Concerns for population balance?

[Khaotik30]

I just posted this at the end of another thread which probably wont be seen by alot so I figured I'd start a new one.

I know alot of people are wanting to play the Slayer class, but it seems there is more interest in general for the Choppa class. Is this going to further imbalance the servers making Order even more of an underdog? On Dark Crag on busy days Fri, Sat, etc. The server pop for Order is Med(with the ocassional High), and Destro Full with a que to get in.

Just look at the Choppa forums they have a ton more threads and posts.

Hope my predictions are wrong. Anyone else share my concerns?

[Khaotik30]

Varkings post seems very compelling wish I had read it before making this post. Hopefully his predictions are correct with the appeal this class will have.

[Varking]

You have a valid concern. The Choppa does have its appeal. The reason this is a win-win for us though is because we lack melee dps as a whole on Order more than anything so any help is better than no help. As you pointed out, a server that is full on Destro is still going to be full but a medium Order server may turn into high, or it could remain medium but instead of having tons of tanks or ranged dps, now some of those guys are playing a front lines dps career, which will help out Order even more,

[Krazi]

I suspect some people will be like me and want a change of pace so might switch sides. I plan on shelving my destro toons a bit and doing some slayer fun

[Khaotik30]

Appreciate the replies.

[The Vig]

I believe that the Choppa and the Slayer will both have a rather large player base. As it stands now, mdps currently in the game seems largely gimmick driven. Stealth, lions, mutations all seem rather nichey to me (is that a word?). It seems like the Choppa and the Slayer will be much more straightforward, no need for colorful gimmicks in order to play. We will be able to run in and bust heads without worrying about excess hassle from our mechanic. Granted this is just my speculation, but if such is the case then I see both classes having a wide appeal.

[kashak]

I just posted this at the end of another thread which probably wont be seen by alot so I figured I'd start a new one.

I know alot of people are wanting to play the Slayer class, but it seems there is more interest in general for the Choppa class. Is this going to further imbalance the servers making Order even more of an underdog? On Dark Crag on busy days Fri, Sat, etc. The server pop for Order is Med(with the ocassional High), and Destro Full with a que to get in.

Just look at the Choppa forums they have a ton more threads and posts.

Hope my predictions are wrong. Anyone else share my concerns?

Is this a joke? There are 2 in my destro guild talking about maybe rolling a choppa. No others are interested. Everyone is talking about how cool slayers would be.

[Bloodytrailz]

definately a valid concern, and i have the same concern as well -.-;

last thing order needs is losing more players to destro going to roll choppa's (altho there is a bigger pool of destro players to come roll slayers if interested...who knows)

could work either way, really not all that predictable, if destro switches to destro class, it makes no difference in balance =p

[ButstonFreem]

As i see it there isn't much to post about atm until mythic releases new info. All the lore, controversy and such has already been discussed over and over and over during the last months while choppa threads where few and far between.
Really even i as a slayer supporter got tired of all the slayer threads ;)

[cultist122]

From what I've seen...it seems that slayers are wanted to be played by more people.

One reason is slayer is a special type of dwarf that goes into a rampage of unstoppable power (at least i think never looked at dwarf lore, the only one i haven't read) that also has tatoo's and mowhawks and huge beards. now the choppa is what... the foot soldier, just your average orc?

now i can't say im going to be a slayer....i want to be choppa (wanted to ever since it was announced as a class)

but who knows... one could be easier to play or just stronger, which pulls alot of people into playing it(yes i know their mirrors)

[Malester]

It all depends on how strong thoes classes will be, I hope it will be balanced so people would play Slayer just because they like it, first month probably everyone would try new classes and I'm sure that there will be more Slayers than Choppas, but later many players probably would go back to their mains, since MDPS is right now worst archetype in ORvR.

[Guznop]

I've only been paying attention to forums for about a week now. But i am very excited for the Slayer. I think population Balance may be an issue in the beginning, but there may be a lot of people who dont like the slayer and go to Choppa or back to their mains. So i think in the end it should work out.

[Glimred]

The Slayer is going to make me come back to the game, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one doing so.

[Aeywyn]

People who are expecting some uber dps class are going to be sorely disapointed.

They cant possibly make a class that has more dps then the witch elf, that's a given....

They could, and this is a bit of a stretch, make another class equal in damage output to the current witch elf, for Order to have some kind of balance.

But then that would make WL and WH completely pointless.

And would mythic really be stupid enough to compound the current WE problem by introducing 2 more classes that did stupid dmg?

And it would be 2, the general rule is that any destro class is slightly more effective then their order mirror. If the chopper is the slayer mirror, which is probably quite likely. There is absolutely no way that the chopper would do less dmg then a slayer.

So you would end up with 3 overpowered classes, 2 on destro 1 on order.

Far more likely WE's get toned down a bit and slayers / choppers have their own unique 'gimmic' that they will use to get kills...

Mythic held them back this long because they hadnt thought of a good enough gimmick, presumably if they are now moving ahead with these classes they have thought of something suitably unique and comparable to invisibility / pulling..


One possibility that i just thought of a second ago, is instead of having an archytype as a favorite target eg mellee dps vs squishies, ranged vs tanks.... the slayer / choppa could well have a race that are their best targets eg... slayers are very good at killing all greanskins / choppas very good at killing all elves or whatever... just a random idea.

It is hard to see how they could push ahead with a 3rd mellee dps class that just does more of the same squishy killing...

[Streetfighta]

The stealth and opener are what gives the bi*chelf their edge, without their opener they are strong but not obscenely overpowered.

I doubt the Slayer and Choppa will be overpowered even if they have obscene damage, they still need to get close....Marauder has charge, AoE KD, disorient, disrupt + KD and a pull....talk about CC for a MDPS but no one's complained overpower about them...because they still need to get close quarters to do all that, now bi*chelves don't have that problem.

[Dao Jones]

Very few people I know of are planning to leave Order to go roll a Choppa. I know several people who will be abandoning Destro to roll a Slayer. I actually think that the introduction of the Slayer will do more to balance populations than the Choppa will harm it. Consider if you will: people that wanted to play Destro melee already had the Marauder and Witch Elf to choose from. Order players were given the choice of the Witch Hunter (which is generally seen as a touch underpowered) or White Lion (which saddles you with a pet, and is not visually appealing). I know a lot of people that plan to ditch their Black Orcs for Choppas, but a lot fewer of the Ironbreakers I know "settled" for an IB because they couldn't get the Hammerer.

Pragmatically, it also does a lot more to help Order overall. As someone else said: Destro already has an overabundance of MDPS players. Order got a nice boost with the introduction of the Knight, and the Slayer is going to help level the field even more.

Ultimately, I think insane, orange-mohawked half-naked Dwarfs are going to attract a hell of a lot more players than "the guy that's less tough, and a few shades of green lighter than a Black Orc". Slayers are iconic. If it had been a Hammerer? Don't think it would have been half as popular.

[Streetfighta]

Very few people I know of are planning to leave Order to go roll a Choppa. I know several people who will be abandoning Destro to roll a Slayer. I actually think that the introduction of the Slayer will do more to balance populations than the Choppa will harm it. Consider if you will: people that wanted to play Destro melee already had the Marauder and Witch Elf to choose from. Order players were given the choice of the Witch Hunter (which is generally seen as a touch underpowered) or White Lion (which saddles you with a pet, and is not visually appealing). I know a lot of people that plan to ditch their Black Orcs for Choppas, but a lot fewer of the Ironbreakers I know "settled" for an IB because they couldn't get the Hammerer.

Pragmatically, it also does a lot more to help Order overall. As someone else said: Destro already has an overabundance of MDPS players. Order got a nice boost with the introduction of the Knight, and the Slayer is going to help level the field even more.

Ultimately, I think insane, orange-mohawked half-naked Dwarfs are going to attract a hell of a lot more players than "the guy that's less tough, and a few shades of green lighter than a Black Orc". Slayers are iconic. If it had been a Hammerer? Don't think it would have been half as popular.

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[mutt13]

I dont think it will unbalance the sides. I believe most of the people will just be rerolling one or the other as there main. I know there was alot of people wanting to play the choppa and went to black orc because of the looks. Im sure alot of those people will drop the orc and try the choppa out. I think you will see alot of wh and wl try the slayer.