Prude Sorceress

[Athenys]

Well, not really. But she is a little more in line with her male counterpart even though she's still showing skin. Now it's a sexy dress instead of a bikini top with a skirt. I also went ahead and made subtle changes to her face (among other things) so that she actually looks like a Warhammer elf:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/DEREDFEM.jpg

[Lucrece]

Hehe, nice tweaks.

[Frein]

Heh, at first I almost didn't notice the changes in the dress. It looks nice, but so does the original. I don't really care either way as to me both designs are equally sexy and good looking to the point where I question the necessity of this tweak. :P

[Dan gerous]

I cant say I really like it over the one currently.
The face looks like you just stretched it in photoshop liquify. You just added slight bits to the top and reduced the size of her breasts. These changes I cant even notice without comparing.
Keep them coming though. Sorry, just constructive criticism. :grin:

[Are'el]

I really don't care which face is more accurate, I kind of like the Mythic version better. As for the dress, it's too similar to even be making contrasting opinions. It actually looks like this one in some ways:

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/newsletter/2007_12/soccnl_10.jpg

[Athenys]

The face looks like you just stretched it in photoshop liquify.

It was hardly that easy ;).

I really don't care which face is more accurate, I kind of like the Mythic version better.

Because the truth is that people like yourself would prefer to see something that looks more like an attractive human female :rolleyes:. To me such uninformed opinions are ultimately irrelevant, if I am to stay true to the lore then they need to look elsewhere. Warhammer elves are a species distinct from humanity, one cannot pass for the other without the use of illusions or shapechanging magics. The art should reflect this simple fact as accurately as possible IMHO.

I dunno about those barbs digging into that poor Sorceress's sides. Can you imagine when she bends over? "Oops there goes her Pancreas...". Why aren't the Sorcerers into masochism as well? Do some people honestly believe that male DE don't do 'sexy'? Great, let's just forget about the likes of Isilvar while we are at it :p...

[Garthilk]

Honestly,

I loved the rendition. My wife saw the Dark Elf female artwork and wasn't that impressed by the amount of skin being shone. I know that lore is important, however, even with DAoC you didn't see this kind of skin. Oh well. Still, great addition as usual.

[spirit]

I like the facial changes, elves should always look more hollow boned and haughty like that. The dress is good, though not all that much more prudish than the original, but its still a good design.

Why aren't the Sorcerers into masochism as well?

Who says they aren't? The sorcerors just wear big robes to cover up all their bloodletting and scarification. Could be a big mess of nasty under all that.

[Arkane]

For some reason the one in the original post of this threads reminds me of Bam Margera's wife Missy.

[Vyndara]

I like the skin of Mythic's sorceresses a lot (the female form, female sexuality (both hetro and bi) and freedom are great for women to embrace and use in more bad- ways!) and I also really like your rendition, Athenys. I too, wondered about the pokey bits on Mythic's Sorceress.....what happens when she bends over. But I also wonder things like how Magi get to pee when they're strapped to a damn frisbee. I think if the DE females are into masochism that's okay but the spikes would have been better placed on their backs. I also liked the facial changes you made. Elves should look a bit more......elvish.

Anyway very nice.

[Slash]

I don't mind either way. The skin may offend some people, but when it comes down to it, its just a game. As long as it looks badarse I not overly worried if its a dress or a bikini suit.

[Tolak]

New here, just came over to Warhammer alliance via a link from only-war and quite frankly I loved this sight so much I decided to sign up.

Anyways, I like your tweeks to the sorceress robe more so than I like the face, but I still like the face better than that of mythics. Awsome job.

[ChosenOne]

New here, just came over to Warhammer alliance via a link from only-war and quite frankly I loved this sight so much I decided to sign up.

Anyways, I like your tweeks to the sorceress robe more so than I like the face, but I still like the face better than that of mythics. Awsome job.

You mean that admin of yours is actually allowing links from other fansites now? :lol:

[Tolak]

It was a brand new thread, admin must not have caught it before I got to it :)

[abr4]

Tbh I'd prefer even less skin being shown.

I hope there'll be alternative costumes ingame, with less belly and a nicer cleavage.

[Chielz0r]

I prefer the original.

[ChosenOne]

It was a brand new thread, admin must not have caught it before I got to it :)

Yeah I once got a very "nice" mail from the admin about linking from here to there. Since then I wont step foot on that forum, ever.

[Tom_Hobbes]

It was hardly that easy ;).



Because the truth is that people like yourself would prefer to see something that looks more like an attractive human female :rolleyes:. To me such uninformed opinions are ultimately irrelevant, if I am to stay true to the lore then they need to look elsewhere. Warhammer elves are a species distinct from humanity, one cannot pass for the other without the use of illusions or shapechanging magics. The art should reflect this simple fact as accurately as possible IMHO.

I dunno about those barbs digging into that poor Sorceress's sides. Can you imagine when she bends over? "Oops there goes her Pancreas...". Why aren't the Sorcerers into masochism as well? Do some people honestly believe that male DE don't do 'sexy'? Great, let's just forget about the likes of Isilvar while we are at it :p...

I support the head-shape change, primarily because I can make "why the long face?" jokes for like a straight year after release if they do that.

As for losing a pancreas... you just say that because you'd prefer something that looks more like a human exocrine gland.

[Zunjin]

Great tweaking. The face does look great. Your very inspiring btw. Good to see you make use of your skills for a idea you believe in.

[Lord Tareq]

I prefer the face of this one, more elf and less human. However I prefer as much skin shown as possible, so in that aspect I prefer the original.

[Dagoth]

I prefer the face of this one, more elf and less human. However I prefer as much skin shown as possible, so in that aspect I prefer the original.

Agreed.

You shouldn´t put more clothes in the sorceress, you should put less clothes in the sorceror.

[Dastion]

I wouldn't mind seeing a version with a slightly less elongated face, some sort of happy medium between what you are showing us and the original. That elongation might look fine if the picture was originally done for that length, but since it wasn't I think it skews it a bit. Otherwise, very good job with the changes, though she hardly looks prudish except compared to the original.

[Zzulu]

I prefer the original

[Lemures]

Less clothes... they can still do a lot with less. And also I like the more.. what you guys are calling "human" looking face. Though I completely disagree about this one looking more elf.

[Lord Tareq]

Less clothes... they can still do a lot with less. And also I like the more.. what you guys are calling "human" looking face. Though I completely disagree about this one looking more elf.

Well if you compare this face to that in official Warhammer artwork in the Armybook it is more Elfish.

[Lemures]

Well if you compare this face to that in official Warhammer artwork in the Armybook it is more Elfish.

Unfortunattly I don't have one of these books... Going more by what artwork I have seen for Warhammer and many other fantasy settings.

[Dyst]

Face-wise I'd like to see a kind of "middle road" between this one and the original artwork.

This one is just a little too long in my opinion.

[Slash]

Face-wise I'd like to see a kind of "middle road" between this one and the original artwork.

This one is just a little too long in my opinion.

I agree with this.

[Frein]

To be honest, I prefer the more human looking heads as well. I know the WH lore junkies would want to burn me on a stake but I dislike the ugly cone heads you find in original WH art.

[Zunjin]

To be honest, I prefer the more human looking heads as well. I know the WH lore junkies would want to burn me on a stake but I dislike the ugly cone heads you find in original WH art.

Its more a matter of feeling. The wh art elven heads look more alien which gives wh elves more characther in my opinion.

But on the flip side, does the actual ingame elf really look like the concept art ones so far?

[Kharlene]

Its more a matter of feeling. The wh art elven heads look more alien which gives wh elves more characther in my opinion.

But on the flip side, does the actual ingame elf really look like the concept art ones so far?

Pretty close to it, yes. :mrgreen:

[aegir]

the face is much, much, much better. Prolly close to perfect, even though i dunno what could maske it more perfect, so i'll keep it at perfect.
Uhm the dress, i like it better than the original tbh, it looks a bit more like an actual playable character :) very nice, very very nice!

[Sinfjotle]

I love the face. It looks a lot less "cute" and more like I'd imagine an elf would look. It sort of takes a direct comparison to really see the differences though besides the face.

(the female form, female sexuality (both hetro and bi)

...is there a difference between them? This comment is just weird. :confused:

[Lucrece]

...is there a difference between them? This comment is just weird. :confused:

Even weirder was the choice to bring in bisexuality and heterosexuality in association with female sexuality, but not homosexuality.:confused:

[Lord Tareq]

Even weirder was the choice to bring in bisexuality and heterosexuality in association with female sexuality, but not homosexuality.:confused:

Since the poster was talking about the sorceress, why should he mention males? Honestly you can't expect everyone to put a disclaimer under every post about female character they make saying "Disclaimer: Everything mentioned can/may also apply to their respective male counterparts"

[Xurré]

Since the poster was talking about the sorceress, why should he mention males? Honestly you can't expect everyone to put a disclaimer under every post about female character they make saying "Disclaimer: Everything mentioned can/may also apply to their respective male counterparts"
I know this is very off-topic, but I think what Lucrece was pointing out was that "female sexuality" also includes homosexuality. Nothing to do with males. Literally. :p


- Xurré

[Lord Tareq]

Yup I see, I misread when I wrote my previous post.

[Fat Otaku]

Meh. Dark Elf ladies are going to need us big strong Black Orcs for protection. We got da musclez and da teeth ta do it all.

[Kiyamvir]

I too appreciate the facial design alterations. I agree with an earlier reply, in respect to how "elves should always look more hollow boned and haughty" than humans. While the dress is nice, if not much different, I prefer the original version. Despite that, I do hope that one can opt in some way to further bundle up their sorceress. Just as I want options for the sorceress, I wish for the sorcerer to have the opportunity to show off some skin, should he so choose, as he so poorly mirrors the sorceress at this time, as far as sexuality is concerned.

[DaddysGirl]

Does anyone else get the Chyna Doll ((wrestler)) vibe?

The face looks almost exactly like her to me.

I prefer the original also... the more skin the better.

I would play naked if I could... whats the point of having tatas if one doesnt take advantage of them on the battlefield against primarily male adversaries?

[Lucrece]

I know this is very off-topic, but I think what Lucrece was pointing out was that "female sexuality" also includes homosexuality. Nothing to do with males. Literally. :p


- Xurré

You are correct; he "misread" and jumped the guns probably with some previous prejudices he had kept from unfinished conversations.

I get "misread" a lot these days.

[Estebar]

Because the truth is that people like yourself would prefer to see something that looks more like an attractive human female :rolleyes:. To me such uninformed opinions are ultimately irrelevant, if I am to stay true to the lore then they need to look elsewhere. Warhammer elves are a species distinct from humanity, one cannot pass for the other without the use of illusions or shapechanging magics. The art should reflect this simple fact as accurately as possible IMHO. When it comes to your average female Dark Elf, whether she's a Noble or a Warrior or a warrior of nobility, I'd agree with you. But, the Witch Elves and Sorceresses are supposed to look voluptuously beautiful. It's hard to look voluptuous with a gaunt Elf body with small breasts, slim hips and a hollowed-out cheeks. The Brides of Khaine and Malekith have to have a quality of enchanted (read: augmented) beauty about them. They also have to look appealing to the majority of males who play the game today, otherwise they might wonder why they're described as beautiful in the first place if they can't recognise it themselves.

I dunno about those barbs digging into that poor Sorceress's sides. Can you imagine when she bends over? "Oops there goes her Pancreas...". That is the way of Elves! Impractical attire for the sake of aesthetic appeal! :-P This Witch Elf (http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/gameInfo/armiesofWAR/DarkElves/Careers/images/WElfie_0907_06.jpg) has similar problems. "Whoops, dropped my knife! ...Ooooo, and there goes my liver."

Why aren't the Sorcerers into masochism as well? Do some people honestly believe that male DE don't do 'sexy'? They can't afford to do 'sexy'. Female Dark Elves who are married to the Witch King can practice as much nasty S&M on themselves as they like. Not only are they well-protected by the most powerful Dark Elf in Naggaroth, but they just tell suspicious on-lookers that they're practicing for their husband for later... ;)

I imagine the Sorcerors cover up in order to distance themselves from the suspicion of Slaanesh-worship as much as possible.

[Fat Otaku]

Dark Elves iz screwy. Too skinnyz. Need to eat moar meatz so dey can tink good.

[PersonalRiot]

Wot? Dey dun tink to gud. Dem need morz fightn' to getz bigga

[Fat Otaku]

Mm. Muzle help nogin tink good. Tink good so dat wez can swing swingy-swingy and stab staby-staby good.

[PersonalRiot]

Muzle for swingn' da choppa and tink gudz with muzle. Da git Elviez needz a gudz green boss to tougn' dem up.

[Lord Tareq]

I get "misread" a lot these days.

You? Really? How can it be? :razz:

[Lucrece]

You? Really? How can it be? :razz:

Must be a "some feminists" thing.;)

[Noli me Tangere]

Generally I don't mind if more skimpy options exist as long as there are more conservative, and equally viable (armor stats are equal, or just as good), armor options available. People have preferences, and more options is always preferable to less, and variety in those options (ie, outfit options that aren't limited to being glorified dental floss) is just as preferable.

EDIT: Because I can't type.

[Athenys]

But, the Witch Elves and Sorceresses are supposed to look voluptuously beautiful. It's hard to look voluptuous with a gaunt Elf body with small breasts, slim hips and a hollowed-out cheeks

That's by elf standards, which translates into a shapely runway model body type (think Gisele Bundchen vs. Twiggy). A voluptuous human woman would trump any elven woman in the curve department. Why? Because elves are naturally hypermetabolic they have a much lower percentage of body fat than the human average. They are incapable of gaining a lot of weight and what they do gain is mainly muscle. May I remind you that breasts are made almost entirely of fat and that combined with constant exercise is going to make them even smaller. If we were realistic and not catering to the lowest common denominator chances are you would never see any elf woman with anything above a C cup and that's pushing it. D+ size boobs are not in keeping with everything we know about elven constitution. As an aside WE are also described as possessing a 'cadaverous' beauty and one piece of fluff describes a WE's legs as being somewhat thin. In yet another story a HE catches a glimpse of en elven medallion that a human barmaid is wearing and regrets having to look directly at her cleavage because he finds that her breasts are too 'bold' and as such they are the "antithesis of elven beauty".

[Noli me Tangere]

That's by elf standards, which translates into a shapely runway model body type (think Gisele Bundchen vs. Twiggy). A voluptuous human woman would trump any elven woman in the curve department. Why? Because elves are naturally hypermetabolic they have a much lower percentage of body fat than the human average. They are incapable of gaining a lot of weight and what they do gain is mainly muscle. May I remind you that breasts are made almost entirely of fat and that combined with constant exercise is going to make them even smaller. If we were realistic and not catering to the lowest common denominator chances are you would never see any elf woman with anything above a C cup and that's pushing it. D+ size boobs are not in keeping with everything we know about elven constitution. As an aside WE are also described as possessing a 'cadaverous' beauty and one piece of fluff describes a WE's legs as being somewhat thin. In yet another story a HE catches a glimpse of en elven medallion that a human barmaid is wearing and regrets having to look directly at her cleavage because he finds that her breasts are too 'bold' and as such they are the "antithesis of elven beauty".

Also, in addition to that, it would be nice, just in general, even if not elves specifically, to have an MMO that didn't go the usual large endowments. Not that it really matters in the end, but.. seriously.. there are countless MMOs that show of their ability to render overly large breasts, and idiotically skimpy outfits on their female characters.

Still Mythic's not been nearly as bad about such things as some companies, so I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in such regards, or at least to give people sensible options, within reason, and within what's possible.

[Estebar]

That's by elf standards, which translates into a shapely runway model body type (think Gisele Bundchen vs. Twiggy). A voluptuous human woman would trump any elven woman in the curve department. Why? Because elves are naturally hypermetabolic they have a much lower percentage of body fat than the human average. They are incapable of gaining a lot of weight and what they do gain is mainly muscle. May I remind you that breasts are made almost entirely of fat and that combined with constant exercise is going to make them even smaller. If we were realistic and not catering to the lowest common denominator chances are you would never see any elf woman with anything above a C cup and that's pushing it. D+ size boobs are not in keeping with everything we know about elven constitution. Who says it has to be by Elf standards? Both Witch Elves and Sorceresses have had their beauty augmented by magic, which rules out any realistic laws of physiology you can throw at me. So far, there is no evidence saying that Witch Elves and Sorceresses aren't made to look attractive to the eye of the beholder. By a man of the Empire's standards, as in Renaissance standards, the men would see Gisele Bundchen and Twiggy as underfed, malnourished, probably diseased and born of peasantry. Curves are a sign of both erotica and wealth. Decadence is signified by food as much as it is by sex in the Renaissance period. So, the devs have gone for a look which blends voluptuousness with Elven aesthetics and I think they've done a good job. We are looking at these she-Elves from a human point of view, and it is from a human point of view that they seem more uniquely enchanting as all Elves are said to be somewhat disturbingly appealing to the eye. If Witch Elves and Sorceresses are supposed to look inviting to humans, and possess a unique quality of beauty which other Elves do not have, then their look has to adhere to that.

If you want natural Elven beauty, look to the High Elf maidens. The Druchii ladies are going to be too busy encased in spikey suits of armor or being augmented beyond their natural state by daemons and murder gods.

As an aside WE are also described as possessing a 'cadaverous' beauty and one piece of fluff describes a WE's legs as being somewhat thin. In yet another story a HE catches a glimpse of en elven medallion that a human barmaid is wearing and regrets having to look directly at her cleavage because he finds that her breasts are too 'bold' and as such they are the "antithesis of elven beauty" Cadaverous beauty could make reference to deathly pale milky skin, to contrast so vividly with the red blood they frequently stain themselves with. Milky skin was a quality of Renaissance beauty too. But I imagine it also being a Druchii quality of beauty, as it could represent a willful she-Elf braving the intense cold of Naggaroth yet still proudly bearing her tender flesh, tempting both blade and climate...as well as other things. ;)

But in any case, those examples you used are both presented from an Elven perspective, which is supposed to seem alien and unusual to us anyway. And that last one came from Abnett's abomination Gilead's Blood, in which he also made mention of the supposed existence of half-Elves lurking around the forests of the Empire. Never make a positive reference to that book in my presence again. :-P

[Xurré]

Both Witch Elves and Sorceresses have had their beauty augmented by magic
Says who? The references I’ve read seem to indicate that Witch Elves are chosen[i/] because of their superior beauty. I’ve seen no reference that their beauty is enhanced by magic (let alone have that magic alter their cup-size, which to be honest would only serve to make them [i]less attractive as far as I’m concerned).

And before you say “Cauldron of Blood”… the Cauldron make Witches younger, bringing them back to the point where they were the most beautiful. The unnatural process of doing so only adds to their beauty, but I never read that as it actually altering their physical shape to fit some arbitrary standard of “beauty is bigger breasts” (which seems to be what you’re suggesting).

Take a look at these official images:

Witch Elves (http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/artwork/images/big-9.jpg)
Cauldron of Blood (http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/artwork/images/big-11.jpg)
Morathi sketch (http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/extras/conceptart/images/morathiartlarge.jpg)
In none of those do they have large breasts; in fact I’d say that their chest size is relatively small (compared to most fantasy women). Note in particular that Morathi sketch (who is both a Sorceress and a Hag Queen). She’s generally considered one of the most beautiful woman in the world, certainly the most beautiful of all Witch Elves and Sorceresses. And she looks decidedly thin and skinny, with fairly small breasts. Just enough curves to make them beautiful and not enough to make them ugly again.

In short, I agree with Athenys. Heck, even if their beauty was magically augmented then I’d think that they’d augment it to be more pleasing to elves (which means that they’d be the ideal of what an elf could look like, not the ideal of some human males).

So far, there is no evidence saying that Witch Elves and Sorceresses aren't made to look attractive to the eye of the beholder.
There’s a thought; allow players to specify their own ideal cup-size so that all Sorceresses and Witch Elves look to have that cup-size on their screen (and their screen only). I don’t care if you make my Witch Elf look like she has a DD cup on your screen, as long as she has a pleasingly small size on mine; or something like that. :p


Blood, I can’t believe I’m getting myself dragged into a discussion on elf cup sizes. :|


- Xurré

[Estebar]

Says who? Blah blah blah Witch Elves ftw stab stab stab! Alright you! Back in your box! This conversation is mostly to do with Sorceresses. I just thought I'd bring Witch Elves into it for the hell of it. I knew you were going to jump on that as soon as I typed it out. :-P

And, for the record, the Keeper of Secrets (http://www.geocities.com/skaven_possessees/keeper_of_secrets.jpg) and Daemonettes (http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art08.jpg) of Slaanesh are supposed to be alluringly, enchantingly and disturbingly beautiful to the point that they alter themselves, gender and all, to meet your personal desire, and subsequently tempt the very soul out of your body, but that doesn't come across in the artwork either. I think there's a filter on computer screens which protects us from enchanted beauty. :-P

...and I'll argue with this more seriously when I log back on in a moment or two. ;)

[Xurré]

Alright you! Back in your box! This conversation is mostly to do with Sorceresses. I just thought I'd bring Witch Elves into it for the hell of it. I knew you were going to jump on that as soon as I typed it out. :-P
Maybe we should take that to the Witch Elf forum then. ;)


- Xurré

[Sinfjotle]

It may be a discussion about Sorceresses, but if Sorceresses are supposed to be beautiful and Witch Elves are chosen for their beauty, well... They have to fall in somewhat similar lines.

Also, anything above a C is just awkward on anyone under say... 5'8"? 5'10" maybe. Things should scale, dammit.

[Lucrece]

Alright you! Back in your box! This conversation is mostly to do with Sorceresses. I just thought I'd bring Witch Elves into it for the hell of it. I knew you were going to jump on that as soon as I typed it out. :-P

And, for the record, the Keeper of Secrets (http://www.geocities.com/skaven_possessees/keeper_of_secrets.jpg) and Daemonettes (http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art08.jpg) of Slaanesh are supposed to be alluringly, enchantingly and disturbingly beautiful to the point that they alter themselves, gender and all, to meet your personal desire, and subsequently tempt the very soul out of your body, but that doesn't come across in the artwork either. I think there's a filter on computer screens which protects us from enchanted beauty. :-P

...and I'll argue with this more seriously when I log back on in a moment or two. ;)

You drew the parallel, you are help prisoner to it ;p.

I must admit the quote alteration was pretty amusing and true to character, though.:o

[kharnage]

Your art is nice (You are exremly talented!), although I personally prefer Mythics.

Similar to your suggestion Xurre, I think it would be great if everyone could choose thier WE/Sorceresses Breast Size. Then everyone could do what they want and everyone should be happy.

I think Mythic has done an incredible job with the DE (Male and female).

[The Penguin Hunter]

Must be a "some feminists" thing.;)


Im going to agree with this very comical post just to add more salt on to the very comical wound XD

mind you in the most comical way immaginable

[kharnage]

Did you all see the sorceresses in the WAR Video of the month? They looked totally awesome!!!!!! And for those who fear skin they seemed more covered up also.

[Dan gerous]

Make the cup size small, people complain that it's against the warhammer law.
Make them big, people complain that it's against the warhammer law. I think people need to realize that there is nothing wrong with making them look attractive according to human standards. Neither is there anything wrong with making them look ugly.
In the end its a game. You don't like it, don't play the class.

[Xurré]

I think people need to realize that there is nothing wrong with making them look attractive according to human standards.
of course different humans have different standards and what one finds attractive another does not. As such there is no single standard of beauty.


- Xurré

[Axxar]

Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.

[Sinfjotle]

I was going to make this post about chubby chasers, but I think just mentioning it is more than enough to get my point across. Which really isn't my point, it's more strengthening Axxar's.

However, we have a standard for what Dark Elves consider beautiful and we should probably stick to that.

[kharnage]

However, we have a standard for what Dark Elves consider beautiful and we should probably stick to that.


I think Mythic has done a good job of that.

[Sinfjotle]

I dunno, when I see the sorceress face in the concept art I want to pinch it. It's just cute, round, teenage girly almost. It doesn't look stern or strong like I'd expect from someone in a war or thin and sharp like I'd expect from a warhammer elf.

Are they sprites like Snap Crackle and Pop or are they elves?

[Fat Otaku]

Meeb wuud tink dat biggur be bedda. Us Greenskins feel are always bedda da biggur weez. Meeb loike da Dark Elf'z wif da big chest.

[Dan gerous]

of course different humans have different standards and what one finds attractive another does not. As such there is no single standard of beauty.


- Xurré

That was not the point. I was talking elf standards vs human standards. Humans will be playing the game not elf's. Unfortunetly a lot of people wont be die hard fan boys, so they will appeal to them.

[Xurré]

That was not the point. I was talking elf standards vs human standards. Humans will be playing the game not elf's. Unfortunetly a lot of people wont be die hard fan boys, so they will appeal to them.
There is no singular "human standard" (and I doubt there's a singular "elf standard"). As such they should go with what makes sense for elves and not what makes sense for humans. After all, they're supposed to look like elves, not like humans.

In fact, I'd say that if the human 'standard' tends towards over-endowment then elves should tend towards under-endowment just to set them apart.


- Xurré

[Dan gerous]

There is no singular "human standard" (and I doubt there's a singular "elf standard"). As such they should go with what makes sense for elves and not what makes sense for humans. After all, they're supposed to look like elves, not like humans.

In fact, I'd say that if the human 'standard' tends towards over-endowment then elves should tend towards under-endowment just to set them apart.


- Xurré

Man, what is your point? All I am saying is it is okay either way, and that mythic has done a good job. You are the one insinuating that they have to be ONE way. Your indulging your own argument on 'standards'. If there is no singular human standard, then there shouldn't be a singular elf standard, therefore over-endowment should be fine, along with under-endowment.

[Xurré]

Man, what is your point? All I am saying is it is okay either way, and that mythic has done a good job. You are the one insinuating that they have to be ONE way. Your indulging your own argument on 'standards'. If there is no singular human standard, then there shouldn't be a singular elf standard, therefore over-endowment should be fine, along with under-endowment.
But that's my point... I'm not sure at all if it's "okay either way". It'd be okay if they offer both (though most developers seem to be too prudish to include a breast-size slider and I think WAR wasn't planning to have any sliders of any kind to begin with). Usually there's only one model and that's what you have to do with.

As such it shouldn't follow any "standards of beauty", but "averages of build suitable for the race in question". And the average for elves most certainly is not to have big breasts, but to have sooner smallish ones. If you only have one choice then the choice should reflect the racial average (because, for one, it would look silly to have every PC and NPC walk around decidedly above the average norm) and not some mis-guided human 'standard' (or elven 'standard') of beauty.


- Xurré

[Doc Lumbago]

well I like how that cute little vest thing is playing around her whips
It´s even more concentrating the eye on where she shows skin
The face is OK though I´d rather imagine their faces more grim and ravenous than elegant.
2 thumbs up, nice one, it´s not far from the original art so I guess you´ll find an expression of it in the game.

Saying this the original artwork is hangin next to my bed
NOT KIDDING

[Titus Legion]

Prude?! Well maybe. I can see a sorceress showing it all off, but not really going all the way with just any random corsair. :P

Personally I've never really been a fan of women in the those tops that cover the exterior sides of their boobs, and leave the space inbetween naked. Not really sure why but a more bikini style always seemed more attractive to me. Sooo.. hopefully that style exists with Dark Elf ladies!

My favourite is the idea of the little hooks digging into their skin, making them bleed a little. Really makes you wonder about the mind of the person that'd wear something like that... !

[Dyst]

I just can't stand the face you manipulated it into. The body I don't care about.

The face now looks anorexic and too "elegant", like maybe a high elf. There is a minor difference but I think honestly the original work looks better, it looks more cunning in a way.

Also, the boob thing. These days it seems to me curves are discouraged in women (not the other way around). I don't mind either way really, the body you made does fit to the face, but then again I find the face too skinny in a way.

[8igdave]

I like the improvements and think the face should look more like that. and am i the only one here who doesn;t understand why grown men want to talk about how sexy their elf outfits are or how sexy their character is? Yeah i like my character to look cool/badass/what ever but im not gona go perving on some elf trying to make them look as much like a slut as possible.