralzar]

You missed his point, you aslo showed that you do not know where Dark Elf assassins come from.

What exactly is the point I missed? And I'm not seeing what the origin of Assassins have to do with my post.

Baradun said there wasn't male melee DPS "assassiny" Dark Elves in the lore.Drakhon said that he was mistaken and I linked the DE assassins.

[Kellaris]

I'm sorry, how does Mythic "not have a choice"? And it's not marketing, Mark and the other designers aren't stupid enough to pick a class just because it involves scantily clad women.

Not just becouse but mostly becouse. Check some Lepzig interviews. Jeff told that straight in some of them.



As I said in my previous post, there are many reasons to pick the Witch Elf. Myself, I ususally hate it when female characters are dressed in bikini armor in MMOs (Guild Wars comes to mind), however, that is just part of the Witch Elf is.

That is indisputable. I have never told that WE should dress in different way.



This is a Warhammer game, and, in my opinion, having a DE race without Witch Elves is like having a Warhammer game without Orcs, it just shouldn't happen. It could happen, it could still be Warhammer, but it's just not the same.

That is Your opinion. I have similiar feeling about Assasins and Executioners.



As for the male/female class thing, there are really two ways it could go. It could be dual-gender but still the same class and completely destroy everything that makes a WE what it is, and same with the Assassin, or it could be two seperate classes, which then destroys Mythic's archetype system.
This is exactly what I meant when I have told: "complicated".
And about destroying everything that makes a WE what it is, Warrior Priests and Dwarfes have survived this experiment. WE would survive it too.

[Black Razor]

This is exactly what I meant when I have told: "complicated".
And about destroying everything that makes a WE what it is, Warrior Priests and Dwarfes have survived this experiment. WE would survive it too.

It was never said anywhere that there are no female dwarfs .. just said they don't usually go to war. Warrior priests are not known as the Husbands of Sigmar, and in fact I still havnt seen anywhere in the books that it specifies they are a fraternal organization. Witch elves are specifically made a female only organization in the lore.. the Brides of Khaine. So to change that is to make a major alteration to their background. It would of been more akin to making the dwarfs plains loving farmers and the Warrior Priest a thief class... keep the name and change the rest... which doesn't work. If you want a dual wielding temple of khaine male .. hey look .. you already got one.. the acolyte. They have already trashed the Dark Elf lore enough .. let the Witch Elves stay as they are.

[Kellaris]

Witch elves are specifically made a female only organization in the lore.. the Brides of Khaine.

I have never told that they hould change that lore.
I suggest to read my posts before puting me into cauldron ;).

I have suggested different name for e males, and same mechanic.
Also, I have never said a word about dual wielding Khaine followers., so I'm not quit sure what are You refering to...

[Jojin]

I see lots of people making the assumption that the scantly clad character is just a marketing ploy. In most MMO's this tends to be the case as there is no practical reason, say for instance, bikini plate armor offers just as much protection as the male full counterpart. However, being the class is designed around the characters ability to be extremely agile to get into and out of battle quickly, abundant clothing would hinder this.

Now you might be thinking, "So why not just wear spandex to cover the skin?" Being the role they are cast in as being brides and such, there definitely some reasons to have skin showing. Plus the concept of covering one's body is something which varies from culture to culture. I mean some places women can show nothing but their eyes and others its common for them to run around naked, in either situation is it considered normal. There might even be some tactical thinking behind this as normally a woman isn't considered to be very threatening when it comes to war and some may be tricked into thinking they are weak, especially one which is portraying sexual qualities.

Just get over the choice of making a Female only Melee dps and trying to attack it. Instead be productive and speak towards adding additional Melee classes in the future which a male character can play.

[twinoceans]

I'm quite sure You are right. But still I have a feeling the female only sexy looking class is not a best choice for DE DPS class. Especially, afrter they clearly announced that they have chosen WE, becouse she is sexy (It have been told in several Leipzig interviews). I do not like it. I understand marketing reasons of this decision, but It is sad for me that my favourite Army/race become victim of "bikini marketing"



I'm not talking about the lore here. I'm talking more about the "look" of the army. If You will look at empire party from a distance, there will be some armoured guys, some flashy red and some black hats. It's usual party to me. When You will look at DE party, half of them will be bikini babes. This looks nice. But problem is that it should not look nice. And it should look less feminine. I'm ex L2 player, and I hoped that L2 situation will not repeat here. I was wrong. But again, there is nothing about the lore, only visual aspect of the game.
well, bikini is one of the reason. there's also many other reasons that other people in this forum already added.

i understand that you dont feel right seeing bunch of bikini running round in an army. i have nothing to say to this either, because you "feel," and feeling is a personal taste, so i respect that.

but the same can be said for dwarfs. we all know dwarfs in general are iconic for their heavily armoured soldiers (beside many other iconic things), however in this game, we'll be seeing bunch of dwarves wearing robes casting rune magic running around. first of all, as far as i know, dwarves only use rune magic to enscript their weapons; thats it. just imagine a person who's new to warhammer, doesn't really see the difference between rune magic and "normal" magic, he/she will definitely get a wrong vision about dwarves in warhammer fantasy. and i'm talking about look here.


i know this is really not a good example, i guess what i'm trying to say is that nothing can be perfect. a class choice will always have some draw back issue. to you, bikini is that issue. however, the WE, on the bright side, has many other reasons to be picked.

[Kellaris]

I see lots of people making the assumption that the scantly clad character is just a marketing ploy. In most MMO's this tends to be the case as there is no practical reason, say for instance, bikini plate armor offers just as much protection as the male full counterpart. However, ...............

I will say it again. Thrid time in this thread I think. I have never spoken a word against WE wearing bikini only. Never.


Just get over the choice of making a Female only Melee dps and trying to attack it. Instead be productive and speak towards adding additional Melee classes in the future which a male character can play.
I could, but this thread is not exactly about future expansions. So I just keep to the topic.


well, bikini is one of the reason. there's also many other reasons that other people in this forum already added.
...........
but the same can be said for dwarfs. we all know dwarfs in general are iconic for their heavily armoured soldiers (beside many other iconic things), however in this game, we'll be seeing bunch of dwarves wearing robes casting rune magic running around.
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i know this is really not a good example, i guess what i'm trying to say is that nothing can be perfect. a class choice will always have some draw back issue. to you, bikini is that issue. however, the WE, on the bright side, has many other reasons to be picked.
Don't get me wrong. I have had a bad thoughts about this game in the past, but BG and Disciple keep me optimistic at the moment. I still have hope that there are people in the world that will like the look of Sorceror and Sorceresses will not outnumber Sorcerors 10:1. WE are cool class and I belive that adding option suggested by OP, would make this class more popular and gender balance would be better. I'm quite sure that it will never happen. But it never hurts to say an opinion. Maybe someone is reading this;).

[twinoceans]

I will say it again. Thrid time in this thread I think. I have never spoken a word against WE wearing bikini only. Never.


I could, but this thread is not exactly about future expansions. So I just keep to the topic.



Don't get me wrong. I have had a bad thoughts about this game in the past, but BG and Disciple keep me optimistic at the moment. I still have hope that there are people in the world that will like the look of Sorceror and Sorceresses will not outnumber Sorcerors 10:1. WE are cool class and I belive that adding option suggested by OP, would make this class more popular and gender balance would be better. I'm quite sure that it will never happen. But it never hurts to say an opinion. Maybe someone is reading this;).
yeah, but if they add male version of WE, there gonna be a riot by the lore fans in general and a boycott by the DE fans in particular, a lawsuit case filed by GW. haha.

i can understand how you are able to suggest the idea of adding a male version to the WE as i take a risk by assuming that youre new to warhammer, because i have hard time imagining a warhammer fantasy long time fan would ever suggest the idea. its almost like taking the beards out of the dwarves. ;)

yes, youre definitely free to your opinion, but be careful, as many of the members of this fansite are very conservative.;)

[Kellaris]

i can understand how you are able to suggest the idea of adding a male version to the WE as i take a risk by assuming that youre new to warhammer, because i have hard time imagining a warhammer fantasy long time fan would ever suggest the idea. its almost like taking the beards out of the dwarves. ;)

Wrong guess I think.
About 10 years with WFRP and WFB and 6 Years wth DE TT army.8)




yes, youre definitely free to your opinion, but be careful, as many of the members of this fansite are very conservative.:wink:

I think It is not a matter of being conservative, but beiing narrowminded. It is suprising to me how hard for some people is to belive that there is something in Warhammer world that is not jet described in armybooks.
I'm DE fan And it is becouse of DE lore (and miniatures).
Then I'm not suggesting anything that breaks this lore. WE are WE and nothing can be done in that matter. They are most powerful and influential and numerous cult among the Druchii. But not the only one. We have Assasins, Disciples, partly rligious Executioners. So there can be many more, less important cults/cabals/monasteries.. What I say is not against the lore, so Conservetive DE fan cannot argue here. Narowminded fan can.
And if someone feel offended by term "narrowminded" - my apologies. I'm not a native speaker and this is best word I can find here.


Edit:
I just have found. Witch Elves only cannot use magic. So there is no problem with magic using priests / isciples / monks or anything..

[twinoceans]

Wrong guess I think.
About 10 years with WFRP and WFB and 6 Years wth DE TT army.8)




I think It is not a matter of being conservative, but beiing narrowminded. It is suprising to me how hard for some people is to belive that there is something in Warhammer world that is not jet described in armybooks.
I'm DE fan And it is becouse of DE lore (and miniatures).
Then I'm not suggesting anything that breaks this lore. WE are WE and nothing can be done in that matter. They are most powerful and influential and numerous cult among the Druchii. But not the only one. We have Assasins, Disciples, partly rligious Executioners. So there can be many more, less important cults/cabals/monasteries.. What I say is not against the lore, so Conservetive DE fan cannot argue here. Narowminded fan can.
And if someone feel offended by term "narrowminded" - my apologies. I'm not a native speaker and this is best word I can find here.


Edit:
I just have found. Witch Elves only cannot use magic. So there is no problem with magic using priests / isciples / monks or anything..
like i said; i have no problem if they add like a male dps class like assassin as the male counterpart of WE. i would like it much more as it gives more variety. however, this is an expensive take. i think you know this already, but just to make sure we understand each other here.