Zealot Abilities

[Nihil]

From what i know and what i have read so far, it makes it seem like zealots are only really capable of healing and buffing, leaning more towards buffing. I want to play a class that can mostly heal but also deal a good amount of damage if specced correctly. Something similar a shadowpriest in WoW. Would zealot be that class?
thanks

[Gemini]

Buffing? I'd say debuffing is our main focus along with healing. We do have some buffs, the Marks of Chaos are supposed to be pretty sweet, but I think the Zealot is the debuffer support class overall. All support classes will be able to do okay damage, but out of all of them I'd say if you want a damage/healing class, Zealot may be your worst choice. Hard to tell at this point for sure, of course.

If what you really want is damage and healing, I'd say the Shaman looks to be pretty good for that, and maybe the Archmage will be too.

[Kiminara]

yeah, the zealot definitely has a lot of debuffs, and a few buffs. there are a few damaging spells, from what I've seen, but I don't think it's what the zealot's main focus is.

[Nihil]

Ah ha, sorry for the mix up. I thought about the shaman, but i don't know if i could manage being a wee little goblin, who knows could be fun. Thanks for the input, i probabley still won't have any real clue until release, or if the gods bless me and i am allowed in beta.

[Phiphler]

Can you have more then 1 Ritual active at any given time? Because if you cant, then 1 Ritual is going to be your only real debuff, except the DoT and Harbinger (but Harbinger really ties into Rituals doesnt it).

Marks of Chaos are sweet stuff yes, and although I havent seen it mentioned, Im sure we wont be able to buff any target with more then 1 of them.

But mayby Im overanalysing, after all, we havent seen a complete spellist.

[viscanti]

I don't think Zealot is what you're looking for. The shadow priest was really a utility DPS class. And you needed to do damage to get much of the utility benefit (returned mana and health for group). The Zealot is a heal first (it's one of only 2 healers who don't need to do damage to be an effective healer) buff/debuff second, and then DoT third. As a direct healer, you will be expected to heal first.

Archmage might be what you're looking for. I'm not sure exactly how their mechanism works. But the problem you're run into with any of the WAR healers is that they all are capable of direct heals. That means that you won't be focusing on DPS and giving your group a utility benefit through that, but you will instead have to stop DPS'ing in order to heal, at least at times.

It seems to me that the Magus is the most "utility" oriented of the casters. But a lot of that utility is only usable by yourself. We'll have to wait and see how the archmage turns out, but right now I don't see a class that will play like the shadow priest. Which is sad, because it's a style of game play I enjoy.

[Vonja]

Ah ha, sorry for the mix up. I thought about the shaman, but i don't know if i could manage being a wee little goblin, who knows could be fun. Thanks for the input, i probabley still won't have any real clue until release, or if the gods bless me and i am allowed in beta.
I think you may want to check out the Dark Elve's Disciple.
They heal by dealing melle damage.

[Amarll]

I don't think Zealot is what you're looking for. The shadow priest was really a utility DPS class. And you needed to do damage to get much of the utility benefit (returned mana and health for group). The Zealot is a heal first (it's one of only 2 healers who don't need to do damage to be an effective healer) buff/debuff second, and then DoT third. As a direct healer, you will be expected to heal first.

Archmage might be what you're looking for. I'm not sure exactly how their mechanism works. But the problem you're run into with any of the WAR healers is that they all are capable of direct heals. That means that you won't be focusing on DPS and giving your group a utility benefit through that, but you will instead have to stop DPS'ing in order to heal, at least at times.

It seems to me that the Magus is the most "utility" oriented of the casters. But a lot of that utility is only usable by yourself. We'll have to wait and see how the archmage turns out, but right now I don't see a class that will play like the shadow priest. Which is sad, because it's a style of game play I enjoy.
He put it to the dot. Although I disagree with any class like the Shadowpriest because the Disciple will certainly do damage to heal/support. With the siphon lifes, DoTs that heal, etc.

[Nightz]

You decide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mZ9c75-9x8

[Leontes]

I don't think you can really base any true insight off of an RvR video from a convention where nobody heals.

Trust me, I played a Zealot at PAX. Damage was viable because nobody healed it.

[Nightz]

I don't think you can really base any true insight off of an RvR video from a convention where nobody heals.

Trust me, I played a Zealot at PAX. Damage was viable because nobody healed it.
I don't think you can disprove it. But dmg is possible as ive have stated.

Since no one thinks Zealot can Dps this may inspire me to roll one to heal and do dmg not only DPS but just to prove people wrong.

[Leontes]

I don't think you can disprove it. But dmg is possible as ive have stated.

Since no one thinks Zealot can Dps this may inspire me to roll one to heal and do dmg not only DPS but just to prove people wrong.

Who said they couldn't be viable damage dealers? I said an RvR video is completely inconclusive, and you're pretty much just watching a player, who is probably playing the class wrong, mindlessly nuking targets for very little damage in comparison to Magi and Bright Wizards.

You have to understand that it's possible that any class can do anything. But the fact remains that it's up to Mythic to make specs and playstyles viable, and if a damage specced Zealot isn't viable, or hell, if a damage specced Zealot doesn't even exist, then I think you're pretty much out of luck.

Nobody cares if they've promised us all "l33t dps". We know this is an MMO game and it's damn near always a bad idea to listen to the developer's intentions on how they want their classes to be played.

You're seriously assuming that they're going to have a skill set that's a combination of the Priest and Warlock from World of Warcraft or something, along with a full Shadow and Destruction trees to amplify them.

If they give you a Restoration, Holy, and Protection tree as a Zealot, and don't give you many damage spells, are you still going to try to be a beautiful snowflake and attempt to prove people wrong even though the class is entirely incapable of doing damage?

If that happens, have fun stabbing people with daggers.

People need to stop thinking we're all saying they can only heal. It's getting old.

[Arklinear]

Who said they couldn't be viable damage dealers? I said an RvR video is completely inconclusive, and you're pretty much just watching a player, who is probably playing the class wrong, mindlessly nuking targets for very little damage in comparison to Magi and Bright Wizards.

You have to understand that it's possible that any class can do anything. But the fact remains that it's up to Mythic to make specs and playstyles viable, and if a damage specced Zealot isn't viable, or hell, if a damage specced Zealot doesn't even exist, then I think you're pretty much out of luck.

Nobody cares if they've promised us all "l33t dps". We know this is an MMO game and it's damn near always a bad idea to listen to the developer's intentions on how they want their classes to be played.

You're seriously assuming that they're going to have a skill set that's a combination of the Priest and Warlock from World of Warcraft or something, along with a full Shadow and Destruction trees to amplify them.

If they give you a Restoration, Holy, and Protection tree as a Zealot, and don't give you many damage spells, are you still going to try to be a beautiful snowflake and attempt to prove people wrong even though the class is entirely incapable of doing damage?

If that happens, have fun stabbing people with daggers.

People need to stop thinking we're all saying they can only heal. It's getting old.

Might wanna change your sig then dude ;). hehe jk

[Nightz]

Who said they couldn't be viable damage dealers? I said an RvR video is completely inconclusive, and you're pretty much just watching a player, who is probably playing the class wrong, mindlessly nuking targets for very little damage in comparison to Magi and Bright Wizards.

You have to understand that it's possible that any class can do anything. But the fact remains that it's up to Mythic to make specs and playstyles viable, and if a damage specced Zealot isn't viable, or hell, if a damage specced Zealot doesn't even exist, then I think you're pretty much out of luck.

Nobody cares if they've promised us all "l33t dps". We know this is an MMO game and it's damn near always a bad idea to listen to the developer's intentions on how they want their classes to be played.

You're seriously assuming that they're going to have a skill set that's a combination of the Priest and Warlock from World of Warcraft or something, along with a full Shadow and Destruction trees to amplify them.

If they give you a Restoration, Holy, and Protection tree as a Zealot, and don't give you many damage spells, are you still going to try to be a beautiful snowflake and attempt to prove people wrong even though the class is entirely incapable of doing damage?

If that happens, have fun stabbing people with daggers.

People need to stop thinking we're all saying they can only heal. It's getting old.

Ok peace dude peace lets carry over the peace from the other thread lol ne ways all careers get offensive defensive and one other category that escapes my memory of morale abilities so they obviously can do some good dmg at 100% morale lol :p but ne ways if waht your saying is true all they can do is heal debuff and buff and they mine as well be in the back imo but thats just my thoughts

Plus they wont only give you support talent trees i bet it will be just like the morale abilities and trust me buddy they are not going to give them all healing spells use war-resource for a spell list :p

lets take this thread down a notch we need clamness now lets try some yoga to calm ourselves down hehe jk

[Vonja]

Everybody Chillax

[Nihil]

I was looking over the shaman vs zealot abilities, and it seems like the shaman abilites are WAY better than the zealot's. Granted alot of the zealots abilities are debuffs or buffs, the shaman has quite a few really good ones too, not too mention better damage abilities. From the listed abilities(which im sure will change alot) i sure hope they improve the buffs and debuffs of the zealots to make them really worth it.